Guest guest Report post Posted August 9, 2006 Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a Saturn combust period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " practice humility'/bend the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It wouldn't have seemed so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since the combust period started. I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle against the cosmic educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special advice based on other people's experiences during Saturn combust? namaste, lien Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 9, 2006 Hi All, I also have the injury to Right Knee. I had an accident on 30th July 06 i..e. on Sunday & my Knee get injured. Till know it is not get cuered. So please any one can explain is this the effect of Saturn Combust. Regards, Anand lotus7moon <lotus7moon > wrote: Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a Saturn combust period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " practice humility'/bend the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It wouldn't have seemed so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since the combust period started. I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle against the cosmic educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special advice based on other people's experiences during Saturn combust? namaste, lien Thanx & Regards, Anand Mathakari 9822199980 Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 9, 2006 Hi Haizen, My Birth Details are as follows, D.O.B. : 08th Feb 1981. Birth Time: 01:15 A.M. Birth Place:Jalgaon. My Kundli is of Vrischik Lagna. So by this time Saturn is in 9th place of my birth kundli. regards, Anand haizen <MoonFinder (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: Hello Anand, Please post your birth data so one can see how Saturn is situated in your chart. Haizen Paige , Anand <anandmathakari wrote: > > Hi All, > > I also have the injury to Right Knee. I had an accident on 30th July 06 i.e. on Sunday & my Knee get injured. Till know it is not get cuered. So please any one can explain is this the effect of Saturn Combust. > > Regards, > Anand > > lotus7moon <lotus7moon wrote: > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a Saturn combust > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " practice humility'/bend > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It wouldn't have seemed > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since the combust period > started. > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle against the cosmic > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special advice based on other > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > namaste, > lien > > > > > > > Thanx & Regards, > Anand Mathakari > 9822199980 > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2006 Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro Saturn is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, both of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as well. So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of analysis. Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit Saturn afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal Jup/Saturn combination. Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, L6 of injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or Pisces or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. best wishes Margaret - Chandrashekhar Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM Re: saturn/knees Dear Lien, Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which represents the knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. Chandrashekhar. lotus7moon wrote: > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > Saturn combust > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > practice humility'/bend > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It > wouldn't have seemed > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > the combust period > started. > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > against the cosmic > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > advice based on other > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > namaste, > lien > > > ------------------------- > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release 8/7/2006 > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2006 Dear Margaret, I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees what is Capricorn and Aquarius? Regards, Chandrashekhar. Margaret George wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro Saturn > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, both > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as well. > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of analysis. > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit Saturn > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal Jup/Saturn > combination. > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, L6 of > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or Pisces > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > best wishes > Margaret > > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > Dear Lien, > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which represents the > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > Chandrashekhar. > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > Saturn combust > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > practice humility'/bend > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It > > wouldn't have seemed > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > > the combust period > > started. > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > against the cosmic > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > advice based on other > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > namaste, > > lien > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release 8/7/2006 > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2006 Hi Chandrashekhar, I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, though these do work for me when reading charts. best wishes M - Chandrashekhar Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM Re: saturn/knees Dear Margaret, I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees what is Capricorn and Aquarius? Regards, Chandrashekhar. Margaret George wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro Saturn > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, both > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as well. > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of analysis. > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit Saturn > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal Jup/Saturn > combination. > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, L6 of > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or Pisces > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > best wishes > Margaret > > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > Dear Lien, > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which represents the > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > Chandrashekhar. > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > Saturn combust > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > practice humility'/bend > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It > > wouldn't have seemed > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > > the combust period > > started. > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > against the cosmic > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > advice based on other > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > namaste, > > lien > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release 8/7/2006 > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2006 Dear Margaret, I see. Chandrashekhar. Margaret George wrote: > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, though > these do work for me when reading charts. > > best wishes > M > > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > Dear Margaret, > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees what is > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro Saturn > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, both > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as well. > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of analysis. > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit Saturn > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal Jup/Saturn > > combination. > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, L6 of > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or Pisces > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > best wishes > > Margaret > > > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > <%40> > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Lien, > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which represents the > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > Saturn combust > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > practice humility'/bend > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > > > the combust period > > > started. > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > against the cosmic > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > advice based on other > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > namaste, > > > lien > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2006 Dear Chandrashekhar, This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and especially our physiology. A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in Cap and we can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the limbs. Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, best wishes m - Chandrashekhar Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM Re: saturn/knees Dear Margaret, I see. Chandrashekhar. Margaret George wrote: > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, though > these do work for me when reading charts. > > best wishes > M > > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > Dear Margaret, > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees what is > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro Saturn > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, both > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as well. > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of analysis. > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit Saturn > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal Jup/Saturn > > combination. > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, L6 of > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or Pisces > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > best wishes > > Margaret > > > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > <%40> > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Lien, > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which represents the > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > Saturn combust > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > practice humility'/bend > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of Saturn? > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right knee...It > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > > > the combust period > > > started. > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > against the cosmic > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > advice based on other > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > namaste, > > > lien > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2006 Dear Margaret, That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have to be factored in. Chandrashekhar. Margaret George wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and especially > our physiology. > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in Cap and we > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the limbs. > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > best wishes > m > > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > Dear Margaret, > I see. > Chandrashekhar. > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, though > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > <%40> > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees what is > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro Saturn > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, both > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as well. > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of analysis. > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit Saturn > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal Jup/Saturn > > > combination. > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, L6 of > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or Pisces > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > best wishes > > > Margaret > > > > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > represents the > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > > Saturn combust > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of > Saturn? > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > knee...It > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > > > > the combust period > > > > started. > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > > against the cosmic > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > > advice based on other > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > namaste, > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2006 Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra effect. For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee from birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up as a mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in own sign produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag shows this result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always been seen to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where a mole was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, Hope this is clearer. In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref is ch 5 stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier stanza, chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and thighs to Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch 5 for similar version. With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in Sag, as malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. Best wishes M - Chandrashekhar Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM Re: saturn/knees Dear Margaret, That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have to be factored in. Chandrashekhar. Margaret George wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and especially > our physiology. > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in Cap and we > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the limbs. > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > best wishes > m > > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > Dear Margaret, > I see. > Chandrashekhar. > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, though > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > <%40> > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees what is > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro Saturn > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, both > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as well. > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of analysis. > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit Saturn > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal Jup/Saturn > > > combination. > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, L6 of > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or Pisces > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > best wishes > > > Margaret > > > > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > represents the > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > > Saturn combust > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of > Saturn? > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > knee...It > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever since > > > > the combust period > > > > started. > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > > against the cosmic > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > > advice based on other > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > namaste, > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2006 Dear Margaret, I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava and Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on forehead. So my horoscope may not set the divergent views at rest, though Jupiter certainly doe not occupy Sagittarius in my chart. In decanates if I mistake not Varaha Mihira allots various organs to houses and not the rasis. I have many commentaries on Brihat jataka including the one by the venerated Bhattotpala. Unfortunately I do not get much time to read them once over again and have to rely on my memory. Let us hope we get many horoscopes so that the mystery of marks, moles and scars is unraveled. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Margaret George wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, > > Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to > keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra effect. > > For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag > charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee from > birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up as a > mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in own sign > produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. > > What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag shows this > result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always been seen > to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. > > However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where a mole > was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, > Hope this is clearer. > In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref is ch 5 > stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier stanza, > chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and thighs to > Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and > marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is > Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch 5 for > similar version. > With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in Sag, as > malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets > give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. > Best wishes > M > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > Dear Margaret, > That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in > Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you > indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have to be > factored in. > Chandrashekhar. > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and especially > > our physiology. > > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many > > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in Cap and we > > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the limbs. > > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > > best wishes > > m > > > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > <%40> > > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Margaret, > > I see. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly > > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, though > > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees > what is > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro > Saturn > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, > both > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as > well. > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of > analysis. > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit > Saturn > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal > Jup/Saturn > > > > combination. > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, > L6 of > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or > Pisces > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > best wishes > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > > represents the > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of > > Saturn? > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > > knee...It > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever > since > > > > > the combust period > > > > > started. > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > namaste, > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: > > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2006 Dear Chandrashekhar, Do you have first decanate rising? And did you know that in Nakshatra Purusha of the Stellar Deity, as detailed in Brihat Samhita, Chitra constellation signifies forehead? Does Mars happen to fully aspect Chitra from Gemini in your chart? - Chandrashekhar Monday, August 14, 2006 8:01 PM Re: saturn/knees Dear Margaret, I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava and Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on forehead. So my horoscope may not set the divergent views at rest, though Jupiter certainly doe not occupy Sagittarius in my chart. In decanates if I mistake not Varaha Mihira allots various organs to houses and not the rasis. I have many commentaries on Brihat jataka including the one by the venerated Bhattotpala. Unfortunately I do not get much time to read them once over again and have to rely on my memory. Let us hope we get many horoscopes so that the mystery of marks, moles and scars is unraveled. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Margaret George wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, > > Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to > keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra effect. > > For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag > charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee from > birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up as a > mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in own sign > produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. > > What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag shows this > result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always been seen > to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. > > However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where a mole > was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, > Hope this is clearer. > In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref is ch 5 > stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier stanza, > chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and thighs to > Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and > marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is > Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch 5 for > similar version. > With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in Sag, as > malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets > give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. > Best wishes > M > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > Dear Margaret, > That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in > Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you > indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have to be > factored in. > Chandrashekhar. > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and especially > > our physiology. > > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many > > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in Cap and we > > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the limbs. > > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > > best wishes > > m > > > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > <%40> > > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Margaret, > > I see. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly > > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, though > > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees > what is > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro > Saturn > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, > both > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, though some > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally knees > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as > well. > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of > analysis. > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit > Saturn > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal > Jup/Saturn > > > > combination. > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal Sat/Jupiter > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, > L6 of > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or > Pisces > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet when > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment due to > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > best wishes > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > > represents the > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries during a > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be learned...example " > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of > > Saturn? > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > > knee...It > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever > since > > > > > the combust period > > > > > started. > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not struggle > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any special > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > namaste, > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: > > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 15, 2006 Dear Margaret, Yes. It is the first dreshkana. By full aspect on Chitra do you mean on beginning of Chitra, its middle or end of Chitra (that would be in Libra anyway)? If you are looking at exact degree aspects, as against aspects on rasis, then Mars anyway moves to the 8th bhava and would not aspect the 10th bhava or Virgo rasi. Chandrashekhar. Margaret George wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > Do you have first decanate rising? > And did you know that in Nakshatra Purusha of the Stellar Deity, as > detailed in Brihat Samhita, Chitra constellation signifies forehead? > Does Mars happen to fully aspect Chitra from Gemini in your chart? > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Monday, August 14, 2006 8:01 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > Dear Margaret, > > I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava and > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on forehead. > So my horoscope may not set the divergent views at rest, though Jupiter > certainly doe not occupy Sagittarius in my chart. In decanates if I > mistake not Varaha Mihira allots various organs to houses and not the > rasis. I have many commentaries on Brihat jataka including the one by > the venerated Bhattotpala. Unfortunately I do not get much time to read > them once over again and have to rely on my memory. > > Let us hope we get many horoscopes so that the mystery of marks, moles > and scars is unraveled. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, > > > > Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to > > keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra effect. > > > > For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag > > charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee from > > birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up as a > > mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in own sign > > produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. > > > > What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag shows this > > result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always been seen > > to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. > > > > However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where a mole > > was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, > > Hope this is clearer. > > In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref is ch 5 > > stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier stanza, > > chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and thighs to > > Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and > > marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is > > Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch 5 for > > similar version. > > With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in Sag, as > > malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets > > give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. > > Best wishes > > M > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > <%40> > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Margaret, > > That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in > > Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you > > indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have to be > > factored in. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > > > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and especially > > > our physiology. > > > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many > > > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in Cap and we > > > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the limbs. > > > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > > > best wishes > > > m > > > > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > I see. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly > > > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, though > > > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > M > > > > > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees > > what is > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro > > Saturn > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, > > both > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, > though some > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally > knees > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as > > well. > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of > > analysis. > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit > > Saturn > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal > > Jup/Saturn > > > > > combination. > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal > Sat/Jupiter > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, > > L6 of > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or > > Pisces > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet > when > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment > due to > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > > best wishes > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > > > represents the > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries > during a > > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be > learned...example " > > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of > > > Saturn? > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > > > knee...It > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever > > since > > > > > > the combust period > > > > > > started. > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not > struggle > > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any > special > > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > > namaste, > > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: > > > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 15, 2006 Dear Chandrshekhar, The whole of Chitra represents forehead in nakshatra purusha, so with you saying:- ''I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava and Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on forehead. '' I assumed your Mars to be in seventh in Gemini, whilst giving the aspect to tenth house which would be Virgo if Cap is in second. As Chitra covers 23:20 Virgo to 6:40 Libra then I thought it logical to ask if your Mars might be in full aspect to this nakshatra. Best wishes M - Chandrashekhar Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:32 PM Re: saturn/knees Dear Margaret, Yes. It is the first dreshkana. By full aspect on Chitra do you mean on beginning of Chitra, its middle or end of Chitra (that would be in Libra anyway)? If you are looking at exact degree aspects, as against aspects on rasis, then Mars anyway moves to the 8th bhava and would not aspect the 10th bhava or Virgo rasi. Chandrashekhar. Margaret George wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > Do you have first decanate rising? > And did you know that in Nakshatra Purusha of the Stellar Deity, as > detailed in Brihat Samhita, Chitra constellation signifies forehead? > Does Mars happen to fully aspect Chitra from Gemini in your chart? > - > Chandrashekhar > <%40> > Monday, August 14, 2006 8:01 PM > Re: saturn/knees > > Dear Margaret, > > I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava and > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on forehead. > So my horoscope may not set the divergent views at rest, though Jupiter > certainly doe not occupy Sagittarius in my chart. In decanates if I > mistake not Varaha Mihira allots various organs to houses and not the > rasis. I have many commentaries on Brihat jataka including the one by > the venerated Bhattotpala. Unfortunately I do not get much time to read > them once over again and have to rely on my memory. > > Let us hope we get many horoscopes so that the mystery of marks, moles > and scars is unraveled. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, > > > > Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to > > keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra effect. > > > > For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag > > charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee from > > birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up as a > > mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in own sign > > produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. > > > > What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag shows this > > result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always been seen > > to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. > > > > However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where a mole > > was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, > > Hope this is clearer. > > In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref is ch 5 > > stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier stanza, > > chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and thighs to > > Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and > > marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is > > Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch 5 for > > similar version. > > With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in Sag, as > > malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets > > give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. > > Best wishes > > M > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > <%40> > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > Dear Margaret, > > That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in > > Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you > > indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have to be > > factored in. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > > > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and especially > > > our physiology. > > > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many > > > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in Cap and we > > > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the limbs. > > > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > > > best wishes > > > m > > > > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > I see. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but clearly > > > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, though > > > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > M > > > > > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is Knees > > what is > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, retro > > Saturn > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro Jupiter, > > both > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, > though some > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that natally > knees > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on Jupiter. You > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of Sag and > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the body as > > well. > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of > > analysis. > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had transit > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while transit > > Saturn > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal > > Jup/Saturn > > > > > combination. > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal > Sat/Jupiter > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the 30th August > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter Saturn > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. Your right > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with Mars, > > L6 of > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit Mars > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of accidents > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting Sagittarius or > > Pisces > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or feet > when > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting pot of > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the moment > due to > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > > best wishes > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > > > represents the > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee trouble. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee injuries > during a > > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be > learned...example " > > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under influence of > > > Saturn? > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > > > knee...It > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons ever > > since > > > > > > the combust period > > > > > > started. > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and not > struggle > > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had any > special > > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > > namaste, > > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: > > > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2006 Om shri gurve namah!!! Dear respected learened members, First of all wishing everybody a very very happy & rejuvenating Shri Krishna Janamastami !!!!! Now I request you to please clear my doubts & confirm through this data about the mole & scars concept in detail. DOB : 09 th June 1984 TOB : 09:05 PM POB : Delhi This native has sagittarius janam lagna with Swakshetri Jupiter in it born in chitra nakshatra 4 charan. Do number, size or darkness of moles make any difference in good results. Please explain with the reference to the points mentioned below: He has 2 moles on right thigh. He has 1 mole on right knee cap. He has 2 moles on right calves. He has 2 moles on right hand little finger. He has 1 mole on his left eye cap. He had a cut through ceiling fan on his head in childhood which left stiches scars on the middle of forehead. He had cut in right foot thumb's head position by wall fan in childhood. But there is no any scar instead a mole has appeared in the root of thumb of right leg in his adult age. Does these things give any resemblance with jupiter in sagittarius lagna? Since this native has 9th,10th+7th, 11th+6th lord in 6th house(Taurus) i.e.(Sun, Mercury, Veneus) with Rahu & 2nd+3rd, 5th+12th, 8th lord in 11th house(Libra) i.e. (Saturn, Mars, Moon) in lagna chart. Please through some bright light on these & clear it with reference to principles of body parts wrt planets in rasis. with best regards Shree Shyam On 8/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Ms.Margaret and other learned members > > I have guru in dhanu(lagna) unaspected by other planets.I have a > prominent black mole on my left thigh.Dhanu is for thighs as per classics. > Chandrashekhar ji,regarding drekkanas,in Krishneeyam as well, as you > may know,body part assignments are given.As in your case,for dhanu > lagna, if the 1st drekkana is rising,dhanu represents head,and Mithuna > neck.The rashis yet to rise represents right side of head while the > already risen ones,corresponds to left side of head.For example,2nd > house (Makara) represents right eye and left goes to 12th > house(Vrischika).For other ascendants too this is the order.Thus as > you have mentioned,it is the houses that,rather than the rashis > ,decides parts. > If 2nd drekkana is rising,ascendant becomes neck and for 3rd drekkana > risings ,ascendant sign corresponds to genitals.This is understandable > as Dashadhyayi(interpretation of Varahahora) says drekkanas represent > Urdhwa,Madhya,Adho Bhagas of Sthoola shareera(rashi being sthoola > shareera).Similarly 3 drekkanas within a rashi,can also represent > various parts,accounting for full body, used for identifying diseases > connected to limbs. > > Dear Ms.Margaret kindly give the shlokas or Pramanas > supporting,Dhanu-Knee assignment. > > Respect > Pradeep > > <%40>, > "Margaret George" > <margaret.george wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > Do you have first decanate rising? > > And did you know that in Nakshatra Purusha of the Stellar Deity, as > detailed in Brihat Samhita, Chitra constellation signifies forehead? > Does Mars happen to fully aspect Chitra from Gemini in your chart? > > - > > Chandrashekhar > > <%40> > > Monday, August 14, 2006 8:01 PM > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava > and > > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on > forehead. > > So my horoscope may not set the divergent views at rest, though > Jupiter > > certainly doe not occupy Sagittarius in my chart. In decanates if I > > mistake not Varaha Mihira allots various organs to houses and not the > > rasis. I have many commentaries on Brihat jataka including the one by > > the venerated Bhattotpala. Unfortunately I do not get much time to > read > > them once over again and have to rely on my memory. > > > > Let us hope we get many horoscopes so that the mystery of marks, > moles > > and scars is unraveled. > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, > > > > > > Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to > > > keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra > effect. > > > > > > For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag > > > charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee from > > > birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up > as a > > > mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in > own sign > > > produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. > > > > > > What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag shows > this > > > result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always been > seen > > > to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. > > > > > > However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where > a mole > > > was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, > > > Hope this is clearer. > > > In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref is > ch 5 > > > stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier > stanza, > > > chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and > thighs to > > > Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and > > > marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is > > > Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch 5 for > > > similar version. > > > With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in > Sag, as > > > malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets > > > give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. > > > Best wishes > > > M > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in > > > Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you > > > indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have to be > > > factored in. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > > > > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and > especially > > > > our physiology. > > > > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many > > > > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in > Cap and we > > > > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the > limbs. > > > > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > > > > best wishes > > > > m > > > > > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > I see. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but > clearly > > > > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, > though > > > > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is > Knees > > > what is > > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, > retro > > > Saturn > > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro > Jupiter, > > > both > > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, > though some > > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that > natally knees > > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on > Jupiter. You > > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of > Sag and > > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the > body as > > > well. > > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of > > > analysis. > > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had > transit > > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while > transit > > > Saturn > > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal > > > Jup/Saturn > > > > > > combination. > > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal > Sat/Jupiter > > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the > 30th August > > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter > Saturn > > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. > Your right > > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with > Mars, > > > L6 of > > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit > Mars > > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of > accidents > > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting > Sagittarius or > > > Pisces > > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or > feet when > > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting > pot of > > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the > moment due to > > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > > > > represents the > > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee > trouble. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee > injuries during a > > > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be > learned...example " > > > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under > influence of > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > > > > knee...It > > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons > ever > > > since > > > > > > > the combust period > > > > > > > started. > > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and > not struggle > > > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had > any special > > > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > > > namaste, > > > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - > Release Date: > > > > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2006 Dear Chandrashekharji & Ms.Margaret, Please look into this & clear me about the mole & scars concept does it makes any difference with the planets & rasis mentioned in my below mail in lagna chart. Thanks & regards Shree shyam On 8/16/06, Shyam Khandelwal <srkkhandelwal > wrote: > > Om shri gurve namah!!! > > Dear respected learened members, > > First of all wishing everybody a very very happy & rejuvenating Shri > Krishna Janamastami !!!!! > > Now I request you to please clear my doubts & confirm through this data > about the mole & scars concept in detail. > > DOB : 09 th June 1984 > TOB : 09:05 PM > POB : Delhi > > This native has sagittarius janam lagna with Swakshetri Jupiter in it born > in chitra nakshatra 4 charan. > > Do number, size or darkness of moles make any difference in good results. > Please explain with the reference to the points mentioned below: > > He has 2 moles on right thigh. > He has 1 mole on right knee cap. > He has 2 moles on right calves. > He has 2 moles on right hand little finger. > He has 1 mole on his left eye cap. > > He had a cut through ceiling fan on his head in childhood which left > stiches scars on the middle of forehead. > He had cut in right foot thumb's head position by wall fan in childhood. > But there is no any scar instead a mole has appeared in the root of thumb of > right leg in his adult age. > > Does these things give any resemblance with jupiter in sagittarius lagna? > Since this native has 9th,10th+7th, 11th+6th lord in 6th house(Taurus) i.e.(Sun, > Mercury, Veneus) with Rahu & 2nd+3rd, 5th+12th, 8th lord in 11th > house(Libra) i.e. (Saturn, Mars, Moon) in lagna chart. > > Please through some bright light on these & clear it with reference to > principles of body parts wrt planets in rasis. > > with best regards > Shree Shyam > > > > On 8/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Ms.Margaret and other learned members > > > > I have guru in dhanu(lagna) unaspected by other planets.I have a > > prominent black mole on my left thigh.Dhanu is for thighs as per > > classics. > > Chandrashekhar ji,regarding drekkanas,in Krishneeyam as well, as you > > may know,body part assignments are given.As in your case,for dhanu > > lagna, if the 1st drekkana is rising,dhanu represents head,and Mithuna > > neck.The rashis yet to rise represents right side of head while the > > already risen ones,corresponds to left side of head.For example,2nd > > house (Makara) represents right eye and left goes to 12th > > house(Vrischika).For other ascendants too this is the order.Thus as > > you have mentioned,it is the houses that,rather than the rashis > > ,decides parts. > > If 2nd drekkana is rising,ascendant becomes neck and for 3rd drekkana > > risings ,ascendant sign corresponds to genitals.This is understandable > > as Dashadhyayi(interpretation of Varahahora) says drekkanas represent > > Urdhwa,Madhya,Adho Bhagas of Sthoola shareera(rashi being sthoola > > shareera).Similarly 3 drekkanas within a rashi,can also represent > > various parts,accounting for full body, used for identifying diseases > > connected to limbs. > > > > Dear Ms.Margaret kindly give the shlokas or Pramanas > > supporting,Dhanu-Knee assignment. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > <%40>, > > "Margaret George" > > <margaret.george wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > Do you have first decanate rising? > > > And did you know that in Nakshatra Purusha of the Stellar Deity, as > > detailed in Brihat Samhita, Chitra constellation signifies forehead? > > Does Mars happen to fully aspect Chitra from Gemini in your chart? > > > - > > > Chandrashekhar > > > <%40> > > > Monday, August 14, 2006 8:01 PM > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava > > and > > > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on > > forehead. > > > So my horoscope may not set the divergent views at rest, though > > Jupiter > > > certainly doe not occupy Sagittarius in my chart. In decanates if I > > > mistake not Varaha Mihira allots various organs to houses and not the > > > rasis. I have many commentaries on Brihat jataka including the one by > > > the venerated Bhattotpala. Unfortunately I do not get much time to > > read > > > them once over again and have to rely on my memory. > > > > > > Let us hope we get many horoscopes so that the mystery of marks, > > moles > > > and scars is unraveled. > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, > > > > > > > > Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to > > > > keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra > > effect. > > > > > > > > For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag > > > > charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee from > > > > birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up > > as a > > > > mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in > > own sign > > > > produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. > > > > > > > > What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag shows > > this > > > > result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always been > > seen > > > > to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. > > > > > > > > However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where > > a mole > > > > was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, > > > > Hope this is clearer. > > > > In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref is > > ch 5 > > > > stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier > > stanza, > > > > chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and > > thighs to > > > > Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and > > > > marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is > > > > Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch 5 for > > > > similar version. > > > > With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in > > Sag, as > > > > malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets > > > > give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. > > > > Best wishes > > > > M > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in > > > > Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you > > > > indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have to be > > > > factored in. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > > > > > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and > > especially > > > > > our physiology. > > > > > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as many > > > > > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in > > Cap and we > > > > > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the > > limbs. > > > > > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > > > > > best wishes > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > < %40> > > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > I see. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but > > clearly > > > > > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, > > though > > > > > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <%40> > > > > < %40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > < %40> > > > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is > > Knees > > > > what is > > > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, > > retro > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro > > Jupiter, > > > > both > > > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, > > though some > > > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that > > natally knees > > > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on > > Jupiter. You > > > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of > > Sag and > > > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the > > body as > > > > well. > > > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had > > transit > > > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while > > transit > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal > > > > Jup/Saturn > > > > > > > combination. > > > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal > > Sat/Jupiter > > > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the > > 30th August > > > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter > > Saturn > > > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. > > Your right > > > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with > > Mars, > > > > L6 of > > > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit > > Mars > > > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of > > accidents > > > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting > > Sagittarius or > > > > Pisces > > > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or > > feet when > > > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting > > pot of > > > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the > > moment due to > > > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > < %40> > > > > > > < %40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > > > > > represents the > > > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee > > trouble. > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee > > injuries during a > > > > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be > > learned...example " > > > > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under > > influence of > > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my right > > > > > > > knee...It > > > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons > > ever > > > > since > > > > > > > > the combust period > > > > > > > > started. > > > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and > > not struggle > > > > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had > > any special > > > > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > > > > namaste, > > > > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - > > Release Date: > > > > > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 20, 2006 Dear Shyam, Birthmarks in the form of moles or marks and injuries after birth are dealt with separately. Ketu in 12th bhava of natal chart indicates the possibility of some mark on left eye as the 12th bhava does indicate that and Sun another malefic does aspect the 12th in natal chart. You also find Saturn aspecting Sagittarius rasi and Jupiter aspecting the 9th bhava indicating moles on thigh. I am sure you can work out other marks.. Mars aspecting the 2nd does indicate possibility of scar on face which you confirm is there on account of an accident. Chandrashekhar. Shyam Khandelwal wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekharji & Ms.Margaret, > > Please look into this & clear me about the mole & scars concept does it > makes any difference with the planets & rasis mentioned in my below > mail in > lagna chart. > > Thanks & regards > Shree shyam > > On 8/16/06, Shyam Khandelwal <srkkhandelwal > <srkkhandelwal%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Om shri gurve namah!!! > > > > Dear respected learened members, > > > > First of all wishing everybody a very very happy & rejuvenating Shri > > Krishna Janamastami !!!!! > > > > Now I request you to please clear my doubts & confirm through this data > > about the mole & scars concept in detail. > > > > DOB : 09 th June 1984 > > TOB : 09:05 PM > > POB : Delhi > > > > This native has sagittarius janam lagna with Swakshetri Jupiter in > it born > > in chitra nakshatra 4 charan. > > > > Do number, size or darkness of moles make any difference in good > results. > > Please explain with the reference to the points mentioned below: > > > > He has 2 moles on right thigh. > > He has 1 mole on right knee cap. > > He has 2 moles on right calves. > > He has 2 moles on right hand little finger. > > He has 1 mole on his left eye cap. > > > > He had a cut through ceiling fan on his head in childhood which left > > stiches scars on the middle of forehead. > > He had cut in right foot thumb's head position by wall fan in childhood.. > > But there is no any scar instead a mole has appeared in the root of > thumb of > > right leg in his adult age. > > > > Does these things give any resemblance with jupiter in sagittarius > lagna? > > Since this native has 9th,10th+7th, 11th+6th lord in 6th > house(Taurus) i.e.(Sun, > > Mercury, Veneus) with Rahu & 2nd+3rd, 5th+12th, 8th lord in 11th > > house(Libra) i.e. (Saturn, Mars, Moon) in lagna chart. > > > > Please through some bright light on these & clear it with reference to > > principles of body parts wrt planets in rasis. > > > > with best regards > > Shree Shyam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/15/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > <vijayadas_pradeep%40>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Ms.Margaret and other learned members > > > > > > I have guru in dhanu(lagna) unaspected by other planets.I have a > > > prominent black mole on my left thigh.Dhanu is for thighs as per > > > classics. > > > Chandrashekhar ji,regarding drekkanas,in Krishneeyam as well, as you > > > may know,body part assignments are given.As in your case,for dhanu > > > lagna, if the 1st drekkana is rising,dhanu represents head,and Mithuna > > > neck.The rashis yet to rise represents right side of head while the > > > already risen ones,corresponds to left side of head.For example,2nd > > > house (Makara) represents right eye and left goes to 12th > > > house(Vrischika).For other ascendants too this is the order.Thus as > > > you have mentioned,it is the houses that,rather than the rashis > > > ,decides parts. > > > If 2nd drekkana is rising,ascendant becomes neck and for 3rd drekkana > > > risings ,ascendant sign corresponds to genitals.This is understandable > > > as Dashadhyayi(interpretation of Varahahora) says drekkanas represent > > > Urdhwa,Madhya,Adho Bhagas of Sthoola shareera(rashi being sthoola > > > shareera).Similarly 3 drekkanas within a rashi,can also represent > > > various parts,accounting for full body, used for identifying diseases > > > connected to limbs. > > > > > > Dear Ms.Margaret kindly give the shlokas or Pramanas > > > supporting,Dhanu-Knee assignment. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > <%40> <%40>, > > > "Margaret George" > > > <margaret.george wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > Do you have first decanate rising? > > > > And did you know that in Nakshatra Purusha of the Stellar Deity, as > > > detailed in Brihat Samhita, Chitra constellation signifies forehead? > > > Does Mars happen to fully aspect Chitra from Gemini in your chart? > > > > - > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <%40> <%40> > > > > Monday, August 14, 2006 8:01 PM > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > I can see your point of view. I have Mars aspecting the 10th bhava > > > and > > > > Capricorn rasi in 2nd bhava and have a mark of red trident on > > > forehead. > > > > So my horoscope may not set the divergent views at rest, though > > > Jupiter > > > > certainly doe not occupy Sagittarius in my chart. In decanates if I > > > > mistake not Varaha Mihira allots various organs to houses and > not the > > > > rasis. I have many commentaries on Brihat jataka including the > one by > > > > the venerated Bhattotpala. Unfortunately I do not get much time to > > > read > > > > them once over again and have to rely on my memory. > > > > > > > > Let us hope we get many horoscopes so that the mystery of marks, > > > moles > > > > and scars is unraveled. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and everyone interested, > > > > > > > > > > Of course you are right in what you suggest I was merely trying to > > > > > keep it simple by isolating the knee issue, mole and swakshetra > > > effect. > > > > > > > > > > For clarity and simplicity I suggested Sat in Cap and Jup in Sag > > > > > charts to ascertain which person would have a mole on the knee > from > > > > > birth. If Cap indicates knees, then Saturn in Cap should show up > > > as a > > > > > mole on the knee from birth, due to the rule that a planet in > > > own sign > > > > > produces a mole on that part of the body from birth. > > > > > > > > > > What I am saying is that in my experience only Jup in Sag shows > > > this > > > > > result of a mole on the knee, whilst Sat in Cap has always been > > > seen > > > > > to produce a mole on the calves, not the knees. > > > > > > > > > > However, I look forward to seeing a chart with Sat in Cap where > > > a mole > > > > > was found on the knee from birth, to prove me wrong, > > > > > Hope this is clearer. > > > > > In answer to your request for the Brihat Jataka info the ref is > > > ch 5 > > > > > stanza 24 where the decanates are also produced. In an earlier > > > stanza, > > > > > chapt 1 I think, he allocates knees to Cap as you say, and > > > thighs to > > > > > Sag. I didn't want to overlay this info on decanates and moles and > > > > > marks in this thread as it would only serve to complicate. Mine is > > > > > Ushi and Sashi version though Sagar pub. Also see Horasara Ch > 5 for > > > > > similar version. > > > > > With regard to your mark on the knee, this is due to Ketu in > > > Sag, as > > > > > malefics give marks or scars, only benefics, or swakshetra planets > > > > > give moles, but please do give evidence to the contrary. > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > M > > > > > - > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <%40> <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:25 PM > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > That is a good idea. I would think it would have to be Saturn in > > > > > Sagittarius or Saturn in Capricorn, if I understand what you > > > > > indicate.Perhaps aspects on 10th and 11th bhava may also have > to be > > > > > factored in. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > This aspect of kalapurusha is the most beautiful and easiest to > > > > > > evidence the fact that the planets do affect our lives, and > > > especially > > > > > > our physiology. > > > > > > A simple test would be to ask members of the list to give as > many > > > > > > charts as they can verify with Jupiter in Sag, or Saturn in > > > Cap and we > > > > > > can take it from there to establish how astrology affects the > > > limbs. > > > > > > Let charts speak for themselves as to which rasi rules knees, > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <%40> <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > < %40> > > > > > > Friday, August 11, 2006 7:50 PM > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > I see. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > I was taught that Cap is calves, and Aquarius ankles, but > > > clearly > > > > > > > other astrologers have slightly different kalapurush values, > > > though > > > > > > > these do work for me when reading charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <%40><%40> > > > > > < %40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > < %40> > > > > > > > Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:31 PM > > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Margaret, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a bit confused, if Pisces are feet and Sagittarius is > > > Knees > > > > > what is > > > > > > > Capricorn and Aquarius? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Margaret George wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar and Lien > > > > > > > > First of all Lien, if I have set up your chart correctly, > > > retro > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > is in your eleventh natally combined with a natal retro > > > Jupiter, > > > > > both > > > > > > > > of which are aspected by natal Mars in fourth. > > > > > > > > In the system I use, Jupiter and Sagittarius rule knees, > > > though some > > > > > > > > astrologers do use Capricorn for knees I know. > > > > > > > > Using Sag/ Jupiter as ruler of knees, we can see that > > > natally knees > > > > > > > > are afflicted due to both Mars and Saturn's aspect on > > > Jupiter. You > > > > > > > > also have natal Rahu in ninth house, the natural house of > > > Sag and > > > > > > > > knees and so this adversely influences knee area of the > > > body as > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > So that takes care of the natal influence at first level of > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > Looking at transits on the day you hurt your knee, you had > > > transit > > > > > > > > Jup, karaka for knees in twelfth houses of loss, while > > > transit > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > afflicted ninth, natural house for knees and aspected natal > > > > > Jup/Saturn > > > > > > > > combination. > > > > > > > > Transit Mars 'triggered' the natal Mars aspect on natal > > > Sat/Jupiter > > > > > > > > also on that day, and will continue to do so until the > > > 30th August > > > > > > > > when it then transits your eleventh house and the Jupiter > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > combination, as well as aspecting the sign Sagittarius. > > > Your right > > > > > > > > ankle also looks like a vulnerable part of your body with > > > Mars, > > > > > L6 of > > > > > > > > injury, placed in Aquarius which rules ankles, and transit > > > Mars > > > > > > > > aspecting it, and natal Mars combines with Mercury L8 of > > > accidents > > > > > > > > In my limited experience so far Saturn aspecting > > > Sagittarius or > > > > > Pisces > > > > > > > > or Jupiter can manifest problems associated with knees or > > > feet when > > > > > > > > other malefic planets also add their aspect to the melting > > > pot of > > > > > > > > planets. Personally my feet are very afflicted at the > > > moment due to > > > > > > > > Rahu transit in Pisces, so you have my sympathy. > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > <%40><%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > < %40> > > > > > > > < %40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:09 PM > > > > > > > > Re: saturn/knees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lien, > > > > > > > > Saturn in lagna (1st house) aspects the 10th house which > > > > > > represents the > > > > > > > > knees of Kala purusha (Time personified). Hence the knee > > > trouble. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lotus7moon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have any of you heard of people having more knee > > > injuries during a > > > > > > > > > Saturn combust > > > > > > > > > period? Do you feel there is a 'lesson' to be > > > learned...example " > > > > > > > > > practice humility'/bend > > > > > > > > > the knee to authority or higher power when under > > > influence of > > > > > > Saturn? > > > > > > > > > I have Saturn in my first house and fell tonight on my > right > > > > > > > > > knee...It > > > > > > > > > wouldn't have seemed > > > > > > > > > so odd except I've had pain in knees for various reasons > > > ever > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > the combust period > > > > > > > > > started. > > > > > > > > > I feel to be open to the lesson I am being taught and > > > not struggle > > > > > > > > > against the cosmic > > > > > > > > > educational process. But I wondered if any of you had > > > any special > > > > > > > > > advice based on other > > > > > > > > > people's experiences during Saturn combust? > > > > > > > > > namaste, > > > > > > > > > lien > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - > > > Release Date: > > > > > > > 8/7/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
