first jeeyar & sri malolan

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Dear Sri Anand Karlapakam,

I was told the first Jeeyar of Ahobila Matam and a few Jeeyars afterwards were actually from rAmAnuja sampradayam (thennAcharya sampradayam). The Matam was later taken over by vadakalai sampradaya people. Is this true?

Also Sri Malolan has a ramAnuja (thennAcharya) sampradaya nAmam, which is reflected in the pictures which were circulated in USA.

Please clarify.

Nivedana

 

"venkat kanumalla" <kanumalla@h...> Thu May 9, 2002 10:21 pm Re: Invitation for Acharya Sannithi Samprokshanam:

Dear Bhagavatas,Pranamas.May I have the Bhagyam of inviting you all to please come participate in the Acharya Sannithi Samnprokshanam and Prana-Pratishtha ceremonies for Bhagavd Ramanujacharya, Sri Vedanta Desika, Sri Adivan sathagopa Yateendra Maha Desika(the FIRST Jeer of Sri Ahobila Mutt) and Srimate Srivan Sathagopa Sri Vedanta Desika Yateendra Maha Desika (the 44th Jeer of Sri ahobila Mutt and Founder-Acharya of Sri Ranganatha Temple, USA)from 5-24-02 to 5-27-2002 at Sri Ranganatha Temple, Pomona, NY-10970.

Please feel free to call me at 845-627-6716 or at the Temple at 845-364-9790 for all air-port pick-up, accomodation and for any special needs. We also have some rooms reserved at the local hotels and motels, if you so desire.

Please come with all your family and friends and recieve the blessings of these Mahadacharyas and participate in this once-a-life-time event.

Srimad Azhagiyasingar Thiruvadigale Saranam,adiyen, venkat kanumalla.

 

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Nivedana:

 

All of us (Vadakalai & Thenkalai) belong to the Ramanuja SampradAyam.

Unfortunately, the way you have written could be misleading.

 

It is like saying ManavAla Mamunigal belonged to the Ramanuja SampradAyam

first and later on adopted the thennAcharya SampradAyam. It doesn't sound

correct.

 

The person with the ramanujausa address is free to forward this mail

wherever he wants!!!

 

Thanks.

 

Vijayaraghava dAsan

Buffalo, NY

 

 

>Nivedana Nivedana <nivedana

>

>first jeeyar & sri malolan

>Mon, 13 May 2002 10:57:41 -0700 (PDT)

>

>

>Dear Sri Anand Karlapakam,

>

>I was told the first Jeeyar of Ahobila Matam and a few Jeeyars afterwards

>were actually from rAmAnuja sampradayam (thennAcharya sampradayam). The

>Matam was later taken over by vadakalai sampradaya people. Is this true?

>

>Also Sri Malolan has a ramAnuja (thennAcharya) sampradaya nAmam, which is

>reflected in the pictures which were circulated in USA.

>

>Please clarify.

>

>Nivedana

>

>

>

>

> " venkat kanumalla " <kanumalla@h...>

> Thu May 9, 2002 10:21 pm

> Re: Invitation for Acharya Sannithi Samprokshanam:

>

>Dear Bhagavatas,

>Pranamas.

>May I have the Bhagyam of inviting you all to please come

>participate in the Acharya Sannithi Samnprokshanam and

>Prana-Pratishtha ceremonies for Bhagavd Ramanujacharya,

>Sri Vedanta Desika, Sri Adivan sathagopa Yateendra Maha

>Desika(the FIRST Jeer of Sri Ahobila Mutt) and Srimate

>Srivan Sathagopa Sri Vedanta Desika Yateendra Maha Desika

>(the 44th Jeer of Sri ahobila Mutt and Founder-Acharya of Sri Ranganatha

>Temple, USA)from 5-24-02 to 5-27-2002 at

>Sri Ranganatha Temple, Pomona, NY-10970.

>

>Please feel free to call me at 845-627-6716 or at the

>Temple at 845-364-9790 for all air-port pick-up,

>accomodation and for any special needs. We also have

>some rooms reserved at the local hotels and motels, if you so

>desire.

>

>Please come with all your family and friends and recieve

>the blessings of these Mahadacharyas and participate in

>this once-a-life-time event.

>

>Srimad Azhagiyasingar Thiruvadigale Saranam,

>adiyen, venkat kanumalla.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>LAUNCH - Your Music Experience

 

 

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At 10:57 AM 5/13/2002 -0700, Nivedana Nivedana wrote:

 

>Dear Sri Anand Karlapakam,

>

>I was told the first Jeeyar of Ahobila Matam and a few Jeeyars afterwards

>were actually from rAmAnuja sampradayam (thennAcharya sampradayam). The

>Matam was later taken over by vadakalai sampradaya people. Is this true?

 

Not true.

 

Please note, Sri Vaishnavam has two branches called, (i) Vadakalai,

also known as " Sri Desika Sampradayam " , and (ii) Thenkalai, aka

" Then Acharya Sampradayam " . Both kalais trace their acharya lineage

to Bahagavad Ramanuja. Therefore, both Sampradayams can be called

Sri Ramanuja Sampradayam. It is not correct to say that Sri Ramanunja

Sampradayam is Then AchArya Sampradayam.

 

Some people, though sincere and devout, due to lack of familiarity

with Sri Vaishnava history do associate Sri Ramanuja with Thenkalai

and Swami Sri Desika with Vadakalai. To my utter consternation

adiyEn has heard this one too many times from Vadakalais themselves.

Some (emphasis on " some " ) knowledgeable Thenkalais point this out

with glee and claim authentic and exclusive ownership of Sri Ramanauja

siddantham. For them, the term Desika Sampradayam is an affront to

Sri Ramanuja.

 

The fact remains, Sri Ramanuja is darsana sthapakar for modern times

and Swami Sri Desikan is the protector of Bhagavad Ramanuja Siddantam

from rival schools. Without Sri Ramanuja Sri Vaishnavam would not

have had the revival, and without Swami Sri Desika it would not have

survived. It is not an exaggeration to say, but for Swami Sri Desikan,

neither Vadakalai, nor Thenklai would have survived to this day.

 

In line with the core principle of Sri Vaishnavam, namely, BhAgavatha

service is even superior to Bhagavad service, and, service to parama

bhAgavada is most pleasing to the Lord Himself; honoring Swami Sri

Desika (the most exalted sishya of Sri Ramanuja Sampradayam) by calling

our Ramanuja Sampradayam as Desika Sampradayam will be most pleasing

to Sri Ramanuja himself and by corollary, to the Lord Himself.

 

As far as Sri Ahobila Matam Jeeyars are concerned, what you are

told is not true. This can be verified with Guruparamapara texts.

Please refer to " Acharya Vaibhavam " written by Sri Purisai Swami

and published by Sri Visihitadvaita Research Centre. I do not

have the source text used by Sri Purisai Swami. Perhaps someone

in Chennai (Sri Anand Karalappakkam) can approach Sri Purisai

Swami and get the references.

 

It is a fact that Sri Ahobila Matam sishyas share their Samasrayana

Paramparai with the dominant ThenAcharya Sampradayam. As we traverse

the Acharya Paramparai tree from the present Acharya on up to Sri

Ramanuja and beyond, from Sri Vadakku ThiruveedippiLLai onwards

Sri Ahobila Matam and ThenAcharyas have the same samasrayana lineage.

But this does not mean Sri Ahobila Matam jeeyars were Thenkalai

Acharyas. Neither does this mean the Acharays from Sri Ramanuja until

Sri Vadakku ThiruveedippiLLai are Then Acharya. In fact from 3000

Padi GPP we can see that Sri Vadakku ThiruveedippiLlai was a sihsya

of Sri Nadathur Ammal.

 

Sri Purisai Swami cites Guru Paramparai and states that up until

the time of the 5th Jeeyar, all Sri Vaishnavas, who were later to

become Vadakalais and Thenkalais, were together. They maintained

their intellectual differences. This can be verified by the fact

Swami Sri Manavala Mamuigal himself studied Sri Bhashya under

Kidambi Nayinar aka Purushotama Desikar at Kanchi, a Parakala

Matam sishya.

 

Having said all this, there is a trace of truth in the claim.

The fifth Jeeyar of Sri Ahobila Matam was indeed a Thenkalai by

birth (the only Jeeyar from Thenacharya sampradaym according to

Guru Paramparai). However, by the time the Jeeyar ascended to the

throne of Sri Sannidhi he had embraced Vadakalai Sampradayam by

adopting Bhara Samarpanam as prescribed by Swami Sri Desikan and

practices by all Vadakalais including all the Jeeyars of Sri

Ahobila Matam. These facts can be verified from Guru Paramparai

texts cited by Sri Purisai Swami.

 

 

 

>Also Sri Malolan has a ramAnuja (thennAcharya) sampradaya nAmam, which is

>reflected in the pictures which were circulated in USA.

 

 

With the caveat, ramanuja samprayam is NOT synonymous with

ThenAcharya, the above claim that Sri Malolan adorns a Thenkalai

thiruman is just not true. Please give us a link or reference

to this picture that is being circulated in USA.

 

BTW, there are tons and tons of pictures in http://www.ahobilamutt.org

and anyone can visit the site and verify.

 

-- adiyEn ramanuja dasan

srimad azhagiya singar thiruvadi