krsna

by His Divine Grace Sri Srimad Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami Maharaja Prabhupada Sri Krsna manifests His eternal birth, the pure cognitive essence of the serving soul, who is located above all mundane limitations. King Kamsa is the typical aggressive empiricist, ever on the lookout for the appearance of the Truth for the purpose of suppressing Him before He has time to develop. This is no exaggeration of the real connotation of the consistent empiric position. The materialist has a natural repugnance for the transcendent. He is disposed to link that faith in the incomprehensible in the parent of dogmatism and hypocrisy in the guise of religion. He is also equally under the delusion that there is no real dividing line between the material and the spiritual. He is strengthened in his delusion by the interpretation of scriptures by persons who are like-minded with himself. This includes all the lexicographic interpreters. The lexicographical interpretation is upheld by Kamsa as the real scientific explanation of the scriptures, and is perfectly in keeping with his dread of--and aversion for--the transcendental. These lexicographical interpreters are employed by Kamsa in putting down the first suspected appearance of any genuine faith in the transcendental. King Kamsa knows very well that if the faith in the transcendental is once allowed to grow it is sure to upset all his empiric prospects. There is historical ground for such misgivings. Accordingly, if the empiric domination is to be preserved in tact, it would be necessary not to lose a moment to put down the transcendental heresy the instant it threatens to make its appearance in earnest. King Kamsa, acting on this traditional fear, is never slow to take the scientific precaution of deputing empiric teachers of the scriptures--backed by the resources of dictionary and grammar and all empiric subtleties--to put down, by the show of specious arguments based on hypothetical principles, the true interpretation of the eternal religion revealed by the scriptures. Kamsa is strongly persuaded that faith in the transcendental can be effectively put down by empiricism if prompt and decisive measures are adopted at the very outset. He attributes the failure of atheism in the past to the neglect of the adoption of such measures before the theistic fallacy has had time to spread among the fanatical masses. But Kamsa is found to count without his host. When Krsna is born He is found to be able to upset all sinister designs against those who are apprised by Himself of His advent. The apparently causeless faith displayed by persons--irrespective of age, sex, and condition--may confound all rabid empiricists who are, on principle, adverse to the Absolute Truth, Whose appearance is utterly incompatible with the domination of empiricism. But no adverse efforts of the empiricists--whose rule seems, till then, to be perfectly well-established over the minds of the deluded souls of this world--can dissuade any person from exclusively in following the Truth when He actually manifests His birth in the pure cognitive essence of the soul. Putana is the slayer of all infants. The baby, when he or she comes out of the mother's womb, falls at once into the hands of the pseudo-teachers of religion. These teachers are successful in forestalling the attempts of the Good Preceptor, whose help is never sought by the atheists of this world at the baptisms of their babies. This is ensured by the arrangements of all established churches of the world. They have been successful only in supplying watchful Putanas for effecting the spiritual destruction of persons, from the moment of their birth, with the cooperation of their worldly parents. No human contrivance can prevent these Putanas from obtaining possession of the pulpits. This is due to the general prevalence of atheistic disposition in the people of this world. The church that has the best chance of survival in this damned world is that of atheism under the convenient guise of theism. The churches have always proved the staunchest upholders of the grossest form of worldliness, from which even the worst of non-ecclesiastical criminals are found to recoil. It is not from any deliberate opposition to the ordained clergy that these observations are made. The original purpose of the established churches of the world may not always be objectionable, but no stable religious arrangement for instructing the masses has yet been successful. The Supreme Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, in pursuance of the teachings of the scriptures, enjoins all absence of conventionalism for the teachers of the eternal religion. It does not follow that the mechanical adoption of the unconventional life by any person will make him a fit teacher of religion. Regulation is necessary for controlling the inherent worldliness of conditional souls. But no mechanical regulation has any value, even for such a purpose. The bona fide teacher of religion is neither any product of, nor the favorer of, any mechanical system. In his hands, no system has likewise, the chance of degenerating into a lifeless arrangement. The mere pursuit of fixed doctrines and fixed liturgies cannot hold a person to the true spirit of doctrine or liturgy. The idea of an organized church, in an intelligible form, indeed marks the close of the living spiritual movement. The great ecclesiastical establishments are the dikes and the dams to retain the current that cannot be held by any such contrivances. They, indeed, indicate a desire on the part of the masses to exploit a spiritual movement for their own purpose. They also unmistakably indicate the end of the absolute and unconventional guidance of the bona fide spiritual teacher. The people of this world understand preventive systems; they have no idea at all of the unprevented positive eternal life. Neither can there be any earthy contrivance for the permanent preservation of the life eternal on this mundane plane on the popular scale. Those are, therefore, greatly mistaken who are disposed to look forward to the amelioration of the worldly state--in any worldly sense--from the worldly success of any really spiritual movement. It is these worldly expectants who become the patrons of the mischievous race of the pseudo-teachers of religion, the Putanas, whose congenial function is to stifle the theistic disposition at the very moment of its suspected appearance. But the real theistic disposition can never be stifled by the efforts of those Putanas. The Putanas have power only over the atheist. It is a thankless, but salutary, task which they perform for the benefit of their unwilling victims. But as soon as theistic disposition proper makes its appearance in the pure cognitive essence of the awakened soul, the Putanas are decisively silenced at the very earliest stage of their encounter with new-born Krsna. The would-be slayer is herself slain. This is the reward of the negative services that the Putanas unwittingly render to the cause of theism by strangling all hypocritical demonstrations against their own hypocrisy. But Putana does not at all like to receive her reward in only form which involves the total destruction of her wrong personality. King Kamsa also does not like to lose the services of the most trusted of his agents. The effective silencing of the whole race of pseudo-teachers of religion is the first clear indication of the appearance of the Absolute on the mundane plane. The bona fide teacher of the Absolute heralds the Advent of Krsna by his uncompromising campaign against the pseudo-teachers of religion.

isvarah paramah krsnah sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah anadir adir govindah sarva-karana-karanam isvarah--the controller; paramah--supreme; krsnah--Lord Krsna; sat--comprising eternal existence; cit--absolute knowledge; ananda--and absolute bliss; vigrahah--whose form, anadih--without beginning; adih--the origin; govindah--Lord Govinda; sarva-karana-karanam--the cause of all causes. TRANSLATION Krsna who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes. PURPORT Krsna is the exalted Supreme entity having His eternal name, eternal form, eternal attribution and eternal pastimes. The very name "Krsna implies His love-attracting designation, expressing by His eternal nomenclature the acme of entity. His eternal beautiful heavenly blue-tinged body glowing with the intensity of ever-existing knowledge has a flute in both His hands. As His inconceivable spiritual energy is all-extending, still He maintains His all-charming medium size by His qualifying spiritual instrumentals. His all-accommodating supreme subjectivity is nicely manifested in His eternal form. The concentrated alltime presence, uncovered knowledge and inebriating felicity have their beauty in Him. The mundane manifestive portion of His own Self is known as all-pervading Paramatma, Isvara (Superior Lord) or Visnu (All-fostering). Hence it is evident that Krsna is sole Supreme Godhead. His unrivaled or unique spiritual body of super excellent charm is eternally unveiled with innumerable spiritual instrumentals (senses) and unreckonable attributes keeping their signifying location properly, adjusting at the same time by His inconceivable conciliative powers. This beautiful spiritual figure is identical with Krsna and the spiritual entity of Krsna is identical with His own figure. The very intensely blended entity of eternal presence of felicitous cognition is the charming targeted holding or transcendental icon. It follows that the conception of the indistinguishable formless magnitude (Brahman) which is an indolent, lax, presentment of cognitive bliss is merely a penumbra of intensely blended glow of the three concomitants, viz., the blissful, the substantive and the cognitive. This transcendental manifestive icon Krsna in His original face is primordial background of magnitudinal infinite Brahman and of the all-pervasive oversoul. Krsna as truly visioned in His variegated pastimes, such as owner of transcendental cows, chief of cowherds, consort of milk-maids, ruler of the terrestrial abode Gokula and object of worship by transcendental residents of Goloka beauties, is Govinda. He is the root cause of all causes who are the predominating and predominated agents of the universe. The glance of His projected fractional portion in the sacred originating water viz., the personal oversoul or Paramatma, gives rise to a secondary potency -- nature who creates this mundane universe. This oversoul's intermediate energy brings forth the individual souls analogously to the emanated rays of the sun. This book is a treatise of Krsna; so the preamble is enacted by chanting His name in the beginning. (Sri Brahma-Samhita, His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura)

Pandava Vijaya Das, expanded by bh. Jan Acts 2:21 And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Acts 9:14,21 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call upon Your name. And all who heard him were amazed and said, Is this not the one who ravaged those who call upon this name in Jerusalem and came here for this, that he might bring them bound before the chief priests? Acts 22:16 And now, why do you delay? Rise up and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on His name. Romans 10:12-13 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same [Lord is] Lord of all [and] rich to all who call upon Him; For “whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” 1 Corinthians 1:2 To the church of God which is in Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, the called saints, with all those who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place, who is theirs and ours: 1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking in the Spirit of God says, Jesus is accursed; and no one can say, Jesus is Lord! except in the Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 2:22 But flee youthful lusts, and pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. Sankirtana (congregational glorification of God with musical instruments): Samuel II 6:5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals. Chronicles I 13:8 And David and all Israel played before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets. Chronicles I 15:16 And David spake to the chief of the Levites to appoint their brethren to be the singers with instruments of music, psalteries and harps and cymbals, sounding, by lifting up the voice with joy. Chronicles I 15:19 So the singers, Heman, Asaph, and Ethan, were appointed to sound with cymbals of brass; Chronicles I 15:20 And Zechariah, and Aziel, and Shemiramoth, and Jehiel, and Unni, and Eliab, and Maaseiah, and Benaiah, with psalteries on Alamoth; Chronicles I 15:21 And Mattithiah, and Elipheleh, and Mikneiah, and Obededom, and Jeiel, and Azaziah, with harps on the Sheminith to excel. Chronicles I 15:22 And Chenaniah, chief of the Levites, was for song: he instructed about the song, because he was skilful. Chronicles I 15:28 Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, and with sound of the cornet, and with trumpets, and with cymbals, making a noise with psalteries and harps. Chronicles I 16:5 Asaph the chief, and next to him Zechariah, Jeiel, and Shemiramoth, and Jehiel, and Mattithiah, and Eliab, and Benaiah, and Obededom: and Jeiel with psalteries and with harps; but Asaph made a sound with cymbals; Chronicles I 16:42 And with them Heman and Jeduthun with trumpets and cymbals for those that should make a sound, and with musical instruments of God. And the sons of Jeduthun were porters. Chronicles I 25:6 All these were under the hands of their father for song in the house of the LORD, with cymbals, psalteries, and harps, for the service of the house of God, according to the king’s order to Asaph, Jeduthun, and Heman. Chronicles I 25:7 So the number of them, with their brethren that were instructed in the songs of the LORD, even all that were cunning, was two hundred fourscore and eight. Chronicles II 5:12 Also the Levites which were the singers, all of them of Asaph, of Heman, of Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, being arrayed in white linen, having cymbals and psalteries and harps, stood at the east end of the altar, and with them an hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets:) Chronicles II 5:13 It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD; Chronicles II 29:25 And he set the Levites in the house of the LORD with cymbals, with psalteries, and with harps, according to the commandment of David, and of Gad the king’s seer, and Nathan the prophet: for so was the commandment of the LORD by his prophets. Chronicles II 29:26 And the Levites stood with the instruments of David, and the priests with the trumpets. Chronicles II 29:27 And Hezekiah commanded to offer the burnt offering upon the altar. And when the burnt offering began, the song of the LORD began also with the trumpets, and with the instruments ordained by David king of Israel. Chronicles II 29:28 And all the congregation worshipped, and the singers sang, and the trumpeters sounded: and all this continued until the burnt offering was finished. Chronicles II 29:29 And when they had made an end of offering, the king and all that were present with him bowed themselves, and worshipped. Ezra 3:10 And when the builders laid the foundation of the temple of the LORD, they set the priests in their apparel with trumpets, and the Levites the sons of Asaph with cymbals, to praise the LORD, after the ordinance of David king of Israel. Ezra 3:11 And they sang together by course in praising and giving thanks unto the LORD; because he is good, for his mercy endureth for ever toward Israel. And all the people shouted with a great shout, when they praised the LORD, because the foundation of the house of the LORD was laid. Nehemiah 12:27 And at the dedication of the wall of Jerusalem they sought the Levites out of all their places, to bring them to Jerusalem, to keep the dedication with gladness, both with thanksgivings, and with singing, with cymbals, psalteries, and with harps. Psalm 50:15 Call upon Me in the day of trouble; I shall rescue you, and you will glorify Me. Psalm 91:15 He will call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will rescue him and honor him. Psalm 150:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power. 2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness. 3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp. 4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. 5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. 6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD The purpose of calling on the Lord: (1) To be saved - Romans 10:13 For “whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” (2) To be rescued from distress - Psalm 118:5 From [my] distress I called upon the LORD; The LORD answered me [and] [set me] in a large place. (3) To be rescued from trouble - Psalm 81:7 You called in trouble and I rescued you; I answered you in the hiding place of thunder; I proved you at the waters of Meribah. Selah. (4) To be rescued from sorrow and pain - Psalm 116:3-4 The cords of death encompassed me and the terrors of Sheol came upon me; I found distress and sorrow. Then I called upon the name of the LORD: “O LORD, I beseech You, save my life!” (5) To participate in the Lord’s mercy - Psalm 86:5 For You, Lord, are good, and ready to forgive, and abundant in mercy to all who call upon You. (6) To delight oneself in God - Job 27:10 Will he take delight in the Almighty? Will he call on God at all times? (7) To partake of the Lord’s salvation - Psalm 116:13 I shall lift up the cup of salvation and call upon the name of the LORD. (8) To breathe the Lord - Lamentations 3:55-56 I called on Your name, O LORD, Out of the lowest pit. You have heard my voice, “Do not hide Your ear from my breathing, From my cry for help.” (9) To drink from the fountain of God’s salvation - Isaiah 12:3-4 Therefore you will joyously draw water from the springs of salvation. And in that day you will say, “Praise the LORD, call on His name. Make known His deeds among the peoples; Make [them] remember that His name is exalted.” (10) To drink the spiritual water and to eat the spiritual food for satisfaction - Isaiah 55:1,6 Ho! Every one who thirsts, come to the waters; And you who have no money come, buy and eat. Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost. Seek the LORD while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near. (11) To enjoy the riches of the Lord - Romans 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same [Lord is] Lord of all [and] rich to all who call upon Him; (12) To enjoy the nearness of the Lord - Psalm 145:18 The LORD is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth. (13) To stir up ourselves to take hold of the Lord - Isaiah 64:7 There is no one who calls on Your name, who stirs up himself to take hold of You; For You have hidden Your face from us and have delivered us into the power of our iniquities. (14) To receive the Spirit - Acts 2:17,21 And it shall be in the last days, says God, that I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream things in dreams; And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. How to call on the Lord: (1) Out of a pure heart - 2 Timothy 2:22 But flee youthful lusts, and pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. (2) With a pure lip - Zephaniah 3:9 For then I will give to the peoples purified lips, That all of them may call on the name of the LORD, To serve Him shoulder to shoulder. (3) With an open mouth - Psalm 81:7 You called in trouble and I rescued you; I answered you in the hiding place of thunder; I proved you at the waters of Meribah. Selah. 10 I, the LORD, am your God, Who brought you up from the land of Egypt; Open your mouth wide and I will fill it. (4) Corporately - 2 Timothy 2:22 But flee youthful lusts, and pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. (5) Daily - Psalm 88:9 My eye has wasted away because of affliction; I have called upon You every day, O LORD; I have spread out my hands to You. (6) As long as we live - Psalm 116:2 Because He has inclined His ear to me, therefore I shall call [upon Him] as long as I live.

Clifford Orwin, in a timely piece in The Public Interest, writes about the disestablishment of religion in America and why it happened. Some of the trends Orwin mentions seem to be prominent among ISKCON's members, including the infatuation with psychotherapy: ". . .within the pastoral realm, the discourse of psychotherapy and personal fulfillment appears to have established itself as thoroughly in the mainline churches as in the lay world. Those who are looking for something different in church than is on offer outside it are increasingly less likely to find it there. Each of these denominations has by now alienated its more traditionalist members, especially during these recent decades of increasing cultural polarization, and many have voted with their feet." (Orwin, Clifford. "The Unravelling of Christianity in America." Spring 2004. The Public Interest. 18 Dec 2005 <http://thepublicinterest.com/archives/2004spring/article2.html>) Orwin's perspective is well thought out and worth reading, as it is a perspective on religion in America many of us devotees are probably unaware of. More importantly, the trends he discussus also affect us.

Bombay, March 31, 1974 Prabhupada: So this is the process. If you want to know God -- Krsna means God -- then this is the process. What is that? Mayy asakta. Dr. Patel: Mayy asakta-manah. Prabhupada: Mayy asakta. Dr. Patel: Mayy asakta-manah partha... Mr. Sar: Yogam yunjan mad-asrayah. Prabhupada: This is yoga practice also. Yoga. Yoga means to concentrate the mind on a subject matter. So we should meditate upon Krsna. Mayy asakta. Then gradually you'll increase your attachment for Krsna. And that is the perfection of life. The perfection of life, the symbol is in Vrndavana. Because all the inhabitants of Vrndavana, they were very, very, much attached to Krsna. Mr. Sar: Attached to Krsna were. Prabhupada: The cowherd boys, the girls, the elderly persons, the trees, the flowers, the land, the birds, the beasts, the cows-their center was Krsna. So we have to follow their footprints, how to... We have got already attachment. Mr. Sar: Yes. Yogam yunjan mad-asrayah. Prabhupada: No, attachment we have got for material things. That we have to transfer. This is yoga practice. Mr. Sar: That is yoga practice. Correct. Prabhupada: Yes. Yoga indriya-samyamah. Yoga, the... I think it is Patanjali sutra. Guest (1): Yoga citta bhuti yoga. (?) Prabhupada: Yes. Citta bhuti... Guest (1): Yoga citta bhuti nirodha. Prabhupada: Nirodha. So our activities are now materially centered -- how to satisfy the senses. All these so-called improvements, material improvements, means how to satisfy the senses. So this asaktih, attachment, for material sense gratification... Guest (2): Has to be transferred. Prabhupada: To Krsna. Yes. Mayy asakta-manah partha. This is yoga. This is bhakti-yoga. Mr. Sar: It is said, jnanam te sa-vijnanam. Prabhupada: But it can be done mad-asrayah. Asrayah, to take shelter. "Taking shelter of Krsna," you can make this meaning or mad-asrayah means "one who has taken shelter of Krsna." Mr. Sar: Krsna. Correct. Correct. That is correct. Guest (1): Mad-asrayah means asrayah. Prabhupada: Either you... Directly it is not possible to take shelter of Krsna. Therefore mad-asrayah means "one who has taken shelter of Me." That is parampara system. You take shelter of Him. Then the result will be asamsayah. Passerby: Hello. Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. Asamsayah means at the present moment... Guest (1): Without any doubts. Prabhupada: No... People are in doubt whether there is God, or "If there is God, He might have died by this time." So there are so many... (laughs) Yes. When I first went to U.S.A., the theory was "God is dead." But when I began to speak, they realized, "No, God is not dead. God is with Swamiji." They wrote. They wrote articles. So asamsayam... Mr. Sar: Samagram mam. From all aspects. Prabhupada: From all aspects. Yatha jnasyasi tac chrnu. So Krsna is speaking about Himself. We can speculate about God. That way we'll never be successful. Because we have got limited senses. Therefore you hear from Krsna about Krsna. This is called bhakti-yoga. Mr. Sar: And He wants to tell the jnanam te 'ham sa-vijnanam [bg. 7.2]. "What I have realized, I tell you." Prabhupada: No, not realized! Guest (1): Experienced. Prabhupada: Sa-vijnanam, how it can be practically applied. Mr. Sar: Yes, how it can be practically applied. Prabhupada: Not that he has realized. He's God. He's already realized. Guest (1): Sa-vijnanam means... Dr. Patel: Matter of knowing, application. Mr. Sar: Application. Prabhupada: Practical. Mr. Sar: Practical application. Prabhupada: Just like practical science. If you want to pass B.A. examination, you have to appear for theoretical and practical, both. Dr. Patel: Theory and practice both. Prabhupada: Yes. So this bhakti-yoga means to know God, at the same time, practically employ yourself in the service of God, or in the transaction between God and yourself. That is vijnanam. Sa-vijnanam. Guest (1): What is the distinction between jnana and vijnana? Prabhupada: Jnana means theoretical knowledge, and vijnana means practical knowledge. Simply to know "God is great," that is not sufficient. Guest (1): No, that is theoretical. Prabhupada: Yes, that is theoretical. You must know how great He is. That we have to learn from the sastras, from the guru, how great He is. Just like in the Brahma-samhita, Vedic, yato va imani bhutani jayante. He's the source of all material elements. In Him everything stays, and after annihilation, everything goes into Him. This is one understanding. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). Mr. Sar: Eko bahunam vidadhati kaman. Prabhupada: In this way, from Vedas, from guru, from saintly persons, we have to understand. Sadhu guru sastra vakya. Sadhu means who speaks strictly on the sastra. Guru also speaks strictly on sastra. Sastra is the medium. Yah sastra-vidhim utsrjya vartate kama-karatah, na siddhim avapno... [bg. 16.23]. Therefore we protest. Unless there is something mentioned in the authorized sastras we don't accept it. Guest (1): Is it nityah anityanam or nityah nityanam? Prabhupada: Nityo nityanam. Plural number. Dr. Patel: Plural, yes. Guest (1): No, no, that's right. Prabhupada: Plural number. Guest (1): Permanent. Permanent, impermanent. Prabhupada: Both of them permanent. No, no, no. Permanent... The jivas and the Supreme Lord, both of them are permanent, nitya. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire [bg. 2.20]. Just like nityah sasvato 'yam. It is said in the Bhagavad-gita, nityah sasvato 'yam. Eternal, always existing. And this material word has been described: asasvatah. Duhkhalayam asasvatah. Dr. Patel: Asasvatam. Prabhupada: Asas... It is not permanent. Bhutva bhutva praliyate [bg. 8.19]. It appears and disappears. So because nityo nityanam, there is transaction between the nitya, the Supreme Nitya, Krsna, and the... Dr. Patel: Cetanas cetananam. Prabhupada: And the subordinate nityas, the living entities. So there must be one place also where this transaction takes place. Because this is anitya. This material world is anitya. So how the transaction between the nitya and nityanam can take place? Because the place is anitya. Therefore there must be a place which is nitya. There must be place. That is Vaikuntha dhama, spiritual world. So by practicing bhakti-yoga scientifically, by practical understanding, practical application, yogam yunjan mad-asrayah, either at the shelter... Mr. Sar: Anyaj jnatam neha bhuyo... Prabhupada: Eh? Mr. Sar: Anyaj jnatam avasisyate. Prabhupada: Ah. Then anyaj jnatavyam. No. Then you become perfect. No more knowledge. Mr. Sar: No more knowledge is required. Prabhupada: Yes, knowledge is perfect. Mr. Sar: Final Prabhupada: Final, yes. Prabhupada: Yasmin vijnate sarvam etam vijnatam bhavanti. This is also Upanisad. Yasmin vijnate. If you simply understand Krsna, then sarvam eva vijnatam bhavanti. Then you have got full knowledge. And that is also stated in the Fourth Chapter. Janma karma me divyam yo janati tattvatah, tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti... [bg. 4.9]. He becomes immediately liberated. Simply if you understand Krsna, what is Krsna, tattvatah, in truth, then you are, your business is finished. Mr. Sar: Manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye [bg. 7.3]. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Yatatam api siddhanam kascin mam vetti tattvatah [bg. 7.3]. Prabhupada: Yes, to understand Krsna is not so easy job. First of all, so many millions and millions of living entities are there. They are not interested. They are just like animals: "Eat, drink, be merry and enjoy." Nobody's interested what is the success of life, siddhi. They do not know. They think, "If I..." Now, especially in this age, if you can eat sumptuously then it is siddhi, all siddhi. Yes. Udaram bharita, svartham udaram bharita. That just we see people are so lazy. If they can eat their daily food some way or other, begging, borrowing and stealing, just like animals... Dr. Patel: They have got udara-sisnu-parayanah. Prabhupada: Parayanah. So they think, "Now my day's business is finished. Now I have eaten." And daksyam kutumba-bharanam. And if one man can maintain a family of four, five, men, "Oh, he's Maharaja Daksa." Maharaja Daksa, you know? He was a great personality. He was performing yajnas. So this is Kali-yuga. Even they will not be able to maintain a wife, a few children. There is no shelter. I have seen in, all these things in western countries. They have no fixed up. Just like animals. The animal also loitering in the street or in the jungle; they are loitering in a great jungle, a great city. That's all. Mr. Sar: Yatatam api siddhanam kascin mam vetti tattvatah [bg. 7.3]. Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore the Mayavadis cannot understand. Although they have come to the point of siddha, still they cannot understand. Yatatam api siddhanam [bg. 7.3]. They are siddhas because they have understood that "I am not this body, aham brahmasmi." This much they have understood. But still they cannot understand Krsna. Yatatam api siddhanam [bg. 7.3]. Although they are trying... Dr. Patel: Kascin mam vetti tattvatah. Prabhupada: Ah, tattvatah. They do not know. They say,"Krsna is nirakara." God is nirakara. "I am as good as God." These theories, encumbrous theories... because they do not know. Yatatam api siddhanam [bg. 7.3]. Dr. Patel: Kascin mam vetti... Mr. Sar: Bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh... Prabhupada: So when one has come to this knowledge perfectly, that "I am not this body, I am spirit soul, aham brahmasmi," that is brahma-bhuta stage. So, so after brahma-bhuta [sB 4.30.20] stage, there are so many other things. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati, samah sarvesu bhutesu [bg. 18.54]. Dr. Patel: Samah sarvesu bhutesu. Prabhupada: These bhutesu. Mr. Sar: Mad-bhaktim labhate param. Prabhupada: Then he comes to the bhakti-yoga. Not that only daridra-narayana-seva, not dhani-narayana-seva. Dr. Patel: You came out with that. Prabhupada: No, no that is, that is the deficiency. If daridra is Narayana, why not the dhani? Dr. Patel: Again, we are not (indistinct). Prabhupada: No, no, we have to accept. Samah sarvesu bhutesu. A devotee is equal. Either he's daridra-narayana or dhani-narayana. Mr. Sar: Dhani-narayana, yes. Prabhupada: It is not that... Mr. Sar: Both are equal. Prabhupada: Both are equal. Mr. Sar: Either poor or rich. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Devotee's equal, whether poor or rich. Prabhupada: That is samah sarvesu bhutesu. Why there should be distinction? Mr. Sar: bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh kham mano buddhir eva ca ahankara itiyam me bhinna prakrtir astadha [bg. 7.4] Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: Astadha, that's the lower prakrti of God. Prabhupada: Yes, so now the study, first study, begins from material point of view: Wherefrom the sky came? How the sky came into existence? First of all sky. Then, from sky, there is sound. Then, from sound there is air. From air, there is... Along with these creations... the sky creation means the air creation also, the reception of the sound. So in this way it is all described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam very nicely, how creation took place. Then, ultimately, we come to the land, where all the qualities of other elements are there. There is sound. There is touch. There is vision. There is smell. Everything is there. So... And the subtle matters. Mind, citta, intelligence, then buddh... intelligence. Then false ego. This is... At the present moment, everyone is thinking in the bodily concept of life: "I am American.I am Indian.I am brahmana.I am ksatriya." This is false ego. He's not, neither of them. Because he's spirit soul, a different identity. So these, how the subtle mind, intelligence, are working, one should know. How transmigration of the soul takes place? By the action of mind, intelligence and ego. They do not know. There is no such science. There are so many universities all over the world. But who is studying all these things? The psychologists, they have studied a little more about thinking, feeling and willing. That's all. But they do not know how he is working, how he is carrying the subtle soul to other body. That they do not know. Mr. Sar: Apareyam itas tu... Guest (2): Why do you not explain that? Prabhupada: Eh? Guest (2): Why do you not explain that about subtle being carried forward? Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: That is going to come now. Prabhupada: Subtle body... Just like your body at night is on the bed, but you are carried by the thinking, feeling, intelligence to somewhere else. Is it not? So how are you are carried? You are actually lying on the bed. (aside:) Hare Krsna. It is carried by the subtle body. Similarly, death means that this body stops working. But the subtle mind... Exactly in the same way. Just as while you are sleeping this gross body has stopped to work, but the subtle body is working. Dr. Patel: That is in, I mean, svapna. Prabhupada: Svapna, yes. Dr. Patel: But that does not work in deep sleep. Prabhupada: Eh? Dr. Patel: In deep sleep it does not work, no? Prabhupada: This sleep means temporary. Again the subtle mind, intelligence, come back. So death means no more coming back. It goes elsewhere. That is death. Is it clear? Eh? Lilavati: How is it possible to forget? Prabhupada: Eh? Lilavati: The subtle body... Prabhupada: Yes, you forget. (aside:) Hare Krsna. Jayo. You forget. When you dream, you forget that you have got this gross body and you are the father of such and such or mother of such and such. Dr. Patel: Because this is all due to mind only. Prabhupada: Yes. The mind, mind forgets. The subtle body works. Similarly, we are dying daily. That is also death. Dr. Patel: Nitya pralaya. Prabhupada: Nitya pralaya. But... When... Now, because the body is fit, therefore we come again to enjoy with the body, ksetra. We come to the ksetra. Just like you are tilling some land, but when it becomes useless, you cannot till. You have to go elsewhere. Suppose it is overflooded. You cannot work there. Similarly, death means when the mind, intelligence, along with the soul, cannot work in this body, he has to go to some other body. Tatha dehantara-praptih [bg. 2.13]. Dehantara-praptih. Dr. Patel: That is when the prarabdhah... Prabhupada: Yes, that will be decided by the prarabdhah and everything. So in this way, death means this gross body, no more working. That's all. Dr. Patel: Subtle body lives always. Prabhupada: No. Dr. Patel: Till, till it is, I mean, liquidated from the maya's clutches and... Prabhupada: Yes. Till... Dr. Patel: ...comes into the Goloka with Krsna. Prabhupada: Yes. The vita-raga. When you, when you are completely freed from all attachment of this material world, then tyaktva deham punar janma naiti [bg. 4.9]. Dr. Patel: Mam eti. Prabhupada: Mam eti. Mr. Sar: Yada sarve prabhur jante kamani manah sasvatah. Prabhupada: Yes. Then you do not come again. Mam eti. You go back to home, back to Godhead. Mr. Sar: Apareyam itas tv anyam prakrtim viddhi me param, jiva-bhutam maha-baho... [bg. 7.5]. Prabhupada: (Aside) Hare Krsna. Mr. Sar: ...yayedam dharyate jagat. Prabhupada: Jaya. Dr. Patel: That is consciousness, the consciousness... Prabhupada: Eh? Dr. Patel: The apara prakrti. This is... Prabhupada: No, no, no. Dr. Patel: Para-prakrti. Prabhupada: Not consciousness. Consciousness is also matter. Consciousness... Dr. Patel: There are two prakrtis. Prabhupada: Prakrti... That prakrti's soul. That prakrti is soul, para-prakrti. Dr. Patel: Para-prakrti, yes. Prabhupada: Soul is also prakrti. Soul is not purusa. The Mayavadis, they consider soul as purusa. But it is spoken in the Bhagavad-gita as prakrti. Prakrti... Jiva-bhutam maha-baho [bg. 7.5]. Jiva-bhuta, the soul which is now covered with this material body is called jiva-bhuta. Mr. Sar: Apareyam itas tv anyat. Prabhupada: So therefore it is decided that both these material elements and the soul, both of them are prakrtis. One is superior; another is inferior. Dr. Patel: Apara prakrti is soul. Mr. Sar: No, no,... Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Apara is matter. Prabhupada: Matter, yes. Dr. Patel: The para... Mr. Sar: The para is the soul. Prabhupada: Para is the soul. Mr. Sar: Jiva-bhutam maha-baho. That is also prakrti word. Dr. Patel: Yayedam dharyate jagat [bg. 7.5]. Prabhupada: And... No, no. What is the...? What is the proof of the soul? Now, yayedam dharyate jagat. One who is working with this inferior energy. Just like I am working with this body. Dr. Patel: It animates the inferior energy. Prabhupada: Eh? Dr. Patel: It animates the inferior prakrti. Prabhupada: Yes, working, working. One is the worker, and another is the working ingredient, prakrti. Dr. Patel: Yayedam dharyate jagat. Prabhupada: Jagat. Because... Dr. Patel: That means the jagat is being held by that. Prabhupada: Yes. Because... This Bombay city is important because there are so many para-prakrtis. If there was no living entity, who cares for the Bombay city? Dr. Patel: So living entity is the para-prakrti. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Oh, living entity is the para-prakrti. Prabhupada: Para. But prakrti. But it is prakrti. It is not purusa. Therefore this prakrti is trying to become purusa here. That is illusion. Dr. Patel: Or, or people calling prakrti as purusa is Mayavada. Prabhupada: Eh? No, no. Prakrti, jiva, yayedam dharyate ja... They are working... They are trying to enjoy. But... They are trying to be enjoyer. But that is not possible. Prakrti is enjoyed. Just like stri-purusa. Purusa is enjoyer, and stri is enjoyed. Similarly, prakrti is used for the satisfaction of the purusa. So if the jiva is prakrti, then the purusa, purusa is the Supreme Person. Therefore his business is to satisfy the Supreme Purusa. This is bhakti-yoga. Guest (1): Then, then isn't it sankhya? Prabhupada: Yes, it is sankhya. Dr. Patel: Prakrti trying to satisfy purusa is a sankhya philosophy. Prabhupada: Yes, yes. This is sankhya. This is sankhya philosophy. Mr. Sar: Jiva is the prakrti. Prabhupada: Prakrti. Mr. Sar: Oh, jiva is prakrti. Ah. Prabhupada: And the Mayavadi philosophy, they say it is purusa. Therefore... Therefore avisuddha-buddhayah. The Mayavadis, Mayavadis are described as avisuddha-buddhayah. Dr. Patel: Buddha was also an avatara of Krsna. Prabhupada: Oh... And in Bhagavad-gita it is also said, abuddhayah. What is that sloka? Mr. Sar: Abuddhayah. Prabhupada: Manyante mam abuddhayah. Mr. Sar: Abuddhayah. Prabhupada: Avyaktam vyaktim apannam ma... Mr. Sar: Manyante mam abuddhayah, param... Prabhupada: Abuddhayah. So these Mayavadis are abuddhayah. They are not intelligent. Mr. Sar: No intelligence. Prabhupada: And in Bhagavata it is said, avisuddha-buddhayah. The plural number is there, avisuddha, that "intelligence is not yet clear." Avisuddha. Avisuddha-buddhayah. Ye 'nye 'ravindaksa vimukta-maninah. But they are thinking that they have become liberated. Now you call... They address amongst themselves, "Narayana.Narayana." Mr. Sar: etad yonini bhutani sarvanity upadharaya aham krtsnasya jagatah prabhavah pralayas tatha Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: They are two yoni. Prabhupada: Now, etad yonini, all kinds of species or forms of life, or whatever you see, they are simply combination of this para-prakrti and apara-prakrti. But both the prakrtis coming from Krsna, janmadyasya yatah, He is the actual, actual cause of everything. Mr. Sar: Aham krtsnasya jagatah prabhavah... Prabhupada: Ah. Prabhavah pralayas tatha. But prabhavah, prabhavah, as Brahma, creation, as Visnu, maintenance, as Siva, dissolution. Mr. Sar: Destroyer. Prabhupada: But Krsna is the original cause of Brahma, Visnu... Aham adir hi devanam [bg 10.2]. Aham adir hi devanam. Dr. Patel: So He is, in a way, all the three. Mr. Sar: He's all the three. Yes, He's all the three. Prabhupada: Yes, He's not only three, He's many. Mr. Sar: And above them, and above them, and above them. Prabhupada: He's many. Eko bahu syama. Not three. But in the material world that three may be the beginning. But there are many. Mr. Sar: Eko bahu syama. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Eko bahu syam. Aham krtsnasya jagatah prabhavah pralayas tatha. Mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya [bg. 7.7]. Prabhupada: Ah. Now... Because He's the ultimate cause, therefore no more superior than Him. Dr. Patel: "Nothing beyond Me." Prabhupada: "Nothing beyond Me." Mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya [bg. 7.7]. Mr. Sar: Mayi sarvam idam protam sutre mani-gana iva. Prabhupada: Yes. (aside) Hare Krsna. Thank you. Because He's the original cause, therefore everything is depending on Him. That is explained in the Ninth Chapter, I think. maya tatam idam sarvam jagad avyakta... The avyakta-murti also He is. That is another feature, another feature. But maya, the central feature is the person, Krsna. Mr. Sar: Raso 'ham apsu kaunteya prabhasmi sasi-suryayoh, pranavah sarva-vedesu... [bg. 7.8] Prabhupada: Now, those who cannot realize the supreme cause, they are instructed how to realize. How to realize... If, while drinking water, you think, "Now this taste is Krsna," raso 'ham apsu kaunteya. He says that "I am the taste of the water." So everyone is drinking water. There is no man who does not drink water. At least. So if he remembers, "Now, the taste, this taste is Krsna," then he remembers Krsna. And that is bhakti. Sravanam kirtanam visnoh smaranam [sB 7.5.23]. Even by remembering, he becomes a devotee, gradually. Mr. Sar: Prabhasmi sasi-suryayoh. Prabhupada: Yes. And even if you cannot understand this, that how the taste of the water becomes Krsna, all right, you see the sunlight. You inquire, "Wherefrom the light is coming?" Then you come to Krsna. And if you are not foolish, ordinary person, if you are Vedantist, then try, "the omkara, Myself." Om tad visnoh paramam padam... He's learned. He's thinking, "Nirakara.No, I am. Pranavah, the omkara, the beginning of all Vedic mantras, the omkara, that I am." Dr. Patel: Pranavah sarva-bhut... Mr. Sar: Sarva-vedesu. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Sabdah khe paurusam nrsu. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Sabdah khe. Prabhupada: And... Yes. Sabdah khe. In the sky. So in the sky there is sabdah. As the aeroplane goes, there is sabdah, (makes imitative sound) guraguraguragura... He can remember Krsna. Is it very difficult? You see. Bhakti-yoga, how nice it is! When the aeroplane is passing, there is guragura sabdah, you find Krsna. When you are tasting water, you find Krsna. When there is sunlight, you find Krsna. When there is moonlight, you find... When you're chanting Vedas, you find Krsna. So how you can be without Krsna consciousness? It is simply foolishness that it cannot be done. No. The how it can be done, that Krsna personally is teaching. Learn it. And do it. Mr. Sar: Punyo gandhah prthivyam ca... Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Tejas casmi vibhavasau. Prabhupada: There are two kinds of smell, bad smell and good smell. So when you smell a nice flower, punya-gandhah, you remember Krsna. "Here is Krsna. Here is Krsna." Punyo-gandhah prthivyam ca. Mr. Sar: Tejas casmi vibhavasau. Prabhupada: When we, when you find vibhutimat sattvam, a very powerful man, a powerful elephant, you should, you know that "There is Krsna. This power is Krsna." Dr. Patel: This is standard nyaya. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: yad yad vibhutimat sattvam srimad urjitam eva va tat tad evavagaccha tvam mama tejo-'msa-sambhavam Prabhupada: So where is the difficulty to understand Krsna? (laughs) Every moment you can remember Krsna. Every moment you can see Krsna, provided you have got eyes. Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti [bs. 5.38]. Santah. So you have to become a santah, perfect santa. Then you'll see Krsna always. Mr. Sar: Jivanam sarva-bhutesu tapas casmi tapasvisu. Dr. Patel: The very life of every individual is Krsna. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: Jivanam sarva-bhutesu. Prabhupada: Yes. So without Krsna, as soon as... So long the Paramatma is there... Or the jiva is there... Jiva is also Krsna. Because part and parcel of Krsna, acintya-bhedabheda. So so long Krsna is there, either as atma or Paramatma, then the body's moving. But the so-called scientists, they do not know. Therefore they do not understand what is Krsna. Dr. Patel: Scientists have started understanding Krsna. Prabhupada: They are standing? Dr. Patel: They have started understanding Krsna now. Scientists. Prabhupada: Now, here is the... This is very simple. A child can understand. Here is a dead body, and here is a living body. What is the difference? That Krsna is not there, and here is Krsna. That's all. Dr. Patel: That is what I say... Prabhupada: Yes. But these rascal scientists will not understand this. Dr. Patel: Einstein? Prabhupada: No, yes. They have no... They are, they are... I know one scientist, a rascal scientist. He has written one "Chemical Evolution." Guest (1): Yes. Dr. Patel: Litleus. (?) Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: Article came. I read it. Prabhupada: Yes. "Chemical evolution.From chemical life has come." Just see. And he has got Nobel Prize. Dr. Patel: That is the Russians. Mr. Sar: Is it? Dr. Patel: No, that man has not got the Nobel Prize. Prabhupada: Oh yes. I know. In California University he was there. So one of, one of my students, he's also professor in the... Dr. Svarupa Damodara. He challenged that "Suppose if I give you the chemicals, can you produce life?" That time he said, "That I cannot say." From that day, his meeting was not attended by the students. Yes. He theoretically said that "From chemicals life has come into existence." Dr. Patel: As a matter of fact... Prabhupada: No. Dr. Patel: ...life keeps the chemicals together. As soon as the life goes away, the chemicals dissolve. Prabhupada: Dissolve, yes. As a medical practitioner, you know. Where is chemical? Where is chemical? That is a fact. Dr. Patel: Always fact. Mr. Sar: So still we are researching it. Prabhupada: No... Dr. Patel: There is no research... Prabhupada: That is... But when the fact is there, what is the use of your researching? When the fact is already there, what is the use of your so-called researching? Guest (3): How can we see Krsna? Prabhupada: That is being explained. Mr. Sar: bijam mam sarva-bhutanam viddhi partha sanatanam buddhir buddhimatam asmi tejas tejasvinam aham [bg. 7.10] Prabhupada: Now, that is explained that prabhasmi sasi-suryayoh. Sasi means moon, and surya means sun. Prabha. So as soon as in the morning you see the sunshine, there you see Krsna. Dr. Patel: "I am the very light of sun and moon." Prabhupada: Why do you say, "I don't see Krsna"? Krsna says, "I am here, that, as prabhasmi sasi-suryayoh," But why don't you see? Guest (3): God is there. But we want to see original form of Lord Krsna. Prabhupada: No, no, no. That will take three millions of years to understand. (laughter) That is already explained. Manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye, yatatam api siddhanam [bg. 7.3]. That is not so easy. Dr. Patel: Mam vetthi tattvatah. Guest (3): What is the method of seeing God? Prabhupada: Here, bhakti-yoga. That is, that is, that is the beginning. mayy asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan mad-asrayah asamsayam samagram mam yatha jnasyasi tac chrnu [bg. 7.1] That is being explained. Mr. Sar: No, my doubt is that some people must have become siddha in this age also, must have seen Krsna. Guest: Oh yes. Why not? Prabhupada: No, no. Yatatam api siddhanam [bg. 7.3]. Even siddhas cannot see. Mr. Sar: Yatatam api. But then there must be somebody of the siddhas... Prabhupada: Means... Those siddhas were satisfied, "Now I have become Brahman." Mr. Sar: No, not those siddhas, satisfied. Prabhupada: And still, after that, brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati samah sarvesu bhutesu mad-bhaktim labhate param [bg. 18.54] One is engaged in bhakti. They also, after many, many years, will understand what is Krsna. Mr. Sar: But in this age there must be some people... Prabhupada: There is always. Not in this age or that age. Mr. Sar: Every, every, every... Prabhupada: Everywhere, every age. Mr. Sar: Then you must have seen Krsna in the human form. Prabhupada: I, uh... Mr. Sar: That is the divine form. Prabhupada: So... Mr. Sar: Sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah [bs. 5.1]. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: Sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah is the real vigrahah of Krsna form [bs. 5.1]. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: Krsna, when viewed on the earth, He had that form. Prabhupada: No, just like... Dr. Patel: That sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah form [bs. 5.1]. Prabhupada: ...a devotee sees the Deity of Krsna. Dr. Patel: Come here. Sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah is the real form of Krsna [bs. 5.1]. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: If you can understand it beyond the five senses of us. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: You cannot see with the karma eyes or hear him with these ears. You have to go beyond. Prabhupada: No, you can see. Just like with cataract eyes you cannot see. But if the cataract is removed, you can see. So similarly, to see Krsna you have to develop attachment for Krsna. Mayy asakta-manah, yogam yunjan mad-asrayah. So you have to be free from the cataract. Then you'll see. Dr. Patel: Cataract is the cataract of maya. False illusion. Prabhupada: Yes. So that means... Dr. Patel: Am I right? Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore you have to purify your eyes by bhakti-yoga operation. And then you'll see. With stick. With stick. Dr. Patel: You see, you have to actually condition yourself to, I mean, receive... [break] Prabhupada: ...confirmed in Brahma-samhita. Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena [bs. 5.38]. Bhakti-vilocanena. Santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti. Those who have become santa and those whose eyes are smeared with love of Godhead, they see every moment Krsna. They do not see anything but Krsna. .... >>> Ref. VedaBase => Morning Walk -- March 31, 1974, Bombay

Bombay, March 31, 1974 Prabhupada: So this is the process. If you want to know God -- Krsna means God -- then this is the process. What is that? Mayy asakta. Dr. Patel: Mayy asakta-manah. Prabhupada: Mayy asakta. Dr. Patel: Mayy asakta-manah partha... Mr. Sar: Yogam yunjan mad-asrayah. Prabhupada: This is yoga practice also. Yoga. Yoga means to concentrate the mind on a subject matter. So we should meditate upon Krsna. Mayy asakta. Then gradually you'll increase your attachment for Krsna. And that is the perfection of life. The perfection of life, the symbol is in Vrndavana. Because all the inhabitants of Vrndavana, they were very, very, much attached to Krsna. Mr. Sar: Attached to Krsna were. Prabhupada: The cowherd boys, the girls, the elderly persons, the trees, the flowers, the land, the birds, the beasts, the cows-their center was Krsna. So we have to follow their footprints, how to... We have got already attachment. Mr. Sar: Yes. Yogam yunjan mad-asrayah. Prabhupada: No, attachment we have got for material things. That we have to transfer. This is yoga practice. Mr. Sar: That is yoga practice. Correct. Prabhupada: Yes. Yoga indriya-samyamah. Yoga, the... I think it is Patanjali sutra. Guest (1): Yoga citta bhuti yoga. (?) Prabhupada: Yes. Citta bhuti... Guest (1): Yoga citta bhuti nirodha. Prabhupada: Nirodha. So our activities are now materially centered -- how to satisfy the senses. All these so-called improvements, material improvements, means how to satisfy the senses. So this asaktih, attachment, for material sense gratification... Guest (2): Has to be transferred. Prabhupada: To Krsna. Yes. Mayy asakta-manah partha. This is yoga. This is bhakti-yoga. Mr. Sar: It is said, jnanam te sa-vijnanam. Prabhupada: But it can be done mad-asrayah. Asrayah, to take shelter. "Taking shelter of Krsna," you can make this meaning or mad-asrayah means "one who has taken shelter of Krsna." Mr. Sar: Krsna. Correct. Correct. That is correct. Guest (1): Mad-asrayah means asrayah. Prabhupada: Either you... Directly it is not possible to take shelter of Krsna. Therefore mad-asrayah means "one who has taken shelter of Me." That is parampara system. You take shelter of Him. Then the result will be asamsayah. Passerby: Hello. Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. Asamsayah means at the present moment... Guest (1): Without any doubts. Prabhupada: No... People are in doubt whether there is God, or "If there is God, He might have died by this time." So there are so many... (laughs) Yes. When I first went to U.S.A., the theory was "God is dead." But when I began to speak, they realized, "No, God is not dead. God is with Swamiji." They wrote. They wrote articles. So asamsayam... Mr. Sar: Samagram mam. From all aspects. Prabhupada: From all aspects. Yatha jnasyasi tac chrnu. So Krsna is speaking about Himself. We can speculate about God. That way we'll never be successful. Because we have got limited senses. Therefore you hear from Krsna about Krsna. This is called bhakti-yoga. Mr. Sar: And He wants to tell the jnanam te 'ham sa-vijnanam [bg. 7.2]. "What I have realized, I tell you." Prabhupada: No, not realized! Guest (1): Experienced. Prabhupada: Sa-vijnanam, how it can be practically applied. Mr. Sar: Yes, how it can be practically applied. Prabhupada: Not that he has realized. He's God. He's already realized. Guest (1): Sa-vijnanam means... Dr. Patel: Matter of knowing, application. Mr. Sar: Application. Prabhupada: Practical. Mr. Sar: Practical application. Prabhupada: Just like practical science. If you want to pass B.A. examination, you have to appear for theoretical and practical, both. Dr. Patel: Theory and practice both. Prabhupada: Yes. So this bhakti-yoga means to know God, at the same time, practically employ yourself in the service of God, or in the transaction between God and yourself. That is vijnanam. Sa-vijnanam. Guest (1): What is the distinction between jnana and vijnana? Prabhupada: Jnana means theoretical knowledge, and vijnana means practical knowledge. Simply to know "God is great," that is not sufficient. Guest (1): No, that is theoretical. Prabhupada: Yes, that is theoretical. You must know how great He is. That we have to learn from the sastras, from the guru, how great He is. Just like in the Brahma-samhita, Vedic, yato va imani bhutani jayante. He's the source of all material elements. In Him everything stays, and after annihilation, everything goes into Him. This is one understanding. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). Mr. Sar: Eko bahunam vidadhati kaman. Prabhupada: In this way, from Vedas, from guru, from saintly persons, we have to understand. Sadhu guru sastra vakya. Sadhu means who speaks strictly on the sastra. Guru also speaks strictly on sastra. Sastra is the medium. Yah sastra-vidhim utsrjya vartate kama-karatah, na siddhim avapno... [bg. 16.23]. Therefore we protest. Unless there is something mentioned in the authorized sastras we don't accept it. Guest (1): Is it nityah anityanam or nityah nityanam? Prabhupada: Nityo nityanam. Plural number. Dr. Patel: Plural, yes. Guest (1): No, no, that's right. Prabhupada: Plural number. Guest (1): Permanent. Permanent, impermanent. Prabhupada: Both of them permanent. No, no, no. Permanent... The jivas and the Supreme Lord, both of them are permanent, nitya. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire [bg. 2.20]. Just like nityah sasvato 'yam. It is said in the Bhagavad-gita, nityah sasvato 'yam. Eternal, always existing. And this material word has been described: asasvatah. Duhkhalayam asasvatah. Dr. Patel: Asasvatam. Prabhupada: Asas... It is not permanent. Bhutva bhutva praliyate [bg. 8.19]. It appears and disappears. So because nityo nityanam, there is transaction between the nitya, the Supreme Nitya, Krsna, and the... Dr. Patel: Cetanas cetananam. Prabhupada: And the subordinate nityas, the living entities. So there must be one place also where this transaction takes place. Because this is anitya. This material world is anitya. So how the transaction between the nitya and nityanam can take place? Because the place is anitya. Therefore there must be a place which is nitya. There must be place. That is Vaikuntha dhama, spiritual world. So by practicing bhakti-yoga scientifically, by practical understanding, practical application, yogam yunjan mad-asrayah, either at the shelter... Mr. Sar: Anyaj jnatam neha bhuyo... Prabhupada: Eh? Mr. Sar: Anyaj jnatam avasisyate. Prabhupada: Ah. Then anyaj jnatavyam. No. Then you become perfect. No more knowledge. Mr. Sar: No more knowledge is required. Prabhupada: Yes, knowledge is perfect. Mr. Sar: Final Prabhupada: Final, yes. Prabhupada: Yasmin vijnate sarvam etam vijnatam bhavanti. This is also Upanisad. Yasmin vijnate. If you simply understand Krsna, then sarvam eva vijnatam bhavanti. Then you have got full knowledge. And that is also stated in the Fourth Chapter. Janma karma me divyam yo janati tattvatah, tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti... [bg. 4.9]. He becomes immediately liberated. Simply if you understand Krsna, what is Krsna, tattvatah, in truth, then you are, your business is finished. Mr. Sar: Manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye [bg. 7.3]. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Yatatam api siddhanam kascin mam vetti tattvatah [bg. 7.3]. Prabhupada: Yes, to understand Krsna is not so easy job. First of all, so many millions and millions of living entities are there. They are not interested. They are just like animals: "Eat, drink, be merry and enjoy." Nobody's interested what is the success of life, siddhi. They do not know. They think, "If I..." Now, especially in this age, if you can eat sumptuously then it is siddhi, all siddhi. Yes. Udaram bharita, svartham udaram bharita. That just we see people are so lazy. If they can eat their daily food some way or other, begging, borrowing and stealing, just like animals... Dr. Patel: They have got udara-sisnu-parayanah. Prabhupada: Parayanah. So they think, "Now my day's business is finished. Now I have eaten." And daksyam kutumba-bharanam. And if one man can maintain a family of four, five, men, "Oh, he's Maharaja Daksa." Maharaja Daksa, you know? He was a great personality. He was performing yajnas. So this is Kali-yuga. Even they will not be able to maintain a wife, a few children. There is no shelter. I have seen in, all these things in western countries. They have no fixed up. Just like animals. The animal also loitering in the street or in the jungle; they are loitering in a great jungle, a great city. That's all. Mr. Sar: Yatatam api siddhanam kascin mam vetti tattvatah [bg. 7.3]. Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore the Mayavadis cannot understand. Although they have come to the point of siddha, still they cannot understand. Yatatam api siddhanam [bg. 7.3]. They are siddhas because they have understood that "I am not this body, aham brahmasmi." This much they have understood. But still they cannot understand Krsna. Yatatam api siddhanam [bg. 7.3]. Although they are trying... Dr. Patel: Kascin mam vetti tattvatah. Prabhupada: Ah, tattvatah. They do not know. They say,"Krsna is nirakara." God is nirakara. "I am as good as God." These theories, encumbrous theories... because they do not know. Yatatam api siddhanam [bg. 7.3]. Dr. Patel: Kascin mam vetti... Mr. Sar: Bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh... Prabhupada: So when one has come to this knowledge perfectly, that "I am not this body, I am spirit soul, aham brahmasmi," that is brahma-bhuta stage. So, so after brahma-bhuta [sB 4.30.20] stage, there are so many other things. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati, samah sarvesu bhutesu [bg. 18.54]. Dr. Patel: Samah sarvesu bhutesu. Prabhupada: These bhutesu. Mr. Sar: Mad-bhaktim labhate param. Prabhupada: Then he comes to the bhakti-yoga. Not that only daridra-narayana-seva, not dhani-narayana-seva. Dr. Patel: You came out with that. Prabhupada: No, no that is, that is the deficiency. If daridra is Narayana, why not the dhani? Dr. Patel: Again, we are not (indistinct). Prabhupada: No, no, we have to accept. Samah sarvesu bhutesu. A devotee is equal. Either he's daridra-narayana or dhani-narayana. Mr. Sar: Dhani-narayana, yes. Prabhupada: It is not that... Mr. Sar: Both are equal. Prabhupada: Both are equal. Mr. Sar: Either poor or rich. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Devotee's equal, whether poor or rich. Prabhupada: That is samah sarvesu bhutesu. Why there should be distinction? Mr. Sar: bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh kham mano buddhir eva ca ahankara itiyam me bhinna prakrtir astadha [bg. 7.4] Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: Astadha, that's the lower prakrti of God. Prabhupada: Yes, so now the study, first study, begins from material point of view: Wherefrom the sky came? How the sky came into existence? First of all sky. Then, from sky, there is sound. Then, from sound there is air. From air, there is... Along with these creations... the sky creation means the air creation also, the reception of the sound. So in this way it is all described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam very nicely, how creation took place. Then, ultimately, we come to the land, where all the qualities of other elements are there. There is sound. There is touch. There is vision. There is smell. Everything is there. So... And the subtle matters. Mind, citta, intelligence, then buddh... intelligence. Then false ego. This is... At the present moment, everyone is thinking in the bodily concept of life: "I am American.I am Indian.I am brahmana.I am ksatriya." This is false ego. He's not, neither of them. Because he's spirit soul, a different identity. So these, how the subtle mind, intelligence, are working, one should know. How transmigration of the soul takes place? By the action of mind, intelligence and ego. They do not know. There is no such science. There are so many universities all over the world. But who is studying all these things? The psychologists, they have studied a little more about thinking, feeling and willing. That's all. But they do not know how he is working, how he is carrying the subtle soul to other body. That they do not know. Mr. Sar: Apareyam itas tu... Guest (2): Why do you not explain that? Prabhupada: Eh? Guest (2): Why do you not explain that about subtle being carried forward? Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: That is going to come now. Prabhupada: Subtle body... Just like your body at night is on the bed, but you are carried by the thinking, feeling, intelligence to somewhere else. Is it not? So how are you are carried? You are actually lying on the bed. (aside:) Hare Krsna. It is carried by the subtle body. Similarly, death means that this body stops working. But the subtle mind... Exactly in the same way. Just as while you are sleeping this gross body has stopped to work, but the subtle body is working. Dr. Patel: That is in, I mean, svapna. Prabhupada: Svapna, yes. Dr. Patel: But that does not work in deep sleep. Prabhupada: Eh? Dr. Patel: In deep sleep it does not work, no? Prabhupada: This sleep means temporary. Again the subtle mind, intelligence, come back. So death means no more coming back. It goes elsewhere. That is death. Is it clear? Eh? Lilavati: How is it possible to forget? Prabhupada: Eh? Lilavati: The subtle body... Prabhupada: Yes, you forget. (aside:) Hare Krsna. Jayo. You forget. When you dream, you forget that you have got this gross body and you are the father of such and such or mother of such and such. Dr. Patel: Because this is all due to mind only. Prabhupada: Yes. The mind, mind forgets. The subtle body works. Similarly, we are dying daily. That is also death. Dr. Patel: Nitya pralaya. Prabhupada: Nitya pralaya. But... When... Now, because the body is fit, therefore we come again to enjoy with the body, ksetra. We come to the ksetra. Just like you are tilling some land, but when it becomes useless, you cannot till. You have to go elsewhere. Suppose it is overflooded. You cannot work there. Similarly, death means when the mind, intelligence, along with the soul, cannot work in this body, he has to go to some other body. Tatha dehantara-praptih [bg. 2.13]. Dehantara-praptih. Dr. Patel: That is when the prarabdhah... Prabhupada: Yes, that will be decided by the prarabdhah and everything. So in this way, death means this gross body, no more working. That's all. Dr. Patel: Subtle body lives always. Prabhupada: No. Dr. Patel: Till, till it is, I mean, liquidated from the maya's clutches and... Prabhupada: Yes. Till... Dr. Patel: ...comes into the Goloka with Krsna. Prabhupada: Yes. The vita-raga. When you, when you are completely freed from all attachment of this material world, then tyaktva deham punar janma naiti [bg. 4.9]. Dr. Patel: Mam eti. Prabhupada: Mam eti. Mr. Sar: Yada sarve prabhur jante kamani manah sasvatah. Prabhupada: Yes. Then you do not come again. Mam eti. You go back to home, back to Godhead. Mr. Sar: Apareyam itas tv anyam prakrtim viddhi me param, jiva-bhutam maha-baho... [bg. 7.5]. Prabhupada: (Aside) Hare Krsna. Mr. Sar: ...yayedam dharyate jagat. Prabhupada: Jaya. Dr. Patel: That is consciousness, the consciousness... Prabhupada: Eh? Dr. Patel: The apara prakrti. This is... Prabhupada: No, no, no. Dr. Patel: Para-prakrti. Prabhupada: Not consciousness. Consciousness is also matter. Consciousness... Dr. Patel: There are two prakrtis. Prabhupada: Prakrti... That prakrti's soul. That prakrti is soul, para-prakrti. Dr. Patel: Para-prakrti, yes. Prabhupada: Soul is also prakrti. Soul is not purusa. The Mayavadis, they consider soul as purusa. But it is spoken in the Bhagavad-gita as prakrti. Prakrti... Jiva-bhutam maha-baho [bg. 7.5]. Jiva-bhuta, the soul which is now covered with this material body is called jiva-bhuta. Mr. Sar: Apareyam itas tv anyat. Prabhupada: So therefore it is decided that both these material elements and the soul, both of them are prakrtis. One is superior; another is inferior. Dr. Patel: Apara prakrti is soul. Mr. Sar: No, no,... Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Apara is matter. Prabhupada: Matter, yes. Dr. Patel: The para... Mr. Sar: The para is the soul. Prabhupada: Para is the soul. Mr. Sar: Jiva-bhutam maha-baho. That is also prakrti word. Dr. Patel: Yayedam dharyate jagat [bg. 7.5]. Prabhupada: And... No, no. What is the...? What is the proof of the soul? Now, yayedam dharyate jagat. One who is working with this inferior energy. Just like I am working with this body. Dr. Patel: It animates the inferior energy. Prabhupada: Eh? Dr. Patel: It animates the inferior prakrti. Prabhupada: Yes, working, working. One is the worker, and another is the working ingredient, prakrti. Dr. Patel: Yayedam dharyate jagat. Prabhupada: Jagat. Because... Dr. Patel: That means the jagat is being held by that. Prabhupada: Yes. Because... This Bombay city is important because there are so many para-prakrtis. If there was no living entity, who cares for the Bombay city? Dr. Patel: So living entity is the para-prakrti. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Oh, living entity is the para-prakrti. Prabhupada: Para. But prakrti. But it is prakrti. It is not purusa. Therefore this prakrti is trying to become purusa here. That is illusion. Dr. Patel: Or, or people calling prakrti as purusa is Mayavada. Prabhupada: Eh? No, no. Prakrti, jiva, yayedam dharyate ja... They are working... They are trying to enjoy. But... They are trying to be enjoyer. But that is not possible. Prakrti is enjoyed. Just like stri-purusa. Purusa is enjoyer, and stri is enjoyed. Similarly, prakrti is used for the satisfaction of the purusa. So if the jiva is prakrti, then the purusa, purusa is the Supreme Person. Therefore his business is to satisfy the Supreme Purusa. This is bhakti-yoga. Guest (1): Then, then isn't it sankhya? Prabhupada: Yes, it is sankhya. Dr. Patel: Prakrti trying to satisfy purusa is a sankhya philosophy. Prabhupada: Yes, yes. This is sankhya. This is sankhya philosophy. Mr. Sar: Jiva is the prakrti. Prabhupada: Prakrti. Mr. Sar: Oh, jiva is prakrti. Ah. Prabhupada: And the Mayavadi philosophy, they say it is purusa. Therefore... Therefore avisuddha-buddhayah. The Mayavadis, Mayavadis are described as avisuddha-buddhayah. Dr. Patel: Buddha was also an avatara of Krsna. Prabhupada: Oh... And in Bhagavad-gita it is also said, abuddhayah. What is that sloka? Mr. Sar: Abuddhayah. Prabhupada: Manyante mam abuddhayah. Mr. Sar: Abuddhayah. Prabhupada: Avyaktam vyaktim apannam ma... Mr. Sar: Manyante mam abuddhayah, param... Prabhupada: Abuddhayah. So these Mayavadis are abuddhayah. They are not intelligent. Mr. Sar: No intelligence. Prabhupada: And in Bhagavata it is said, avisuddha-buddhayah. The plural number is there, avisuddha, that "intelligence is not yet clear." Avisuddha. Avisuddha-buddhayah. Ye 'nye 'ravindaksa vimukta-maninah. But they are thinking that they have become liberated. Now you call... They address amongst themselves, "Narayana.Narayana." Mr. Sar: etad yonini bhutani sarvanity upadharaya aham krtsnasya jagatah prabhavah pralayas tatha Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: They are two yoni. Prabhupada: Now, etad yonini, all kinds of species or forms of life, or whatever you see, they are simply combination of this para-prakrti and apara-prakrti. But both the prakrtis coming from Krsna, janmadyasya yatah, He is the actual, actual cause of everything. Mr. Sar: Aham krtsnasya jagatah prabhavah... Prabhupada: Ah. Prabhavah pralayas tatha. But prabhavah, prabhavah, as Brahma, creation, as Visnu, maintenance, as Siva, dissolution. Mr. Sar: Destroyer. Prabhupada: But Krsna is the original cause of Brahma, Visnu... Aham adir hi devanam [bg 10.2]. Aham adir hi devanam. Dr. Patel: So He is, in a way, all the three. Mr. Sar: He's all the three. Yes, He's all the three. Prabhupada: Yes, He's not only three, He's many. Mr. Sar: And above them, and above them, and above them. Prabhupada: He's many. Eko bahu syama. Not three. But in the material world that three may be the beginning. But there are many. Mr. Sar: Eko bahu syama. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Eko bahu syam. Aham krtsnasya jagatah prabhavah pralayas tatha. Mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya [bg. 7.7]. Prabhupada: Ah. Now... Because He's the ultimate cause, therefore no more superior than Him. Dr. Patel: "Nothing beyond Me." Prabhupada: "Nothing beyond Me." Mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya [bg. 7.7]. Mr. Sar: Mayi sarvam idam protam sutre mani-gana iva. Prabhupada: Yes. (aside) Hare Krsna. Thank you. Because He's the original cause, therefore everything is depending on Him. That is explained in the Ninth Chapter, I think. maya tatam idam sarvam jagad avyakta... The avyakta-murti also He is. That is another feature, another feature. But maya, the central feature is the person, Krsna. Mr. Sar: Raso 'ham apsu kaunteya prabhasmi sasi-suryayoh, pranavah sarva-vedesu... [bg. 7.8] Prabhupada: Now, those who cannot realize the supreme cause, they are instructed how to realize. How to realize... If, while drinking water, you think, "Now this taste is Krsna," raso 'ham apsu kaunteya. He says that "I am the taste of the water." So everyone is drinking water. There is no man who does not drink water. At least. So if he remembers, "Now, the taste, this taste is Krsna," then he remembers Krsna. And that is bhakti. Sravanam kirtanam visnoh smaranam [sB 7.5.23]. Even by remembering, he becomes a devotee, gradually. Mr. Sar: Prabhasmi sasi-suryayoh. Prabhupada: Yes. And even if you cannot understand this, that how the taste of the water becomes Krsna, all right, you see the sunlight. You inquire, "Wherefrom the light is coming?" Then you come to Krsna. And if you are not foolish, ordinary person, if you are Vedantist, then try, "the omkara, Myself." Om tad visnoh paramam padam... He's learned. He's thinking, "Nirakara.No, I am. Pranavah, the omkara, the beginning of all Vedic mantras, the omkara, that I am." Dr. Patel: Pranavah sarva-bhut... Mr. Sar: Sarva-vedesu. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Sabdah khe paurusam nrsu. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Sabdah khe. Prabhupada: And... Yes. Sabdah khe. In the sky. So in the sky there is sabdah. As the aeroplane goes, there is sabdah, (makes imitative sound) guraguraguragura... He can remember Krsna. Is it very difficult? You see. Bhakti-yoga, how nice it is! When the aeroplane is passing, there is guragura sabdah, you find Krsna. When you are tasting water, you find Krsna. When there is sunlight, you find Krsna. When there is moonlight, you find... When you're chanting Vedas, you find Krsna. So how you can be without Krsna consciousness? It is simply foolishness that it cannot be done. No. The how it can be done, that Krsna personally is teaching. Learn it. And do it. Mr. Sar: Punyo gandhah prthivyam ca... Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Tejas casmi vibhavasau. Prabhupada: There are two kinds of smell, bad smell and good smell. So when you smell a nice flower, punya-gandhah, you remember Krsna. "Here is Krsna. Here is Krsna." Punyo-gandhah prthivyam ca. Mr. Sar: Tejas casmi vibhavasau. Prabhupada: When we, when you find vibhutimat sattvam, a very powerful man, a powerful elephant, you should, you know that "There is Krsna. This power is Krsna." Dr. Patel: This is standard nyaya. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: yad yad vibhutimat sattvam srimad urjitam eva va tat tad evavagaccha tvam mama tejo-'msa-sambhavam Prabhupada: So where is the difficulty to understand Krsna? (laughs) Every moment you can remember Krsna. Every moment you can see Krsna, provided you have got eyes. Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti [bs. 5.38]. Santah. So you have to become a santah, perfect santa. Then you'll see Krsna always. Mr. Sar: Jivanam sarva-bhutesu tapas casmi tapasvisu. Dr. Patel: The very life of every individual is Krsna. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: Jivanam sarva-bhutesu. Prabhupada: Yes. So without Krsna, as soon as... So long the Paramatma is there... Or the jiva is there... Jiva is also Krsna. Because part and parcel of Krsna, acintya-bhedabheda. So so long Krsna is there, either as atma or Paramatma, then the body's moving. But the so-called scientists, they do not know. Therefore they do not understand what is Krsna. Dr. Patel: Scientists have started understanding Krsna. Prabhupada: They are standing? Dr. Patel: They have started understanding Krsna now. Scientists. Prabhupada: Now, here is the... This is very simple. A child can understand. Here is a dead body, and here is a living body. What is the difference? That Krsna is not there, and here is Krsna. That's all. Dr. Patel: That is what I say... Prabhupada: Yes. But these rascal scientists will not understand this. Dr. Patel: Einstein? Prabhupada: No, yes. They have no... They are, they are... I know one scientist, a rascal scientist. He has written one "Chemical Evolution." Guest (1): Yes. Dr. Patel: Litleus. (?) Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: Article came. I read it. Prabhupada: Yes. "Chemical evolution.From chemical life has come." Just see. And he has got Nobel Prize. Dr. Patel: That is the Russians. Mr. Sar: Is it? Dr. Patel: No, that man has not got the Nobel Prize. Prabhupada: Oh yes. I know. In California University he was there. So one of, one of my students, he's also professor in the... Dr. Svarupa Damodara. He challenged that "Suppose if I give you the chemicals, can you produce life?" That time he said, "That I cannot say." From that day, his meeting was not attended by the students. Yes. He theoretically said that "From chemicals life has come into existence." Dr. Patel: As a matter of fact... Prabhupada: No. Dr. Patel: ...life keeps the chemicals together. As soon as the life goes away, the chemicals dissolve. Prabhupada: Dissolve, yes. As a medical practitioner, you know. Where is chemical? Where is chemical? That is a fact. Dr. Patel: Always fact. Mr. Sar: So still we are researching it. Prabhupada: No... Dr. Patel: There is no research... Prabhupada: That is... But when the fact is there, what is the use of your researching? When the fact is already there, what is the use of your so-called researching? Guest (3): How can we see Krsna? Prabhupada: That is being explained. Mr. Sar: bijam mam sarva-bhutanam viddhi partha sanatanam buddhir buddhimatam asmi tejas tejasvinam aham [bg. 7.10] Prabhupada: Now, that is explained that prabhasmi sasi-suryayoh. Sasi means moon, and surya means sun. Prabha. So as soon as in the morning you see the sunshine, there you see Krsna. Dr. Patel: "I am the very light of sun and moon." Prabhupada: Why do you say, "I don't see Krsna"? Krsna says, "I am here, that, as prabhasmi sasi-suryayoh," But why don't you see? Guest (3): God is there. But we want to see original form of Lord Krsna. Prabhupada: No, no, no. That will take three millions of years to understand. (laughter) That is already explained. Manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye, yatatam api siddhanam [bg. 7.3]. That is not so easy. Dr. Patel: Mam vetthi tattvatah. Guest (3): What is the method of seeing God? Prabhupada: Here, bhakti-yoga. That is, that is, that is the beginning. mayy asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan mad-asrayah asamsayam samagram mam yatha jnasyasi tac chrnu [bg. 7.1] That is being explained. Mr. Sar: No, my doubt is that some people must have become siddha in this age also, must have seen Krsna. Guest: Oh yes. Why not? Prabhupada: No, no. Yatatam api siddhanam [bg. 7.3]. Even siddhas cannot see. Mr. Sar: Yatatam api. But then there must be somebody of the siddhas... Prabhupada: Means... Those siddhas were satisfied, "Now I have become Brahman." Mr. Sar: No, not those siddhas, satisfied. Prabhupada: And still, after that, brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati samah sarvesu bhutesu mad-bhaktim labhate param [bg. 18.54] One is engaged in bhakti. They also, after many, many years, will understand what is Krsna. Mr. Sar: But in this age there must be some people... Prabhupada: There is always. Not in this age or that age. Mr. Sar: Every, every, every... Prabhupada: Everywhere, every age. Mr. Sar: Then you must have seen Krsna in the human form. Prabhupada: I, uh... Mr. Sar: That is the divine form. Prabhupada: So... Mr. Sar: Sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah [bs. 5.1]. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: Sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah is the real vigrahah of Krsna form [bs. 5.1]. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: Krsna, when viewed on the earth, He had that form. Prabhupada: No, just like... Dr. Patel: That sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah form [bs. 5.1]. Prabhupada: ...a devotee sees the Deity of Krsna. Dr. Patel: Come here. Sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah is the real form of Krsna [bs. 5.1]. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: If you can understand it beyond the five senses of us. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: You cannot see with the karma eyes or hear him with these ears. You have to go beyond. Prabhupada: No, you can see. Just like with cataract eyes you cannot see. But if the cataract is removed, you can see. So similarly, to see Krsna you have to develop attachment for Krsna. Mayy asakta-manah, yogam yunjan mad-asrayah. So you have to be free from the cataract. Then you'll see. Dr. Patel: Cataract is the cataract of maya. False illusion. Prabhupada: Yes. So that means... Dr. Patel: Am I right? Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore you have to purify your eyes by bhakti-yoga operation. And then you'll see. With stick. With stick. Dr. Patel: You see, you have to actually condition yourself to, I mean, receive... [break] Prabhupada: ...confirmed in Brahma-samhita. Premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena [bs. 5.38]. Bhakti-vilocanena. Santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti. Those who have become santa and those whose eyes are smeared with love of Godhead, they see every moment Krsna. They do not see anything but Krsna. Mr. Sar: Balam balavatam asmi. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Kama-raga-vivarjitah. Prabhupada: Now this is another seeing, another seeing, that one is very strong. That strong, strength is Krsna. Mr. Sar: Where does he get the strength from? Strength is Krsna. Prabhupada: That is Krsna. Dr. Patel: Kama-raga-vivarjitah. Mr. Sar: Dharmaviruddho bhutesu kamo 'smi bharatarsabha. That is a very important... Dharma aviruddhah. Dr. Patel: This... Please explain that. Prabhupada: Yes. Dharma aviruddho. Dharma aviruddho means putrarthe kriyate bharya. Putrarthe bharya. Wife is accepted only for getting son, not for sexual intercourse. Putrarthe kriyate bharya. So when you have sex life simply for generating good son, that is Krsna. And if you want to enjoy your senses, that is papa. Mr. Sar: That's correct. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: If you take that way, then the... Prabhupada: If you take contraceptive and enjoy sex life... Mr. Sar: That is not allowed. Prabhupada: That is maha-papa. That is killing. This is going on. This is going on. All over the world. Dr. Patel: Ye caiva sattvika-bhava rajasas tamasas ca ye. Mr. Sar: Matta eveti tan viddhi na tv aham tesu te mayi. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: And all the three modes of nature also is. Prabhupada: Yes, yes. They are also... As the material elements coming from Krsna, these gunas also coming from Krsna. But Krsna is not there. Mr. Sar: He's above that. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: None of the gunas are there. Prabhupada: Just like an electrician. He is, by his knowledge, he is, the same box, he's turning to be a refrigerator. And again heater. He knows how, the art. So the heat and the coolness is coming from the engineer. But he's not there. He's not there. Dr. Patel: God is with that. Mr. Sar: Tribhir gunamayir bhavair ebhih sarvam idam jagat. Prabhupada: Then again comes to that, here... Krsna is within the dog, but he is not dog. Dr. Patel: Yes. Prabhupada: And if you say "dog-narayana," that is mistake. (laughter) Mr. Sar: Tribhir gunamayir bhavair... Prabhupada: (laughing) "Dog-narayana!" Mean... If daridra can become Narayana, why not dog? What he has done? Dr. Patel: maya tatam idam sarvam jagad avyakta-murtina [bg. 9.4]. Prabhupada: No, so that I am explaining. So if you take in that sense, because He has expanded Himself everywhere, so why do you say, "daridra-narayana"? You say, "dog-narayana, dhani-narayana, cat-narayana -- everyone is Narayana." Why you particularize this section? Mr. Sar: Because they are human beings. That's why I take in that way. Prabhupada: No, no, no human. If you have got so broad vision, because the Narayana has entered everywhere, so you cannot say simply "daridra-narayana." You can say, "the sun-narayana. Sun-narayana." There is also. Mr. Sar: But the human beings they are more, you see, first... Dr. Patel: That's right, but I think... Prabhupada: No, no, no... That's... It is argument. It is argument. Mr. Sar: Let him explain it. Prabhupada: Here see... If you have got so broad vision that Narayana is everywhere present, why you particularize daridra-narayana? Mr. Sar: Well, human beings, we are the first of everywhere. Prabhupada: Everyone. "Dog-narayana, cat-narayana." Guest (3): If you say that you are... [break] That's nonsense. Prabhupada: These, these rascals, what are they? Now, they are worshiping daridra-narayana and they are killing goat-narayana. Guest (3): That's right. Dr. Patel: Goat-narayana. Yes. And eating it away. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: That's the answer of it. Guest (4): That is God killing God. Part of God killing... Prabhupada: No, God does not kill. Dr. Patel: God never kills anything, and nothing is killed. Guest (4): He says that human beings and cats and dogs are God Himself. That means... Mr. Sar: No, no, no, no. That's... Prabhupada: No, that's... [break] ...(the version) of the cats and dogs, not of Krsna. That is the... This is the version of the cats and dogs. Krsna says, naham tesu. Dr. Patel: Naham tesu te mayi. "They are in Me. Not I am in them." Mr. Sar: Tribhir gunamayair bhavair ebhih sarvam..., mohitam nabhijanati... Prabhupada: Ah! Mohitam, bewildered by the three modes of nature, they cannot understand what is Krsna. Mr. Sar: daivi hy esa gunamayi mama-maya duratyaya mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti te [bg. 7.14] Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore the bhaktas who have surrendered to Krsna, they can understand everything. Mr. Sar: That is the most important. Prabhupada: Yes. Mam eva ye prapadyante. Mr. Sar: Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante... [bg. 7.15]. Prabhupada: Yes. (laughter) Now, here the question... Here the question is that mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti te. So it is very easy thing. Why not surrender to Krsna and become free from maya? But their... The answer is there: na mam duskrtino mudhah. Dr. Patel: Four types of people. Prabhupada: Rascals and mudhas and sinful men, they do not do that. Mr. Sar: And then again, catur-vidha bhajante mam... Prabhupada: But those who are pious, sukrtina, they do. Dr. Patel: Catur-vidha bhajante... My name is Caturbhai. (Prabhupada chuckles) Mr. Sar: One of them, catur-vidha. But they... Their mode of worship is fourfold, arto jijnasur artharthi... [break] Prabhupada: Arto, arto jijnasi means grhasthas. Dr. Patel: Tesam jnani... Prabhupada: And jnani and jijnasu, sannyasis. Mr. Sar: Jnani and... I see. Arto and... Prabhupada: Arto and... Because they, the grhasthas, they feel distress of this material world. Dr. Patel: That is, they are artas. Prabhupada: Artas. They are in need of money. But a sannyasi is not in need of money, neither he cares for these worldly miseries. Mr. Sar: He's jijnasu. Prabhupada: Eh? Jijnasu. He's jijnasu. So they are better. Dr. Patel: Jnani, jijnasu and jnani, both together. Prabhupada: Yes. The jijnasu and jnani is almost the same thing. Anyway, so, so grhasthas are inferior because as soon as their distressed condition is over, they, they are no more interested. Dr. Patel: They forget so. Prabhupada: They are no more interested. But these jnanis and jijnasu, because they want to know what is Krsna, they continue. That is the difference. Guest (1): Even jnani and jijnasu also? Dr. Patel: Tesam jnani nitya-yukta eka-bhaktir visisyate. Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Jijnasu is the beginner, and jnani is realized. Jnani is realized. Therefore he's better. But that jnani does not mean that "I have become God." One who is situated in bhakti-yoga. Eka-bhaktih. Mr. Sar: Eka-bhaktih. Dr. Patel: "He is dear to Me, and I am dear to him." Jnani. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: But He is dear to everyone, and everyone is dear to Him. Prabhupada: No, especially. Especially. Just like you have got many students. One is very intelligent. You take care of him especially. Therefore... The jnani is intelligent. Therefore He takes care. Mr. Sar: Udarah sarva evaite jnani tv atmaiva me matam [bg. 7.18]. Dr. Patel: That is very important. Prabhupada: Everything is important. Dr. Patel: Jnani tva atmaiva me matam. Prabhupada: Yes, "Because he has accepted Me after full knowledge, nobody can defeat him. Therefore he is My atma." Especially. Dr. Patel: So jnanis a... Mr. Sar: Asthito... Prabhupada: Jnani means one who can defend by knowledge Krsna's identity. That is jnani. Mr. Sar: Or he's asthitah... Dr. Patel: "Perpetually welded with Me." Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate [bg. 7.19]. (laughter) Prabhupada: And the so-called jnanavan, they'll take many, many, many births. Mr. Sar: So-called, so-called, yes, so-called. Prabhupada: So-called. Because actually when he becomes wise, he prapadyante, he surrenders. That is the sy... Mr. Sar: If he has become jnani with bhakti... Prabhupada: Then you'll find, you'll find that he has surrendered. Vasudevah sarvam... He has no... "No, Vasudeva, Krsna, is everything." Mr. Sar: Real jnani is that who... Prabhupada: That is real jnani. Mr. Sar: ...who has surrendered himself. That is correct. Bahunam janmanam ante [bg. 7.19], jnanavan ..., vasudevah sarvam iti, sa mahatma su-durlabhah [bg. 7.19]. Prabhupada: Sa mahatma su-durlabhah. Dr. Patel: Vasudevah sarvam etam... Prabhupada: Eh? Mr. Sar: Sarvam khalv idam brahma. Prabhupada: Vasudevah sarvam idam means Vasudeva is everything. Because... We already explained: There are two energies, prakrti of Vasudeva, one apara and para. And whatever you see, this is combination of this apara and para. Therefore Vasudeva is everything. Dr. Patel: Sa mahatma su-durlabhah. Prabhupada: Vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma su-durlabhah [bg. 7.19]. Mr. Sar: Kamais tair hrta-jnanah... Dr. Patel: So that way Vasudeva is sarvam khalv idam brahma. Hogya. Same thing He is... Prabhupada: Huh. But Vasudeva is there. It does not mean... Mayavadi says, "Because Vasudeva has got everything, He has become everything, He's finished." Mr. Sar: Vasudeva still above. Dr. Patel: That is... Nobody says that. Prabhupada: That is Mayavada. Yes. That is Mayavada, impersonalism. They don't accept the person. That... "Because Vasudeva has expanded Himself in so many ways, therefore the identity of Vasudeva is finished." Dr. Patel: It cannot be exactly. Purnam idam purnam adhah.. [isopanisad, Invocation]. Prabhupada: That's all right. But because they are fools, they cannot understand. Mr. Sar: Celo. Celo. You are a fool; so you don't understand. (laughter) Dr. Patel: No. Don't call me a fool. I'll hit him. Mr. Sar: We are fighting! We are fighting! No, we are not fighting. Prabhupada: (laughing) Now, now one thing I must explain. I think Dr. Patel is the eldest of you. Mr. Sar: Yes, he is the oldest. Prabhupada: All right. So you are all... He's just like my younger brother. Mr. Sar: Yes, yes, yes. Prabhupada: And you are all, mostly, you are just like my sons. Dr. Patel: I am also your son. (laughter) Prabhupada: (laughing) No, you are younger brother. Sons are on the same level. So I have got the right to say sometimes "Rascal, fool." Don't be angry. Dr. Patel: And we accept it also. We know that within yourself you take us to be something different. Prabhupada: That is out of love. [break] He thinks he's government. Because "Unless he's satisfied, if I do any mistake, immediately he'll arrest me." So he thinks "This constable is government." That's all. He does not know behind the constable, there is head constable, there is... [break] He sees directly, "The constable harasses me. So, 'Sir. Namaskara.' " Just like in the village, there are so many [break] done. Somebody is killing the hens. We have got here? Before some deity? So there are so many deities. Dr. Patel: All these Hindus, they always worship those... [break] Prabhupada: ...and (Hindi), and this, that, so many, hundreds and thousands. Mr. Sar: Antavat tu phalam tesam tad... [bg. 7.23]. Prabhupada: Ah, here is... Mr. Sar: ...bhavaty alpa-medhasam. Prabhupada: But they... Now it is clear. That antavat tu phalam tesam. That is intelligence, that "If I have to ask something, and it is to be ended, why shall I be interested with such thing?" So devan deva-yajo yanti... Mr. Sar: Mad-bhakta yanti mam api. Prabhupada: Mam api. So why not go to Krsna? Why to these... [break] The Mayavadis, they think that Krsna has got His maya body. His body's maya. Because the origin, Absolute, is impersonal, so when the Absolute comes in form, He accepts the material elements just like we do. We do. So they are abuddhayah. Their intelligence is abu... Mr. Sar: Avyaktam vyaktim apannam manyante mam abuddhayah [bg. 7.24]. Prabhupada: Vyaktim apannam. Dr. Patel: They consider body of Krsna as Krsna. Prabhupada: Avyaktam, avyaktam, the Absolute Truth is avyaktam. And when Absolute Truth comes, incarnation, He accepts this mayic body. Dr. Patel: Only body, and the real is inside. Prabhupada: And that has been commented by Dr. Radhakrishnan. When Krsna says that man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru [bg. 18.65], he says that "It is not to the Krsna person, but what is within Him. Within Him." That means he is under the theory that Krsna's body is maya. So you haven't got to surrender to the body of Krsna. But this fool does not know that there is no such distinction in Krsna. Mr. Sar: Avyaktam vyaktim apannam manyante mam... Prabhupada: Ah! No, Krsna has no such distinction as body and soul. Prakrtim svam adhisthaya. He comes in His own, original body. Sambhavami yuge... Prakrtim svam. Not this prakrti. Svam, the spiritual body. That they do not take. Mr. Sar: Param bhavam ajananto mamavyayam anuttamam. Prabhupada: Param bhavam ajanantah [bg. 9.11]. That Krsna is so powerful that He can come in a spiritual body. Otherwise how He remembers millions of years. If His body's changing, it is material, then how He can remember? Mr. Sar: Naham prakasah sarvasya yoga-maya... [bg. 7.25]. Prabhupada: Ah. Yogamaya-samavrtah... Therefore He's not manifest except to the devotee. Mr. Sar: Mudho 'yam nabhijanati loko mam ajam avyayam [bg. 7.25]. Prabhupada: Again, mudha and mudha comes. (laughter) Mr. Sar: Vedaham samatitani vartamanani car... [bg. 7.26] Prabhupada: This is Krsna. Vedaham samatitani. Dr. Patel: Kalatitah. Prabhupada: Kala ati... Yes. Dr. Patel: He's kalatitah. Prabhupada: Kalatitah because He, He's all spirit. Therefore He knows everything. Dr. Patel: Kala is an illusion. Prabhupada: No, kala is also Krsna, another form of Krsna. Dr. Patel: Yes. Prabhupada: Yes. Kalo 'smi. In the Eleventh chapter He has said. Mr. Sar: Iccha-dvesa-samutthena dvandva-mohena bharata [bg. 7.27]. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Sarva-bhutani sammoham sarge yanti parantapa. Prabhupada: Yes. Sarge. Those who have come to this material world, they are envious of Krsna. Dr. Patel: Iccha-dvesa-samutthena. Prabhupada: Yes. Iccha-dvesa... They... "Why shall I serve Krsna? I shall become Krsna." This is iccha-dvesa. Dr. Patel: Is that so because of the reason of not understanding Krsna, they go on... Prabhupada: No, no. Krsna is enjoyer. Just like a big businessman, and his secretary is working under him. So he sometimes thinks, "Why shall I work under him? Why not become another Birla like him?" That is the fall down. He's happy there, becoming secretary of a big man, but he gives up the job and tries himself and becomes a vagabond. That's all. This is the position. Anyone who is trying to become... Dr. Patel: Iccha-dvesa-samutthena dvandva-mohena... Prabhupada: Dvandva-mohena. Dr. Patel: Because they are illusioned by the dvandvas. Prabhupada: Dvandas. Dr. Patel: If they understand that there is unity and nothing else but Krsna, then they are released from the maya's condition. Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Dr. Patel: Otherwise, they are going... Prabhupada: So therefore they'll not... If anyone knows that "Wherever I go, Krsna's supremacy is there. Krsna's supreme is there." But he is perplexed, dvandva-mohena, that "If I leave Krsna, I become more happy." That is dvandva-mohah. Dr. Patel: Dvandva-mohah means all duality of this... Prabhupada: Yes, duality. He's making duality that "Krsna's interest and my interest, different." Mr. Sar: All likes and dislikes. Prabhupada: "Krsna's interest and my interests, different." That is dvandva-moha. When he understands that "My interest and Krsna's interest is the same," then it is not dvandva-moha. Dr. Patel: Dvandva-mohena bharata. Mr. Sar: Yesam tv anta-gatam papam jananam punya-karmanam... Prabhupada: Ah. This dvandva-mohah exists with the sinful man, but one who is freed from all sinful reactions, resultant actions, he can understand Krsna. Mr. Sar: Te dvandva-moha-nirmukta bhajante mam drdha-vratah [bg. 7.28]. Prabhupada: Mam drdha-vratah. Then he engages himself drdha-vratah: "No, I am simply servant of Krsna. That's all." Mr. Sar: Jara-marana-moksaya mam asritya yatanti ye, te brahma... Prabhupada: Now, here, here the real problem is jara-marana-moksaya. But they are, these people, they are engaged in paltry things. The real business is how to become free from the janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi [bg. 13.9]. They do not know that. Real, real purpose of life they do not know. Take any big leader. He does not know what is the aim of life. What is the problem of life, he does not know. Mudha na abhijananti, mudha mam nabhijananti. Dr. Patel: Mudha mam abhijananti. Mr. Sar: Mudho 'yam nabhijanati [bg. 7.25]. Prabhupada: Yes. Mr. Sar: Te brahma tad viduh krtsnam adhyatmam karma cakhilam. Prabhupada: Now these things will be explained further in the next chapter. [break] ...nothing to... He's self-sufficient. He hasn't got to find out maya to enjoy. Dr. Patel: No, the lower... That is the jiva. Prabhupada: And the jiva, because he's dependent, he has to... Just like a servant. If he wants to, little more comfort, he may find out a bigger master. But he has to serve. That is the position. You have to serve. If you don't serve Krsna, then you serve maya. That's all. Dr. Patel: That is what I was saying, that... Prabhupada: This is the position. Guest (5): Does God need service? Prabhupada: God does not need. You need to serve God. God does not need. Guest (5): He's not self-sufficient, you mean. Prabhupada: He's self-sufficient, but it is for your interest. Guest (5): He knows before creating people, they'll sin. Then why does He create them? Prabhupada: Eh? Eh? He does not create. This is all nonsense question. He does not create. He does not create. Guest (5): He's not omniscient? Prabhupada: He's omniscient, everything. But you want. Therefore He has given you facility, "All right, you enjoy. And become entangled. That's all." Therefore at last He says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [bg. 18.66]. Therefore He says that "This is rascaldom. You are trying this, this, that, that. No! Don't try that. Come on. Surrender unto Me." This is the last instruction. Dr. Patel: Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati [bg. 18.61], bhramayan... [break] ...but you are illusioned because of the maya... [break] Prabhupada: One man is in the prison house. So he supports, "Why government has created the prison house?" There must be somebody. Dr. Patel: You go in. "So let me go in." Prabhupada: But government does not want that. Only the criminals are sent there. That's all. Similarly, this material creation, there was no necessity. But because there are criminals who want to enjoy, therefore God has given this facility, "All right, you enjoy." Dr. Patel: The whole material world is created by the propensity of the past actions of all... [break] Prabhupada: No, because God knows that "There are some fools and rascals who will desire like that. All right, if they want,..." Dr. Patel: (Hindi) Prabhupada: Yes. Just like government knows. Suppose government is creating one city, but he's creating at the same time the jail house. Although there is no criminal at that time. But government knows there are some criminals who will fulfill this jail house. Because you are independent. Everyone is independent. Not absolute independent, but slight independent. So therefore you have the option either to serve God or serve maya. That's all. Dr. Patel: Serve God or serve Mammon. Prabhupada: That's it. Dr. Patel: You can't serve two masters at the same time. [break] Prabhupada: That is not possible. Dr. Patel: As a matter of fact... [break] Prabhupada: ...minute quantity. [break] Guest (5): Why does God permit all these sins and offenses? Prabhupada: What is that? Dr. Patel: That is the eternal... That a madman created all this. [break] Prabhupada: Why do you not understand? God does not create. But you create. Just like you infect some disease. So you create your disease. Nobody's creating your disease. The simple thing, why don't you understand? If you... Karanam guna-sango 'sya. Karanam guna-sango 'sya. Guna-sanga. If you associate with the different qualities of this material nature, then you inf..., you become infected. You, if you associate with the tamo-guna, then you become lower class man, animals. That is your fault. It is not Krsna's fault. Dr. Patel: All your actions and their effects, which are collecting on you... [break] Guest (5): ...knows the procreating from the first word or some people would exercise their so-called free will and choosing sin, and still He creates them. If He were not to... Prabhupada: No, no, no. There is no question of choosing. As soon as you associate some infections disease, it is not the question of disease. You must be diseased. This is the law of nature. If you infect the smallpox disease, then you must be suffering from smallpox. That is law of nature. Not that your father has created small pox disease for you. Try to understand like this. You infect yourself. [break] ...giving him chance. Dr. Patel: But you, as a jiva, is so much engrossed in the maya, in the tree, in the fruits of it, that you don't heed... Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Dr. Patel: ...what (Hindi?) says. Prabhupada: Yes, yes. That is the... That is the disease. Now, Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam... [bg. 18.66]. Who is caring for Him? Dr. Patel: So you stop this looking down and look up. Prabhupada: Who is caring for Him? That is independence. Now you suffer. Dr. Patel: And once you look up and when you realize that this is all... Prabhupada: Then you become... Dr. Patel: ...His maya, all is due to Him, then you get released from the bondage of the maya, and you get... Prabhupada: maya, maya, maya... It is not for Krsna; for me. Dr. Patel: maya is for jiva. Prabhupada: Yes. Just like darkness. Darkness means absence of sun. But sun is never absence of sun. Mr. Sar: Yes, sun is never absent. Prabhupada: Sun is always in the sunlight. It is for us to be in the darkness. Mr. Sar: Krsna is the Lord of maya. He's the Lord of maya. Prabhupada: Mayam etam taranti te. By simply surrendering unto Krsna, one becomes freed from maya. So how Krsna can be under the influence of maya? Mr. Sar: No, He cannot. He's the Lord of maya. Prabhupada: Yes. But these Mayavadis says that "Krsna is also, when He comes, He comes under the influence of maya." This is called Mayavada. [break] ...these bhuta, material, material adhibhutas. And adhiyajna. Adhiyajna is Paramatma. And adhibhuta, material. And adhidaiva... Dr. Patel: Is the other demigods. Prabhupada: Devas, yes. Dr. Patel: All the devas of the ten indriyas. Mr. Sar: He's asking already, kim tad brahma kim... Prabhupada: That is... These are the questions. So this will be answered. Dr. Patel: In the next chapter it will be answered. This is the beginning of... This is the question put to raise the new chapter. Mr. Sar: But there in the next chapter, anta-kale ca mam eva smaran muktva... [bg. 8.5]. [break] Yah prayati sa mad-bhavam... Prabhupada: That is Krsna consciousness. Dr. Patel: That is the fact. But anta-kale you remember Him...? [break] Prabhupada: ...practice remembering Krsna, Hare Krsna Hare Krsna, how you'll be able. Anta-kale. There, there will be so many disarrangement of the body. You see? But if you practice, if you practice, then it is possible. Dr. Patel: As a matter of fact... Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Dr. Patel: It is fact only. I may tell you that you must have... [break] Prabhupada: ...to always remember Krsna, it is not that all of a sudden you remember Krsna. That is not possible. Mr. Sar: That's why He says, tasmat sarvesu kalesu mam anusmara yudhya ca... [bg. 8.7]. Dr. Patel: That is... I told you... Mr. Sar: Mayyarpita-mano-buddhir... Dr. Patel: Just like I have repeatedly told you... Prabhupada: This is simplest method. In whatever condition of life you may remain, you simply remember Krsna. That's all. That is our Krsna consciousness movement. That's all. Mr. Sar: Ananya-cetah satatam yo mam smarati nityasah... [break] Prabhupada: ...demigods. That is not possible. Mr. Sar: Mam upetya punar janma... [bg. 8.15]. [break] Prabhupada: ...simply distributing what Krsna says. That's all. I am a fool number one also, like others. Dr. Patel: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: No, no, no, no, no. Prabhupada: But my only ambition is that I don't speak anything else beyond Krsna's speaking. That's all. Mr. Sar: Correct sir. Just you are uncompromisingly speaking. That uncompromising you are speaking. [break] Prabhupada: ...places that "Swamiji, how you have done this wonderful thing?" And I do not know what is wonderful thing. But I know this that I do not adulterate. That's all. [break] That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission. He says, yare dekha, tare kaha 'krsna' upadesa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. That's all. Amara ajnaya... Caitanya Mahaprabhu says... Dr. Patel, hear. Krsna says, Caitanya Mahaprabhu says that amara ajnaya guru hana tara' ei desa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. "You become a guru." Just see. "You become a guru by My order." Then one may say that "What qualification I have got that I can become guru?" That only qualification: yare dekha, tare kaha 'krsna' upadesa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. You don't require to manufacture any upadesa. Whatever is there already spoken by Krsna, you distribute it. You become guru. This is guru. Not that you are fool. Yes, I am fool. But I am not so fool like you that I adulterate. Dr. Patel: No, I... Prabhupada: That's all. Dr. Patel: I am a fool number one. (laughter) Two or three. Like that. (laughter) [break] Prabhupada: ...was a fool. But if we follow Krsna, then even though I am fool, I am right. Just like this child, he's a fool. But if the father says, "My dear child, this is called stick." And when she says, "This is stick," this is right. He may be fool, but the version which is given, that is right. So I may be fool, you may be fool. That's all right. If you carry Krsna's message, then you are right. [break] We are fool. How I have come to this material...? Yes. Mr. Sar: You are not part of the... Unless you are in the realm of maya, you cannot be born as a human being. Prabhupada: Oh yes. [break] ...samutthena sarge yanti... Mr. Sar: Born in the maya. Prabhupada: Yes. Dr. Patel: maya means that thing... [break] Prabhupada: ...that is. That is right. One who says like that, "It is right," he's not in maya. mayam etam taranti te. Dr. Patel: Because He is the maya-maker. Prabhupada: Yes. He is, He says that mam eva ye prapadyante. If you simply speak what Krsna has spoken, then they are not in maya. You are not in maya. Hare Krsna. [break] ...what Krsna says, then you are not in maya. Dr. Patel: That's right. Because He is actually... [break] Prabhupada: ...then he surpasses maya. Dr. Patel: Unless and until you know the madari who makes the web... Prabhupada: But you can know when you surrender to Krsna. [break] So if you are so unintelligent, then it is impossible. But if you have got little intelligence, then you can see Krsna. Because Krsna says... We were explaining that, that "The taste of the water I am." So don't you taste water? So the taste is Krsna. What is the difficulty? Where is the difficulty? Guest (5): Each life being a plan of God, God is responsible... Prabhupada: No, no, first of all try to understand this. Then talk big, big words. You try to understand Krsna by drinking water. Is it very difficult? Guest (5): No. Prabhupada: Then? Guest (5): But it will take millions of years before you understand Him like that... Prabhupada: No, because you won't understand. If you don't understand, then it takes millions of years. Otherwise in a second. Where is the difficulty? Krsna says, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya [bg. 7.8]. "I am the taste of the water." Prabhasmi sasi-suryayoh. So you see the sunshine. This is Krsna. The moonshine is Krsna. First of all try to see Krsna in... There are two kinds of snakes. One snake is poisonless, and another snake is poisonous. So before catching the poisonous snake, you practice to catch the non-poisonous snake. Then gradually, you'll be able. Similarly, Krsna is everywhere, and this is the process to see Krsna. That is a fact. When Krsna says, "I am the taste of the water," that is a fact. So you see this Krsna. Then you will, one day you will realize the Supreme Krsna. There is no difference between this Krsna and that Krsna. This is the purport. [break] ...learn something, you should accept the process. If you don't accept the process, how you can learn? [break] mayy asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan mad-asrayah asamsayam samagram mam yatha jnasyasi tac chrnu [bg. 7.1] Mayy asakta. You just try to increase your attachment for Krsna. And the process is being explained in the Seventh Chapter. That is the only way. [break] ...sun is open to be visible by everyone. And Krsna says, "I am the sunshine." Why do they say

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"If the good ol days were so good, why dont we hold on, and why were we so miserable when we were young as well"

December 17th, 2005 73/10/14 Bombay, Bhagavad-gita 13.20 Pradyumna: Translation: “Material nature and the living entities should be understood to be beginningless. Their transformations and the modes of matter are products of material nature.” Prabhupada: So there were six questions by Arjuna: ksetra, ksetra-jna, jnanam, jneyam, prakrti, purusa. Six questions. So Krsna has already replied what is ksetra, ksetra-jna, and what is the process of knowledge and what is the object of knowledge. Now He is beginning to explain what is this material nature and what is these living entities.

Descriptions of Demons December 17th, 2005 Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura in his Sri Caitanya Siksamrita describes the demons Krishna killed in His Vrindavana pastimes and the anarthas (unwanted things) that they represent. Putana - the pseudo guru Sakatasura (the cart demon) - carrying the burden of a cart-load of old and new bad habits, lethargy and vanity. Trinavarta (the whirlwind demon) - false pride which comes from material scholarship, which leads to bogus philosophies.

No other alternative… December 17th, 2005 In Bhagavad-gita it is said that when Krishna is within our view, at that time one is not disturbed even in the midst of gravest calamity. Anyway, even if we are disturbed, then the only resort is to chant and concentrate one’s mind in Krishna. There is no other alternative. Chanting and dancing make one relieved of all material burdens. >>> Ref. VedaBase => Letter to: Hamsaduta — Hawaii 23 March, 1969

“Goloka, also called Vrindavana, is always full of cows. There are many waterfalls, which are always pouring water, and the sound is so sweet that it covers the sound of the crickets. And because water flows all over, the forest always looks very green and beautiful. “The inhabitants of Vrindavana are never disturbed by the scorching heat of the sun or high summer temperatures. The lakes of Vrindavana are surrounded by green grasses, and various kinds of lotus flowers bloom there. The air blowing in Vrindavana carries the aromatic pollen of those lotus flowers. When the particles of water from the waves of the Yamuna River, the lakes, and the waterfalls touch the bodies of the inhabitants of Vrindavana, they automatically feel a cooling effect. “Vrindavana is such a nice place. Flowers are always blooming, and there are even various kinds of decorated deer. Birds are chirping, peacocks are crowing and dancing, and bees are humming. The cuckoos there sing nicely in five kinds of tunes. “Krishna, the reservoir of pleasure, blowing His flute, accompanied by His elder brother Balarama and the other cowherd boys and the cows, enters the beautiful forest of Vrindavana to enjoy the atmosphere. They walk into the midst of newly grown leaves of trees whose flowers resembled peacock feathers. They are garlanded by those flowers and decorated with saffron chalk. Sometimes they are dancing and singing and sometimes wrestling with one another. While Krishna dances, some of the cowherd boys sing and others played on flutes; some bugle on buffalo horns or clapped their hands, praising Krishna, ‘Dear brother, You are dancing very nicely.’ ” “I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor, who is tending cows yielding all desires in abodes built with spiritual gems and surrounded by millions of purpose trees. He is always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds and thousands of goddesses of fortune.” –Sri Brahma-samhita 5.29

-Birth appearance at midnight of Shravana k8 to Devakee (July 19/20, year 3228 BC) -taken by Vasudeva from Mathuraa to Nanda and Yasodaa in Gokula Untill 3 years -lived in Gokula -killed Pootanaa, Shakataasura, Trinavarta demons 3 - 6 years -moved to Vrindaavana -killed Bakaasura, Aghaasura, Dhenukaasura (Balaraama killed Pralambaasura) -moved to Nandagraama 7-10 years -Brahmaa steals and returns cowherd boys -Govardhana-poojaa -played raasa-leelaa with the gopees -taken to Mathuraa for wrestling match by Akrura -killed Canura (Balaraama killed Mushteeka) -killed His uncle Kamsa (Balaraama killed Kamsa’s brothers) 10-28 years -lived in Mathuraa -intiated with Balaraama into chanting Gaayatree-mantra by Gargamuni -instructed with Balaraama in the sixty four arts by Sandeepaani Muni -protects Mathuraa from many demons 29 - 125 years -establishes kingdom in Dvaarakaa -marriage to Rukminee and 7 principal queens -marriage to 16,100 princesses -161,080 sons born to Krishna -speaks Bhagavad-geetaa at Kurukshetra Battle (~90) (3138 BC) -saves King Pareekshit in the womb -instructs Uddhava 125 years -Disappearance on February 18th 3102 BC -Start of Kali-yuga

by Krishna Das Kaviraj Goswami “I shall try to name the foremost of the innumerable branches. Please hear the description of the Chaitanya tree. At the top of the tree the trunk branched into two. One trunk was named Sri Advaita Prabhu and the other Sri Nityananda Prabhu. From these two trunks grew many branches and sub-branches that covered the entire world. These branches and sub-branches and their sub-branches became so numerous that no one can actually write about them.” “Thus the disciples and the grand-disciples and their admirers spread throughout the entire world, and it is not possible to enumerate them all. Since Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was the original trunk, the taste of the fruits that grew on the branches and sub-branches surpassed the taste of nectar. The fruits ripened and became sweet and nectarean. The gardener, Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, distributed them without asking the price. All the wealth in the three worlds cannot equal the value of one such nectarean fruit of devotional service.” “Not considering who asked for it and who did not, nor who was fit and who unfit to receive it, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu distributed the fruit of devotional service. The transcendental gardener, Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, distributed handful after handful of fruits in all directions, and when the poor hungry people ate the fruit, the gardener smiled with great pleasure. All the parts of this tree are spiritually cognizant, and thus as they grow up they spread all over the world.” “I am the only gardener. How many places can I go ? How many fruits can I pick and distribute ? It would certainly be a very laborious task to pick the fruits and distribute them alone, and still I suspect that some would receive them and others would not. Therefore I order every man within this universe to accept this Krishna Consciousness movement and distribute it everywhere. I am the only gardener. If I do not distribute these fruits, what shall I do with them ? How many fruits can I alone eat ?” 25 “By the transcendental desire of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, water has been sprinkled all over the tree, and thus there are innumerable fruits of love of Godhead. Distribute this Krishna Consciousness movement all over the world. Let people eat these fruits and ultimately become free from old age and death. If the fruits are distributed all over the world, My reputation as a pious man will be known everywhere, and thus all people will glorify My name with great pleasure. One who has taken his birth as a human being in the land of India (Bharata-varsa) should make his life successful and work for the benefit of all other people. It is the duty of every living being to perform welfare activities for the benefit of others with his life, wealth, intelligence, and words. By his work, thoughts and words, an intelligent man must perform actions which will be beneficial for all living entities in this life and in the next.” “I am merely a gardener. I have neither a kingdom nor very great riches. I simply have some fruits and flowers that I wish to utilize to achieve piety in My life. Although I am acting as a gardener, I also want to be the tree, for thus I can bestow benefit upon all. Just see how these trees are maintaining every living entity ! Their birth is successful. Their behavior is just like that of great personalities, for anyone who asks anything from a tree never goes away disappointed.” “The descendants of the tree (the devotees of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu) were very glad to receive this order directly from the Lord. The fruit of love of God is so tasteful that wherever a devotee distributes it, those who relish the fruit, anywhere in the world, immediately become intoxicated. The fruit of love of Godhead distributed by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is such a great intoxicant that anyone who eats it, filling his belly, immediately becomes maddened by it, and automatically he chants, dances, laughs and enjoys. When Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, the great gardener, sees that people are chanting, dancing and laughing and that some of them are rolling on the floor and some are making loud humming sounds, He smiles with great pleasure.” “The great gardener, Lord Chaitanya, personally eats this fruit, and as a result He constantly remains mad, as if helpless and bewildered. With His saõkîrtana movement the Lord made everyone mad like Himself. We do not find anyone who was not intoxicated by His saõkîrtana movement. Persons who had formerly criticized Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, calling Him a drunkard, also ate the fruit and began to dance, saying, “Very good ! Very good !” “After describing the Lords distribution of the fruit of love of Godhead I now wish to describe the different branches of the tree of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.” (Chaitanya Charitamrita, 1.9.20-55)

OR THE SCIENCE OF SEVEN CULTURES For Quick Evolution of the Human Being By Sri Swami Sivananda INTRODUCTION (a) An ounce of practice is better than tons of theory. Practice Yoga, Religion and Philosophy in daily life and attain Self-realization. (b)These thirty-two instructions give the essence of the Eternal Religion (Sanatana Dharma) in its purest form. They are suitable for modern busy householders with fixed hours of work. Modify them to suit your convenience and increase the period gradually. © In the beginning take only a few practicable resolves which form a small but definite advance over your present habits and character. In case of ill-health, pressure of work or unavoidable engagements replace your active Sadhana (spiritual practice) by frequent remembrance of God. HEALTH CULTURE 1. Eat moderately. Take light and simple food. Offer it to God before you eat. Have a balanced diet. 2. Avoid spicy and hot foods, like chilies, garlic, onions, tamarind, etc., as far as possible. Give up tea, coffee, smoking, betels, meat and wine entirely. 3. Fast on Ekadasi days or once in a fortnight. Take milk, fruits or roots only. 4. Practice Yoga Asana (Hatha Yoga exercises) or physical exercises for 15 to 30 minutes every day. Take a long walk or play some vigorous games daily. -- ENERGY CULTURE 5. Observe silence (Mouna) for 2 hours daily and 4 to 8 hours on Sundays. 6. Observe celibacy according to your age and circumstances. Restrict the indulgence to once a month. Decrease it gradually to once a year. Finally take a vow of abstinence for whole life. ETHICAL CULTURE 7. Speak the TRUTH. Speak little. Speak kindly. Speak sweetly. 8. Do not injure anyone in thought, word or deed. Be kind to all. 9. Be sincere, straightforward and open-hearted in your talks and dealings. 10. Be honest. Earn by the sweat of your brow. Do not accept any money, things or favour unless earned lawfully. Develop nobility and integrity. 11. Control fits of anger by serenity, patience, love, mercy and tolerance. Forget and forgive. Adapt yourself to men and events. WILL CULTURE 12. Live without sugar for a week or month. Give up salt on Sundays. 13. Give up cards, novels, cinemas and clubs. Fly from evil company. Avoid discussions with materialists. Do not mix with persons who have no faith in God or who criticize your Sadhana (spiritual practices). 14. HEART CULTURE 15. Doing good to others is the highest religion. Do some selfless service for a few hours every week, without egoism or expectation of reward. Do your worldly duties in the same spirit. Work is worship. Dedicate it to God. 16. Give 2 to 10 percent of your income in charity every month. Share what you have with others. Let the world be your family. Remove selfishness. 17. Be humble and prostrate yourself to all beings mentally. Feel the Divine Presence everywhere. Give up vanity, pride and hypocrisy. 18. Have unwavering faith in God, the Bhagavad-Gita and your Guru. Make a total self-surrender to God and pray: "Thy Will be done; I want nothing." Submit to the Divine Will in all events and happenings with equanimity. 19. See God in all beings and love them as your own Self. Do not hate anyone. 20. Remember God at all times or, at least, on rising from bed, during a pause in work and before going to bed. Keep a Mala (rosary) in your pocket. -- PSYCHIC CULTURE 21. Study one chapter or ten to twenty-five verses of the Gita or your scriptures with meaning, daily. Learn the original language of your scripture, at least sufficient to understand it in original. 22. Memorize important and inspiring portions of your sacred scripture according to your capacity. Memorize also any inspiring quotations from other spiritual books. Keep a pocket version your scripture with you at all times. 23. Read the Ramayana, the Bible, the Quran, the Bhagavata, the Upanishads, the Yogavasishtha or other religious books daily without fail. Study more during holidays. 24. Attend religious meetings and seek Satsanga (company) with saints at every opportunity. If not, create opportunities. Listen to spiritual discourses from learned and holy people. If possible, organize such functions on Sundays or holidays. 25. Visit a temple or place of worship daily. Preferably before you leave and upon your return from work, even if only for 5 or 10 minutes. 26. Spend holidays and leave-periods, when possible, in the company of saints or practice Sadhana at holy places in seclusion. -- SPIRITUAL CULTURE 27. Go to bed early. Get up at four o'clock. Answer calls of nature, clean your mouth and take a bath. 28. Recite some prayers and Kirtan Dhvanis (devotional songs). Practice Pranayama (breathing exercises), Japa (repetition of the Divine Name of God) and meditation in the early morning. Sit on Padma, Siddha, or Sukha Asana throughout, without movement, by gradual practice. While you meditate, forget the outside world totally. Gradually increase the period of meditation. 29. Perform the daily prayers of your religion. Do not fail to fulfil your obligatory duties. 30. Write your favourite Mantra or Name of God in a notebook for ten to thirty minutes, daily. 31. Sing the Names of God (Kirtan) and pray for half to one hour at night with family and friends. 32. Make annual resolves on the above lines. Regularity, tenacity and fixity are essential. Record your Sadhana in a spiritual diary daily. Review it every month and correct your failures.

Questions and Answers from Swami B.A. Paramadvaiti are online on AskTheSwami.org: Question: Why did it take so long for me to get the grace of Sri Krishna Chaitanya? Are we actually so bad that we have to stay here for so long? Or is it more a sad story about us, the little fallen souls? At the same time this question is a little bit stupid, because I think I got some grace from Sri Chaitanya; otherwise I could not write His Name. I find that paradoxical, but I know that I am not in full knowledge either. Do you have any thoughts about that rather uncomfortably situation? My practical life doesn't seem to come along with the knowledge I recieved. Answer: Spiritual life is all about developing transzendental love. There was a great yogi who underwent severe austerities for many many decades. One day, when Narada Muni passed by, the yogi said: 'Narada Muni, so nice to meet you. Where are you going?' 'I am going to visit Visnu', replied Narada Muni. 'Really?', wondered the yogi, 'you are able to visit Visnu? How did you do that?' 'It was a blessing, Visnu gave me this instrument, a vina, and I am able to travel on the sound of that instrument', answered Narada Muni. Then the yogi asked: 'Can you do me a favour please? When you meet Visnu, please tell Him that there is a yogi who has been performing hard austerities for a long time. How many births will he have to take in this world until he reaches perfection?' Narada Muni said: 'Yes, I will ask Visnu for you, don't worry.' Then Narada Muni went on and a little later he met a craftsman sitting in a meadow and doing his work. It was a simple and very poor man. The craftsman saw Narada Muni, offered his obeisances and asked: 'Oh, Narada Muni, please give me your blessings. Where are you going?' 'I am going to visit Visnu', replied Narada Muni. 'Visnu? You are able to visit Visnu? Wow. Can you do me a favour please?', asked the craftsman, 'How much more time do I have to stay in this world and suffer?' Narada Muni answered:'Yes, no problem. I will ask Visnu.' So Narada Muni went to Visnu and told Him the story of the two persons. Visnu spoke: 'When you see them again, they will ask you what I have been doing. Tell them I was pushing an elefant through the eye of a needle. And depending on their reaction you will know my answer for them.' Narada Muni was pretty much surprised by this information but whatever Visnu says He would do. The next time Narada Muni passed by our yogi, the yogi received him: 'Narada Muni, what a fortune to meet you again. Did you meet Visnu?' 'Yes', replied Narada Muni. 'And, did you ask Visnu?', the yogi wanted to know. 'Yes', said Narada Muni. 'And what did Visnu do?', asked the yogi impatiently. 'He was pushing an elefant through the eye of a needle', was the answer of Narada Muni. Then the yogi uttered: 'Come on Narada, stop telling jokes. I am a serious yogi. Don't tell me such ridiculous stories. Is there nothing reasonable you can tell me?' 'Well, yes', said Narada Muni, 'there is a message for you: you will still have to spend thousands of lives here in this world before you can reach perfection.' After that Narada Muni continued his travel and met the craftsman again. The craftsman was very happy to see Narada Muni and spoke: 'Oh, Narada Muni, you are back already. Did you see Visnu? Did you ask Him? What has Visnu been doing when you met Him?' Narada Muni responded: 'Visnu was pushing an elefant through the eye of a needle.' 'Oh', said the craftsman, 'that is fantastic. I could never have imagined something like that. That is wonderful.' Astonished Narada Muni looked at the craftsman and asked: 'My dear craftsman, do you believe that story? Who could possibly push an elefant through the eye of a needle?' The craftsman replied: 'Ah, what do you think? Do you see that huge Banyan tree over there? It was in a tiny little seed and now it produces millions of seeds itself every year. If the Lord can put such a large tree in such a small seed, why should He not be able to push an elefant through the eye of a needle? That really would be nothing for Him.' Then Narada Muni responded: 'Well, I have also a message for you, dear craftsman: right after leaving this body you will go back to home, back to Godhead.' So this is the crucial point. It is not a question of knowledge but a question of realization and good faith. All the rules, regulations and good advice in the Vedic scriptures help us to become established in the mode of goodness. But the actual goal of live is to develop real service, real love for the Lord. That is only possible by the mercy of the Lord himself. What we can do is to accept a spiritual master, who is experienced in Vedic knowledge, engage our senses in his devotional service and spread the glories of the Lord by chanting the Holy Names of the Lord. That will clean our consciousness from all material impurities, and we will become established in goodness. It will enable us to come closer to the perfection of a living being: to reestablish the forgotten relationship with God.

Is Guru Diksha necessary? Does Guru Diksha has many forms? One can learn even without Diksha. Then why is Guru Diksha so important? What is the relation between Guru and a disciple like and how does it start? What is the disciple’s duty towards the Guru? Can the Guru be one’s deity? If a husband and a wife both take Diksha from the same Guru then does that make them brother and sister? When there are so strict tests to test a disciple then are there tests for a Guru too? Can a disciple who has had Diksha from one Guru get Diksha from another Guru? Would this be a sin?

The queen of Vrindavana, Her Mercy is a must in order to secure a place at the lotus feet of Sri Krsna.

The forms of the Lord, the Deity of Sri Krsna As He Is without the dross of material comntamination. May He kindly appear on the lotus of my heart and the altar of my mind. Why does Krsna not appear in my home as arca-vigraha as Hea has appeared as His Holy Name and the sadhu who carries Krsna in His heart always?

"So vasudeva-katha ruci (Bhag. 1.2.16). People should be educated how to increase their taste for understanding Krishna." Sweet immortal elixir taken through the ears as vasudeva-katha ruci...Krsna sound coming from Krsna bhakta.

Ahmadinejad, former Revolutionary Guard, former mayor of Tehran, current president of the Islamic Republic, couldn't be topped by any screenwriter in his capacity to provoke widespread horror movie reaction in the Christian West for his remarks about Israel. It's the third time he's done it since his election in June. And once again, all over the Muslim world, the silence is as thunderous as the new digital King Kong's roar.

Here's the answer that one rahul bishwas gave: Quite apart from this, a side point is that Vaishnavas in general are not obsessed with this kind of mystical communion with God. They are more interested simply in serving God and purifying their hearts. Their confidence is that the Lord will manifest Himself before them when they become qualified, drawn by their devotion. Even the six gosvamis, who were all pure devotees and liberated souls, and could enter into Krishna's pastimes in meditation, never claimed that they saw Krishna. Rather, in a humble mood, they were always praying to the Lord, desiring for that day to come when they would be fortunate enough to see Krishna. Or, as one of our previous acharyas, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, would instruct: "Don't try to see Krishna. Rather, you should conduct your life in such a way that Krishna will want to see you!"

"As Krsna is living eternally, similarly, living being also lives eternally. But kirtir yasya sa jivati: One who does service to the Lord lives forever.' So you have been taught to serve Krsna, and with Krsna we'll live eternally. Our life is eternal. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire. A temporary disappearance of this body, it doesn't matter. Body is meant for disappearance. Tatha dehantara-praptih. So live forever by serving Krsna. Thank you very much." (Srila Prabhupada conversation, May 17, 1977)

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