Jennifer and all: Swami's response on love

Namaste Jennifer and all: Please read and contemplate Swami's

response to Jennifer's questions on loving. She picked up a thread

from earier discussions.

First I will post Swami's response, then, Jennifer's questions below

his response.

SWAMI " S COMMENTS

Namaste Jennifer,

I cannot describe a time when someone could contemplate the existence

of something and the absence of something simultaneously. In the same

way how can we contemplate loving an object and loving without an

object simultaneously? I believe our love is constantly shifting from

" with form " to " without form " .

Far be it from me to ascribe (or even attempt to ascribe) any

percentage value as to how much time we spend with each. It is enough

to know that we go into samadhi and we come out.

It is possible to have universal love for all even while existing in

duality. Jesus showed it, Ramakrishna, Shree Maa, the Vedic Rishis.

This is our goal, even though it is very difficult to attain.

________

JENNIFER'S QUESTIONS

>

> Hello Friends, peace to you all, I have a few questions about the

> discussion on love and fear that we had a few days back. I'm

> referring to the post, 'without fear, love cannot manifest' and the

> learnings which followed from there.

>

> Swami expanded our understanding by sharing that in pure absorption,

> we experience love purely (with no fear) and then once we are out of

> that state and back in duality, it's love/fear again. He also

> illuminated for us that it is possible to just LOVE with no object.

>

> But it isn't an either/or, is it?

>

> My question is, is it possible for US to just LOVE with no object in

> duality? As I go deeper into the love of Divine Mother...spend more

> time with Her, contemplate her teachings, surrender to Her abundant

> love, do I change that ratio? So that, before Her effects in my

> life, it's 50% love, 50% fear, but as I seek relationship with Her,

> it becomes more like 60% pure love, 40% fear, and keeps moving in

> that direction?

>

> Perhaps more accurately: is it possible to become saturated in LOVE

> with no object while still living in duality? The image for me is

> like a bird's nest (the 'I') placed in an ocean of perfectly still

> water (Divine Mother's Love). The weave of the nest relaxes,

> softens, expands outward and downward, is permeated by the water.

> The design of the nest stays the same, but opens into the water, so

> that what is known is more water than nest. No fear of losing

> anything, because it is all felt to be held in Her deep still waters.

>

> With gratitude, Jennifer

" Jesus and Buddha and Chaitanya,

they were all crazy with Your love.

Hey Maa, when will I be so fortunate as

to be able to mix with them?

Heaven is a festival for lunatics.

Just as is the guru, so are Her disciples.

Who can understand this play of love?

You are the one who causes everyone to become crazy with love.

You are the epitome of craziness.

Maa, You are so wealthy.

Give me the blessing of insanity

with love.

I'm begging for Your love

at the ocean of love.

I am the servant of love,

and I'm singing this song to You. "

(The Nectar of Eternal Bliss, p.350)

-- In , " inspectionconnection108 "

<inspectionconnection108 wrote:

>

> Namaste Jennifer and all: Please read and contemplate Swami's

> response to Jennifer's questions on loving. She picked up a thread

> from earier discussions.

> First I will post Swami's response, then, Jennifer's questions below

> his response.

>

> SWAMI " S COMMENTS

>

> Namaste Jennifer,

>

> I cannot describe a time when someone could contemplate the

existence

> of something and the absence of something simultaneously. In the

same

> way how can we contemplate loving an object and loving without an

> object simultaneously? I believe our love is constantly shifting

from

> " with form " to " without form " .

>

> Far be it from me to ascribe (or even attempt to ascribe) any

> percentage value as to how much time we spend with each. It is

enough

> to know that we go into samadhi and we come out.

>

> It is possible to have universal love for all even while existing in

> duality. Jesus showed it, Ramakrishna, Shree Maa, the Vedic Rishis.

>

> This is our goal, even though it is very difficult to attain.

>

> ________

> JENNIFER'S QUESTIONS

> >

> > Hello Friends, peace to you all, I have a few questions about the

> > discussion on love and fear that we had a few days back. I'm

> > referring to the post, 'without fear, love cannot manifest' and

the

> > learnings which followed from there.

> >

> > Swami expanded our understanding by sharing that in pure

absorption,

> > we experience love purely (with no fear) and then once we are out

of

> > that state and back in duality, it's love/fear again. He also

> > illuminated for us that it is possible to just LOVE with no

object.

> >

> > But it isn't an either/or, is it?

> >

> > My question is, is it possible for US to just LOVE with no object

in

> > duality? As I go deeper into the love of Divine Mother...spend

more

> > time with Her, contemplate her teachings, surrender to Her

abundant

> > love, do I change that ratio? So that, before Her effects in my

> > life, it's 50% love, 50% fear, but as I seek relationship with

Her,

> > it becomes more like 60% pure love, 40% fear, and keeps moving in

> > that direction?

> >

> > Perhaps more accurately: is it possible to become saturated in

LOVE

> > with no object while still living in duality? The image for me is

> > like a bird's nest (the 'I') placed in an ocean of perfectly still

> > water (Divine Mother's Love). The weave of the nest relaxes,

> > softens, expands outward and downward, is permeated by the water.

> > The design of the nest stays the same, but opens into the water,

so

> > that what is known is more water than nest. No fear of losing

> > anything, because it is all felt to be held in Her deep still

waters.

> >

> > With gratitude, Jennifer

>

Thank you so much, Swami, Vishweshwar, and Henny. I will contemplate

both Swami's wisdom, and the Nectar poem. I very much apporeciate

the opportunity to become more clear about this! Peace to you all,

Jennifer

, " henny_v_i " <henny_v_i wrote:

>

> " Jesus and Buddha and Chaitanya,

> they were all crazy with Your love.

> Hey Maa, when will I be so fortunate as

> to be able to mix with them?

> Heaven is a festival for lunatics.

> Just as is the guru, so are Her disciples.

> Who can understand this play of love?

> You are the one who causes everyone to become crazy with love.

> You are the epitome of craziness.

> Maa, You are so wealthy.

> Give me the blessing of insanity

> with love.

> I'm begging for Your love

> at the ocean of love.

> I am the servant of love,

> and I'm singing this song to You. "

>

> (The Nectar of Eternal Bliss, p.350)

>

>

> -- In , " inspectionconnection108 "

> <inspectionconnection108@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Jennifer and all: Please read and contemplate Swami's

> > response to Jennifer's questions on loving. She picked up a

thread

> > from earier discussions.

> > First I will post Swami's response, then, Jennifer's questions

below

> > his response.

> >

> > SWAMI " S COMMENTS

> >

> > Namaste Jennifer,

> >

> > I cannot describe a time when someone could contemplate the

> existence

> > of something and the absence of something simultaneously. In the

> same

> > way how can we contemplate loving an object and loving without an

> > object simultaneously? I believe our love is constantly shifting

> from

> > " with form " to " without form " .

> >

> > Far be it from me to ascribe (or even attempt to ascribe) any

> > percentage value as to how much time we spend with each. It is

> enough

> > to know that we go into samadhi and we come out.

> >

> > It is possible to have universal love for all even while existing

in

> > duality. Jesus showed it, Ramakrishna, Shree Maa, the Vedic

Rishis.

> >

> > This is our goal, even though it is very difficult to attain.

> >

> > ________

> > JENNIFER'S QUESTIONS

> > >

> > > Hello Friends, peace to you all, I have a few questions about

the

> > > discussion on love and fear that we had a few days back. I'm

> > > referring to the post, 'without fear, love cannot manifest' and

> the

> > > learnings which followed from there.

> > >

> > > Swami expanded our understanding by sharing that in pure

> absorption,

> > > we experience love purely (with no fear) and then once we are

out

> of

> > > that state and back in duality, it's love/fear again. He also

> > > illuminated for us that it is possible to just LOVE with no

> object.

> > >

> > > But it isn't an either/or, is it?

> > >

> > > My question is, is it possible for US to just LOVE with no

object

> in

> > > duality? As I go deeper into the love of Divine Mother...spend

> more

> > > time with Her, contemplate her teachings, surrender to Her

> abundant

> > > love, do I change that ratio? So that, before Her effects in my

> > > life, it's 50% love, 50% fear, but as I seek relationship with

> Her,

> > > it becomes more like 60% pure love, 40% fear, and keeps moving

in

> > > that direction?

> > >

> > > Perhaps more accurately: is it possible to become saturated in

> LOVE

> > > with no object while still living in duality? The image for me

is

> > > like a bird's nest (the 'I') placed in an ocean of perfectly

still

> > > water (Divine Mother's Love). The weave of the nest relaxes,

> > > softens, expands outward and downward, is permeated by the

water.

> > > The design of the nest stays the same, but opens into the

water,

> so

> > > that what is known is more water than nest. No fear of losing

> > > anything, because it is all felt to be held in Her deep still

> waters.

> > >

> > > With gratitude, Jennifer

> >

>