Rasi and div charts (Pradeep) Shri Narasimha -1

Dear Narasimha ji

 

Thanks for your mail.There is no inconsistency at all.

 

1)Aspects can happen only if planets are longitudinally disposed so.

(You Know the rules).

 

2)Let us Take your example.

a)Lagna is at 22 deg in Aries

b)Jupiter is at 18 deg Gemini

C)Lagna navamsha is Libra

 

Now my question is whether you project or do not project,can Jupiter

in Gemini aspect Libra Sign or not.Yes by 5th special aspect.

 

3)Now Let us take your second example.

a)Mars is at 2 deg Aries

b)Jupiter is at 22 deg Aries

 

Now my question is whether you project or do not,Can Mars at 2deg

Aries aspect Jupiter at 22 deg Aries.No.Aspectual rules from

Parashara allows that.

 

Now i feel you are clear about the aspectual idea conveyed. The

question remaining is what is a navamsha,why only lagna is

projected,cant i project all planets etc.The answer is yes.The

navamsha grouping(that we call as a chart) is the result of such a

projection.Now we should understand what is a navamsha - is it an

external(transformed space)projection or a projection within the

same Rashi chakra.We will see classical examples too.Pls see the

next mail.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> I seem to detect an inconsistency in your stand.

>

> If Jupiter and Mars are at 2 deg and 22 deg in Aries

(respectively), I take them to be in Ar and Li in navamsa chart and

I take them to aspect each other.

>

> You seem to have a problem with it. You do not recognize the fact

that they are in Ar and Li (in navamsa). You still think in terms of

the physical placement (rasi chart). You say that they are still at

2 deg and 22 deg in Aries and hence 20 deg apart. So you questioned

how two planets apart by 20 deg can aspect each other.

>

> Of course, in my view, they are not 20 deg apart. They are 20 deg

apart in the physical space (rasi) and 180 deg apart in navamsa. But

let us leave that aside and accept your view for a moment.

>

> Now, the interesting thing is that you and Finn said that the

correct way to judge a division is to project its lagna onto the

rasi chart and judge houses from it and aspects on it in rasi chart,

using planets of rasi chart. I hope I am not misrepresenting you.

>

> Now, this brings into question your inconsistency. Let me

elaborate.

>

> Suppose lagna is at 22 deg in Aries and Jupiter is at 18 deg

Gemini. Lagna in navamsa is in Libra. You "project" it onto rasi

chart and say that "navamsa lagna" is in Libra in rasi chart. You

say that Jupiter at 18 deg in Gemini aspects navamsa lagna. (I hope

I am not misrepresenting you.)

>

> However, lagna is at 22 deg in Aries physically (using the same

argument you used earlier/above) and Jupiter is at 56 deg from it.

How can he aspect it?

>

> Thus, when you are projecting navamsa lagna from Li in navamsa to

Li in rasi, you are ignoring the fact that lagna is not physically

in Li and treating as Li. Then why can't I project my Mars and

Jupiter at 2 and 22 deg in Aries in the above example from Ar and Li

in navamsa to Ar and Li in rasi chart and say that they aspect each

other? I'll call them "navamsa Mars" and "navamsa Jupiter" and

project them onto Ar and Li of rasi chart (just as you

projected "navamsa lagna" onto Li of rasi chart in the latter

example) and say that they aspect each other.

>

> * * *

>

> > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any

> > classical reference.

>

> To answer your question directly, it is not a view but a deduction.

>

> Libra covers 180 deg-210 deg of the zodiac. A planet in the 7th

navamsa of Aries was mapped to Libra by Parasara. In other words, a

planet between 20 deg and 23 deg 20 min of the zodiac is mapped to

180 deg-210 of the zodiac. The way to understand it is to look at as

a transformation. A tranformation can map the same space onto

itself. We can take a space X and find a map f that maps X onto X.

Navamsa transformation and dasamsa transformation are essentially

such maps of zodiac onto the same zodiac.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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>

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I answered this query of yours umpteen times.

> > >

> > > Navamsa, dasamsa etc are transformed spaces. Two planets may

be 20

> > > deg apart in the same sign in the physical space, but 180 deg

> > apart

> > > in the transformed navamsa space.

> >

> > Dear Narasimha ji

> >

> > Is this transformed space your personal view or based on any

> > classical reference.Shri Sanjay Rath once replied ''there are

two

> > zodiacs - one in order and other not'' .Thus i would like to

know

> > your view as well as SJC view ,so that people will not get

confused.

> >

> > I know only about one zodiac,12 signs and divisions of

individual

> > signs as advised by sage and there is no confusion at all.

> >

> > As per your understanding is there a ''transformed space'' for

> > nakshathra padas or are they physically present within a

rashi!!!.

> > (It equals one navamsha).

> > Vargas show the relationship one planet is having with different

> > signs(lords) based on ''arcs'' within a rashi.Kalyan Varma has

given

> > clear examples regarding physique for each navamsha within a

rashi.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

>