Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2007 Dear Madhu ji, Dr Samuel Johnson ? I don't know the real name of Krishnan Kaul, except that fact that he is the person behind the HinduCalender group. I request Kaul ji to reveal his identity (if he would like to) so that the confusions can be avoided. I don't like that word 'Avatar' prefixed to his name - which reflect the ego, but respects the knowledge and will encourage the debates that that provide knowledge input. Of course, there is enough arguments and info on both sides (Nirayana and Sayana) to hold the ground - and both of them support astrology. As everybody know - even the determiniation of 'Auspecious Muhurta' reflect the existence of Predictive astrology - if predictive astrology is not present how can a muhurta be 'Auspecious'?! But again, Madhu ji, please avoid personal remarks, because strong mountains with enough strength are not afraid of even strong winds. The bouts are enjoyable to warriors with a fighting spirit, especially when truth is there to backup. Love, Sreenadh , Madhu Nair <balagurusurya wrote: > > Hi, > I never Knew Dr Samuel Johnson had taken a new Avathar to teach vocabulary to members of sreenad's list.After utter failure of their ephemeris , perhaps the Avathars has now decided to teach English. > Pedants like you are the " REAL LIABILTY " to Vedanga Jyotish > M > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <a_krishen wrote: > Hi, Madhu ji, > It appears my English is very " poor " since I cannot understand what > you mean by > <you should first consult a genuine Sanskrit pundit and ensure > whether the word Parashara has got " Liberated One " : has its synonymn> > Would you kindly be my " English Pandit (or is it 'Pundit'?) " and > explain to me the meaning of the above sentence. > AKK > , Madhu Nair > <balagurusurya@> wrote: > > > > Hi AKK, > > Prior to whipping off any meaningless controversy pertaining to > the existence of Sage Parashara, you should first consult a genuine > Sanskrit pundit and ensure whether the word Parashara has got > " Liberated One " : has its synonymn > > > > M > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <a_krishen@> wrote: > > Dear members, > > Namaskar! > > It has been said > > <n the > > > > > Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says: > > > > > Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam > > > > > Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi. > > > > > (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya) > > > > > Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not Parasara > > > > Hora. > > > > > But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all the 3 > > > > > skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora). > > > > > From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has written 3 > > > > > books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and Parasara > Hora.> > > > > In other words, even Bhatotpala of 7th century was going by a hearsay! > > Thus it does not at all prove by any stretch of imagination that > > there really exited a Parashara Hora at that time or even prior to > > that era! > > > > The half a dozen BPHS floating in the market available a dozen a dime > > are all concoctions in the name of Parashara, where one BPHS does not > > agree with another! > > > > For further details, please log on to > > HinduCalendar. > > > > Shri Sreenadh is already a member of that group. > > Dhanyavad. > > AKK > > , " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Know how! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2007 Shri Sreeenadhji, Namaskar! First of all, I must pay a fulsome tribute to your courage for having invited me to join this " " forum, knowng fully well that I am agaisnt any predictive gimmicks being supposed to have been the hallmark of ancient Indian culture! Now to the brass-takcs! My name is Avtar Krishen Kaul. I am no impostor! My full address, telephone number etc. etc. are available in BVB6 document at HinduCalendar forum. Koshur6.doc there will throw a flood of light about my " astrological background " and other credentials. I was banned by " Vedic-Astrology " forum since they could not find any reply to my queries! However, it is nothing new to me, since I have been banned by quite a few fourms like " Hinduism_Environment " , " OmNamahShivaya " , " NavyaShastra " etc. etc., to name a few. Some forums I left myself like Aryasamajonline! It is immaterial to me whether someone calls me Dr. Samuel Johnosn or an Avatar of someone else, since today's " scholars " have a " nice " habit of hurling personal abuse instead of clarifying a point that an " ignoramus " person like me could not follow! You must have witenssed such bickerings even at HinduCalendar forum where nobody agrees with anybody else, least of all with me, sicne I am against any predictive gimmicks if they are supposed to have been " revealed " by our seers as nothing could be futher from truth than such injustice to our Rishis! I have yet to receive any response to the document " Rotary " which I uploaded on this forum! Let me clarify it here that there was a time when I was under the impression that the Vedas talked about and preached a so called Sayana predictive system, which was based on so called Sayana Rashis. However, later on, I woke up to the situation that since there are no Mesha etc. Rashis in the Vedas, it is foolish on our part to call any rashi based predictive system as Vedic, whether it is sayana or nirayana! All these points have been clairifed in several posts at HinduCalendar forum. Our Rishis used Madhu, Madhava etc. names for solar/lunar months to decide their muhurtas and festivals etc. Those names can be said to be in agreement with today's sayana rashis! But ironically, Rashis can never be sayana since rashis means constellations and no constellation starts with First point of Aries these days! Then more irnoically, if we talk of sayana rashis, we have to forget about nakshatras, which have been referred to in the Vedas times without number, since the First Pooint of Aries is these days in exact conjunction with Purva Bhadra nakshata-II. (Please see Star tables in HinduCalendar forum!) That is why I have been crying hoarse -- you have to choose either of the two i.e. predictive astrology or calendar reform! With regards, A K Kaul , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Madhu ji, > Dr Samuel Johnson ? I don't know the real name of Krishnan Kaul, > except that fact that he is the person behind the HinduCalender group. > > I request Kaul ji to reveal his identity (if he would like to) so > that the confusions can be avoided. I don't like that word 'Avatar' > prefixed to his name - which reflect the ego, but respects the > knowledge and will encourage the debates that that provide knowledge > input. > > Of course, there is enough arguments and info on both sides > (Nirayana and Sayana) to hold the ground - and both of them support > astrology. As everybody know - even the determiniation of 'Auspecious > Muhurta' reflect the existence of Predictive astrology - if > predictive astrology is not present how can a muhurta > be 'Auspecious'?! > > But again, Madhu ji, please avoid personal remarks, because strong > mountains with enough strength are not afraid of even strong > winds. The bouts are enjoyable to warriors with a fighting > spirit, especially when truth is there to backup. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , Madhu Nair > <balagurusurya@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I never Knew Dr Samuel Johnson had taken a new Avathar to teach > vocabulary to members of sreenad's list.After utter failure of their > ephemeris , perhaps the Avathars has now decided to teach English. > > Pedants like you are the " REAL LIABILTY " to Vedanga Jyotish > > M > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <a_krishen@> wrote: > > Hi, Madhu ji, > > It appears my English is very " poor " since I cannot understand what > > you mean by > > <you should first consult a genuine Sanskrit pundit and ensure > > whether the word Parashara has got " Liberated One " : has its > synonymn> > > Would you kindly be my " English Pandit (or is it 'Pundit'?) " and > > explain to me the meaning of the above sentence. > > AKK > > , Madhu Nair > > <balagurusurya@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi AKK, > > > Prior to whipping off any meaningless controversy pertaining to > > the existence of Sage Parashara, you should first consult a genuine > > Sanskrit pundit and ensure whether the word Parashara has got > > " Liberated One " : has its synonymn > > > > > > M > > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <a_krishen@> wrote: > > > Dear members, > > > Namaskar! > > > It has been said > > > <n the > > > > > > Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says: > > > > > > Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam > > > > > > Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi. > > > > > > (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya) > > > > > > Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not > Parasara > > > > > Hora. > > > > > > But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all > the 3 > > > > > > skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora). > > > > > > From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has > written 3 > > > > > > books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and > Parasara > > Hora.> > > > > > > In other words, even Bhatotpala of 7th century was going by a > hearsay! > > > Thus it does not at all prove by any stretch of imagination that > > > there really exited a Parashara Hora at that time or even prior to > > > that era! > > > > > > The half a dozen BPHS floating in the market available a dozen a > dime > > > are all concoctions in the name of Parashara, where one BPHS does > not > > > agree with another! > > > > > > For further details, please log on to > > > HinduCalendar. > > > > > > Shri Sreenadh is already a member of that group. > > > Dhanyavad. > > > AKK > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Know > how! > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2007 Dear Kaul ji, Thanks for the following info. ==> > My name is Avtar Krishen Kaul. I am no impostor! My full address, > telephone number etc. etc. are available in BVB6 document at > HinduCalendar forum. Koshur6.doc there will throw a flood of light > about my " astrological background " and other credentials. <== ==> > I am against any predictive gimmicks if they are supposed to have > been " revealed " by our seers as nothing could be futher from truth > than such injustice to our Rishis! <== Let us not be so bold in it - if there is enough proof and usefulness let us accept it, if not reject. The history of fragmented knowledge about the history of astrology we have today (especially the one you depend upon) is not enough make the statement that they never supported astrology. Let us first understand the limitation of our knowledge - before rejecting the accumulated knowledge of generations (many like us and better). ==> > I have yet to receive any response to the document " Rotary " which I > uploaded on this forum! <== It does not need an answer - it is your opinion, to most of which I (or we) don't agree and let it be there for some time. I don't have spend a whole lot of time to respond each and every item mentioned there; but an occasional discussion of some of those points would be ok. (Even the heated discussions shouldn't cause wasting all the energy from doing productive work. Discussions are for relaxed and joyous sharing of knowledge that provides happiness to all parties involved - whether the friends involved agree to agree or agree to disagree) ==> > Let me clarify it here that there was a time when I was under the > impression that the Vedas talked about and preached a so called > Sayana predictive system, which was based on so called Sayana > Rashis. However, later on, I woke up to the situation that since > there are no Mesha etc. Rashis in the Vedas, it is foolish on our > part to call any rashi based predictive system as Vedic, whether it > is sayana or nirayana! <== * There are several slokas in the Vedas that point to the fact that both Sayana and Nirayana Zodiac were in use. This leads to the conclusion that both Sayana and Nirayana systems are supported by Vedas. * Fixing of 'Auspicious Muhurtas' gets importance or value, only when predictive astrology is accepted. * Clear predictive astrology is visible in suktas that predict the result for Nakshatras and in suktas such as the one which says " If a child is born in Moola star, he will cause the destruction of the clan " etc. * It is clear that sidereal stellar astrology was in use from the mention of " Nakshatras " (fixed stellar divisions; these are surely related to constellations and not areas with moving boundaries as you argue). The word " Nakshatra " is used in Vedas ONLY to mean 27 or 28 stellar divisions and not " Taras " (stars). ==> > Our Rishis used Madhu, Madhava etc. names for solar/lunar months to > decide their muhurtas and festivals etc. > Those names can be said to be in agreement with today's sayana > rashis! But ironically, Rashis can never be sayana since rashis > means constellations and no constellation starts with First point > of Aries these days! <== The existence and use of solar, lunar or luni-solar months are year systems reveals the good knowledge of Vedic people about the same. Apart from this the Muhurta, Paksha, Day, Yuga, 5 Year Yuga system and many time divisions were in use. It is good to have such good knowledge about even such things - in such an early period. ==> > Then more irnoically, if we talk of sayana rashis, we have to > forget about nakshatras, which have been referred to in the Vedas > times without number, since the First Pooint of Aries is these days > in exact conjunction with Purva Bhadra nakshata-II. (Please see > Star tables in HinduCalendar forum!) <== I don't understand this point - why " if we talk of sayana rashis, we have to forget about nakshatras " - the logic is not clear. As of the document you mention is concerned, I will refer to it at my convenience later. ==> > That is why I have been crying hoarse -- you have to choose either > of the two i.e. predictive astrology or calendar reform! <== Yes, that is your approach - and we appreciate the same. But for us there could be 2 types of calendars - 1) Sayana calendar - which should be mainly used for agricultural and other purposes, because the seasons depend on the same. 2) Nirayana Calendar - which should be used for the sole purpose of astrology; because it represent the rhythm of the universe (The Nirayana Zodiac is a mathematical modal that depict the rhythm of movement of the total solar system over a long period). The origin of Nirayana Zodiac finds its origin in Yuga system and Tantric/Yogic experience of rhythm of breath pattern. But both ways - whether Sayana or Nirayan - predictive system was and is in use. But yes one thing is right - Predictive system (whether it is Sayana or Nirayana; whether it is Rasi or Nakshatra based) needs a Calendar; But for a Calendar to exist the existence of a predictive system is not necessary. Love, Sreenadh , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <a_krishen wrote: > > Shri Sreeenadhji, > Namaskar! > First of all, I must pay a fulsome tribute to your courage for > having invited me to join this " " forum, > knowng fully well that I am agaisnt any predictive gimmicks being > supposed to have been the hallmark of ancient Indian culture! > Now to the brass-takcs! > My name is Avtar Krishen Kaul. I am no impostor! My full address, > telephone number etc. etc. are available in BVB6 document at > HinduCalendar forum. Koshur6.doc there will throw a flood of light > about my " astrological background " and other credentials. > I was banned by " Vedic-Astrology " forum since they could not find > any reply to my queries! However, it is nothing new to me, since I > have been banned by quite a few fourms > like " Hinduism_Environment " , " OmNamahShivaya " , " NavyaShastra " etc. > etc., to name a few. Some forums I left myself like Aryasamajonline! > It is immaterial to me whether someone calls me Dr. Samuel Johnosn > or an Avatar of someone else, since today's " scholars " have a " nice " > habit of hurling personal abuse instead of clarifying a point that > an " ignoramus " person like me could not follow! You must have > witenssed such bickerings even at HinduCalendar forum where nobody > agrees with anybody else, least of all with me, sicne I am against > any predictive gimmicks if they are supposed to have been " revealed " > by our seers as nothing could be futher from truth than such > injustice to our Rishis! > I have yet to receive any response to the document " Rotary " which I > uploaded on this forum! > > Let me clarify it here that there was a time when I was under the > impression that the Vedas talked about and preached a so called > Sayana predictive system, which was based on so called Sayana > Rashis. However, later on, I woke up to the situation that since > there are no Mesha etc. Rashis in the Vedas, it is foolish on our > part to call any rashi based predictive system as Vedic, whether it > is sayana or nirayana! All these points have been clairifed in > several posts at HinduCalendar forum. > > Our Rishis used Madhu, Madhava etc. names for solar/lunar months to > decide their muhurtas and festivals etc. Those names can be said to > be in agreement with today's sayana rashis! But ironically, Rashis > can never be sayana since rashis means constellations and no > constellation starts with First point of Aries these days! > Then more irnoically, if we talk of sayana rashis, we have to forget > about nakshatras, which have been referred to in the Vedas times > without number, since the First Pooint of Aries is these days in > exact conjunction with Purva Bhadra nakshata-II. (Please see Star > tables in HinduCalendar forum!) > > That is why I have been crying hoarse -- you have to choose either > of the two i.e. predictive astrology or calendar reform! > With regards, > A K Kaul > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Madhu ji, > > Dr Samuel Johnson ? I don't know the real name of Krishnan Kaul, > > except that fact that he is the person behind the HinduCalender > group. > > > > I request Kaul ji to reveal his identity (if he would like to) so > > that the confusions can be avoided. I don't like that > word 'Avatar' > > prefixed to his name - which reflect the ego, but respects the > > knowledge and will encourage the debates that that provide > knowledge > > input. > > > > Of course, there is enough arguments and info on both sides > > (Nirayana and Sayana) to hold the ground - and both of them > support > > astrology. As everybody know - even the determiniation > of 'Auspecious > > Muhurta' reflect the existence of Predictive astrology - if > > predictive astrology is not present how can a muhurta > > be 'Auspecious'?! > > > > But again, Madhu ji, please avoid personal remarks, because > strong > > mountains with enough strength are not afraid of even strong > > winds. The bouts are enjoyable to warriors with a fighting > > spirit, especially when truth is there to backup. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , Madhu Nair > > <balagurusurya@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > I never Knew Dr Samuel Johnson had taken a new Avathar to > teach > > vocabulary to members of sreenad's list.After utter failure of > their > > ephemeris , perhaps the Avathars has now decided to teach > English. > > > Pedants like you are the " REAL LIABILTY " to Vedanga Jyotish > > > M > > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <a_krishen@> wrote: > > > Hi, Madhu ji, > > > It appears my English is very " poor " since I cannot understand > what > > > you mean by > > > <you should first consult a genuine Sanskrit pundit and ensure > > > whether the word Parashara has got " Liberated One " : has its > > synonymn> > > > Would you kindly be my " English Pandit (or is it 'Pundit'?) " and > > > explain to me the meaning of the above sentence. > > > AKK > > > , Madhu Nair > > > <balagurusurya@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi AKK, > > > > Prior to whipping off any meaningless controversy pertaining > to > > > the existence of Sage Parashara, you should first consult a > genuine > > > Sanskrit pundit and ensure whether the word Parashara has got > > > " Liberated One " : has its synonymn > > > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <a_krishen@> wrote: > > > > Dear members, > > > > Namaskar! > > > > It has been said > > > > <n the > > > > > > > Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says: > > > > > > > Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu jathakam > > > > > > > Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi. > > > > > > > (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya) > > > > > > > Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not > > Parasara > > > > > > Hora. > > > > > > > But I have heard that Parasara had written books for all > > the 3 > > > > > > > skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora). > > > > > > > From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has > > written 3 > > > > > > > books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and > > Parasara > > > Hora.> > > > > > > > > In other words, even Bhatotpala of 7th century was going by a > > hearsay! > > > > Thus it does not at all prove by any stretch of imagination > that > > > > there really exited a Parashara Hora at that time or even > prior to > > > > that era! > > > > > > > > The half a dozen BPHS floating in the market available a dozen > a > > dime > > > > are all concoctions in the name of Parashara, where one BPHS > does > > not > > > > agree with another! > > > > > > > > For further details, please log on to > > > > HinduCalendar. > > > > > > > > Shri Sreenadh is already a member of that group. > > > > Dhanyavad. > > > > AKK > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Know > > how! > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2007 Shri Sreenadhji, Namaskar! You have said <<== * There are several slokas in the Vedas that point to the fact that both Sayana and Nirayana Zodiac were in use. This leads to the conclusion that both Sayana and Nirayana systems are supported by Vedas. * Fixing of 'Auspicious Muhurtas' gets importance or value, only when predictive astrology is accepted. * Clear predictive astrology is visible in suktas that predict the result for Nakshatras and in suktas such as the one which says " If a child is born in Moola star, he will cause the destruction of the clan " etc. * It is clear that sidereal stellar astrology was in use from the mention of " Nakshatras " (fixed stellar divisions; these are surely related to constellations and not areas with moving boundaries as you argue). The word " Nakshatra " is used in Vedas ONLY to mean 27 or 28 stellar divisions and not " Taras " (stars). > == Would you kindly give me the exact chapter and verse of the above suktas etc. Regards, AKK , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Kaul ji, > Thanks for the following info. > ==> > > My name is Avtar Krishen Kaul. I am no impostor! My full address, > > telephone number etc. etc. are available in BVB6 document at > > HinduCalendar forum. Koshur6.doc there will throw a flood of light > > about my " astrological background " and other credentials. > <== > > ==> > > I am against any predictive gimmicks if they are supposed to have > > been " revealed " by our seers as nothing could be futher from truth > > than such injustice to our Rishis! > <== > Let us not be so bold in it - if there is enough proof and > usefulness let us accept it, if not reject. The history of fragmented > knowledge about the history of astrology we have today (especially > the one you depend upon) is not enough make the statement that they > never supported astrology. Let us first understand the limitation of > our knowledge - before rejecting the accumulated knowledge of > generations (many like us and better). > > ==> > > I have yet to receive any response to the document " Rotary " which I > > uploaded on this forum! > <== > It does not need an answer - it is your opinion, to most of which I > (or we) don't agree and let it be there for some time. I don't have > spend a whole lot of time to respond each and every item mentioned > there; but an occasional discussion of some of those points would be > ok. > (Even the heated discussions shouldn't cause wasting all the energy > from doing productive work. Discussions are for relaxed and joyous > sharing of knowledge that provides happiness to all parties involved - > whether the friends involved agree to agree or agree to disagree) > > ==> > > Let me clarify it here that there was a time when I was under the > > impression that the Vedas talked about and preached a so called > > Sayana predictive system, which was based on so called Sayana > > Rashis. However, later on, I woke up to the situation that since > > there are no Mesha etc. Rashis in the Vedas, it is foolish on our > > part to call any rashi based predictive system as Vedic, whether it > > is sayana or nirayana! > <== > > * There are several slokas in the Vedas that point to the fact that > both Sayana and Nirayana Zodiac were in use. This leads to the > conclusion that both Sayana and Nirayana systems are supported by > Vedas. > * Fixing of 'Auspicious Muhurtas' gets importance or value, only when > predictive astrology is accepted. > * Clear predictive astrology is visible in suktas that predict the > result for Nakshatras and in suktas such as the one which says " If a > child is born in Moola star, he will cause the destruction of the > clan " etc. > * It is clear that sidereal stellar astrology was in use from the > mention of " Nakshatras " (fixed stellar divisions; these are surely > related to constellations and not areas with moving boundaries as you > argue). The word " Nakshatra " is used in Vedas ONLY to mean 27 or 28 > stellar divisions and not " Taras " (stars). > > ==> > > Our Rishis used Madhu, Madhava etc. names for solar/lunar months to > > decide their muhurtas and festivals etc. > > Those names can be said to be in agreement with today's sayana > > rashis! But ironically, Rashis can never be sayana since rashis > > means constellations and no constellation starts with First point > > of Aries these days! > <== > The existence and use of solar, lunar or luni-solar months are year > systems reveals the good knowledge of Vedic people about the same. > Apart from this the Muhurta, Paksha, Day, Yuga, 5 Year Yuga system > and many time divisions were in use. It is good to have such good > knowledge about even such things - in such an early period. > ==> > > Then more irnoically, if we talk of sayana rashis, we have to > > forget about nakshatras, which have been referred to in the Vedas > > times without number, since the First Pooint of Aries is these days > > in exact conjunction with Purva Bhadra nakshata-II. (Please see > > Star tables in HinduCalendar forum!) > <== > I don't understand this point - why " if we talk of sayana rashis, we > have to forget about nakshatras " - the logic is not clear. As of the > document you mention is concerned, I will refer to it at my > convenience later. > > ==> > > That is why I have been crying hoarse -- you have to choose either > > of the two i.e. predictive astrology or calendar reform! > <== > Yes, that is your approach - and we appreciate the same. But for us > there could be 2 types of calendars - > 1) Sayana calendar - which should be mainly used for agricultural > and other purposes, because the seasons depend on the same. > 2) Nirayana Calendar - which should be used for the sole purpose of > astrology; because it represent the rhythm of the universe (The > Nirayana Zodiac is a mathematical modal that depict the rhythm of > movement of the total solar system over a long period). The origin of > Nirayana Zodiac finds its origin in Yuga system and Tantric/Yogic > experience of rhythm of breath pattern. > But both ways - whether Sayana or Nirayan - predictive system was > and is in use. > But yes one thing is right - Predictive system (whether it is Sayana > or Nirayana; whether it is Rasi or Nakshatra based) needs a Calendar; > But for a Calendar to exist the existence of a predictive system is > not necessary. > > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <a_krishen@> wrote: > > > > Shri Sreeenadhji, > > Namaskar! > > First of all, I must pay a fulsome tribute to your courage for > > having invited me to join this " " forum, > > knowng fully well that I am agaisnt any predictive gimmicks being > > supposed to have been the hallmark of ancient Indian culture! > > Now to the brass-takcs! > > My name is Avtar Krishen Kaul. I am no impostor! My full address, > > telephone number etc. etc. are available in BVB6 document at > > HinduCalendar forum. Koshur6.doc there will throw a flood of light > > about my " astrological background " and other credentials. > > I was banned by " Vedic-Astrology " forum since they could not find > > any reply to my queries! However, it is nothing new to me, since I > > have been banned by quite a few fourms > > like " Hinduism_Environment " , " OmNamahShivaya " , " NavyaShastra " etc. > > etc., to name a few. Some forums I left myself like > Aryasamajonline! > > It is immaterial to me whether someone calls me Dr. Samuel Johnosn > > or an Avatar of someone else, since today's " scholars " have > a " nice " > > habit of hurling personal abuse instead of clarifying a point that > > an " ignoramus " person like me could not follow! You must have > > witenssed such bickerings even at HinduCalendar forum where nobody > > agrees with anybody else, least of all with me, sicne I am against > > any predictive gimmicks if they are supposed to have > been " revealed " > > by our seers as nothing could be futher from truth than such > > injustice to our Rishis! > > I have yet to receive any response to the document " Rotary " which I > > uploaded on this forum! > > > > Let me clarify it here that there was a time when I was under the > > impression that the Vedas talked about and preached a so called > > Sayana predictive system, which was based on so called Sayana > > Rashis. However, later on, I woke up to the situation that since > > there are no Mesha etc. Rashis in the Vedas, it is foolish on our > > part to call any rashi based predictive system as Vedic, whether it > > is sayana or nirayana! All these points have been clairifed in > > several posts at HinduCalendar forum. > > > > Our Rishis used Madhu, Madhava etc. names for solar/lunar months to > > decide their muhurtas and festivals etc. Those names can be said > to > > be in agreement with today's sayana rashis! But ironically, Rashis > > can never be sayana since rashis means constellations and no > > constellation starts with First point of Aries these days! > > Then more irnoically, if we talk of sayana rashis, we have to > forget > > about nakshatras, which have been referred to in the Vedas times > > without number, since the First Pooint of Aries is these days in > > exact conjunction with Purva Bhadra nakshata-II. (Please see Star > > tables in HinduCalendar forum!) > > > > That is why I have been crying hoarse -- you have to choose either > > of the two i.e. predictive astrology or calendar reform! > > With regards, > > A K Kaul > > , " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Madhu ji, > > > Dr Samuel Johnson ? I don't know the real name of Krishnan > Kaul, > > > except that fact that he is the person behind the HinduCalender > > group. > > > > > > I request Kaul ji to reveal his identity (if he would like to) > so > > > that the confusions can be avoided. I don't like that > > word 'Avatar' > > > prefixed to his name - which reflect the ego, but respects the > > > knowledge and will encourage the debates that that provide > > knowledge > > > input. > > > > > > Of course, there is enough arguments and info on both sides > > > (Nirayana and Sayana) to hold the ground - and both of them > > support > > > astrology. As everybody know - even the determiniation > > of 'Auspecious > > > Muhurta' reflect the existence of Predictive astrology - if > > > predictive astrology is not present how can a muhurta > > > be 'Auspecious'?! > > > > > > But again, Madhu ji, please avoid personal remarks, because > > strong > > > mountains with enough strength are not afraid of even strong > > > winds. The bouts are enjoyable to warriors with a fighting > > > spirit, especially when truth is there to backup. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , Madhu Nair > > > <balagurusurya@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I never Knew Dr Samuel Johnson had taken a new Avathar to > > teach > > > vocabulary to members of sreenad's list.After utter failure of > > their > > > ephemeris , perhaps the Avathars has now decided to teach > > English. > > > > Pedants like you are the " REAL LIABILTY " to Vedanga Jyotish > > > > M > > > > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <a_krishen@> wrote: > > > > Hi, Madhu ji, > > > > It appears my English is very " poor " since I cannot understand > > what > > > > you mean by > > > > <you should first consult a genuine Sanskrit pundit and ensure > > > > whether the word Parashara has got " Liberated One " : has its > > > synonymn> > > > > Would you kindly be my " English Pandit (or is it 'Pundit'?) " and > > > > explain to me the meaning of the above sentence. > > > > AKK > > > > , Madhu Nair > > > > <balagurusurya@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi AKK, > > > > > Prior to whipping off any meaningless controversy pertaining > > to > > > > the existence of Sage Parashara, you should first consult a > > genuine > > > > Sanskrit pundit and ensure whether the word Parashara has got > > > > " Liberated One " : has its synonymn > > > > > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <a_krishen@> wrote: > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > It has been said > > > > > <n the > > > > > > > > Vyakhya of Varaha Hora, Bhattolpala says: > > > > > > > > Parasara Samhitha kevalamasmabhir drishtam nathu > jathakam > > > > > > > > Srooyathe skandha treyamithi Parasarasyethi. > > > > > > > > (Varaha Hora - Bhattolpala Vyakhya) > > > > > > > > Meaning, I have seen only Parasara Samhitha, and not > > > Parasara > > > > > > > Hora. > > > > > > > > But I have heard that Parasara had written books for > all > > > the 3 > > > > > > > > skandhas (i.e. Sidhantha, Samhitha and Hora). > > > > > > > > From all these it is clear that Parasara of BC.1400 has > > > written 3 > > > > > > > > books, i.e. Parasara Sidhatha, Parasara Samhitha and > > > Parasara > > > > Hora.> > > > > > > > > > > In other words, even Bhatotpala of 7th century was going by a > > > hearsay! > > > > > Thus it does not at all prove by any stretch of imagination > > that > > > > > there really exited a Parashara Hora at that time or even > > prior to > > > > > that era! > > > > > > > > > > The half a dozen BPHS floating in the market available a > dozen > > a > > > dime > > > > > are all concoctions in the name of Parashara, where one BPHS > > does > > > not > > > > > agree with another! > > > > > > > > > > For further details, please log on to > > > > > HinduCalendar. > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sreenadh is already a member of that group. > > > > > Dhanyavad. > > > > > AKK > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know? 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