Shirdi Sai Baba - Specially for Lakshmi

Vighati Lagna can not be in Leo besides what you have come up with.

 

 

-

Jyotisa Shisya

sohamsa

Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:25 PM

Shirdi Sai Baba - Specially for Lakshmi

 

om gam gajavaktraaya namah

 

Dear Smt Lakshmi, namaskarams!

 

I present for your keen analysis, a chart of Shirdi Sai Baba attached along with this mail.

 

Details revealed by Sri Satya Sai Baba DOB: September 28, 1838, TOB unknown Time was fixed by me based on nimitta. Prasna navamsa lagna is Ta which means earthy signs or Sc are possible lagnas. Chart has Sc Lagna rising. Born under a banyan tree in the jungle near the village of Pathri in the Nizams dominion. Abandoned by both parents (devout Hindus) Found and raised by a Sufi saint in a neighbouring village before being handed over to a pandita called Venkusha by the Sufi saint's wife after the death of the Sufi saint.

I also welcome the learned scholars comments on this chart.

 

regards

Hari

 

om namo bhagavate vasudevayaDear Hari

There was nothing secretive about Shirdi Baba. His life was an open book and he was far too straight forward - the kind that would be Sagittarius lagna. However in this group we have a very funny astrologer guru from Serbia who also has dhanus lagna with guru and ketu in 10th house, so I am unable to accept Dhanus lagna as well.

Saurav's point about Siva yoga is well taken, but I don't think Shirdi Baba had any scholarship of any kind or did he? Please correct me.With best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath* * *Sri Jagannath Center®15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, Indiahttp://srath.com, +91-11-25717162* * *

 

-

Jyotisa Shisya

sohamsa

Monday, November 14, 2005 9:55 AM

Shirdi Sai Baba - Specially for Lakshmi

 

om gam gajavaktraaya namah

 

Dear Smt Lakshmi, namaskarams!

 

I present for your keen analysis, a chart of Shirdi Sai Baba attached along with this mail.

 

Details revealed by Sri Satya Sai Baba DOB: September 28, 1838, TOB unknown Time was fixed by me based on nimitta. Prasna navamsa lagna is Ta which means earthy signs or Sc are possible lagnas. Chart has Sc Lagna rising. Born under a banyan tree in the jungle near the village of Pathri in the Nizams dominion. Abandoned by both parents (devout Hindus) Found and raised by a Sufi saint in a neighbouring village before being handed over to a pandita called Venkusha by the Sufi saint's wife after the death of the Sufi saint.

I also welcome the learned scholars comments on this chart.

 

regards

Hari

 

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Sanjay-ji, Pranaam. To me, with my very limited understanding, Siva yoga seems to indicate the level of maturity of Jeevatman and not perhaps scholarship in the pedantic sense. Such a soul with such a strong Siva yoga from Kaarakaamsa is like the mouth of a spring near the surface of the earth -- a slight hint will enable them to issue forth the sping of water (knowledge). Kindly teach me.However, it all depends on the accuracy of the date and time. I am keenly following this discussion.Best regards,Sourav============================================================================sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote:>> > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya> Dear Hari> There was nothing secretive about Shirdi Baba. His life was an open book and he was far too straight forward - the kind that would be Sagittarius lagna. However in this group we have a very funny astrologer guru from Serbia who also has dhanus lagna with guru and ketu in 10th house, so I am unable to accept Dhanus lagna as well.> Saurav's point about Siva yoga is well taken, but I don't think Shirdi Baba had any scholarship of any kind or did he? Please correct me.> With best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> * * *> Sri Jagannath Center®> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162> * * *> - > Jyotisa Shisya > sohamsa > Monday, November 14, 2005 9:55 AM> Shirdi Sai Baba - Specially for Lakshmi> > > om gam gajavaktraaya namah> > Dear Smt Lakshmi, namaskarams!> > I present for your keen analysis, a chart of Shirdi Sai Baba attached along with this mail.> a.. Details revealed by Sri Satya Sai Baba > b.. DOB: September 28, 1838, TOB unknown > c.. Time was fixed by me based on nimitta. Prasna navamsa lagna is Ta which means earthy signs or Sc are possible lagnas. Chart has Sc Lagna rising. > d.. Born under a banyan tree in the jungle near the village of Pathri in the Nizams dominion. > e.. Abandoned by both parents (devout Hindus) > f.. Found and raised by a Sufi saint in a neighbouring village before being handed over to a pandita called Venkusha by the Sufi saint's wife after the death of the Sufi saint.> I also welcome the learned scholars comments on this chart.> > regards> Hari> > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > >

Hare Rama Krishna

 

PRanam Guruji,

 

Sorry to but in, but regarding ShivaYoga in Baba's chart, my

understanding is, ShivYoga will indicates His knowledge akin to

Shiva i.e. of Guru , who we describe as " Kevalam Gyaanmurtim "

and " Triguna Rahitam " having the knowledge of " Satya " . And if I'm

not wrong Shri SaiBaba is well known for same reason !! Do this

knoweldge needs scholarship?

 

Secondly Baba is knowing Ayurveda and gives sonamukhi, etc to many

people besides his vibhutii initially but along with some

restrictions on diet. A Vaidya of shirdi (Kulkarni) don't like this

and done some mischief with faith of innocent people, which is like

inviting the death and hence Baba started to use Vibhutii as

medicine. But who knows what he puts in to his Dhoonii to made his

Vibhutii???

 

Secondly his dear shishya DasGanu Maharaj have mentioned in

ShriGajananvijay Grantha (of Shri Gajanan Maharaj of

Shegaon/Shivagaon) that Baba followed Gyaanmarga.

 

I think this can't be achieved without Shivayoga and yours

mentioned " Scholarship " !!

 

These are just free thoughts and pls correct me where ever I'm wrong.

 

Pranam,

 

Vinay P

 

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji@s...> wrote:

>

>

> om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> Dear Hari

> There was nothing secretive about Shirdi Baba. His life was an

open book and he was far too straight forward - the kind that would

be Sagittarius lagna. However in this group we have a very funny

astrologer guru from Serbia who also has dhanus lagna with guru and

ketu in 10th house, so I am unable to accept Dhanus lagna as well.

> Saurav's point about Siva yoga is well taken, but I don't think

Shirdi Baba had any scholarship of any kind or did he? Please

correct me.

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath Center®

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> * * *

> -

> Jyotisa Shisya

> sohamsa

> Monday, November 14, 2005 9:55 AM

> Shirdi Sai Baba - Specially for Lakshmi

>

>

> om gam gajavaktraaya namah

>

> Dear Smt Lakshmi, namaskarams!

>

> I present for your keen analysis, a chart of Shirdi Sai Baba

attached along with this mail.

> a.. Details revealed by Sri Satya Sai Baba

> b.. DOB: September 28, 1838, TOB unknown

> c.. Time was fixed by me based on nimitta. Prasna navamsa

lagna is Ta which means earthy signs or Sc are possible lagnas.

Chart has Sc Lagna rising.

> d.. Born under a banyan tree in the jungle near the village of

Pathri in the Nizams dominion.

> e.. Abandoned by both parents (devout Hindus)

> f.. Found and raised by a Sufi saint in a neighbouring village

before being handed over to a pandita called Venkusha by the Sufi

saint's wife after the death of the Sufi saint.

> I also welcome the learned scholars comments on this chart.

>

> regards

> Hari

>

>

>

>

> *tat savitur varenyam*

>

>

>

>

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Guruji, Sourav ji and Vinay ji,

 

Indeed Sai baba is widely known for his Brahma / atma

gynana and known for his healing powers too. There are

instances given in Sai Satcharitra where Baba had

prescribed totally unheard of and improbable

medications for certain diseases and still managed to

cure the Ill. It is also stated that the same remedy

failed to work for the same person, when applied

without Baba's blessings. The healing happened because

Baba willed it so and not because of the medications

he prescribed. It is because of his tremendous

Vak-suddhi.

 

I would look at moon, (2nd lord from chandra lagna)

his AK for his healing powers as moon rules oshadhis

and at Venus,the mrityunjaya, his 2nd and 9th lord

from lagna. Moon is vargottama, as is Venus. Venus is

combined with Mercury, lord of Karakamsa, in navamsa.

There is a gyana yoga listed by Dr. Raman, which says

that if the 2nd lord is in the navamsa of Mercury the

man becomes a versatile genius. Ofcourse, he also says

that Jupiter and Venus should be in kendras. In Baba's

chart Jupiter and Venus are not in kendras from

lagna/moon, but they are in kendras from each other.

This is also the 9th house from AK and is the house of

Dharma devata. Kumbha also contains A8. It also

indicates, being co-lorded by Rahu and Saturn, the

seamless integration of hindu and muslim philosophies

that Baba remarkably achieved and adopted as his

dharma. I also urge you to look at the

vimsamsa...kumbha is where Moon(AK) is placed and it

is the 2nd house.

 

Talking of shuddhi also brings us to the topic of

yoga. Baba was a master of yoga and his great gynana

and powers are a direct manifestation of his supremacy

of

yogic practices. Sai Satcharitra relates Baba

practising " dhouti " , a yogic ritual where even the

internal organs, like lungs and intestines are

thoroughly cleaned. In the Dhyana sloka preambling

" Devi Khadgamala " , Mother is described as

" Dhoutaa " ...meaning one who is extremely pure. The

very next name that follows is " Trinetrojwalaam "

....indicating that great vision/knowledge/power

follows internal shuddhi. I am sure Baba, who is

revered as " Yogi Raja " , wanted to ram home this point.

 

In Baba's chart, Saturn, his 5th lord, is in scorpio,

and this combination is a sure sign of yogic siddhi,

other features in the horoscope supporting it. This

can be seen in the horoscope of Satya Sai Baba and Sri

Krishna too. In the D-16, D-20 and D-24 charts, one

can see Saturn directly involved with combined

nodes...and I found during my humble researches that

such planets direct/disposit the kundalini power of

the individual.

 

The Sun-Jupiter parivartana/sambandha also indicates

knowledge of Bhagavad gita as demonstrated by Baba.

 

BTW, there is an important " brick " in Baba's life.

when the brick broke, Baba interpreted it as a sign to

shed his body. The brick is supposed to have been

given by Venkusa to Baba, who remained very attached

to it. Is Mars the karaka for the " brick " ?

 

Just a few thoughts of mine. Sorry for burdening you

all with my long mail.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

--- vinaypatwardhan <vinaypatwardhan wrote:

 

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> PRanam Guruji,

>

> Sorry to but in, but regarding ShivaYoga in Baba's

> chart, my

> understanding is, ShivYoga will indicates His

> knowledge akin to

> Shiva i.e. of Guru , who we describe as " Kevalam

> Gyaanmurtim "

> and " Triguna Rahitam " having the knowledge of

> " Satya " . And if I'm

> not wrong Shri SaiBaba is well known for same reason

> !! Do this

> knoweldge needs scholarship?

>

> Secondly Baba is knowing Ayurveda and gives

> sonamukhi, etc to many

> people besides his vibhutii initially but along with

> some

> restrictions on diet. A Vaidya of shirdi (Kulkarni)

> don't like this

> and done some mischief with faith of innocent

> people, which is like

> inviting the death and hence Baba started to use

> Vibhutii as

> medicine. But who knows what he puts in to his

> Dhoonii to made his

> Vibhutii???

>

> Secondly his dear shishya DasGanu Maharaj have

> mentioned in

> ShriGajananvijay Grantha (of Shri Gajanan Maharaj of

>

> Shegaon/Shivagaon) that Baba followed Gyaanmarga.

>

> I think this can't be achieved without Shivayoga and

> yours

> mentioned " Scholarship " !!

>

> These are just free thoughts and pls correct me

> where ever I'm wrong.

>

> Pranam,

>

> Vinay P

>

> sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath "

> <guruji@s...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> > Dear Hari

> > There was nothing secretive about Shirdi Baba. His

> life was an

> open book and he was far too straight forward - the

> kind that would

> be Sagittarius lagna. However in this group we have

> a very funny

> astrologer guru from Serbia who also has dhanus

> lagna with guru and

> ketu in 10th house, so I am unable to accept Dhanus

> lagna as well.

> > Saurav's point about Siva yoga is well taken, but

> I don't think

> Shirdi Baba had any scholarship of any kind or did

> he? Please

> correct me.

> > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

> > * * *

> > Sri Jagannath Center®

> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > New Delhi 110060, India

> > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> > * * *

> > -

> > Jyotisa Shisya

> > sohamsa

> > Monday, November 14, 2005 9:55 AM

> > Shirdi Sai Baba - Specially

> for Lakshmi

> >

> >

> > om gam gajavaktraaya namah

> >

> > Dear Smt Lakshmi, namaskarams!

> >

> > I present for your keen analysis, a chart of

> Shirdi Sai Baba

> attached along with this mail.

> > a.. Details revealed by Sri Satya Sai Baba

> > b.. DOB: September 28, 1838, TOB unknown

> > c.. Time was fixed by me based on nimitta.

> Prasna navamsa

> lagna is Ta which means earthy signs or Sc are

> possible lagnas.

> Chart has Sc Lagna rising.

> > d.. Born under a banyan tree in the jungle

> near the village of

> Pathri in the Nizams dominion.

> > e.. Abandoned by both parents (devout Hindus)

> > f.. Found and raised by a Sufi saint in a

> neighbouring village

> before being handed over to a pandita called

> Venkusha by the Sufi

> saint's wife after the death of the Sufi saint.

> > I also welcome the learned scholars comments on

> this chart.

> >

> > regards

> > Hari

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > *tat savitur varenyam*

> >

> >

> >

> >

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear All,

 

I forgot to mention, that Saturn is both the 5 & 6th lord,(also lord of

a8), and is in the 3rd house and the 3rd lord Mars is with Mercury,

(lagna/Moon lord) and aspects the lagna. Isn't that a dhimanta

yoga..in a roundabout way? But then, that had been Baba's persona all

along...outwardly a humble fakir, but inwardly a great gynani.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh>

wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Guruji, Sourav ji and Vinay ji,

>

> Indeed Sai baba is widely known for his Brahma / atma

> gynana and known for his healing powers too. There are

> instances given in Sai Satcharitra where Baba had

> prescribed totally unheard of and improbable

> medications for certain diseases and still managed to

> cure the Ill. It is also stated that the same remedy

> failed to work for the same person, when applied

> without Baba's blessings. The healing happened because

> Baba willed it so and not because of the medications

> he prescribed. It is because of his tremendous

> Vak-suddhi.

>

> I would look at moon, (2nd lord from chandra lagna)

> his AK for his healing powers as moon rules oshadhis

> and at Venus,the mrityunjaya, his 2nd and 9th lord

> from lagna. Moon is vargottama, as is Venus. Venus is

> combined with Mercury, lord of Karakamsa, in navamsa.

> There is a gyana yoga listed by Dr. Raman, which says

> that if the 2nd lord is in the navamsa of Mercury the

> man becomes a versatile genius. Ofcourse, he also says

> that Jupiter and Venus should be in kendras. In Baba's

> chart Jupiter and Venus are not in kendras from

> lagna/moon, but they are in kendras from each other.

> This is also the 9th house from AK and is the house of

> Dharma devata. Kumbha also contains A8. It also

> indicates, being co-lorded by Rahu and Saturn, the

> seamless integration of hindu and muslim philosophies

> that Baba remarkably achieved and adopted as his

> dharma. I also urge you to look at the

> vimsamsa...kumbha is where Moon(AK) is placed and it

> is the 2nd house.

>

> Talking of shuddhi also brings us to the topic of

> yoga. Baba was a master of yoga and his great gynana

> and powers are a direct manifestation of his supremacy

> of

> yogic practices. Sai Satcharitra relates Baba

> practising " dhouti " , a yogic ritual where even the

> internal organs, like lungs and intestines are

> thoroughly cleaned. In the Dhyana sloka preambling

> " Devi Khadgamala " , Mother is described as

> " Dhoutaa " ...meaning one who is extremely pure. The

> very next name that follows is " Trinetrojwalaam "

> ...indicating that great vision/knowledge/power

> follows internal shuddhi. I am sure Baba, who is

> revered as " Yogi Raja " , wanted to ram home this point.

>

> In Baba's chart, Saturn, his 5th lord, is in scorpio,

> and this combination is a sure sign of yogic siddhi,

> other features in the horoscope supporting it. This

> can be seen in the horoscope of Satya Sai Baba and Sri

> Krishna too. In the D-16, D-20 and D-24 charts, one

> can see Saturn directly involved with combined

> nodes...and I found during my humble researches that

> such planets direct/disposit the kundalini power of

> the individual.

>

> The Sun-Jupiter parivartana/sambandha also indicates

> knowledge of Bhagavad gita as demonstrated by Baba.

>

> BTW, there is an important " brick " in Baba's life.

> when the brick broke, Baba interpreted it as a sign to

> shed his body. The brick is supposed to have been

> given by Venkusa to Baba, who remained very attached

> to it. Is Mars the karaka for the " brick " ?

>

> Just a few thoughts of mine. Sorry for burdening you

> all with my long mail.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

> --- vinaypatwardhan <vinaypatwardhan> wrote:

>

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > PRanam Guruji,

> >

> > Sorry to but in, but regarding ShivaYoga in Baba's

> > chart, my

> > understanding is, ShivYoga will indicates His

> > knowledge akin to

> > Shiva i.e. of Guru , who we describe as " Kevalam

> > Gyaanmurtim "

> > and " Triguna Rahitam " having the knowledge of

> > " Satya " . And if I'm

> > not wrong Shri SaiBaba is well known for same reason

> > !! Do this

> > knoweldge needs scholarship?

> >

> > Secondly Baba is knowing Ayurveda and gives

> > sonamukhi, etc to many

> > people besides his vibhutii initially but along with

> > some

> > restrictions on diet. A Vaidya of shirdi (Kulkarni)

> > don't like this

> > and done some mischief with faith of innocent

> > people, which is like

> > inviting the death and hence Baba started to use

> > Vibhutii as

> > medicine. But who knows what he puts in to his

> > Dhoonii to made his

> > Vibhutii???

> >

> > Secondly his dear shishya DasGanu Maharaj have

> > mentioned in

> > ShriGajananvijay Grantha (of Shri Gajanan Maharaj of

> >

> > Shegaon/Shivagaon) that Baba followed Gyaanmarga.

> >

> > I think this can't be achieved without Shivayoga and

> > yours

> > mentioned " Scholarship " !!

> >

> > These are just free thoughts and pls correct me

> > where ever I'm wrong.

> >

> > Pranam,

> >

> > Vinay P

> >

> > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath "

> > <guruji@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> > > Dear Hari

> > > There was nothing secretive about Shirdi Baba. His

> > life was an

> > open book and he was far too straight forward - the

> > kind that would

> > be Sagittarius lagna. However in this group we have

> > a very funny

> > astrologer guru from Serbia who also has dhanus

> > lagna with guru and

> > ketu in 10th house, so I am unable to accept Dhanus

> > lagna as well.

> > > Saurav's point about Siva yoga is well taken, but

> > I don't think

> > Shirdi Baba had any scholarship of any kind or did

> > he? Please

> > correct me.

> > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > * * *

> > > Sri Jagannath Center®

> > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> > > * * *

> > > -

> > > Jyotisa Shisya

> > > sohamsa

> > > Monday, November 14, 2005 9:55 AM

> > > Shirdi Sai Baba - Specially

> > for Lakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > > om gam gajavaktraaya namah

> > >

> > > Dear Smt Lakshmi, namaskarams!

> > >

> > > I present for your keen analysis, a chart of

> > Shirdi Sai Baba

> > attached along with this mail.

> > > a.. Details revealed by Sri Satya Sai Baba

> > > b.. DOB: September 28, 1838, TOB unknown

> > > c.. Time was fixed by me based on nimitta.

> > Prasna navamsa

> > lagna is Ta which means earthy signs or Sc are

> > possible lagnas.

> > Chart has Sc Lagna rising.

> > > d.. Born under a banyan tree in the jungle

> > near the village of

> > Pathri in the Nizams dominion.

> > > e.. Abandoned by both parents (devout Hindus)

> > > f.. Found and raised by a Sufi saint in a

> > neighbouring village

> > before being handed over to a pandita called

> > Venkusha by the Sufi

> > saint's wife after the death of the Sufi saint.

> > > I also welcome the learned scholars comments on

> > this chart.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > Hari

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > *tat savitur varenyam*

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

||om gam gajavaktraaya namah||

 

Dear Sanjay & Smt Lakshmi, namaste & pranaams.

 

Lakshmi: The source of my information as can be expected is an English version of Guru Charitra published by Jaico which I picked up at a book exhibition recently. Some points:-

 

Information revealed by Sri Satya Sai Baba. Any reason to doubt it and prefer Rama Navami instead?

It looks like you favor the Rama Navami version with Virgo Lagna.

In Sep 28, 1838 version (Scorpio Lagna), you second-guessed me by pointing out that Mars in AL is probably indicative of his sudden bouts of anger.

Do you think that Saturn in Scorpio Lagna (Brahmana yoga?) is a better indication of the link between Sri Satya Sai and Sri Shirdi Sai? Other points such as UL etc. will revert later.

 

Sanjay: Besides the funny jyotisa guru from Serbia, do you know a fellow called Sarajit Poddar? For a Dhanus lagna person, he is a past master at hiding his true feelings. Compared to him, I with Scorpio Lagna, am an open book!!!

 

 

Ramadas' email on this topic is another nimitta that Scorpio Lagna should be seriously considered. This is in addition to the nimitta that I observed.

Consider the African villages or kraals...some village elder is often entrusted with the task of teaching the children there. Would you then say that the children have no education?

 

As per Guru Charitra, Shirdi Sai Baba is considered to be an incarnation of Dattatreya and in a lineage starting from Dattatreya. Sripad Vallabha --> Narasimha Saraswati ---> Akalkot Maharaj ---> Shirdi Sai Baba ---> Satya Sai Baba ---> Prem Sai Baba. Does the Siva yoga fit here?

 

Shirdi Sai was brought up by a Sufi Fakir and later at the ashram of a learned pandita called Venkusha. Can you say then that he had no education?

What do you mean by saying that his life was an open book? Nobody in Shirdi knew where he came from, how he was born, his Guru etc. He was given to towering fits of rage during which time no one dared to approach him. He often talked in riddles, the meaning of which was understood only by the person whom Baba intended it for.

 

As pointed out by Lakshmi, he demonstrated knowledge of the scriptures (Koran and Bhagavad Gita) whenever it was called for.

He was a trikalagyani.

Please educate and correct me.

 

regards

Hari

 

On 11/14/05, Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote:

 

 

om namo bhagavate vasudevayaDear Hari

There was nothing secretive about Shirdi Baba. His life was an open book and he was far too straight forward - the kind that would be Sagittarius lagna. However in this group we have a very funny astrologer guru from Serbia who also has dhanus lagna with guru and ketu in 10th house, so I am unable to accept Dhanus lagna as well.

 

Saurav's point about Siva yoga is well taken, but I don't think Shirdi Baba had any scholarship of any kind or did he? Please correct me.With best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Hari,

 

Hari: - Information revealed by Sri Satya Sai Baba.

Any reason to doubt it and prefer Rama Navami

instead?

 

Lakshmi: Me doubting the info given by Satya Sai! My

observation is based on a book i read in Telugu(I can

give the correct reference when i go to Hyderabad,

because I left the book there at my home). Further,

Sri Ramanavami is celebrated in Shirdi and every year

a wheat bag (100kgs)is kept aside and it would be

exchanged for a new one on the Ramanavami day. The

wheat in the old bag is distributed. you can still see

the bag enclosed in a glass case in Shirdi.

 

I have not observed Aswayuja shukla navami being

celebrated in Shirdi. I have not come across any such

reference also in Sai satcharitra. The important day

during dassehra is Vijayadasami day when Baba left his

body.

 

Hari: - It looks like you favor the Rama Navami

version with Virgo Lagna.

 

Lakshmi: I do, because virgo lagna, with its earthy

flavour and emphasis on purity, especially with Ketu

in it, indicates to Baba to me. There is a debate

whether the nodes can participate in Parivrajya yoga,

but I to the view that if the nodes, the

very cause of rebirth, are involved in spiritual

yogas, then there is nothing better.

 

Hari: - In Sep 28, 1838 version (Scorpio Lagna), you

> second-guessed me by pointing out that Mars in AL

is probably indicative of his sudden bouts of anger.

 

Lakshmi: My feeling is that Moon as AK itself can

bestow that kind of behaviour...waxing and waning.

Baba's words (only words)were occasionally harsh and

fiery...but only when he wanted to teach/correct. But

he was also very compassionate at the same time. Vide

Sai Satcharitra Baba once said that the ocean had

never in anger refused the rivers to mingle with it

and sent them back, similarly Baba was /is never angry

with people.

 

Hari: - Do you think that Saturn in Scorpio Lagna

> (Brahmana yoga?) is a better indication of the link

between Sri Satya Sai and Sri Shirdi Sai?

 

Lakshmi: Saturn in scorpio is definitely a link

between

Shirdi Sai and Satya Sai. Scorpio is the third house

from the lagna and can indicate death brick/next

incarnation. I also feel that Prema Sai's (coming

incarnation) lagna could be capricorn with Jupiter in

it.

 

Waiting for your comments.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Lakshmi ji,

 

Do you have any information about Baba's life while he

was 25 to 42. He was running Mercury his Lagna lord

dasa and Mercury is combust. I wonder what experiences

he might have had.

 

Thanks,Rema

 

--- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

 

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Guruji, Sourav ji and Vinay ji,

>

> Indeed Sai baba is widely known for his Brahma /

> atma

> gynana and known for his healing powers too. There

> are

> instances given in Sai Satcharitra where Baba had

> prescribed totally unheard of and improbable

> medications for certain diseases and still managed

> to

> cure the Ill. It is also stated that the same remedy

> failed to work for the same person, when applied

> without Baba's blessings. The healing happened

> because

> Baba willed it so and not because of the medications

> he prescribed. It is because of his tremendous

> Vak-suddhi.

>

> I would look at moon, (2nd lord from chandra lagna)

> his AK for his healing powers as moon rules oshadhis

> and at Venus,the mrityunjaya, his 2nd and 9th lord

> from lagna. Moon is vargottama, as is Venus. Venus

> is

> combined with Mercury, lord of Karakamsa, in

> navamsa.

> There is a gyana yoga listed by Dr. Raman, which

> says

> that if the 2nd lord is in the navamsa of Mercury

> the

> man becomes a versatile genius. Ofcourse, he also

> says

> that Jupiter and Venus should be in kendras. In

> Baba's

> chart Jupiter and Venus are not in kendras from

> lagna/moon, but they are in kendras from each other.

> This is also the 9th house from AK and is the house

> of

> Dharma devata. Kumbha also contains A8. It also

> indicates, being co-lorded by Rahu and Saturn, the

> seamless integration of hindu and muslim

> philosophies

> that Baba remarkably achieved and adopted as his

> dharma. I also urge you to look at the

> vimsamsa...kumbha is where Moon(AK) is placed and it

> is the 2nd house.

>

> Talking of shuddhi also brings us to the topic of

> yoga. Baba was a master of yoga and his great gynana

> and powers are a direct manifestation of his

> supremacy

> of

> yogic practices. Sai Satcharitra relates Baba

> practising " dhouti " , a yogic ritual where even the

> internal organs, like lungs and intestines are

> thoroughly cleaned. In the Dhyana sloka preambling

> " Devi Khadgamala " , Mother is described as

> " Dhoutaa " ...meaning one who is extremely pure. The

> very next name that follows is " Trinetrojwalaam "

> ...indicating that great vision/knowledge/power

> follows internal shuddhi. I am sure Baba, who is

> revered as " Yogi Raja " , wanted to ram home this

> point.

>

> In Baba's chart, Saturn, his 5th lord, is in

> scorpio,

> and this combination is a sure sign of yogic siddhi,

> other features in the horoscope supporting it. This

> can be seen in the horoscope of Satya Sai Baba and

> Sri

> Krishna too. In the D-16, D-20 and D-24 charts, one

> can see Saturn directly involved with combined

> nodes...and I found during my humble researches that

> such planets direct/disposit the kundalini power of

> the individual.

>

> The Sun-Jupiter parivartana/sambandha also indicates

> knowledge of Bhagavad gita as demonstrated by Baba.

>

> BTW, there is an important " brick " in Baba's life.

> when the brick broke, Baba interpreted it as a sign

> to

> shed his body. The brick is supposed to have been

> given by Venkusa to Baba, who remained very attached

> to it. Is Mars the karaka for the " brick " ?

>

> Just a few thoughts of mine. Sorry for burdening you

> all with my long mail.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

> --- vinaypatwardhan <vinaypatwardhan

> wrote:

>

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > PRanam Guruji,

> >

> > Sorry to but in, but regarding ShivaYoga in Baba's

> > chart, my

> > understanding is, ShivYoga will indicates His

> > knowledge akin to

> > Shiva i.e. of Guru , who we describe as " Kevalam

> > Gyaanmurtim "

> > and " Triguna Rahitam " having the knowledge of

> > " Satya " . And if I'm

> > not wrong Shri SaiBaba is well known for same

> reason

> > !! Do this

> > knoweldge needs scholarship?

> >

> > Secondly Baba is knowing Ayurveda and gives

> > sonamukhi, etc to many

> > people besides his vibhutii initially but along

> with

> > some

> > restrictions on diet. A Vaidya of shirdi

> (Kulkarni)

> > don't like this

> > and done some mischief with faith of innocent

> > people, which is like

> > inviting the death and hence Baba started to use

> > Vibhutii as

> > medicine. But who knows what he puts in to his

> > Dhoonii to made his

> > Vibhutii???

> >

> > Secondly his dear shishya DasGanu Maharaj have

> > mentioned in

> > ShriGajananvijay Grantha (of Shri Gajanan Maharaj

> of

> >

> > Shegaon/Shivagaon) that Baba followed Gyaanmarga.

> >

> > I think this can't be achieved without Shivayoga

> and

> > yours

> > mentioned " Scholarship " !!

> >

> > These are just free thoughts and pls correct me

> > where ever I'm wrong.

> >

> > Pranam,

> >

> > Vinay P

> >

> > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath "

> > <guruji@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> > > Dear Hari

> > > There was nothing secretive about Shirdi Baba.

> His

> > life was an

> > open book and he was far too straight forward -

> the

> > kind that would

> > be Sagittarius lagna. However in this group we

> have

> > a very funny

> > astrologer guru from Serbia who also has dhanus

> > lagna with guru and

> > ketu in 10th house, so I am unable to accept

> Dhanus

> > lagna as well.

> > > Saurav's point about Siva yoga is well taken,

> but

> > I don't think

> > Shirdi Baba had any scholarship of any kind or did

> > he? Please

> > correct me.

> > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > * * *

> > > Sri Jagannath Center®

> > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

> > > * * *

> > > -

> > > Jyotisa Shisya

> > > sohamsa

> > > Monday, November 14, 2005 9:55 AM

> > > Shirdi Sai Baba - Specially

> > for Lakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > > om gam gajavaktraaya namah

> > >

> > > Dear Smt Lakshmi, namaskarams!

> > >

> > > I present for your keen analysis, a chart of

> > Shirdi Sai Baba

> > attached along with this mail.

> > > a.. Details revealed by Sri Satya Sai Baba

> > > b.. DOB: September 28, 1838, TOB unknown

> > > c.. Time was fixed by me based on nimitta.

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Hari,

 

Just a little correction for GuruCharitra, It's ShriDatta avatara

katha , Shripaadshrivallabh and Shri NrusimhaSaraswati Swami Maharaj

who left for ShriShailyam or KardaliVana and Shri AkkalkotaSwami

Maharaj is consider as continuation of ShriNrusimhaSaraswati

Swamimaharaj. But GuruCharitra ends with NrusimhaSaraswati Swami

Maharaj only!! No mention of further lineage. Atleast in original

marathi it's not mentioned!! What you have written are just outcomes

of faith of people but may be reality!! or may not be!! Gurucharitra

is final word for ShriDatta Sampradaya and a very powerful grantha,

no one is ever allowded to add/edit anything in it!! Forget about

other things!! Still if you go to Nrusimhawadi near Kolhapur, you may

come to know about DattaMaharaj himself as he's chiranjiva avatar

(immortal)!!! Regarding Baba have you visited AbdulBaba's place in

Shirdi? Heard of shriVasudevanandsaraswati (Tembe) Swami Maharaj??

 

Anyhow I'm sorry for non-astrological stuff. But before leaving, one

more ans to your doubt, you know what Akkalkot Maharaj keep on

chanting??

" Shiva Har Shankar Namaami Shankar

ShivaShankar Shambho|

He Girijaapate Bhavaani Shankar

Shiva Shankar Shambho|| "

 

Regarding baba's life story, very few knows about Babas panchayatan

(Five brothers)even, forget about other things?? It's definately not

a open story!! Agree with you.

 

As you know me well and my intentions , hope you will not mind this

preaching, but can't resist myself. Enjoying this thread and effect

of ManojKumar !!

 

Regards,

 

Vinay P

 

 

 

sohamsa , Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...>

wrote:

>

> ||om gam gajavaktraaya namah||

> Dear Sanjay & Smt Lakshmi, namaste & pranaams.

> Lakshmi: The source of my information as can be expected is an

English

> version of Guru Charitra published by Jaico which I picked up at a

book

> exhibition recently. Some points:-

>

> - Information revealed by Sri Satya Sai Baba. Any reason to

doubt it

> and prefer Rama Navami instead?

> - It looks like you favor the Rama Navami version with Virgo

Lagna.

> - In Sep 28, 1838 version (Scorpio Lagna), you second-guessed me

by

> pointing out that Mars in AL is probably indicative of his

sudden bouts of

> anger.

> - Do you think that Saturn in Scorpio Lagna (Brahmana yoga?) is a

> better indication of the link between Sri Satya Sai and Sri

Shirdi Sai?

> Other points such as UL etc. will revert later.

>

> Sanjay: Besides the funny jyotisa guru from Serbia, do you know a

fellow

> called Sarajit Poddar? For a Dhanus lagna person, he is a past

master at

> hiding his true feelings. Compared to him, I with Scorpio Lagna, am

an open

> book!!!

>

> - Ramadas' email on this topic is another nimitta that Scorpio

Lagna

> should be seriously considered. This is in addition to the

nimitta that I

> observed.

> - Consider the African villages or *kraals*...some village elder

is

> often entrusted with the task of teaching the children there.

Would you then

> say that the children have no education?

> - As per Guru Charitra, Shirdi Sai Baba is considered to be an

> incarnation of Dattatreya and in a lineage starting from

Dattatreya. Sripad

> Vallabha --> Narasimha Saraswati ---> Akalkot Maharaj --->

Shirdi Sai Baba

> ---> Satya Sai Baba ---> Prem Sai Baba. Does the Siva yoga fit

here?

> - Shirdi Sai was brought up by a Sufi Fakir and later at the

ashram of

> a learned pandita called Venkusha. Can you say then that he had

no

> education?

> - What do you mean by saying that his life was an open book?

Nobody in

> Shirdi knew where he came from, how he was born, his Guru etc.

He was given

> to towering fits of rage during which time no one dared to

approach him. He

> often talked in riddles, the meaning of which was understood

only by the

> person whom Baba intended it for.

> - As pointed out by Lakshmi, he demonstrated knowledge of the

> scriptures (Koran and Bhagavad Gita) whenever it was called for.

> - He was a trikalagyani.

>

> Please educate and correct me.

> regards

> Hari

>

>

> On 11/14/05, Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote:

> >

> > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> > Dear Hari

> > There was nothing secretive about Shirdi Baba. His life was an

open book

> > and he was far too straight forward - the kind that would be

Sagittarius

> > lagna. However in this group we have a very funny astrologer guru

from

> > Serbia who also has dhanus lagna with guru and ketu in 10th

house, so I am

> > unable to accept Dhanus lagna as well.

> > Saurav's point about Siva yoga is well taken, but I don't think

Shirdi

> > Baba had any scholarship of any kind or did he? Please correct me.

> > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

>

om gam gajavaktraaya namah

Dear Lakshmi, Vinay & Sanjay, namaste

 

Vinay: I accept what you are saying. Guru Charitra is no doubt a source of spiritual strength. Quite a few nuggets hidden in this book!

 

Lakshmi: From now onwards, in this discussion, I suggest you write your comments with respect to Rama Navami version of 1838 while I write mine with respect to Sep 28, 1838.

 

AL/UL in 2/12 position, UL in 8th from Lagna and 2nd from UL having malefic Mars that too debilitated! Karaka for UL (Ju) is combust.

AK (Mo) - AmK (MeR) involved in charakaraka replacement which suggests the timing at around 16 years (Moon) or 1854. In 1857, he returned permanently to Shirdi.

Sanjay: Had a look at Jataka Parijata III - 63 to 67.

 

Case for Dhanus lagna: rising sign with Moon in it and Saturn in 12th gives birth in a 'secret' place. Here secret place can be interpreted to be a lonely place such as a forest etc.

 

Case for Scorpio lagna: Rising sign being a watery sign with Saturn in it and aspected by Sun/Mercury/Moon gives the place of birth accordingly. Here Mars aspects lagna by rasi dristi while Rahu from Meena aspects it by graha dristi. Does this confirm birth in a forest under a banyan tree? Is a banyan tree a religious place? If yes, co-lagna lord (Ketu) is conjunct Jupiter.

Yoga for abandonment by mother: For this Moon should be in trines to Saturn and Mars while being in 7th. This can only happen if Moon is conjunct Saturn and lagna is Taurus thereby suggesting birth some one/two days before Sep 28.

 

regards

Hari

Om Gurave Namah Dear Hari, Namaste. AL/UL in 2/12 position, UL in 8th from Lagna and 2nd from UL having malefic Mars that too debilitated! Karaka for UL (Ju) is combust.Lakshmi: That's a very good point about UL being in the 8th house.But will UL in the 8th house and debilitated planet in the 2nd from UL deny marriage altogether? I think what 's imperiled is the sustenance/longevity of marriage/spouse according to Jaimini Upadesa sutras. Secondly, Sun and Ketu are never malefic for matters relating to marriage. And, isn't there a parivartana between Mercury and Sun? I also have AL/UL in 2/12 position, Venus debilitated in 2nd from UL, and my 7th lord Mercury is severely combust. Yet, with Mother's grace I have been happily married for the

last 20 years...because of aspect of Jupiter on UL, the strength of UL lord himself and UL being in the 9th house. I think in your chart of Baba two saving graces are applicable. Jupiter might be combust, but his rasi aspect continues to be beneficial. AK (Mo) - AmK (MeR) involved in charakaraka replacement which suggests the timing at around 16 years (Moon) or 1854. In 1857, he returned permanently to Shirdi. Lakshmi: Yes, you are right. He was first sighted, lost in meditation under a neem tree, when he was 16 years of age. Moon-Mercury again! In my chart of Baba, 1854 gives me AK kendraadi rasi dasa of Ge-Cp, which is karakamsa-8th from karakamsa both in rasi and navamsa. In Moola dasa(because it is some past karma/commitment that made Baba choose Shirdi as his karmabhoomi), the period corresponds to Merc-Moon/Ketu and one can see the connection in D-4. Saturn in 3rd house (scorpio) as

circumstances of death also appeals to me because Baba had given up his life in exchange for life of Tatya, his devotee. Saturn is the 5th lord. Regards, Lakshmi

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Om Gurave Namah Dear Rema ji, Namaste. Please read Svayambu ji's mail/links. They have given a lot of good information about Baba's life. Though Baba came to Shirdi for good when he was 20yrs old and he was immediately perceived as a great mystic only by a few enlightened souls. There were quite a few sceptics who doubted and tested him, but were ultimately convinced about the divinity of Baba. Baba used to enjoy wrestling and once he was defeated by another guy in wrestling. This event is said to have brought about a great change in Baba's outlook/philosophy and he also adopted his famous dress of wearing a kaphni and tying a cloth around his head around this time. But the most important event in the period you mentioned could be the dissociation of body and soul Baba demonstrated on Margasira Pournami. there can't be a greater example of his yogic powers. regards, Lakshmi Rema Menon <remamenon wrote: Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Lakshmi ji, Do you have any information about Baba's life while he was 25 to 42. He was running Mercury his Lagna lord dasa and Mercury is combust. I wonder what experiences he might have had. Thanks,Rema --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Guruji, Sourav ji and Vinay ji, > > Indeed Sai baba is widely known for his Brahma / > atma > gynana and known for his healing powers too. There > are > instances given in Sai Satcharitra where Baba had > prescribed totally unheard of and improbable > medications for certain diseases and still managed > to > cure

the Ill. It is also stated that the same remedy > failed to work for the same person, when applied > without Baba's blessings. The healing happened > because > Baba willed it so and not because of the medications > he prescribed. It is because of his tremendous > Vak-suddhi. > > I would look at moon, (2nd lord from chandra lagna) > his AK for his healing powers as moon rules oshadhis > and at Venus,the mrityunjaya, his 2nd and 9th lord > from lagna. Moon is vargottama, as is Venus. Venus > is > combined with Mercury, lord of Karakamsa, in > navamsa. > There is a gyana yoga listed by Dr. Raman, which > says > that if the 2nd lord is in the navamsa of Mercury > the > man becomes a versatile genius. Ofcourse, he also > says > that Jupiter and Venus should be in kendras. In > Baba's > chart Jupiter and

Venus are not in kendras from > lagna/moon, but they are in kendras from each other. > This is also the 9th house from AK and is the house > of > Dharma devata. Kumbha also contains A8. It also > indicates, being co-lorded by Rahu and Saturn, the > seamless integration of hindu and muslim > philosophies > that Baba remarkably achieved and adopted as his > dharma. I also urge you to look at the > vimsamsa...kumbha is where Moon(AK) is placed and it > is the 2nd house. > > Talking of shuddhi also brings us to the topic of > yoga. Baba was a master of yoga and his great gynana > and powers are a direct manifestation of his > supremacy > of > yogic practices. Sai Satcharitra relates Baba > practising "dhouti", a yogic ritual where even the > internal organs, like lungs and intestines are > thoroughly

cleaned. In the Dhyana sloka preambling > "Devi Khadgamala", Mother is described as > "Dhoutaa"...meaning one who is extremely pure. The > very next name that follows is "Trinetrojwalaam" > ...indicating that great vision/knowledge/power > follows internal shuddhi. I am sure Baba, who is > revered as "Yogi Raja", wanted to ram home this > point. > > In Baba's chart, Saturn, his 5th lord, is in > scorpio, > and this combination is a sure sign of yogic siddhi, > other features in the horoscope supporting it. This > can be seen in the horoscope of Satya Sai Baba and > Sri > Krishna too. In the D-16, D-20 and D-24 charts, one > can see Saturn directly involved with combined > nodes...and I found during my humble researches that > such planets direct/disposit the kundalini power of > the individual. > > The

Sun-Jupiter parivartana/sambandha also indicates > knowledge of Bhagavad gita as demonstrated by Baba. > > BTW, there is an important "brick" in Baba's life. > when the brick broke, Baba interpreted it as a sign > to > shed his body. The brick is supposed to have been > given by Venkusa to Baba, who remained very attached > to it. Is Mars the karaka for the "brick"? > > Just a few thoughts of mine. Sorry for burdening you > all with my long mail. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > --- vinaypatwardhan <vinaypatwardhan > wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > PRanam Guruji, > > > > Sorry to but in, but regarding ShivaYoga in Baba's > > chart, my > > understanding is, ShivYoga will indicates His > > knowledge akin to > > Shiva i.e. of Guru , who we describe as " Kevalam > > Gyaanmurtim" > > and "Triguna Rahitam" having the knowledge of > > "Satya". And if I'm > > not wrong Shri SaiBaba is well known for same > reason > > !! Do this > > knoweldge needs scholarship? > > > > Secondly Baba is knowing Ayurveda and gives > > sonamukhi, etc to many > > people besides his vibhutii initially but along > with > > some > > restrictions on diet. A Vaidya of shirdi > (Kulkarni) > > don't like this > > and done some mischief with faith of innocent > > people, which is like > > inviting the death and hence Baba started to use > > Vibhutii as > > medicine. But who knows what he puts in to his > > Dhoonii to made his > > Vibhutii??? > > > > Secondly his dear shishya DasGanu Maharaj have > > mentioned in > > ShriGajananvijay Grantha (of Shri Gajanan Maharaj > of > > > > Shegaon/Shivagaon) that Baba followed Gyaanmarga. > > > > I think this can't be achieved without Shivayoga > and > > yours > > mentioned "Scholarship"!! > > > > These are just free thoughts and pls correct me > > where ever I'm wrong. > > > > Pranam, > > > > Vinay P > > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" > > <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya > > > Dear Hari > > > There was nothing secretive about Shirdi Baba. > His > > life was an > > open book and he was far too straight

forward - > the > > kind that would > > be Sagittarius lagna. However in this group we > have > > a very funny > > astrologer guru from Serbia who also has dhanus > > lagna with guru and > > ketu in 10th house, so I am unable to accept > Dhanus > > lagna as well. > > > Saurav's point about Siva yoga is well taken, > but > > I don't think > > Shirdi Baba had any scholarship of any kind or did > > he? Please > > correct me. > > > With best wishes and warm regards, > > > Sanjay Rath > > > * * * > > > Sri Jagannath Center® > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > > > New Delhi 110060, India > > > http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 > > > * * * > > > -----

Original Message ----- > > > Jyotisa Shisya > > > sohamsa > > > Monday, November 14, 2005 9:55 AM > > > Shirdi Sai Baba - Specially > > for Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > om gam gajavaktraaya namah > > > > > > Dear Smt Lakshmi, namaskarams! > > > > > > I present for your keen analysis, a chart of > > Shirdi Sai Baba > > attached along with this mail. > > > a.. Details revealed by Sri Satya Sai Baba > > > b.. DOB: September 28, 1838, TOB unknown > > > c.. Time was fixed by me based on nimitta. > === message truncated === Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hs

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Om Gurave Namah Dear Hari, Baba always sat opposite "dhuni"... a fire/agnihotra he maintained throughout his life. He always urged people to immolate their desires in that fire. Do you think that "dhuni" could be Pisces (moksha) with Sun, Mars (fire) and Mercury & rahu (immolation of earthly desires). Baba's association with vibhuti is famous...which planet represents "Oodi" ( sacred ash)? Ketu? Regards, Lakshmi lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Hari, Namaste. AL/UL in 2/12 position, UL in 8th from Lagna and 2nd

from UL having malefic Mars that too debilitated! Karaka for UL (Ju) is combust.Lakshmi: That's a very good point about UL being in the 8th house.But will UL in the 8th house and debilitated planet in the 2nd from UL deny marriage altogether? I think what 's imperiled is the sustenance/longevity of marriage/spouse according to Jaimini Upadesa sutras. Secondly, Sun and Ketu are never malefic for matters relating to marriage. And, isn't there a parivartana between Mercury and Sun? I also have AL/UL in 2/12 position, Venus debilitated in 2nd from UL, and my 7th lord Mercury is severely combust. Yet, with Mother's grace I have been happily married for the last 20 years...because of aspect of Jupiter on UL, the strength of UL lord himself and UL being in the 9th house. I think in your chart of Baba two saving graces are applicable. Jupiter might be combust, but his rasi aspect continues to be beneficial. AK (Mo) - AmK (MeR) involved in charakaraka replacement which suggests the timing at around 16 years (Moon) or 1854. In 1857, he returned permanently to Shirdi. Lakshmi: Yes, you are right. He was first sighted, lost in meditation under a neem tree, when he was 16 years of age. Moon-Mercury again! In my chart of Baba, 1854 gives me AK kendraadi rasi dasa of Ge-Cp, which is karakamsa-8th from karakamsa both in rasi and navamsa. In Moola dasa(because it is some past karma/commitment that made Baba choose Shirdi as his karmabhoomi), the period corresponds to Merc-Moon/Ketu and one can see the connection in D-4. Saturn in 3rd house (scorpio) as circumstances of death also appeals to me because Baba had given up his life in exchange for life of Tatya, his devotee. Saturn is the 5th lord. Regards, Lakshmi FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

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Hare Rama Krishna,

Namaste Lakshmi ji,

 

I have heard about the Para Kaya Pravesh of Baba, I

hope that is what you mean by dissosiation of body and

soul.

I was wondering if He had any ailments or something

signifying the combustion of Lagna Lord. Probably He

could overcome it, but then how did the lagna Lord

combustion manifest during its dasa.

 

Thanks

Rema

 

--- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

 

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Rema ji,

>

> Namaste. Please read Svayambu ji's mail/links.

> They have given a lot of good information about

> Baba's life. Though Baba came to Shirdi for good

> when he was 20yrs old and he was immediately

> perceived as a great mystic only by a few

> enlightened souls. There were quite a few sceptics

> who doubted and tested him, but were ultimately

> convinced about the divinity of Baba.

>

> Baba used to enjoy wrestling and once he was

> defeated by another guy in wrestling. This event is

> said to have brought about a great change in Baba's

> outlook/philosophy and he also adopted his famous

> dress of wearing a kaphni and tying a cloth around

> his head around this time.

>

> But the most important event in the period you

> mentioned could be the dissociation of body and

> soul Baba demonstrated on Margasira Pournami. there

> can't be a greater example of his yogic powers.

>

> regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

> Rema Menon <remamenon wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna,

> Namaste Lakshmi ji,

>

> Do you have any information about Baba's life

> while he

> was 25 to 42. He was running Mercury his Lagna

> lord

> dasa and Mercury is combust. I wonder what

> experiences

> he might have had.

>

> Thanks,Rema

>

> --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh

> wrote:

>

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Guruji, Sourav ji and Vinay ji,

> >

> > Indeed Sai baba is widely known for his Brahma /

> > atma

> > gynana and known for his healing powers too.

> There

> > are

> > instances given in Sai Satcharitra where Baba

> had

> > prescribed totally unheard of and improbable

> > medications for certain diseases and still

> managed

> > to

> > cure the Ill. It is also stated that the same

> remedy

> > failed to work for the same person, when applied

> > without Baba's blessings. The healing happened

> > because

> > Baba willed it so and not because of the

> medications

> > he prescribed. It is because of his tremendous

> > Vak-suddhi.

> >

> > I would look at moon, (2nd lord from chandra

> lagna)

> > his AK for his healing powers as moon rules

> oshadhis

> > and at Venus,the mrityunjaya, his 2nd and 9th

> lord

> > from lagna. Moon is vargottama, as is Venus.

> Venus

> > is

> > combined with Mercury, lord of Karakamsa, in

> > navamsa.

> > There is a gyana yoga listed by Dr. Raman, which

> > says

> > that if the 2nd lord is in the navamsa of

> Mercury

> > the

> > man becomes a versatile genius. Ofcourse, he

> also

> > says

> > that Jupiter and Venus should be in kendras. In

> > Baba's

> > chart Jupiter and Venus are not in kendras from

> > lagna/moon, but they are in kendras from each

> other.

> > This is also the 9th house from AK and is the

> house

> > of

> > Dharma devata. Kumbha also contains A8. It also

> > indicates, being co-lorded by Rahu and Saturn,

> the

> > seamless integration of hindu and muslim

> > philosophies

> > that Baba remarkably achieved and adopted as his

> > dharma. I also urge you to look at the

> > vimsamsa...kumbha is where Moon(AK) is placed

> and it

> > is the 2nd house.

> >

> > Talking of shuddhi also brings us to the topic

> of

> > yoga. Baba was a master of yoga and his great

> gynana

> > and powers are a direct manifestation of his

> > supremacy

> > of

> > yogic practices. Sai Satcharitra relates Baba

> > practising " dhouti " , a yogic ritual where even

> the

> > internal organs, like lungs and intestines are

> > thoroughly cleaned. In the Dhyana sloka

> preambling

> > " Devi Khadgamala " , Mother is described as

> > " Dhoutaa " ...meaning one who is extremely pure.

> The

> > very next name that follows is " Trinetrojwalaam "

> > ...indicating that great vision/knowledge/power

> > follows internal shuddhi. I am sure Baba, who is

> > revered as " Yogi Raja " , wanted to ram home this

> > point.

> >

> > In Baba's chart, Saturn, his 5th lord, is in

> > scorpio,

> > and this combination is a sure sign of yogic

> siddhi,

> > other features in the horoscope supporting it.

> This

> > can be seen in the horoscope of Satya Sai Baba

> and

> > Sri

> > Krishna too. In the D-16, D-20 and D-24 charts,

> one

> > can see Saturn directly involved with combined

> > nodes...and I found during my humble researches

> that

> > such planets direct/disposit the kundalini power

> of

> > the individual.

> >

> > The Sun-Jupiter parivartana/sambandha also

> indicates

> > knowledge of Bhagavad gita as demonstrated by

> Baba.

> >

> > BTW, there is an important " brick " in Baba's

> life.

> > when the brick broke, Baba interpreted it as a

> sign

> > to

> > shed his body. The brick is supposed to have

> been

> > given by Venkusa to Baba, who remained very

> attached

> > to it. Is Mars the karaka for the " brick " ?

> >

> > Just a few thoughts of mine. Sorry for burdening

> you

> > all with my long mail.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> >

> > --- vinaypatwardhan <vinaypatwardhan

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > PRanam Guruji,

> > >

> > > Sorry to but in, but regarding ShivaYoga in

> Baba's

> > > chart, my

> > > understanding is, ShivYoga will indicates His

> > > knowledge akin to

> > > Shiva i.e. of Guru , who we describe as "

> Kevalam

> > > Gyaanmurtim "

> > > and " Triguna Rahitam " having the knowledge of

> > > " Satya " . And if I'm

> > > not wrong Shri SaiBaba is well known for same

> > reason

> > > !! Do this

> > > knoweldge needs scholarship?

> > >

> > > Secondly Baba is knowing Ayurveda and gives

> > > sonamukhi, etc to many

> > > people besides his vibhutii initially but

> along

> > with

> > > some

>

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Om Gurave Namah Namaste Rema ji, It is said that Baba suffered from asthma. if i may offer a small amendment, "parakaya pravesh" is leaving one's body in order to enter someone else's body...but I don't think Baba entered any other body. He left his. That's all. Regards, Lakshmi Rema Menon <remamenon wrote: Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Lakshmi ji, I have heard about the Para Kaya Pravesh of Baba, I hope that is what you mean by dissosiation of body and soul. I was wondering if He had any ailments or something signifying the combustion of Lagna Lord. Probably He could overcome it, but then how did the lagna Lord combustion manifest during its dasa. Thanks Rema --- lakshmi

ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rema ji, > > Namaste. Please read Svayambu ji's mail/links. > They have given a lot of good information about > Baba's life. Though Baba came to Shirdi for good > when he was 20yrs old and he was immediately > perceived as a great mystic only by a few > enlightened souls. There were quite a few sceptics > who doubted and tested him, but were ultimately > convinced about the divinity of Baba. > > Baba used to enjoy wrestling and once he was > defeated by another guy in wrestling. This event is > said to have brought about a great change in Baba's > outlook/philosophy and he also adopted his famous > dress of wearing a kaphni and tying a cloth

around > his head around this time. > > But the most important event in the period you > mentioned could be the dissociation of body and > soul Baba demonstrated on Margasira Pournami. there > can't be a greater example of his yogic powers. > > regards, > Lakshmi > > > Rema Menon <remamenon wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna, > Namaste Lakshmi ji, > > Do you have any information about Baba's life > while he > was 25 to 42. He was running Mercury his Lagna > lord > dasa and Mercury is combust. I wonder what > experiences > he might have had. > >

Thanks,Rema > > --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Guruji, Sourav ji and Vinay ji, > > > > Indeed Sai baba is widely known for his Brahma / > > atma > > gynana and known for his healing powers too. > There > > are > > instances given in Sai Satcharitra where Baba > had > > prescribed totally unheard of and improbable > > medications for certain diseases and still > managed > > to > > cure the Ill. It is also stated that the same > remedy > > failed to work for the same person, when applied > > without Baba's blessings. The healing happened > > because > > Baba willed it so and not because of the > medications > > he prescribed. It is because of his tremendous > > Vak-suddhi. > > > > I would look at moon, (2nd lord from chandra > lagna) > > his AK for his healing powers as moon rules > oshadhis > > and at Venus,the mrityunjaya, his 2nd and 9th > lord > > from lagna. Moon is vargottama, as is Venus. > Venus > > is > > combined with Mercury, lord of Karakamsa, in > > navamsa. > > There is a gyana yoga listed by Dr. Raman, which > > says > > that if the 2nd lord is in the

navamsa of > Mercury > > the > > man becomes a versatile genius. Ofcourse, he > also > > says > > that Jupiter and Venus should be in kendras. In > > Baba's > > chart Jupiter and Venus are not in kendras from > > lagna/moon, but they are in kendras from each > other. > > This is also the 9th house from AK and is the > house > > of > > Dharma devata. Kumbha also contains A8. It also > > indicates, being co-lorded by Rahu and Saturn, > the > > seamless integration of hindu and muslim > > philosophies > > that Baba remarkably achieved and adopted as his > > dharma. I also urge you to look at the > > vimsamsa...kumbha is where Moon(AK) is placed > and it > > is the 2nd house. > > > > Talking of shuddhi also brings us to the topic > of > > yoga. Baba was a master of yoga and his great > gynana > > and powers are a direct manifestation of his > > supremacy > > of > > yogic practices. Sai Satcharitra relates Baba > > practising "dhouti", a yogic ritual where even > the > > internal organs, like lungs and intestines are > > thoroughly cleaned. In the Dhyana sloka > preambling > > "Devi Khadgamala", Mother is described as > > "Dhoutaa"...meaning one who is extremely pure. > The > > very next

name that follows is "Trinetrojwalaam" > > ...indicating that great vision/knowledge/power > > follows internal shuddhi. I am sure Baba, who is > > revered as "Yogi Raja", wanted to ram home this > > point. > > > > In Baba's chart, Saturn, his 5th lord, is in > > scorpio, > > and this combination is a sure sign of yogic > siddhi, > > other features in the horoscope supporting it. > This > > can be seen in the horoscope of Satya Sai Baba > and > > Sri > > Krishna too. In the D-16, D-20 and D-24 charts, > one > > can see Saturn directly involved with combined > > nodes...and I found during my humble researches > that > > such planets direct/disposit the kundalini power > of > > the individual. > > > > The Sun-Jupiter parivartana/sambandha also > indicates > > knowledge of Bhagavad gita as demonstrated by > Baba. > > > > BTW, there is an important "brick" in Baba's > life. > > when the brick broke, Baba interpreted it as a > sign > > to > > shed his body. The brick is supposed to have > been > > given by Venkusa to Baba, who remained very > attached > > to it. Is Mars the karaka for the "brick"? > > > > Just a few thoughts of mine. Sorry for burdening > you > > all with my long mail. > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > > --- vinaypatwardhan <vinaypatwardhan > > wrote: > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > PRanam Guruji, > > > > > > Sorry to but in, but regarding ShivaYoga in > Baba's > > > chart, my > > > understanding is, ShivYoga will indicates His > > > knowledge akin to > > > Shiva i.e. of Guru , who we describe as " > Kevalam > > > Gyaanmurtim" > > > and "Triguna Rahitam" having the knowledge of > > > "Satya". And if I'm

> > > not wrong Shri SaiBaba is well known for same > > reason > > > !! Do this > > > knoweldge needs scholarship? > > > > > > Secondly Baba is knowing Ayurveda and gives > > > sonamukhi, etc to many > > > people besides his vibhutii initially but > along > > with > > > some > === message truncated === FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.

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Hare Rama Krishna,

Namaste Lakshmi ji,

 

Thanks for that info.

 

Regards,

Rema

 

--- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

 

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Rema ji,

>

> It is said that Baba suffered from asthma. if i

> may offer a small amendment, " parakaya pravesh " is

> leaving one's body in order to enter someone else's

> body...but I don't think Baba entered any other

> body. He left his. That's all.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

>

>

> Rema Menon <remamenon wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna,

> Namaste Lakshmi ji,

>

> I have heard about the Para Kaya Pravesh of Baba,

> I

> hope that is what you mean by dissosiation of body

> and

> soul.

> I was wondering if He had any ailments or

> something

> signifying the combustion of Lagna Lord. Probably

> He

> could overcome it, but then how did the lagna Lord

> combustion manifest during its dasa.

>

> Thanks

> Rema

>

> --- lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh

> wrote:

>

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Rema ji,

> >

> > Namaste. Please read Svayambu ji's mail/links.

> > They have given a lot of good information about

> > Baba's life. Though Baba came to Shirdi for good

>

> > when he was 20yrs old and he was immediately

> > perceived as a great mystic only by a few

> > enlightened souls. There were quite a few

> sceptics

> > who doubted and tested him, but were ultimately

> > convinced about the divinity of Baba.

> >

> > Baba used to enjoy wrestling and once he was

> > defeated by another guy in wrestling. This

> event is

> > said to have brought about a great change in

> Baba's

> > outlook/philosophy and he also adopted his

> famous

> > dress of wearing a kaphni and tying a cloth

> around

> > his head around this time.

> >

> > But the most important event in the period you

> > mentioned could be the dissociation of body and

> > soul Baba demonstrated on Margasira Pournami.

> there

> > can't be a greater example of his yogic powers.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> >

> > Rema Menon <remamenon wrote:

> > Hare Rama Krishna,

> > Namaste Lakshmi ji,

> >

> > Do you have any information about Baba's life

> > while he

> > was 25 to 42. He was running Mercury his Lagna

> > lord

> > dasa and Mercury is combust. I wonder what

> > experiences

> > he might have had.

> >

> > Thanks,Rema

> >

> > --- lakshmi ramesh

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste Guruji, Sourav ji and Vinay ji,

> > >

> > > Indeed Sai baba is widely known for his

> Brahma /

> > > atma

> > > gynana and known for his healing powers too.

> > There

> > > are

> > > instances given in Sai Satcharitra where

> Baba

> > had

> > > prescribed totally unheard of and improbable

> > > medications for certain diseases and still

> > managed

> > > to

> > > cure the Ill. It is also stated that the

> same

> > remedy

> > > failed to work for the same person, when

> applied

> > > without Baba's blessings. The healing

> happened

> > > because

> > > Baba willed it so and not because of the

> > medications

> > > he prescribed. It is because of his

> tremendous

> > > Vak-suddhi.

> > >

> > > I would look at moon, (2nd lord from chandra

> > lagna)

> > > his AK for his healing powers as moon rules

> > oshadhis

> > > and at Venus,the mrityunjaya, his 2nd and

> 9th

> > lord

> > > from lagna. Moon is vargottama, as is Venus.

> > Venus

> > > is

> > > combined with Mercury, lord of Karakamsa, in

> > > navamsa.

> > > There is a gyana yoga listed by Dr. Raman,

> which

> > > says

> > > that if the 2nd lord is in the navamsa of

> > Mercury

> > > the

> > > man becomes a versatile genius. Ofcourse, he

> > also

> > > says

> > > that Jupiter and Venus should be in kendras.

> In

> > > Baba's

> > > chart Jupiter and Venus are not in kendras

> from

> > > lagna/moon, but they are in kendras from

> each

> > other.

> > > This is also the 9th house from AK and is

> the

> > house

> > > of

> > > Dharma devata. Kumbha also contains A8. It

> also

> > > indicates, being co-lorded by Rahu and

> Saturn,

> > the

> > > seamless integration of hindu and muslim

> > > philosophies

> > > that Baba remarkably achieved and adopted as

> his

> > > dharma. I also urge you to look at the

> > > vimsamsa...kumbha is where Moon(AK) is

> placed

> > and it

> > > is the 2nd house.

> > >

> > > Talking of shuddhi also brings us to the

> topic

> > of

> > > yoga. Baba was a master of yoga and his

> great

> > gynana

> > > and powers are a direct manifestation of his

> > > supremacy

> > > of

> > > yogic practices. Sai Satcharitra relates

> Baba

> > > practising " dhouti " , a yogic ritual where

> even

> > the

> > > internal organs, like lungs and intestines

> are

> > > thoroughly cleaned. In the Dhyana sloka

> > preambling

> > > " Devi Khadgamala " , Mother is described as

> > > " Dhoutaa " ...meaning one who is extremely

> pure.

> > The

> > > very next name that follows is

> " Trinetrojwalaam "

> > > ...indicating that great

> vision/knowledge/power

> > > follows internal shuddhi. I am sure Baba,

> who is

> > > revered as " Yogi Raja " , wanted to ram home

> this

>

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Dear Smt Lakshmi, namaste

 

At the outset, I wish to caution against drawing parallels between the charts we are discussing and our own natal charts. My reply to some of your points:-

 

AL/UL discussion with reference to your chart: Hold on! Doesnt Jaimini Maharishi say first benefics, then malefics and then debilitation? I didnt talk about Sun/Ketu, did I?

Saturn in 3rd house (scorpio) as circumstances of death: I thought that this was shown by the 3rd house from AL/A7, whichever is stronger. In the chart suggested by me, Ju (besides Sun/Ketu) is in the 3rd from AL indicating that Shirdi Sai Baba was aware of how he would die and as we know, that is narrated in Sai Charitra.

 

Regarding dhuni / vibhuti, will revert later...I prefer to see if the chart reflects the circumstances of his birth first before proceeding with further analysis and I hope Sanjay will give his opinions / corrections.

 

 

best regards

Hari

 

Om Gurave Namah Dear Hari, Namaste. My intention in drawing a parallel is only to show that exceptions do occur. You did mention the combustion of Ju (as karaka for UL) in your previous mail, hence my comment about Sun and Ketu. Further, yes, Jaimini does talk about benefics first, but then debilitated Venus (kalatra karaka) when talking specifically about UL does gain more significance than any other benefic/malefic/planet, I guess:--)). And, 2nd house is always about sustenance or marakatwa, indicating that first a particular event has to happen, then only the 2nd house will come into play. For a non-event what relevance does the 2nd house have? Similarly, if marriage itself does not happen, what relevance does 2nd from UL have? In the chart drawn by me, jupiter is in 3rd from AL and in 12th house from lagna too! I am sure you've heard of the dictum that whatever is applicable from the lagna is applicable from AL and the converse is also true. Further Baba was a trikaalagyaani, and being aware of his death was part of that gynaana. In the chart drawn by me Jupiter is in gopura-amsa and that's a criteria for trikaalagyaana, as mentioned in "300 important combinations" by Dr. Raman. Further, Baba was a jeevanmukta and life or death have no impact on him. He lives on. Thanks for this lovely discussion. Regards, Lakshmi Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: om gam gajavaktraaya namah Dear Smt Lakshmi, namaste At the outset, I wish to caution against drawing parallels between the charts we are discussing and our own natal charts. My reply to some of your points:- AL/UL discussion with reference to your chart: Hold on! Doesnt Jaimini Maharishi say first benefics, then malefics and then debilitation? I didnt talk about Sun/Ketu, did I? Saturn in 3rd house (scorpio) as circumstances of death: I thought that this was shown by the 3rd house from AL/A7, whichever is stronger. In the chart suggested by me, Ju (besides Sun/Ketu) is in the 3rd from AL indicating that Shirdi Sai Baba was aware of how he would die and as we know, that is narrated in Sai Charitra. Regarding dhuni / vibhuti, will revert later...I prefer to see if the chart reflects the circumstances of his birth first before proceeding with further analysis and I hope Sanjay will give his opinions / corrections. best regards Hari

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