Sriram Nayak

January 23, 2003

--- Chopra Tarun <astrotarun wrote:

> Dear Sriram Nayak,

>

> A remedy for you, and this will solve your problem

> remove all pictures of Elephants from home as lal

> kitab says elephants are Rahu. Dont Times

> of

> India if you use that stop reading that

>

> your postion will be clear on 5 febuary

>

> all the best from me

>

> Tarun Chopra

>

> you are affected by mostly rahu

parshana chart

Now, , Female, 23/01/2003, 20:53:55, DST/WT 0,

Gurgaon, , India, Time Zone 5.50, Lat. 28 N 28, Long.

77 E 2, Ayanamsa--12:53:6,

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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Tarun,

Now, Rahu rules elephants. Parasara says that Jupiter indicates INDRA the

King of the Deva's. He rides the King of the elephants called Airavata.

Jyotish connects elephants with Jupiter (Gaja). I wonder about the logic of

the Lal Kitab. Lal Kitab also refuses to accept the existence of the Lagna

and all people born in a span of about 2-3 days have exactly similar

fortunes. Of course thee are good things that the Yavanas have given.

I repeat the advise of kalyan Verma (Saravali): Be casreful in weighing and

using this knowledge of the Yavanas. If it clashes with the foundations of

Jyotish, leave it.

At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,

I remain,

Sanjay Rath

Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, India

Tel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; Personal Web:

http://srath.com

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"Chopra Tarun" <astrotarun

Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:54 PM

[GJ] Sriram Nayak

>

> --- Chopra Tarun <astrotarun wrote:

> > Dear Sriram Nayak,

> >

> > A remedy for you, and this will solve your problem

> > remove all pictures of Elephants from home as lal

> > kitab says elephants are Rahu. Dont Times

> > of

> > India if you use that stop reading that

> >

> > your postion will be clear on 5 febuary

> >

> > all the best from me

> >

> > Tarun Chopra

> >

> > you are affected by mostly rahu

>

> parshana chart

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> 77 E 2, Ayanamsa--12:53:6,

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January 23, 2003

Dear Mr Tarun Chopra,

Thanks a lot for your suggestions. I was infact subscribing to TOI. . I would

put an end to that and for other newspapers without elephant logo

of course! . I am surprised though at your suggestion on newspapers as I am

sure not many would have given it a thought at such a detail.

Thanks once again

Best regards

sriram nayak

Chopra Tarun wrote:

> --- Chopra Tarun <astrotarun wrote:

> > Dear Sriram Nayak,

> >

> > A remedy for you, and this will solve your problem

> > remove all pictures of Elephants from home as lal

> > kitab says elephants are Rahu. Dont Times

> > of

> > India if you use that stop reading that

> >

> > your postion will be clear on 5 febuary

> >

> > all the best from me

> >

> > Tarun Chopra

> >

> > you are affected by mostly rahu

>

> parshana chart

> Now, , Female, 23/01/2003, 20:53:55, DST/WT 0,

> Gurgaon, , India, Time Zone 5.50, Lat. 28 N 28, Long.

> 77 E 2, Ayanamsa--12:53:6,

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sriram nayak

January 23, 2003

Holy Helsinki

Tarun

Chopras suggestion had me greatly relieved when I nearly laughed my

brains off......

Elephants

OK.... Times of India ? .....Whoa... This had to be the most seriously

delivered punchline after Tarzan's "Who greased the

vines"......

Still laughing.... and also thankful for the depth of Shri Chopra....

Laughs apart, the man deserves a standing ovation for the depth of

knowledge he possesses, combined with the facts of life.....

Ajay

At 07:24 AM 1/23/03 -0800, you wrote:

--- Chopra Tarun

<astrotarun > wrote:

> Dear Sriram Nayak,

>

> A remedy for you, and this will solve your problem

> remove all pictures of Elephants from home as lal

> kitab says elephants are Rahu. Dont Times

> of

> India if you use that stop reading that

>

> your postion will be clear on 5 febuary

>

> all the best from me

>

> Tarun Chopra

>

> you are affected by mostly rahu

parshana chart

Now, , Female, 23/01/2003, 20:53:55, DST/WT 0,

Gurgaon, , India, Time Zone 5.50, Lat. 28 N 28, Long.

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January 23, 2003

It is not reading of a newspaper that is forbidden as much as not to have

elephant symbols around you for a combination of Rahu posited in 11th as per

Lal Kitab. Now if you ask me , I have seen Lal Kitab remedies defy logic in

many cases, but have proved extremely successful in many of the lives I have

seen around me. I am not saying that they are illogical , but work from a

very different perspective far drawn out of the traditional Astrology. In any

case this is my opinion .

regards

sriram nayak

Manoj Kumar wrote:

> I am surprised to note that even the brand of news

> paper one reads can be found out from one's Horoscope.

> Is it not stretching astrology too far and strange

> that it would work as a remedy. One should stop

> reading News Papers then, because some News Paper

> might be causing problems...What will happen to me who

> reads almost 16 news papers of India and 5 from

> outside India daily.

>

> God only save me.

>

> Manoj

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January 24, 2003

Dear Sanjay,

I have read Lal Kitab. In Lal Kitab, Rahu has been

called Elephant. Lal Kitab originated in Punjab. And I

have often been told that its remedies work fine but I

could not find any predictive tool in it. Moreover,

the progression method that is used is again

something. My question is that there may be different

methods of predicting things...but what has it to do

with stopping reading a particular news paper. I did

not find any newspaper in the entire Lal Kitab.

"Haathi baitha takhat par to takhat charmarane

laga..." is one farman of Lal Kitab where Rahu becomes

an elephant.

Manoj

--- Sanjay Rath <daivagyna wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

> Dear Tarun,

> Now, Rahu rules elephants. Parasara says that

> Jupiter indicates INDRA the

> King of the Deva's. He rides the King of the

> elephants called Airavata.

> Jyotish connects elephants with Jupiter (Gaja). I

> wonder about the logic of

> the Lal Kitab. Lal Kitab also refuses to accept the

> existence of the Lagna

> and all people born in a span of about 2-3 days have

> exactly similar

> fortunes. Of course thee are good things that the

> Yavanas have given.

> I repeat the advise of kalyan Verma (Saravali): Be

> casreful in weighing and

> using this knowledge of the Yavanas. If it clashes

> with the foundations of

> Jyotish, leave it.

> At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,

> I remain,

> Sanjay Rath

> Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New

> Delhi 110091, India

> Tel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages:

> http://.org; Personal Web:

> http://srath.com

> -

> "Chopra Tarun" <astrotarun

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> Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:54 PM

> [GJ] Sriram Nayak

>

> >

> > --- Chopra Tarun <astrotarun wrote:

> > > Dear Sriram Nayak,

> > >

> > > A remedy for you, and this will solve your

> problem

> > > remove all pictures of Elephants from home as

> lal

> > > kitab says elephants are Rahu. Dont

> Times

> > > of

> > > India if you use that stop reading that

> > >

> > > your postion will be clear on 5 febuary

> > >

> > > all the best from me

> > >

> > > Tarun Chopra

> > >

> > > you are affected by mostly rahu

> >

> > parshana chart

> > Now, , Female, 23/01/2003, 20:53:55, DST/WT 0,

> > Gurgaon, , India, Time Zone 5.50, Lat. 28 N 28,

> Long.

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Dear Sanjay rath ji,

I have my own style, I use my own methods of

predictions and my remedies are unique, which I have

learnt from my experience.

I don’t want to see what the books says, all says to

use Lahiri’s Ayanamsha I use my own which is 11 degree

2 seconds away from Lahiri’s.

I have been trying to ask about my marriage from you

and posted my details personally but you did not got

the time to see never mind it happens, I was sure

before leaving ketu from Sagittarius I will be getting

married now I am getting married on sixth February.

I still believe that ketu is their in Sagittarius and

not in Scorpio, yes it is not logic because it is said

Rahu and ketu move in opposite direction exactly same

degree but I believe that ketu follows rahu so it

takes some time to come in a line if there is circle a

moving body will take time to catch that he follows

and I believe there is around seven degree difference

between Rahu and ketu degree.

I am predicting by that only, I keep rahu in Taurus

and ketu in Sagittarius while making the horary chart.

Let the other people do what they want to do I don’t

care I am not a teacher I am a professional astrologer

and earn money from it. But not demanding if only a

persons want to pay me and he is satisfied from my

service. And by doing this I am doing very well from

last five years.

So its depends on all who want to consider rahu as

elephant or Jupiter as elephant I will not get

involved in this.

Let the light guide us all

With best wishes

Tarun Chopra

--- Sanjay Rath <daivagyna wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

> Dear Tarun,

> Now, Rahu rules elephants. Parasara says that

> Jupiter indicates INDRA the

> King of the Deva's. He rides the King of the

> elephants called Airavata.

> Jyotish connects elephants with Jupiter (Gaja). I

> wonder about the logic of

> the Lal Kitab. Lal Kitab also refuses to accept the

> existence of the Lagna

> and all people born in a span of about 2-3 days have

> exactly similar

> fortunes. Of course thee are good things that the

> Yavanas have given.

> I repeat the advise of kalyan Verma (Saravali): Be

> casreful in weighing and

> using this knowledge of the Yavanas. If it clashes

> with the foundations of

> Jyotish, leave it.

> At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,

> I remain,

> Sanjay Rath

> Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New

> Delhi 110091, India

> Tel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages:

> http://.org; Personal Web:

> http://srath.com

> -

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> Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:54 PM

> [GJ] Sriram Nayak

>

> >

> > --- Chopra Tarun <astrotarun wrote:

> > > Dear Sriram Nayak,

> > >

> > > A remedy for you, and this will solve your

> problem

> > > remove all pictures of Elephants from home as

> lal

> > > kitab says elephants are Rahu. Dont

> Times

> > > of

> > > India if you use that stop reading that

> > >

> > > your postion will be clear on 5 febuary

> > >

> > > all the best from me

> > >

> > > Tarun Chopra

> > >

> > > you are affected by mostly rahu

> >

> > parshana chart

> > Now, , Female, 23/01/2003, 20:53:55, DST/WT 0,

> > Gurgaon, , India, Time Zone 5.50, Lat. 28 N 28,

> Long.

> > 77 E 2, Ayanamsa--12:53:6,

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Om Gurave NamahDear Tarun ji,

I am sorry if I did not respond to a mail on this. There are many others who I

have not responded to because of various reasons, more personal than anything

else. You should follow what you believe. That is the essence of the teachings

of Dattatreya. However, this is the first time I have heard that Ketu is not

opposite Rahu. I admit it did leave me a bit shocked, but then everyone is

entitled to their opinions.

As you said, I join in your prayer - May His Light Guide. "so.ahaMsa"- Nice name

of the Sun God. Ganesha prayed with this name.

Wishing you all the best for your wedding and may Prajapati bless you with many

able children.At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,I remain,Sanjay RathMail:

71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, IndiaTel:

+91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; Personal Web:

http://srath.com

- "Chopra Tarun" <astrotarun >

Friday, January 24, 2003 3:31 PM

Re: [GJ] Sriram Nayak

> Dear Sanjay rath ji,> > I have my own style, I use my own methods of>

predictions and my remedies are unique, which I have> learnt from my

experience.> > I don’t want to see what the books says, all says to> use

Lahiri’s Ayanamsha I use my own which is 11 degree> 2 seconds away from

Lahiri’s.> > I have been trying to ask about my marriage from you> and posted

my details personally but you did not got> the time to see never mind it

happens, I was sure> before leaving ketu from Sagittarius I will be getting>

married now I am getting married on sixth February.> > I still believe that

ketu is their in Sagittarius and> not in Scorpio, yes it is not logic because

it is said> Rahu and ketu move in opposite direction exactly same> degree but

I believe that ketu follows rahu so it> takes some time to come in a line if

there is circle a> moving body will take time to catch that he follows> and I

believe there is around seven degree difference> between Rahu and ketu

degree.> > I am predicting by that only, I keep rahu in Taurus> and ketu in

Sagittarius while making the horary chart.> > Let the other people do what

they want to do I don’t> care I am not a teacher I am a professional

astrologer> and earn money from it. But not demanding if only a> persons want

to pay me and he is satisfied from my> service. And by doing this I am doing

very well from> last five years. > > So its depends on all who want to consider

rahu as> elephant or Jupiter as elephant I will not get> involved in this.> >

Let the light guide us all> > With best wishes> > Tarun Chopra > > --- Sanjay

Rath <daivagyna (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Tarun,> > Now,

Rahu rules elephants. Parasara says that> > Jupiter indicates INDRA the> > King

of the Deva's. He rides the King of the> > elephants called Airavata.> > Jyotish

connects elephants with Jupiter (Gaja). I> > wonder about the logic of> > the

Lal Kitab. Lal Kitab also refuses to accept the> > existence of the Lagna> >

and all people born in a span of about 2-3 days have> > exactly similar> >

fortunes. Of course thee are good things that the> > Yavanas have given.> > I

repeat the advise of kalyan Verma (Saravali): Be> > casreful in weighing and> >

using this knowledge of the Yavanas. If it clashes> > with the foundations of> >

Jyotish, leave it.> > At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,> > I remain,> >

Sanjay Rath> > Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New> > Delhi

110091, India> > Tel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages:> >

http://.org; Personal Web:> > http://srath.com> > ----- Original

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[GJ] Sriram Nayak> > > > > > >> > > --- Chopra Tarun

<astrotarun > wrote:> > > > Dear Sriram Nayak,> > > >> > > > A remedy

for you, and this will solve your> > problem> > > > remove all pictures of

Elephants from home as> > lal> > > > kitab says elephants are Rahu. Dont

> > Times> > > > of> > > > India if you use that stop reading that> >

> >> > > > your postion will be clear on 5 febuary> > > >> > > > all the best

from me> > > >> > > > Tarun Chopra> > > >> > > > you are affected by mostly

rahu> > >> > > parshana chart> > > Now, , Female, 23/01/2003, 20:53:55, DST/WT

0,> > > Gurgaon, , India, Time Zone 5.50, Lat. 28 N 28,> > Long.> > > 77 E 2,

Ayanamsa--12:53:6,> > >> > >

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Om Gurave NamahDear Manoj

You are right to some extent. But I did find some portions useful in

understanding political astrology, especially those related to 'Takat' pr the

throne.

I never talked of newspapers. Yavanas were the foreign invaders like the Yavanas

who destroyed the Sun temple at Konarak. Although some day it just fell down

with time! I can't imagine why it was so selective in falling down only at the

prayer hall leaving everything else intact. In the present context, Punjab has

faced the brunt of the moslem invasions and have still adhered to their

culture. Incredible. Such faith is rare. The Lal Kitab speaks of a very low

level of astrological knowledge and to my mind, this does not do justice to the

great Punjab. In fact Punjab has produced such stalwar astrologers like Pandit

Hardayala. I am giving the extract from the Bhai Balaji Janam Sakhi as

translated by Manpreet Singh Gambhir.

-------------

Pundit Harday˜la asked to see the child. The mother protest was over ruled by

his insistence and his assurance that the exposure would do no harm to the

newborn. As the child was brought out in his swaddling clothes, the Pundit paid

homage to the child with folded hands and told BhaŸ k˜l¨ that he will come back

after thirteen days to give the child a name.

Pundit came to BhaŸ k˜l¨’s house on the 13th day and named the child ‘Nanak

Nirankari’. Hearing this BhaŸ k˜l¨ protested that the name is both Hindu and

Turkish. To this Pundit ji said that the child is a great saint like none other

and both Hindus and Turks will reverence him; his name will become known on

earth and in heaven The ocean will give him way, so will earth and skies. He

will worship only one formless lord and teach others to do so. He will have

divine knowledge and will recognize the efforts of all. He further said, that

nine Naths, Eighty four Siddhs, Fifty two Virs, Sixty four Yoginis, Bhut Pret

(ghosts), Demi Gods, Rishi Muni will obey him. He expressed grief that he

himself may not live to see the glory of the child.Commentary: Guru Nanak dev

ji’s horoscope has a strong Jupiter in Lagna which indicates the he would be

influenced by Jupiter in all his deeds. Jupiter rules ˜k˜þa tatva [tatva means

basic element and Aakash tatva means Ether], a tatva that binds all other

tatvas. Thus Jupiter binds or brings things together and hence Pundit Harday˜la

stated that Guru Nanak Dev ji would be equally reverenced by both Hindus and

Turks.

Pundit ji named the child ‘Nanak’ and said that he would be very famous. The

starting letter ‘Na’ is the ˜k˜þa tatva akshara of Jupiter’s group of five

letters, showing that the Pundit must was well versed with Parasara’s

principles of naming a child based on the strongest planet in the chart. The

horoscope indicates that Arudha Lagna (AL) is in Scorpio and exalted Moon is in

7th from it. Jupiter or Moon in Arudha Lagna or 7th from it gives undying fame

just as Jupiter in the 1st or 7th house gives a name that lives beyond death.

Moon indicates fame because of mass (people) following. The name ‘Nanak’ begins

with alphabet ‘na’, which belongs to Scorpio as per the (hoda chakra), identical

to Guru ji’s Arudha Lagna. Thus name Nanak would bring fame to Guru ji.

According to Katapayadi Varga, name Nanak maps to Cancer, which is the twelfth

house, related to emancipation and is also in trines to Arudha Lagna. Cancer is

the sign of exaltation of Jupiter and the most fruitful sign of the zodiac. It

is the only sign capable of destroying the evils of Shakti Yoga (as indicated

by Jaimini) and shows a great soul who will reform many evil doers. The impact

of the name from Lagna is seen for the influence it will have on the life of

the native and here it is the fourth house from lagna i.e. Scorpio. This is the

anchor of the Moksha Trikona, houses the Atmakaraka mercury and lagna Lord and

Devata Karaka (Guru) Sun which is also the lagna Lord showing that Guru Nanak

Devji would be the Guru himself. Thus the name given by Pundit ji indicates the

life that Guru ji was to live.

Pundit Harday˜la made other predictions like Guru ji would worship and preach

the formless lord, would have divine knowledge and Naths, siddhs, etc. would

obey him.

-----------

Look at the level of Jyotish knowledge in the Punjab. It is horrendos to suggest

that these brilliant people suddenly disappeared and accept such other works

with low level of knowledge as representative of the Jyotish Vidya from Punjab.

This very Punjab which has so meticulously followed the Suklanta Maasa method

cannot be the (dis)credited with such other lower level works. Just see the

kind of predictions made, and that too on seeing a baby's chart!

Manoj, I am unable to understand the reference to newspaper? I have not

commented on any newspaper at all in any mail.At the feet of Guru Pandita

Kasinatha,I remain,Sanjay RathMail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1,

New Delhi 110091, IndiaTel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages:

http://.org; Personal Web: http://srath.com

- "Manoj Kumar" <mouji99 >

Friday, January 24, 2003 2:37 PM

Re: [GJ] Sriram Nayak

> Dear Sanjay,> > I have read Lal Kitab. In Lal Kitab, Rahu has been> called

Elephant. Lal Kitab originated in Punjab. And I> have often been told that its

remedies work fine but I> could not find any predictive tool in it. Moreover,>

the progression method that is used is again> something. My question is that

there may be different> methods of predicting things...but what has it to do>

with stopping reading a particular news paper. I did> not find any newspaper in

the entire Lal Kitab.> "Haathi baitha takhat par to takhat charmarane> laga..."

is one farman of Lal Kitab where Rahu becomes> an elephant.> > Manoj> ---

Sanjay Rath <daivagyna (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Tarun,>

> Now, Rahu rules elephants. Parasara says that> > Jupiter indicates INDRA the>

> King of the Deva's. He rides the King of the> > elephants called Airavata.> >

Jyotish connects elephants with Jupiter (Gaja). I> > wonder about the logic of>

> the Lal Kitab. Lal Kitab also refuses to accept the> > existence of the Lagna>

> and all people born in a span of about 2-3 days have> > exactly similar> >