Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2006 Dear Narasimha ji & Sanjay ji Narasimha ji,i would like to second your opinion here.Sama-Saptaka is just pointing to mutual 1/7th.Sama is to qualify the ''similar'' distance from one another and saptaka explains the distance viz,seven.This is the only relationship in jyotish,where the distance is similar and hence the usage of sama. Sanjayji -Myself had expressed similar concern over your explanation of karakamsha''ka'',for which you were not interested in a reply.In Kerala the age old tradition(parampara) uses the word ''Amshakam'' for the Navamsha of planets.(Sathya is Sathyam as per our usage and hence Amashaka is Amshakam for us).They also say ''Amshichirkkunna Rashi'' - Literally meaning :the Rashi on to which a planet is having amsha. Thus Navamsha or Karakamsha qualifies the source(planet or lagna) while Navamshaka or Karakamshaka qualifies the destination(Rashi).Thus we can express navamsha in two grammatical forms. a)Navamsha of Jupiter is IN Mithuna Rashi b)Navamsha''ka'' Rashi OF jupiter is Mithuna - (Kindly note the grammatical difference ) You are free to hold different views. Thanks Pradeep , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Pranaams Sanjay, > > > Sama-Saptaka " means mutual seventh and refers to the placement of two > > 'otherwise friendly planets' in mutual one-seventh houses from each other. > > The placement of two diremalefics in such places is not considered > > 'sama-saptaka'. For this purpose the planets must have at least 'SAMA' > > relationship in the Graha Maitrya (five types of relationship) table. > > Is this simply your thinking or based on a classic or tradition? > > Sama seems to suggest equality of placement (i.e. 7 and 7 instead of 6 and 8 or 8 and 6 or 2 and 12 etc) rather than neutrality of relationship. Instead of saying " sapta-saptakam " (like " shad-ashtakam " ), they say " sama saptakam " . It does not seem to suggest that planets should have atleast " sama " relationship. That would seem like a far-fetched interpretation. Moreover, I have seen learned elders using the term " Ravi-Shani sama saptakam " when Sun and Saturn are in Cp-Cn or Sg-Ge etc. > > Thus, I will be skeptical about what you said, unless you have some kind of strong basis. Please let us know the basis for your statement. > > May the light of Brahman shine within, > Narasimha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2006 Dear Vijayadas ji, I don't think Narasimha ji or Sanjay ji is a member of this group. P.S. : But I would be pleased if they are. Love, Sreenadh vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: Dear Narasimha ji & Sanjay jiNarasimha ji,i would like to second your opinion here.Sama-Saptaka isjust pointing to mutual 1/7th.Sama is to qualify the ''similar''distance from one another and saptaka explains the distanceviz,seven.This is the only relationship in jyotish,where the distance issimilar and hence the usage of sama.Sanjayji -Myself had expressed similar concern over your explanation ofkarakamsha''ka'',for which you were not interested in a reply.In Keralathe age old tradition(parampara) uses the word ''Amshakam'' for theNavamsha of planets.(Sathya is Sathyam as per our usage and henceAmashaka is Amshakam for us).They also say ''Amshichirkkunna Rashi'' -Literally meaning :the Rashi on to which a planet is having amsha.Thus Navamsha or Karakamsha qualifies the source(planet or lagna) whileNavamshaka or Karakamshaka qualifies the destination(Rashi).Thus we canexpress navamsha in two grammatical forms.a)Navamsha of Jupiter is IN Mithuna Rashib)Navamsha''ka'' Rashi OF jupiter is Mithuna - (Kindly note thegrammatical difference )You are free to hold different views.ThanksPradeep , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvrwrote:>> Pranaams Sanjay,>> > Sama-Saptaka" means mutual seventh and refers to the placement oftwo> > 'otherwise friendly planets' in mutual one-seventh houses from eachother.> > The placement of two diremalefics in such places is not considered> > 'sama-saptaka'. For this purpose the planets must have at least'SAMA'> > relationship in the Graha Maitrya (five types of relationship)table.>> Is this simply your thinking or based on a classic or tradition?>> Sama seems to suggest equality of placement (i.e. 7 and 7 instead of 6and 8 or 8 and 6 or 2 and 12 etc) rather than neutrality ofrelationship. Instead of saying "sapta-saptakam" (like "shad-ashtakam"),they say "sama saptakam". It does not seem to suggest that planetsshould have atleast "sama" relationship. That would seem like afar-fetched interpretation. Moreover, I have seen learned elders usingthe term "Ravi-Shani sama saptakam" when Sun and Saturn are in Cp-Cn orSg-Ge etc.>> Thus, I will be skeptical about what you said, unless you have somekind of strong basis. Please let us know the basis for your statement.>> May the light of Brahman shine within,> Narasimha Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2006 Dear Sreenadh ji As you know many individuals do not write in all lists.Thus cross postings are done to get the views of every learned ,apart from the normal intention of publicity:-) Pradeep , sree nadh <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vijayadas ji, > I don't think Narasimha ji or Sanjay ji is a member of this group. > > P.S. : But I would be pleased if they are. > Love, > Sreenadh > > vijayadas_pradeep vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > Dear Narasimha ji & Sanjay ji > > Narasimha ji,i would like to second your opinion here.Sama-Saptaka is > just pointing to mutual 1/7th.Sama is to qualify the ''similar'' > distance from one another and saptaka explains the distance > viz,seven.This is the only relationship in jyotish,where the distance is > similar and hence the usage of sama. > > Sanjayji -Myself had expressed similar concern over your explanation of > karakamsha''ka'',for which you were not interested in a reply.In Kerala > the age old tradition(parampara) uses the word ''Amshakam'' for the > Navamsha of planets.(Sathya is Sathyam as per our usage and hence > Amashaka is Amshakam for us).They also say ''Amshichirkkunna Rashi'' - > Literally meaning :the Rashi on to which a planet is having amsha. > Thus Navamsha or Karakamsha qualifies the source(planet or lagna) while > Navamshaka or Karakamshaka qualifies the destination(Rashi).Thus we can > express navamsha in two grammatical forms. > > a)Navamsha of Jupiter is IN Mithuna Rashi > b)Navamsha''ka'' Rashi OF jupiter is Mithuna - (Kindly note the > grammatical difference ) > > You are free to hold different views. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " pvr@ > wrote: > > > > Pranaams Sanjay, > > > > > Sama-Saptaka " means mutual seventh and refers to the placement of > two > > > 'otherwise friendly planets' in mutual one-seventh houses from each > other. > > > The placement of two diremalefics in such places is not considered > > > 'sama-saptaka'. For this purpose the planets must have at least > 'SAMA' > > > relationship in the Graha Maitrya (five types of relationship) > table. > > > > Is this simply your thinking or based on a classic or tradition? > > > > Sama seems to suggest equality of placement (i.e. 7 and 7 instead of 6 > and 8 or 8 and 6 or 2 and 12 etc) rather than neutrality of > relationship. Instead of saying " sapta-saptakam " (like " shad-ashtakam " ), > they say " sama saptakam " . It does not seem to suggest that planets > should have atleast " sama " relationship. That would seem like a > far-fetched interpretation. Moreover, I have seen learned elders using > the term " Ravi-Shani sama saptakam " when Sun and Saturn are in Cp-Cn or > Sg-Ge etc. > > > > Thus, I will be skeptical about what you said, unless you have some > kind of strong basis. Please let us know the basis for your statement. > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within, > > Narasimha > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
