vyaya?

November 30, 2009

Dear list,How is vyaya ascertained, from what houses of the horoscope? Also, how is it known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or prana sakti? Shankar

November 30, 2009

Dear Shankara Bharadwaj ji,

Vyaya means expense. It is identified from the 12th house of horoscope. What

kind of vyaya will depend upon 12th lord, planets placed in 12th, planets with

navamsa in 12th, Bhavat Bhava checked (from 12th or from any house that is

relevant to the current dasa-antara) etc. At every point of life we spend for

one thing or other for sure, and so in essence items signified by no house or no

planet can escape 'expense' (vyaya).

Can you please clarify - why this question, and in what context?

//how is it known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or prana

sakti? //

Connection of any relevant house with 12th house can indicate Vyaya. For

example if a malefic planet is in 12th from lagna it cannot contribute even a

single year to longevity. If 8th lord is in 12th and if the dasa of that 8th

lord comes danger to longevity may happen (expense of longevity). If Venus has

got a navamsaka in 12th, the native may spend money for women of bed pleasures.

(But the same can also indicate investments, since 12th is bank/deposit). May

expense itself is investment as well - the only difference being that 'if

investments return benefit, we call it investment; if not not we call it expense

or loss'.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli

<shankarabharadwaj wrote:

>

> Dear list,

>

> How is vyaya ascertained, from what houses of the horoscope? Also, how is it

known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or prana sakti?

>

> Shankar

>

November 30, 2009

Dear Sreenadh iji,"

Can you please clarify - why this question, and in what context?

//how is it known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or prana sakti? //"To know what kind of vyaya will happen, as you said - "What kind of vyaya will depend upon 12th lord, planets placed in 12th,

planets with navamsa in 12th, Bhavat Bhava checked (from 12th or from

any house that is relevant to the current dasa-antara) etc. At every

point of life we spend for one thing or other for sure, and so in

essence items signified by no house or no planet can escape 'expense'

(vyaya). :)"I wanted to know what kind of expense-accumulation is ascertained through which of these... I was also wondering if dwadasa bhava is sufficient to know this or do we have to correlate the bhava whose expense is in question - for instance 2nd-12th for dhana vyaya, 8th-12th for ayurvyaya, 9/10th-12th for karma vyaya, 1st-12th for prana vyaya and so on. For that I think I got the answer. Thank you. From all available clues I was seeing a heavy loss of prana for the coming one-two years, not really in terms of deaths but expenditure of subtle prana, loss of vital strength all over. I wanted to ascertain that from grahacara, for which this is necessary. Thanks again. Shankarsreesog <sreesog Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 2:53:13 PM Re: vyaya?

Dear Shankara Bharadwaj ji,

Vyaya means expense. It is identified from the 12th house of horoscope. What kind of vyaya will depend upon 12th lord, planets placed in 12th, planets with navamsa in 12th, Bhavat Bhava checked (from 12th or from any house that is relevant to the current dasa-antara) etc. At every point of life we spend for one thing or other for sure, and so in essence items signified by no house or no planet can escape 'expense' (vyaya).

Can you please clarify - why this question, and in what context?

//how is it known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or prana sakti? //

Connection of any relevant house with 12th house can indicate Vyaya. For example if a malefic planet is in 12th from lagna it cannot contribute even a single year to longevity. If 8th lord is in 12th and if the dasa of that 8th lord comes danger to longevity may happen (expense of longevity). If Venus has got a navamsaka in 12th, the native may spend money for women of bed pleasures. (But the same can also indicate investments, since 12th is bank/deposit) . May expense itself is investment as well - the only difference being that 'if investments return benefit, we call it investment; if not not we call it expense or loss'.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

ancient_indian_ astrology, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear list,

>

> How is vyaya ascertained, from what houses of the horoscope? Also, how is it known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or prana sakti?

>

> Shankar

>

November 30, 2009

Shankar ji; You might be interested in this;

as per lalkitab;

if Rahu is posited as malefic in the twelfth house:

and the native aspires towards goal of sanyas;

his that organ will be damaged with which he tries the pursuit;

e.g. by meditation, use of brain, he will go mad, by eyes; eyes will get damaged

or to say spent = vyaya.

regards

kulbir

, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli

<shankarabharadwaj wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh iji,

>

> " Can you please clarify - why this question, and in what context?

> //how is it known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or

prana sakti? // "

>

> To know what kind of vyaya will happen, as you said -

>

> " What kind of vyaya will depend upon 12th lord, planets placed in 12th,

> planets with navamsa in 12th, Bhavat Bhava checked (from 12th or from

> any house that is relevant to the current dasa-antara) etc. At every

> point of life we spend for one thing or other for sure, and so in

> essence items signified by no house or no planet can escape 'expense'

> (vyaya). "

>

> I wanted to know what kind of expense-accumulation is ascertained through

which of these...

>

> I was also wondering if dwadasa bhava is sufficient to know this or do we have

to correlate the bhava whose expense is in question - for instance 2nd-12th for

dhana vyaya, 8th-12th for ayurvyaya, 9/10th-12th for karma vyaya, 1st-12th for

prana vyaya and so on. For that I think I got the answer. Thank you.

>

> From all available clues I was seeing a heavy loss of prana for the coming

one-two years, not really in terms of deaths but expenditure of subtle prana,

loss of vital strength all over. I wanted to ascertain that from grahacara, for

which this is necessary. Thanks again.

>

> Shankar

>

> ________________________________

> sreesog <sreesog

>

> Mon, November 30, 2009 2:53:13 PM

> Re: vyaya?

>

> Dear Shankara Bharadwaj ji,

> Vyaya means expense. It is identified from the 12th house of horoscope. What

kind of vyaya will depend upon 12th lord, planets placed in 12th, planets with

navamsa in 12th, Bhavat Bhava checked (from 12th or from any house that is

relevant to the current dasa-antara) etc. At every point of life we spend for

one thing or other for sure, and so in essence items signified by no house or no

planet can escape 'expense' (vyaya).

> Can you please clarify - why this question, and in what context?

> //how is it known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or

prana sakti? //

> Connection of any relevant house with 12th house can indicate Vyaya. For

example if a malefic planet is in 12th from lagna it cannot contribute even a

single year to longevity. If 8th lord is in 12th and if the dasa of that 8th

lord comes danger to longevity may happen (expense of longevity). If Venus has

got a navamsaka in 12th, the native may spend money for women of bed pleasures.

(But the same can also indicate investments, since 12th is bank/deposit) . May

expense itself is investment as well - the only difference being that 'if

investments return benefit, we call it investment; if not not we call it expense

or loss'.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, ShankaraBharadwaj

Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear list,

> >

> > How is vyaya ascertained, from what houses of the horoscope? Also, how is it

known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or prana sakti?

> >

> > Shankar

> >

>

November 30, 2009

Dear members,

The way to calculate or know about the persons spending nature, we all

know it is seen from 12HL + planets in 12H.

The simplest method is see where the planet is placed.

1) 12HL in 3H can indicate hobbies or sports or

brothers/sisters....etc..

2) 12HL in 7H = buying things on maintaining public relations or wife

3) 12HL in 10H = spending on career or doing some social work through

donations

4) 12HL in 9H = spending on religious rites or temples or pujas

5) 12HL in 4H = spending on house or books or education or mother

comfortness...etc.

Considering the nature of the planet and its aspect, the expenses are

for good or bad karma can be analyzed

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

November 30, 2009

Dear Sreeram Ji,

How about 12L in 8H => Spending money on Astrology Books .

Regards,

-Manoj

Sre_eram <sreeram64 Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 5:53:41 AM Re: vyaya?

Dear members,The way to calculate or know about the persons spending nature, we allknow it is seen from 12HL + planets in 12H.The simplest method is see where the planet is placed.1) 12HL in 3H can indicate hobbies or sports orbrothers/sisters. ...etc..2) 12HL in 7H = buying things on maintaining public relations or wife3) 12HL in 10H = spending on career or doing some social work throughdonations4) 12HL in 9H = spending on religious rites or temples or pujas5) 12HL in 4H = spending on house or books or education or mothercomfortness. ..etc.Considering the nature of the planet and its aspect, the expenses arefor good or bad karma can be analyzedWith regards,Sreeram_Srinivas

November 30, 2009

Namaste Manoj ji,

12HL in 8H can be of a native spending on research or Oil Drilling (!!)

or spiritual sciences. The planet plays major role on the selection

of expense. Jupiter can be on study or holy topics.... most important

is the amsa position of the planet.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

November 30, 2009

Dear Manoj Ji,

Sorry to Intervene-

12L in 8H may be treated as "Bed Comforts in the house of Obstructions"

or "Loss of Marital Tie". So, in general "Problems in Marriage".

(Only cases with MT signs in 12H to be considered, No Classical

reference)

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: vyaya? Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 6:31 PM

Dear Sreeram Ji,

How about 12L in 8H => Spending money on Astrology Books .

Regards,

-Manoj

Sre_eram <sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) com>ancient_indian_ astrologyMon, November 30, 2009 5:53:41 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya?

Dear members,The way to calculate or know about the persons spending nature, we allknow it is seen from 12HL + planets in 12H.The simplest method is see where the planet is placed.1) 12HL in 3H can indicate hobbies or sports orbrothers/sisters. ...etc..2) 12HL in 7H = buying things on maintaining public relations or wife3) 12HL in 10H = spending on career or doing some social work throughdonations4) 12HL in 9H = spending on religious rites or temples or pujas5) 12HL in 4H = spending on house or books or education or mothercomfortness. ..etc.Considering the nature of the planet and its aspect, the expenses arefor good or bad karma can be analyzedWith regards,Sreeram_Srinivas

November 30, 2009

Dear Sreeram,

I shall like to add that 12HL in 2nd the native spends on books, kitchen wares, shares and jewels and is fond of eating.

Love--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: vyaya? Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 6:31 PM

Dear Sreeram Ji,

How about 12L in 8H => Spending money on Astrology Books .

Regards,

-Manoj

Sre_eram <sreeram64 Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 5:53:41 AM Re: vyaya?

Dear members,The way to calculate or know about the persons spending nature, we allknow it is seen from 12HL + planets in 12H.The simplest method is see where the planet is placed.1) 12HL in 3H can indicate hobbies or sports orbrothers/sisters. ...etc..2) 12HL in 7H = buying things on maintaining public relations or wife3) 12HL in 10H = spending on career or doing some social work throughdonations4) 12HL in 9H = spending on religious rites or temples or pujas5) 12HL in 4H = spending on house or books or education or mothercomfortness. ..etc.Considering the nature of the planet and its aspect, the expenses arefor good or bad karma can be analyzedWith regards,Sreeram_Srinivas

November 30, 2009

Dear All,

Can any one tell me what is Raghu mangala yoga? I recently heard of it but have not been able to contact the person who said that it exists.regards,

Anita--- On Mon, 30/11/09, sreesog <sreesog wrote:

sreesog <sreesog Re: vyaya? Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 9:23 AM

Dear Shankara Bharadwaj ji, Vyaya means expense. It is identified from the 12th house of horoscope. What kind of vyaya will depend upon 12th lord, planets placed in 12th, planets with navamsa in 12th, Bhavat Bhava checked (from 12th or from any house that is relevant to the current dasa-antara) etc. At every point of life we spend for one thing or other for sure, and so in essence items signified by no house or no planet can escape 'expense' (vyaya). :)Can you please clarify - why this question, and in what context?//how is it known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or prana sakti? //Connection of any relevant house with 12th house can indicate Vyaya. For example if a malefic planet is in 12th from lagna it cannot contribute even a single year to longevity. If 8th lord is in 12th and if the dasa of that 8th lord comes danger to longevity may happen (expense of longevity). If Venus has got a navamsaka in 12th, the

native may spend money for women of bed pleasures. (But the same can also indicate investments, since 12th is bank/deposit) . May expense itself is investment as well - the only difference being that 'if investments return benefit, we call it investment; if not not we call it expense or loss'. ;)Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear list,> > How is vyaya ascertained, from what houses of the horoscope? Also, how is it known what kind of vyaya will happen - dravya, dhana, karma or prana sakti? > > Shankar>

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November 30, 2009

Respected kursija ji,What about 12L in lagna with L/L?Is it he spends on his own selfish things?or some thing else?regards,gopi. , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> Dear Sreeram, > I shall like to add that 12HL in 2nd the native spends on books, kitchen wares, shares and jewels and is fond of eating.> Love> > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj Re: Re: vyaya?> > Monday, November 30, 2009, 6:31 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeram Ji,> > How about 12L in 8H => Spending money on Astrology Books .> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > > > Sre_eram sreeram64 > Mon, November 30, 2009 5:53:41 AM> Re: vyaya?> > > > Dear members,> > The way to calculate or know about the persons spending nature, we all> know it is seen from 12HL + planets in 12H.> The simplest method is see where the planet is placed.> 1) 12HL in 3H can indicate hobbies or sports or> brothers/sisters. ...etc..> 2) 12HL in 7H = buying things on maintaining public relations or wife> 3) 12HL in 10H = spending on career or doing some social work through> donations> 4) 12HL in 9H = spending on religious rites or temples or pujas> 5) 12HL in 4H = spending on house or books or education or mother> comfortness. ..etc.> > Considering the nature of the planet and its aspect, the expenses are> for good or bad karma can be analyzed> > With regards,> Sreeram_Srinivas>

November 30, 2009

Dear Sreeram Ji, How about 12L in 1H => Spending money on self. Regards, Nitin.--- On Mon, 30/11/09, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote:gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Re: vyaya? Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 7:13 PM

Respected kursija ji,What about 12L in lagna with L/L?Is it he spends on his own selfish things?or some thing else?regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sreeram, > I shall like to add that 12HL in 2nd the native spends on books, kitchen wares, shares and jewels and is fond of eating.> Love> > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya?> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, November 30, 2009, 6:31 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeram Ji,> > How about 12L in 8H => Spending money on Astrology

Books .> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > > > Sre_eram sreeram64@.. .> ancient_indian_ astrology> Mon, November 30, 2009 5:53:41 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya?> > > > Dear members,> > The way to calculate or know about the persons spending nature, we all> know it is seen from 12HL + planets in 12H.> The simplest method is see where the planet is placed.> 1) 12HL in 3H can indicate hobbies or sports or> brothers/sisters. ...etc..> 2) 12HL in 7H = buying things on maintaining public relations or wife> 3) 12HL in 10H = spending on career or doing some social work through> donations> 4) 12HL in 9H = spending on religious rites or temples or pujas> 5) 12HL in 4H = spending on

house or books or education or mother> comfortness. ..etc.> > Considering the nature of the planet and its aspect, the expenses are> for good or bad karma can be analyzed> > With regards,> Sreeram_Srinivas>

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November 30, 2009

Dear learned friends,

I would like to know, whether -

1) the 12th lord if placed in some house shows what type of expenditures the

native will spend on ? OR

2) the planet in 12th will show what type of expenditures the native will spend

on ?

regards/bhaskar.

November 30, 2009

Bhaskar ji;

Lalkitab considers 3rd house to be exit door of wealth = expenditure.

Does Shashtri Jyotish also accepts this statement?

Regarding 12th house what factors give preference to its being associated with

materialistic losses;

rather than with Final Emancipation?

Regards

Kulbir

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear learned friends,

>

> I would like to know, whether -

>

> 1) the 12th lord if placed in some house shows what type of expenditures the

native will spend on ? OR

>

> 2) the planet in 12th will show what type of expenditures the native will

spend on ?

>

> regards/bhaskar.

>

November 30, 2009

Dear Kulbir ji,

About Lalkitab I am not fit enough to comment.

I do not know who is Shastri jyotish.

I personally feel that any planet in the 12th will show what type of

expenditures one will go for.

The 12th again is strictly speaking for Capital expenditures. So if

anybody spends money related to this house, then he does so for some

future gain in sight. for instance money spend on factory construction,

or Long term investments (Bonds etc.)where the outflow of money is

certainly there but in sectors which will give returns in future.

Losses should actually occur from the 8th house.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " kulbir "

<kulbirbains wrote:

>

> Bhaskar ji;

>

> Lalkitab considers 3rd house to be exit door of wealth = expenditure.

>

> Does Shashtri Jyotish also accepts this statement?

>

> Regarding 12th house what factors give preference to its being

associated with materialistic losses;

> rather than with Final Emancipation?

>

> Regards

> Kulbir

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear learned friends,

> >

> > I would like to know, whether -

> >

> > 1) the 12th lord if placed in some house shows what type of

expenditures the native will spend on ? OR

> >

> > 2) the planet in 12th will show what type of expenditures the native

will spend on ?

> >

> > regards/bhaskar.

> >

>

November 30, 2009

Bhaskar ji;

In lalkitab terminology SHASHTRI JYOTISH is a term used to refer to other

prevalent streams of astrology.

Actually i meant expenditure, the use of word losses was an error and is

regretted.

I requested your views as to does the system you follow takes into account the

relationship of

i) expenditure with 3rd house.

11) Final Emancipation with 12th house.

regards

Kulbir.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> About Lalkitab I am not fit enough to comment.

>

> I do not know who is Shastri jyotish.

>

> I personally feel that any planet in the 12th will show what type of

> expenditures one will go for.

>

> The 12th again is strictly speaking for Capital expenditures. So if

> anybody spends money related to this house, then he does so for some

> future gain in sight. for instance money spend on factory construction,

> or Long term investments (Bonds etc.)where the outflow of money is

> certainly there but in sectors which will give returns in future.

>

> Losses should actually occur from the 8th house.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

, " kulbir "

> <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar ji;

> >

> > Lalkitab considers 3rd house to be exit door of wealth = expenditure.

> >

> > Does Shashtri Jyotish also accepts this statement?

> >

> > Regarding 12th house what factors give preference to its being

> associated with materialistic losses;

> > rather than with Final Emancipation?

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear learned friends,

> > >

> > > I would like to know, whether -

> > >

> > > 1) the 12th lord if placed in some house shows what type of

> expenditures the native will spend on ? OR

> > >

> > > 2) the planet in 12th will show what type of expenditures the native

> will spend on ?

> > >

> > > regards/bhaskar.

> > >

> >

>

November 30, 2009

Ofcourse Deepak Ji, I was just trying to continue on the "expenses on account of occult" theme.

However, I may have to disagree with you IF the 12L is in 8H, either Exalted or In Own house. This might mean "secret bed pleasures" instead of "obstructions of bed pleasures". So condition of 12L is also quite important.

Regards,

-Manoj

deepak sharma <deepak_rptech Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 6:21:31 AMRe: Re: vyaya?

Dear Manoj Ji,Sorry to Intervene-12L in 8H may be treated as "Bed Comforts in the house of Obstructions"or "Loss of Marital Tie". So, in general "Problems in Marriage".(Only cases with MT signs in 12H to be considered, No Classical reference)Best Regards,Deepak Sharma--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya?ancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, November 30, 2009, 6:31 PM

Dear Sreeram Ji,

How about 12L in 8H => Spending money on Astrology Books .

Regards,

-Manoj

Sre_eram <sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) com>ancient_indian_ astrologyMon, November 30, 2009 5:53:41 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya?

Dear members,The way to calculate or know about the persons spending nature, we allknow it is seen from 12HL + planets in 12H.The simplest method is see where the planet is placed.1) 12HL in 3H can indicate hobbies or sports orbrothers/sisters. ...etc..2) 12HL in 7H = buying things on maintaining public relations or wife3) 12HL in 10H = spending on career or doing some social work throughdonations4) 12HL in 9H = spending on religious rites or temples or pujas5) 12HL in 4H = spending on house or books or education or mothercomfortness. ..etc.Considering the nature of the planet and its aspect, the expenses arefor good or bad karma can be analyzedWith regards,Sreeram_Srinivas

November 30, 2009

Dear Kulbir ji,

It must be " Shastric Jyotish " .

I am a practitioner of the Traditional , as well as the KP system.

Here as you must be aware every house is an expenditure house to the one

previous to it. For instance the 3rd house will be expenditure to the

4th. For education the 3rd house will not allow the student to study.

For living peacefully in ones home, the 3rd house will not allow and

will make the person shift from his house. For a women to deliver the

3rd house is necessary. For loss of happiness through mother , the 3rd

must be active. It is a maraka house for father.

But this factor- expenditure will be there for each house of the

horoscope. Only the significations will change.

Final emancipation will come through the 12th house and the source will

come from the 4th.

In Lalkitab as you rightly said, the 3rd not only shows outlet of

wealth, but also the road to the other world.

" Ghar teeja hai pakka mangal dhan-daulat ke jaane ka.... "

while the 12th shows the final hour of death.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " kulbir "

<kulbirbains wrote:

>

> Bhaskar ji;

>

> In lalkitab terminology SHASHTRI JYOTISH is a term used to refer to

other prevalent streams of astrology.

>

> Actually i meant expenditure, the use of word losses was an error and

is regretted.

>

> I requested your views as to does the system you follow takes into

account the relationship of

> i) expenditure with 3rd house.

> 11) Final Emancipation with 12th house.

>

> regards

> Kulbir.

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir ji,

> >

> > About Lalkitab I am not fit enough to comment.

> >

> > I do not know who is Shastri jyotish.

> >

> > I personally feel that any planet in the 12th will show what type of

> > expenditures one will go for.

> >

> > The 12th again is strictly speaking for Capital expenditures. So if

> > anybody spends money related to this house, then he does so for some

> > future gain in sight. for instance money spend on factory

construction,

> > or Long term investments (Bonds etc.)where the outflow of money is

> > certainly there but in sectors which will give returns in future.

> >

> > Losses should actually occur from the 8th house.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " kulbir "

> > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar ji;

> > >

> > > Lalkitab considers 3rd house to be exit door of wealth =

expenditure.

> > >

> > > Does Shashtri Jyotish also accepts this statement?

> > >

> > > Regarding 12th house what factors give preference to its being

> > associated with materialistic losses;

> > > rather than with Final Emancipation?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear learned friends,

> > > >

> > > > I would like to know, whether -

> > > >

> > > > 1) the 12th lord if placed in some house shows what type of

> > expenditures the native will spend on ? OR

> > > >

> > > > 2) the planet in 12th will show what type of expenditures the

native

> > will spend on ?

> > > >

> > > > regards/bhaskar.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 30, 2009

Very good. I did not raise this point else they would have sprung on me

saying that this man always talks about women and such jokes.

It may be that the 12th in 8th would indicate expenditures made on

account of secret physical liasons.

regards/bhaskar.

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Ofcourse Deepak Ji, I was just trying to continue on the " expenses on

account of occult " theme.

>

> Â However, I may have to disagree with you IF the 12L is in 8H,

either Exalted orÂ In Own house. This might mean " secret bed

pleasures " insteadÂ of " obstructions of bed pleasures " . So condition

of 12L is also quite important.

> Â

> Regards,

> Â -Manoj

> Â

>

> ________________________________

> deepak sharma deepak_rptech

>

> Mon, November 30, 2009 6:21:31 AM

> Re: Re: vyaya?

>

> Â

> Dear Manoj Ji,

> Sorry to Intervene-

> 12L in 8H may be treated as " Bed Comforts in the house of

Obstructions "

> or " Loss of Marital Tie " . So, in general " Problems in Marriage " .

> (Only cases with MT signs in 12H to be considered, No Classical

> reference)

> Best Regards,

> Deepak Sharma

>

> --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

wrote:

>

> >Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya?

> >ancient_indian_ astrology

> >Monday, November 30, 2009, 6:31 PM

> >

> >Â

> >Dear Sreeram Ji,

> >

> >How about 12L in 8H => Spending money on Astrology BooksÂ .

> >Â

> >Regards,

> >Â -Manoj

> >Â

> >

> ________________________________

> Sre_eram sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) com>

> >ancient_indian_ astrology

> >Mon, November 30, 2009 5:53:41 AM

> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya?

> >

> >Â

> >Dear members,

> >

> >The way to calculate or know about the persons spending nature, we

all

> >know it is seen from 12HL + planets in 12H.

> >The simplest method is see where the planet is placed.

> >1) 12HL in 3H can indicate hobbies or sports or

> >brothers/sisters. ...etc..

> >2) 12HL in 7H = buying things on maintaining public relations or wife

> >3) 12HL in 10H = spending on career or doing some social work through

> >donations

> >4) 12HL in 9H = spending on religious rites or temples or pujas

> >5) 12HL in 4H = spending on house or books or education or mother

> >comfortness. ..etc.

> >

> >Considering the nature of the planet and its aspect, the expenses are

> >for good or bad karma can be analyzed

> >

> >With regards,

> >Sreeram_Srinivas

> >

>

November 30, 2009

Bhaskar ji;

Robert Svaboda in his book Light On Life has some interesting observations that

you would like to read regarding planet's placement in 12th house and type of

expenditure.

" A well placed Jupiter in the twelfth house may indicate losses due to charity,

which may produce gains from religious point of view.

A poorly placed Jupiter in the twelfth though, may indicate donations to a

potentially fraudulent religious cause.

Venus in 12th if poorly placed may indicate loss through opposite sex (not just

financial), if well placed there may still be expenditure of vitality and money

in this direction, but commensurate enjoyment (bhoga) will be obtained as well.

Regards

kulbir

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> About Lalkitab I am not fit enough to comment.

>

> I do not know who is Shastri jyotish.

>

> I personally feel that any planet in the 12th will show what type of

> expenditures one will go for.

>

> The 12th again is strictly speaking for Capital expenditures. So if

> anybody spends money related to this house, then he does so for some

> future gain in sight. for instance money spend on factory construction,

> or Long term investments (Bonds etc.)where the outflow of money is

> certainly there but in sectors which will give returns in future.

>

> Losses should actually occur from the 8th house.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

, " kulbir "

> <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar ji;

> >

> > Lalkitab considers 3rd house to be exit door of wealth = expenditure.

> >

> > Does Shashtri Jyotish also accepts this statement?

> >

> > Regarding 12th house what factors give preference to its being

> associated with materialistic losses;

> > rather than with Final Emancipation?

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear learned friends,

> > >

> > > I would like to know, whether -

> > >

> > > 1) the 12th lord if placed in some house shows what type of

> expenditures the native will spend on ? OR

> > >

> > > 2) the planet in 12th will show what type of expenditures the native

> will spend on ?

> > >

> > > regards/bhaskar.

> > >

> >

>

December 1, 2009

Dear Kulbir ji,

Its perhaps 6 years or more since I read this book and not completely

but from here and there frisking through pages , and had promised to

myself that would read this book slowly and completely. But this has not

yet come to happen. We have million other things to do in the day.

Robert Svoboda is a wonderful writer , and this single book has more to

teach than many other Indian authors combined could teach in astrology.

And that too Indian astrology. Why dont we have writers like him who

could explain the logistics and the applications of the rules and the

why of them.

What he has mentioned about the 12th house is similiar to what I

mentioned in my previous mail .

By the way when we were talking about 12th in 8th, none of us it seems

remembered the fact that it also causes Vipareeta Raj Yoga.

regards,

Bhaskar

December 1, 2009

Dear Manoj Ji,

I think both opinions regarding bed comforts are correct.

"Secret bed pleasures" may be an outcome of "obstructions

of bed pleasures with the life partner or in the absence of life

partner".

I've observed many such divorce cases where 12L in 8H is

one of the factors.

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

--- On Tue, 12/1/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: vyaya? Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 12:04 AM

Ofcourse Deepak Ji, I was just trying to continue on the "expenses on account of occult" theme.

However, I may have to disagree with you IF the 12L is in 8H, either Exalted or In Own house. This might mean "secret bed pleasures" instead of "obstructions of bed pleasures". So condition of 12L is also quite important.

Regards,

-Manoj

deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >ancient_indian_ astrologyMon, November 30, 2009 6:21:31 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya?

Dear Manoj Ji,Sorry to Intervene-12L in 8H may be treated as "Bed Comforts in the house of Obstructions"or "Loss of Marital Tie". So, in general "Problems in Marriage".(Only cases with MT signs in 12H to be considered, No Classical reference)Best Regards,Deepak Sharma--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya?ancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, November 30, 2009, 6:31 PM

Dear Sreeram Ji,

How about 12L in 8H => Spending money on Astrology Books .

Regards,

-Manoj

Sre_eram <sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) com>ancient_indian_ astrologyMon, November 30, 2009 5:53:41 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: vyaya?

Dear members,The way to calculate or know about the persons spending nature, we allknow it is seen from 12HL + planets in 12H.The simplest method is see where the planet is placed.1) 12HL in 3H can indicate hobbies or sports orbrothers/sisters. ...etc..2) 12HL in 7H = buying things on maintaining public relations or wife3) 12HL in 10H = spending on career or doing some social work throughdonations4) 12HL in 9H = spending on religious rites or temples or pujas5) 12HL in 4H = spending on house or books or education or mothercomfortness. ..etc.Considering the nature of the planet and its aspect, the expenses arefor good or bad karma can be analyzedWith regards,Sreeram_Srinivas

December 1, 2009

Dear members,

12HL in Lagna = native spends on himself. Other contributing factors of

Lagna would decide on the nature of spending.

Mr. Kursija's input = That 12HL in 2H the native spends on books,

kitchen wares and is fond of eating.

Mr. Kursija's comment = " shares and jewels " = possible only when other

planetary combination.

Reason - 2H is family wealth & property, hence shares and jewels are out

of its purview, for they represent individual or incase of jewels is

given to house lady which cannot considered as family wealth (indian

context)

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

December 1, 2009

Bhaskar ji, thanks for this information.

Regards

Kulbir

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> It must be " Shastric Jyotish " .

>

> I am a practitioner of the Traditional , as well as the KP system.

>

> Here as you must be aware every house is an expenditure house to the one

> previous to it. For instance the 3rd house will be expenditure to the

> 4th. For education the 3rd house will not allow the student to study.

> For living peacefully in ones home, the 3rd house will not allow and

> will make the person shift from his house. For a women to deliver the

> 3rd house is necessary. For loss of happiness through mother , the 3rd

> must be active. It is a maraka house for father.

>

> But this factor- expenditure will be there for each house of the

> horoscope. Only the significations will change.

>

> Final emancipation will come through the 12th house and the source will

> come from the 4th.

>

> In Lalkitab as you rightly said, the 3rd not only shows outlet of

> wealth, but also the road to the other world.

>

> " Ghar teeja hai pakka mangal dhan-daulat ke jaane ka.... "

>

> while the 12th shows the final hour of death.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> , " kulbir "

> <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar ji;

> >

> > In lalkitab terminology SHASHTRI JYOTISH is a term used to refer to

> other prevalent streams of astrology.

> >

> > Actually i meant expenditure, the use of word losses was an error and

> is regretted.

> >

> > I requested your views as to does the system you follow takes into

> account the relationship of

> > i) expenditure with 3rd house.

> > 11) Final Emancipation with 12th house.

> >

> > regards

> > Kulbir.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > >

> > > About Lalkitab I am not fit enough to comment.

> > >

> > > I do not know who is Shastri jyotish.

> > >

> > > I personally feel that any planet in the 12th will show what type of

> > > expenditures one will go for.

> > >

> > > The 12th again is strictly speaking for Capital expenditures. So if

> > > anybody spends money related to this house, then he does so for some

> > > future gain in sight. for instance money spend on factory

> construction,

> > > or Long term investments (Bonds etc.)where the outflow of money is

> > > certainly there but in sectors which will give returns in future.

> > >

> > > Losses should actually occur from the 8th house.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " kulbir "

> > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar ji;

> > > >

> > > > Lalkitab considers 3rd house to be exit door of wealth =

> expenditure.

> > > >

> > > > Does Shashtri Jyotish also accepts this statement?

> > > >

> > > > Regarding 12th house what factors give preference to its being

> > > associated with materialistic losses;

> > > > rather than with Final Emancipation?

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear learned friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > I would like to know, whether -

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) the 12th lord if placed in some house shows what type of

> > > expenditures the native will spend on ? OR

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) the planet in 12th will show what type of expenditures the

> native

> > > will spend on ?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards/bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 1, 2009

Dear Bhaskar Ji,

Yes 12thL in 8th leads

to vipareetha raja yoja.

In this matter I have to say that the trik

lords in each other houses negates the ill effects of the trik houses to a

large effect. Meaning 6th lord in 8th and 12th,

8th lord in 6th and 12th and 12th lord

on 6th and 8th.

Regards

Santhosh

On Behalf Of Bhaskar

Tuesday, December 01, 2009

8:08 AM

Subject:

Re: vyaya?