Pursottam [Confused convert needs help!]

Pranaam Pursottam,

 

I am very impressed at your reading below, especially since there are

quite a few similarities with my own chart - I have the same Scorpio

ascendant with debilitated moon, but my Saturn is in the 5th and not

4th and I have a similar "traffic jam" but in the 9th instead of 8th -

and I am _very_ different from that native. So I thought maybe a

comparative reading of my chart may be of benefit to the members, if

you have time. My birth details are as follows:

 

Aug. 23, 1966, 3:51pm (4h East of GMT), 44E30, 40N11

 

Vahe Ganapetyan

 

gjlist, "Pursottam" <pursottam_dabasia> wrote:

> Om Krishnaaya Namah

>

> Hi Shane,

>

> > everything to make predictions as accurate as you read about. Is

> > there some set way of going about it you could demonstrate to me?

> > Could anybody practically demonstrate these methods on the

following

> > chart of somebody I know (not me)? Thanks.

>

> The blending bit is the bit where every astrologer probably finds

problems.

> It's one thing to note down all the aspects and strength's etc. and

another

> to translate these to real life manifestations. This is the one

single area

> which we're all trying to achieve perfection, for I doubt that even

a pro

> can guarantee 100% accuracy. I'm not a pro, but here's my approach

and tips,

> FWIW, and after that I'll go through the chart you gave.

>

> The first thing to understand is that in studying the heavens, we

are

> studying God's art. It is said that art tells something about the

artist,

> and in this case we're therefore trying to understand God's mind.

This

> undoubtedly must be difficult. Therefore, activities which (re)

establish

> ones relationship with God will also help one's practise of

astrology.

> Therefore, whatever your understanding of God may be, undertaking

spiritual

> practices in that framework will help. In the Vedic tradition, the

most

> important of such practises in the Kali Yuga is the chanting of

God's Holy

> Names. Also important is general good living and particularly,

honesty.

> Astrologers try to achieve vak siddhi, perfection of speech, whereby

> whatever one says is true. Therefore deliberately avoiding lying is

> important.

>

> Since Jyotish is a Vedic science, which hopefully you will soon

realise is

> very effective, it is important to understand other Vedic

philosophy. Even

> if you don't study any other Vedic scripture, read the Bhagavad-

Gita. This

> is especially important, because it is pretty much the first

scripture which

> essentially records the first conversation between God, the

Supreme, and an

> ordinary man in his normal job face-to face, with no middleman. It

> summarises Vedic philosophy.

>

> Now, moving directly to Jyotish, firstly don't read the BPHS to

start with.

> The BPHS is a conversation between a very spiritually advanced

Sage, and his

> very spiritually advanced disciple. His spiritually advanced

disciple would

> have grown up with these things around him, and therefore would

have had

> some idea of the subject matter. No current translation of this

great

> classic gives you all the information in a way you can learn from

scratch.

> Therefore start learning the signs, the planets, the houses and the

> planetary aspects. Then learn the Vimshottari Dashas. Some yoga's

will also

> do nicely. If you can understand these concepts, then later you can

move to

> Varga's, sign aspects, chara karaka's, other dasha's etc. and

learning these

> will be much easier and will refine your interpretations. The best

book to

> start with is Hart deFouw's "Light on Life".

>

> Now here's a suggested approach to a chart, using just the basics

mentioned

> above. First, try to get an understanding of the person you are

dealing with

> i.e. how they see things and how their mind works. To do this see

which

> planets are strong, which are weak, and which of these influence

the Lagna

> or Moon, along with the Lagna sign itself. The strong planets will

show

> their positive characteristics, while the weak will show their

negative

> sides.

>

> Now look for Yogas. First just see the general Raja, Dhana, Arishta

etc.

> yogas. And make sure analyse the strength of these. The more of

these yoga's

> there are, the more you know about the likely course of the

person's life.

> Then see some of the specific yoga's e.g. Ashubha Mala, Chandra-

Mangala,

> Kala-Sarpa, Lakshmi etc. You get a better idea of the person's

destiny, and

> also the (in)auspiciousness and importance of a planet, depending

on how

> many Yoga's it participates in.

>

> Now go house to house, analysing each house in terms of occupants,

aspects

> to it, and also do the same to it's Lord and the karaka. Then

come's the fun

> bit - now you can try blending all that to make a story of a

person's

> life.:-)

>

> Having done all the houses and having understood (to some extent)

the kind

> of karma's in the chart, you then get the fun and riveting job of

timing the

> ripening of these karmas, through the Dasha's. Crosschecking dashas

with

> transits is good, and deFouw covers that in a basic way. That's how

it's all

> meant to work.in theory.

>

> The practise is just a little more difficult :-) Let's now take the

chart

> you have given.

>

> First off let me say that what has been given is in-fact rather

inadequate

> for a good reading. At least the Vimshottari Dashas and the

Navamsha should

> be given. But since this is more about trying to get some sort of

fixed

> methodology for reading a chart (this is actually impossible as

things will

> eventually jump out at you), I'll go through the above steps (this

paragraph

> is of course my way of saying don't blame me for bad

interpretations :-))

>

> OK, so we have a major traffic jam in the eighth and furthermore

Scorpio is

> rising with the Moon in it, suggesting an extremely strong interest

in Death

> and the occult, such as tarot, astrology, runes etc. That Venus

conjoins an

> exalted Rahu in the eighth, in association with the eighth Lord

supports

> this interpretation and also suggests an extremely high level of

passion,

> and a very sexually motivated person. This is also a secretive

person, who'

> ll do anything to keep secrets but will also put in effort trying

to get at

> others secrets. Some other general traits of Scorpio which are

confirmed

> elsewhere are that the person may have problems in their

relationship with

> their parents, and may have a heterodox view on religious matters,

rejecting

> traditional ideas. Strong ambitions, which are unsatisfied at their

place of

> birth, so they may travel. There is the occupation of a weak moon

which

> makes a person rather fickle, and also there is an aspect of a

powerful

> Mars, which gives strength, boldness and goal-focused energy, but

also makes

> the person rash, irritable and aggressive. Combining this with the

fickle

> Moon we see a person who may get frustrated and irritated very

easily, and

> the expressions of this may be rather nasty, but they calm down

just as

> quickly. In trying to fulfil ambitions, they'll put in all that is

> necessary.

>

> Now we go to the more predictive side. There's no major raja etc.

yoga's,

> suggesting an ordinary person.duh! Shasha Yoga of the Pancha

Mahapurusha

> Yogas turns up and of the "miscellaneous yogas", we see some

partially

> completed - Shakata - suggesting many up's and down's, a Dur Yoga

(the weak

> tenth one) - showing general difficulties in career, perhaps a sort-

of

> Kemadruma - again giving just general difficulties, as it's not a

fully

> fledged Kemadruma. On a more positive note, we see nice

combinations like

> Viparita Raja Yoga, showing a sudden rise in life and a partial

Budhaditya

> showing intelligence. We get the picture of quite an intelligent

person,

> whose life filled be filled with major "ups and downs", and while

the

> successful times maybe very enjoyable, the difficult times will

also be very

> bad. (Actually there's a lot more to Yogas, but I ain't got a lot

of time

> now). Now we got to the houses. The first house is aspected by it's

own lord

> and Saturn. It is occupied by a weak but beneficial Moon. Generally

one

> might say that the native's health is good and stable. However, the

Moon is

> in the Lagna, debilitated and aspected by two natural malefics,

therefore

> some lunar health problems perhaps associated with the lungs and

breathing,

> such as asthma or bronchitis may be present.

>

> Moving on two house number two - wealth, family, eyesight etc. -

Occupied by

> Ketu, but aspected by the three natural benefics, Venus, Mercury

and it's

> Lord Jupiter (who occupies the (sixth) suggests that while there

may be

> problems in wealth sometimes, esp. debt (the sixth), there is a lot

of

> wealth and any problems will be under control. With regards to

family, Ketu'

> s presence suggests "something weird", but considering all the

benefic

> influences, and the fact that Ketu is strong in Sagittarius appears

to

> suggest that there will be eventual family happiness. Ketu, however

is not

> so good for the health, and in the second, may influence the

eyesight (esp.

> the right eye). As the Lord of the second is in the sixth of disease

> (aspected by Saturn), and the Sun is in the eighth conjunct the

Rahu and the

> eighth and twelfth Lords, it seems as if there may be defects in

Vision.

>

> Third House.aspected by none, it's Lord strong in the fourth, it's

karaka

> Mars strong in the seventh, suggests that the native will have

younger

> siblings, and will also have many short journeys in life. It also

suggests

> the native is very confident and makes one rather bold and

outgoing. They

> don't put with something they don't want to put up with. Younger

siblings

> are probably male, mainly due to the lack of feminine influences.

As Mercury

> is strong (and participating in a Viparita Raja Yoga), there is

brilliant

> writing ability, as well as general communication abilities.

>

> The fourth.Saturn in own sign, aspected by Rahu shows a working

class

> background, and a very traditional strict family. As mentioned, the

native

> may rebel against traditional religious values etc. they were

brought up

> with in childhood. However the fact that both Lords of the fourth

are

> strong, and Venus participates in a Viparita Raja Yoga with it's

friend

> Mercury, suggests a lot of material luxuries.big homes, nice cars

etc. The

> Moon's extreme weakness and the strength of the fourth Lords

suggests a

> healthy and long-lived mother, but the native's own relationship

with their

> mother may have problems.

>

> The fifth has no aspects, but it's Lord (and karaka) Jupiter is in

the sixth

> aspected by Saturn, and this suggests problems in the kids

department. There

> is a huge sex-drive indicated in this chart (as I'll elaborate on

soon), yet

> it appears as if the native either won't have kids till later on in

life, or

> may not have them at all (which is what I'd bet based on just what

my mind

> pushes me to.call it intuition. Perhaps that's the weird Ketu in the

> second).

>

> The sixth.Occupied by Jupiter, aspected by Saturn (into

debilitation sign),

> while it's Lord Mars is pretty strong. Saturn suggests that there

may be

> problems with minor diseases, but the benefic factors suggest

nothing

> serious, and conquering enemies and other wonderful defeats of the

bad

> things the sixth represents.

>

> The seventh is occupied by a strong Mars (Kuja Dosha), hemmed-in

between

> benefics, while the Lord is quite strong in the eighth.where shall

I start?

> The first Lord in the seventh suggests foreign travel and

residence. This is

> supported by the fact that the seventh and twelfth Lord Venus

conjoins a

> very strong Rahu, in the eighth (with the tenth Lord - career

develops in

> foreign places). Also strong eleventh Lord - gains in foreign

places. So

> perhaps the native will live somewhere foreign.

>

> Mars in the seventh in Taurus, seventh Lord Venus in Gemini in the

eighth

> with Rahu and the Lord of the eighth and twelfth, Scorpio Moon and

Lagna.It

> all adds upto a really, really highly sexed person. Very

passionate. Strong

> Mars in the seventh suggests that relationships may be problematic,

and

> partners may be bossy and masculine, like the native. This could

potentially

> lead to spouses feeling as if their individuality is submerged (add

in the

> Scorpio). So there are some difficulties there. But, other

strengths of the

> seventh suggest eventual happiness in relationships. The Lord of the

> seventh, also karaka Venus conjunct Rahu in the eighth suggests a

foreign

> spouse. (As a side note, it is interesting to find that homosexual

people's

> charts also tend to show highly passionate tendencies, with Rahu

strongly

> influencing the relationship factors - seventh, Lord and karaka).

>

> Strong eighth emphasis as mentioned gives a very lusty person, with

an

> interest in the occult. Strong eighth Lord and Saturn suggests good

> longevity.

>

> Ninth Lord very weak, coupled with the other factors mentioned

suggests a

> religious deviant, with no respect for their religion, leaders etc.

Also as

> the karaka for the father, the Sun is in the eighth, conjunct

eighth Lord

> and Rahu, at best the father may have been very sickly, or more

likely, may

> have died relatively early.

>

> And on you go.

>

> I'm out of time now, but I really hope this has helped, not just

you but

> also anybody feeling lost. To get into timing, you'd get into

dasha's and

> transits, perhaps something we could discuss later, but for now,

hopefully

> you can start on some charts.

>

> Let me know how wrong I've gone!

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pursottam

>

> P.S. Hope everybody had a nice Holi and Gaura Purnima yesterday.

Om Krishnaaya Namah

 

Hello Vahe,

 

> and I am _very_ different from that native. So I thought maybe a

> comparative reading of my chart may be of benefit to the members, if

> you have time. My birth details are as follows:

 

Thanks for your mail and data. Unfortunately I'm a bit pressed fot time at

the moment and in any case, doing a comparative reading would kinda be

cheating on my part - I know a bit about you from other lists!

 

But Thanks again,

 

Pursottam