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On 08 Mar 2007 01:03:01 -0800, jaffnaman23 <jaffnaman23 wrote:

Dear KP Lovers,

Thanks for making me a member of this group.

I am a ''Student of KP System'' - have been learning KP system by reading KSK's books, Articles from ''KP year Books'' (from another KP Lover) and participating in few other Astrology-Groups.

First of all I want to thank Mr. Raichur for making the KP-software available free ,in this group file section. THANK YOU

!

I spent some time in going through the ''Articles'' in the File section.

I found that in some articles, Sublords of the Lagna & The Moon were taken for the RP, so with the Day-lord, the total Number of RP would be 7. And, t

here are only 9 planets (not considering Nept, uranus & ?? Pluto). The worst will be when Rahu/Ketu acts as an Agent for other two left over planets, making All 9 planets as RP.

I like to know how many of this group members agree to take Sublord also for RP.

Regarding the studies on ''Birth Time Rectification'' by Mr. Rangarajan Krishnamurthy:

I like to know whether he checked that whether there were ANY Delivery of Babies in the Hospitals he mentioned ( In India, still Mothers deliver their Babies at their home without getting admitted to any Hospitals )

during the Time period he mentioned (according to the method used in each study) as No Child-birth can happen or so.

As I said there are Home-Deliveries, ''No Child Birth/Delivery'' in the Hospitals, does NOT mean that there were NO Child-BIRTH during that particular time period ,and therefore, does not prove the method/methods effective or Correct.

But, a single Delivery in any of the Hospital will prove that the method is wrong!!

Recently, I read about a Method for ''Birth Time Rectification'' using the SubSublord of Lagna instead of Sublord (I haven't got / read those Books yet, so I can't write the Method here). Also, a method to check the Sex of the Native, for the Birth Time Rectification.

It would be better if this method too get varified.

Please note I am not criticizing anyone's Method or finding fault with anyone, I just want to know whether these methods really work.

Please don't mistake me !

Thanks

Best Wishes

JaffnaMan.

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Jaffnaman ji,

Please see my answers inline below.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On 08 Mar 2007 01:03:01 -0800, jaffnaman23 <jaffnaman23 wrote:

Dear KP Lovers,

Thanks for making me a member of this group.

I am a ''Student of KP System'' - have been learning KP system by reading KSK's books, Articles from ''KP year Books'' (from another KP Lover) and participating in few other Astrology-Groups.

First of all I want to thank Mr. Raichur for making the KP-software available free ,in this group file section. THANK YOU

!

I spent some time in going through the ''Articles'' in the File section.

I found that in some articles, Sublords of the Lagna & The Moon were taken for the RP, so with the Day-lord, the total Number of RP would be 7. And, t

here are only 9 planets (not considering Nept, uranus & ?? Pluto). The worst will be when Rahu/Ketu acts as an Agent for other two left over planets, making All 9 planets as RP.

I like to know how many of this group members agree to take Sublord also for RP.

To get answer of this question I would suggest you to study Varahamihira's theory of birth time rectification from where Shri KSK has drawn his theory. RPs are the planets ruling particular moment of time. Every moment is always influenced by all the nine planets. Only difference is few planets are more influential than others, and we need to pick up the most influential ones. It is upto you to take sub, sub-sub or sub-sub-sub. By introducing RPs, Shri KSK tried to simplify this selection process nothing else. By introducing sub-sub, we will be making the process more complex. One need to use his/ her own wisdom and experience. I personally feel that all the planets influencing ascendant and moon are the (most influential) ruling planets (for that moment). I also think that in any statistical study we should not take the sub in the RP, as they are not given in the original study of Shri KSK.

Regarding the studies on ''Birth Time Rectification'' by Mr. Rangarajan Krishnamurthy:

I like to know whether he checked that whether there were ANY Delivery of Babies in the Hospitals he mentioned ( In India, still Mothers deliver their Babies at their home without getting admitted to any Hospitals )

during the Time period he mentioned (according to the method used in each study) as No Child-birth can happen or so.

As I said there are Home-Deliveries, ''No Child Birth/Delivery'' in the Hospitals, does NOT mean that there were NO Child-BIRTH during that particular time period ,and therefore, does not prove the method/methods effective or Correct.

But, a single Delivery in any of the Hospital will prove that the method is wrong!!

As Rangarajan ji is not active participant now a days, I don't think that there is any benefit in discussing this.

Recently, I read about a Method for ''Birth Time Rectification'' using the SubSublord of Lagna instead of Sublord (I haven't got / read those Books yet, so I can't write the Method here). Also, a method to check the Sex of the Native, for the Birth Time Rectification.

It would be better if this method too get varified.

There are lots of method available for birth time rectification, but what lacks is a validation framework. Till the time we agree on validation framework, I don't think that we can ever reach on any consensus. I think the best method is to predict something based on the rectified chart. If that comes out true than the method is acceptable one, otherwise it is not acceptable. Just talking about theory doesn't make any sense to me.

Please note I am not criticizing anyone's Method or finding fault with anyone, I just want to know whether these methods really work.

I appreciate for bringing such an interesting and important topic.

Please don't mistake me !

Thanks

Best Wishes

JaffnaMan.

Dear Jaffnaman, Rangarajan prove by his study that if Asc sub lord and Moon star lord rule is valid then it is nit possible to born child at time given in his study and as you stated it is not possible, means rule Asc sub lord and Moon star lord rule is look fallacy.( you Can say same with Asc sub sub or asc sub sub sub or asc sub sub sub ) Please go to may 2005 mail read carefully follow discussion, i hope you will found all answer of your question. regards Kanak Bosmia Jaffnaman ji, Please see my answers inline below. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 08 Mar 2007 01:03:01 -0800, jaffnaman23 <jaffnaman23 > wrote: Dear KP Lovers, Thanks for making me a member of this group. I am a ''Student of KP System'' - have been learning KP system by reading KSK's books, Articles from ''KP

year Books'' (from another KP Lover) and participating in few other Astrology-Groups. First of all I want to thank Mr. Raichur for making the KP-software available free ,in this group file section. THANK YOU ! I spent some time in going through the ''Articles'' in the File section. I found that in some articles, Sublords of the Lagna & The Moon were taken for the RP, so with the Day-lord, the total Number of RP would be 7. And, t here are only 9 planets (not considering Nept, uranus & ?? Pluto). The worst will be when Rahu/Ketu acts as an Agent for other two left over planets, making All 9 planets

as RP. I like to know how many of this group members agree to take Sublord also for RP. To get answer of this question I would suggest you to study Varahamihira's theory of birth time rectification from where Shri KSK has drawn his theory. RPs are the planets ruling particular moment of time. Every moment is always influenced by all the nine planets. Only difference is few planets are more influential than others, and we need to pick up the most influential ones. It is upto you to take sub, sub-sub or sub-sub-sub. By introducing RPs, Shri KSK tried to simplify this selection process nothing else. By introducing sub-sub, we will be making the process more complex. One need to use his/ her own wisdom and experience. I personally feel that all the planets influencing ascendant and moon

are the (most influential) ruling planets (for that moment). I also think that in any statistical study we should not take the sub in the RP, as they are not given in the original study of Shri KSK. Regarding the studies on ''Birth Time Rectification'' by Mr. Rangarajan Krishnamurthy: I like to know whether he checked that whether there were ANY Delivery of Babies in the Hospitals he mentioned ( In India, still Mothers deliver their Babies at their home without getting admitted to any Hospitals ) during the Time period he mentioned (according to the method used in each study) as No Child-birth can happen or so. As I said there are Home-Deliveries, ''No Child Birth/Delivery'' in the Hospitals, does NOT mean that there were NO Child-BIRTH during that particular time period ,and therefore, does not prove the method/methods effective or Correct. But, a single Delivery in any of the Hospital will prove that the method is wrong!! As Rangarajan ji is not active participant now a days, I don't think that there is any benefit in discussing this. Recently, I read about a Method for ''Birth Time Rectification'' using the SubSublord of Lagna instead of Sublord (I haven't got /

read those Books yet, so I can't write the Method here). Also, a method to check the Sex of the Native, for the Birth Time Rectification. It would be better if this method too get varified. There are lots of method available for birth time rectification, but what lacks is a validation framework. Till the time we agree on validation framework, I don't think that we can ever reach on any consensus. I think the best method is to predict something based on the rectified chart. If that comes out true than the method is acceptable one, otherwise it is not acceptable. Just talking about theory doesn't make any sense to me. Please note I am not criticizing anyone's Method or finding fault with anyone, I just want to know whether these methods really work. I appreciate for bringing such an interesting and important topic. Please don't mistake me ! Thanks Best Wishes JaffnaMan. "A person should not be

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We have seen a lot of discussion on this topic in the past without any conclusion. It ended up with the exchange of bitter words and disturbance in the forum. I would request everybody to leave this topic and move on.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On 10 Mar 2007 22:32:02 -0800, bindira2003 <bindira2003 wrote:

dear sirThe first cry of the child is the same when the ambilical chord is cut.This may be lesser than 2 seconds. This time should be taken as the exact birth time.Only 5 rps are enough. Lagna star lord is very powerful & this lord should be given much importance.He may be the lagna lord of the querent.Sub lords are not considered. If we do so we will all the 9 planets as RPs & there will be confusion in omitting the planets.

B. Indira , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Sir,> > Yes, to each his own.> Yes very true. No system would give 100%. About what is the right > birth time You may view my postings in " Jyotish Group " . Neither

> the first cry neither the cutting of Umblical chord or placenta, but > only the first breath inhaled can constitute the birth time. If the > cutting of the chord or first cry corresponds within a few seconds > with these,> then well and good, otherwise the first inhalation is only to be > considered as the right birth time.> > regards,> Bhaskar. > > > > , " R Satish " <rsatish1942@> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Bhaskar,> > > > What matter is which systems works.In any case the> > success factor does not statistically exceed over 81-83 %.We all can> > argue till the cows come home as was done 2 years ago,with no final> > conclusion.> > > > The general practice is RPs at the TOJ should match> > RPs at Birth.If not correction to be done.When there is a basic > issue> > of what constitutes a correct birth time,which remains unresolved as> > on date, Corrections will all remain an area of discussion.> > > > In short each one to himself.> > > > Regards,> > > > Satish> >

> > > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:

> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar> > > KSK in his book, has taken only 5 as the RPS. 1.Day Lord, 2 Moon> > sign lord, 3 Moon starlord, 4. Asc. Sign Lord, 5. Asc Star Lord.> > rahu/ketu if in signs of any of these

> > > The sublords have been added by his disciples, later on. > > > In 4th Step Method, only 4 are considered, eeven the Asc star-> lord> > is omitted.> > > In my work I use only 5 as originally stipulated.

> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > Dear Jaffman,> > > > > > I am not a expert on KP, just a lover. > > > Too many cooks spoil the broth,

> > > So too many Rps will not suit to come to any > > > conclusion, is what I feel.> > > Because wheres the choice here from few ? here> > > the choice remains from all the planets we know,

> > > so this makes no sense.> > > Rps have to be applied to make the list short,> > > and not add all the available planets> > > with us to the list.> > > If 7 Planets have to be taken ,then why do RP's at all,

> > > the list of 7 planets is already ready with us.> > > I feel Ascendant Lord at time of Judgement, Star Lord> > > of Moon, Sign Lord of Moon and Day Lord primarily.> > > Ascendant star lord may be taken secondarily,and > > > Rahu and Ketu if connected to the above RP Lords,> > > > > > I do not think Sublord should be taken as RP,on the> > > contrary the RPs should be connected to fix the > > > Sub Lord. Taking Sublord of Lagna as the pointer,to> > > match from the available Rps, to rectify the > > > Birth time, is I believe a very old method, and> > > nothing new.

> > > > > > The above are my personal comments, not sure> > > what the experts feel about it.> > > > > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > , " jaffnaman23 " <jaffnaman23@>

> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear KP Lovers,> > > > > > > > Thanks for making me a member of this group.> > > > > > > > I am a ''Student of KP System'' - have been learning KP system > by> > > > reading KSK's books, Articles from ''KP year Books'' (from > another > > > KP> > > > Lover) and participating in few other Astrology-Groups.> > > > > > > > First of all I want to thank Mr. Raichur for making the KP-

> software> > > > available free ,in this group file section. THANK YOU !> > > > > > > > I spent some time in going through the ''Articles'' in the

File > > > section.> > > > > > > > I found that in some articles, Sublords of the Lagna & The Moon > > > were> > > > taken for the RP, so with the Day-lord, the total Number of RP > > > would be> > > > 7. And, there are only 9 planets (not considering Nept, uranus > & ??> > > > Pluto). The worst will be when Rahu/Ketu acts as an Agent for > > > other two> > > > left over planets, making All 9 planets as RP.> > > > > > > > I like to know how many of this group members agree to take > Sublord > > > also> > > > for RP.> > > > > > > > Regarding the studies on ''Birth Time Rectification'' by Mr. > > > Rangarajan> > > > Krishnamurthy:

> > > > > > > > I like to know whether he checked that whether there were ANY > > > Delivery> > > > of Babies in the Hospitals he mentioned ( In India, still

> Mothers> > > > deliver their Babies at their home without getting admitted to > any> > > > Hospitals ) during the Time period he mentioned (according to > the > > > method

> > > > used in each study) as No Child-birth can happen or so.> > > > > > > > As I said there are Home-Deliveries, ''No Child > Birth/Delivery'' in

> > > the> > > > Hospitals, does NOT mean that there were NO Child-BIRTH during > that> > > > particular time period ,and therefore, does not prove the > > > method/methods

> > > > effective or Correct.> > > > > > > > But, a single Delivery in any of the Hospital will prove that > the > > > method> > > > is wrong!!

> > > > > > > > Recently, I read about a Method for ''Birth Time > Rectification'' > > > using> > > > the SubSublord of Lagna instead of Sublord (I haven't got / > read > > > those> > > > Books yet, so I can't write the Method here). Also, a method to > > > check> > > > the Sex of the Native, for the Birth Time Rectification.

> > > > > > > > It would be better if this method too get varified.> > > > > > > > Please note I am not criticizing anyone's Method or finding > fault > > > with> > > > anyone, I just want to know whether these methods really work.> > > > > > > > Please don't mistake me !> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > > > > JaffnaMan.> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck> > > Raichur A R> > > Bombay Tel 2506 2609> > > > > > > > > Don't pick lemons.

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