Aghora

, Vir Rawlley <redderred

wrote:

>

> Dear Mahahradanatha,

>

> Yes gentle sage, what you have said does indeed make sense;

thankyou.

>

> What should be my next step ? I LOVE KAALI

>

> Respectfully and gratefully,

>

> Vir

Dear Vir,

Now i don´t like to answer questions. I like to help people to become

able to find better answers on their own then they could before

listening to my ideas or information. This needs active participation

rather than passive perception.

Now since you asked so nice you deserve that i begin with an answer

from a real gentle sage; it was Sri Ramana Maharshi who said, after

he was watching a tame squirrel who attempted to flee from his cage:

Everybody wants to get out,

Again and Again

But Happiness is inside not out.

All the spiritual Teachings should remind us to retrace our steps

back to the primal source.

We do not need to acquire something new

we only have to give up our wrong Imaginations and useless Belongings

Instead of doing this we try to acquire something extraordinary and

mysterious because we believe that happiness is somwhere else.

This is the problem.

Before you can get an answer from me it is important that you

understand your own question.

Now what was it you asked me?

The next step? Whereto? is it a step backward, loosing an illusion

like Sri Ramana Maharshi said: a spiritual path is directed backwards?

or do you think reaching Kali is like a love affair or worldly gain,

a step forward to some other mysterious place or belonging?

and what is KAli? a map of the way or the destination or both? and

most interesting questions of all the 4 : why is she Digambari?

Mahahradanatha

Actually, he does mention 2 of his gurus: his senior guru maharaj

and his junior guru maharaj. But your are definitely right to say

that he did not belong to any sect or group.

He claimed that his senior guru maharaj was the historical

Dattatreya!

Amazing as it sounds, but that is his claim, and thats what makes

the books so interesting and controversial.

Could look it up for you but Im kind of busy, anybody else have the

quotes from the book?

, "mahahradanatha"

<mahahradanatha wrote:

>

> Dear Vir

> í only say that Aghor sampradaya is a differnt path from what

> Vimalananda taught, though he had gurus they where not from Aghor

> sampradaya that he calls himself aghori doesn´t mean that he

belongs

> to Aghor Sampradaya. His name alone shows this, aghor do not

> have ....ananda in their names.

> He never said he belongs to Aghor Sampradaya, he is a devotee of

> Tara, Aghors are Shaivas they follow a diffferent path.

>

> He himself never mentionend as far as i know who his gurus where

nor

> does svoboda,i think he doesn´t mention his Gurus or his

Sampradaya

> openly because he is opposed to the implications of an

identification

> with a traditional sampradaya which can indeed be very devastating.

>

> I only mentionend this for your benefit so that you do not seek

from

> aghor or nath sampradaya Gurus what they cannot give, but look in

> another direction. But if you prefer to associate Svoboda with

Aghor

> or Nath sampradaya i have no objections you have my blessing.

>

> Mahahradanatha

>

Thans for your reply though I didn´t read any of the books and could

have been mistaken about the details i am glad i was right: that he

(Vimalananda) had Gurus, but did not disclose their real identities

(maharaj is not a name but a honorary title) nor to what tradition

they belongend.

Like i wrote he is most certainly not an Aghor, the title of one of

the Books Aghora and that Vimalananda choose to call himself Aghori

is a little misleading.

Since Dattatreya is the Adi Guru (First Founder) of a lot if not all

Sadhu Sampradayas, a sadhu identifies his personal Guru with

Dattatreya.

It is said that Immortal Siddhas especially Dattatreya and the

NAvanaths do still physically appear today and met with mortals,

according to different stories these meetings happen more

frequently at certain pithas (Mount Girnar, Jwalamukhi) but also at

other places.

, "ckeniley2003"

<ckeniley2003 wrote:

>

> Actually, he does mention 2 of his gurus: his senior guru maharaj

> and his junior guru maharaj. But your are definitely right to say

> that he did not belong to any sect or group.

>

> He claimed that his senior guru maharaj was the historical

> Dattatreya!

>

> Amazing as it sounds, but that is his claim, and thats what makes

> the books so interesting and controversial.

>

> Could look it up for you but Im kind of busy, anybody else have the

> quotes from the book?

>

> , "mahahradanatha"

> <mahahradanatha@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vir

> > í only say that Aghor sampradaya is a differnt path from what

> > Vimalananda taught, though he had gurus they where not from Aghor

> > sampradaya that he calls himself aghori doesn´t mean that he

> belongs

> > to Aghor Sampradaya. His name alone shows this, aghor do not

> > have ....ananda in their names.

> > He never said he belongs to Aghor Sampradaya, he is a devotee of

> > Tara, Aghors are Shaivas they follow a diffferent path.

> >

> > He himself never mentionend as far as i know who his gurus where

> nor

> > does svoboda,i think he doesn´t mention his Gurus or his

> Sampradaya

> > openly because he is opposed to the implications of an

> identification

> > with a traditional sampradaya which can indeed be very

devastating.

> >

> > I only mentionend this for your benefit so that you do not seek

> from

> > aghor or nath sampradaya Gurus what they cannot give, but look

in

> > another direction. But if you prefer to associate Svoboda with

> Aghor

> > or Nath sampradaya i have no objections you have my blessing.

> >

> > Mahahradanatha

> >

>

Dearest Maharadanatha :-))

When I framed the question on what should be my next step, the theme of it was

the post we communicted in, the Aghora and Nath paths, and so I wishedd to know

what should be my next step to walk the Aghora and Nath paths.

You have however, it seems to me, ignored this context and brought

considerations to other aspects, which I believe are more relavant; certainly

more so when the discussion on Svaboda found me standing in the shoes you are

standing in now, and me in yours ;-) This is Kaali :-p with her tongue out.

The most interesting question as to why Kali is Digambari, immediately reminded

me of Krishna hiding the clothes of the Gopis as they bathed in the Jamuna. Now

I know this has Kundalini significances, and while I have no mastery of this, I

can imagine that bathing in the Ida channel the Lord takes away our

gunas/coverings so that nothing stands between us and we can enjoy life (simply

put).

Well I also did a search on "why is Kali digambari" an popped open a rather

interesting web-site http://www.greatdreams.com/anger.htm. My own feeling is

that she is freedom.

The next step is closer to Kaali. I always thought I had chosen her, but I feel

humbled to think she has choosen me. I am quite prepared to let her lead the

way (stated simply), and the only reason I am curious about Nath and Aghora is

because I think I too need to make an effort to hold her hand, because I think I

love her.

This is as best as I can answer, my Friend.

With love,

Vir

mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: --- In

, Vir Rawlley <redderred

wrote:

>

> Dear Mahahradanatha,

>

> Yes gentle sage, what you have said does indeed make sense;

thankyou.

>

> What should be my next step ? I LOVE KAALI

>

> Respectfully and gratefully,

>

> Vir

Dear Vir,

Now i don�t like to answer questions. I like to help people to become

able to find better answers on their own then they could before

listening to my ideas or information. This needs active participation

rather than passive perception.

Now since you asked so nice you deserve that i begin with an answer

from a real gentle sage; it was Sri Ramana Maharshi who said, after

he was watching a tame squirrel who attempted to flee from his cage:

Everybody wants to get out,

Again and Again

But Happiness is inside not out.

All the spiritual Teachings should remind us to retrace our steps

back to the primal source.

We do not need to acquire something new

we only have to give up our wrong Imaginations and useless Belongings

Instead of doing this we try to acquire something extraordinary and

mysterious because we believe that happiness is somwhere else.

This is the problem.

Before you can get an answer from me it is important that you

understand your own question.

Now what was it you asked me?

The next step? Whereto? is it a step backward, loosing an illusion

like Sri Ramana Maharshi said: a spiritual path is directed backwards?

or do you think reaching Kali is like a love affair or worldly gain,

a step forward to some other mysterious place or belonging?

and what is KAli? a map of the way or the destination or both? and

most interesting questions of all the 4 : why is she Digambari?

Mahahradanatha

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Dear Vir,

I don´t know if you can find with the NAth and Aghor what you are

looking for, like i wrote most are Shaivas, even if sometimes they

regard both Shiva/Shakti as of similar importance, none i know off

would say they are Shaktas except maybe some rare individuals.

Nowadays i don´t know of a nath teacher i can recommend it seems all

great naths are dead, like Shankar Maharaj, or Nityananda or shirdi

sai baba, gopinath ji, gajanan maharaj.

Mahahradanath

, Vir Rawlley <redderred

wrote:

>

> Dearest Maharadanatha :-))

>

> When I framed the question on what should be my next step, the

theme of it was the post we communicted in, the Aghora and Nath

paths, and so I wishedd to know what should be my next step to walk

the Aghora and Nath paths.

>

> You have however, it seems to me, ignored this context and brought

considerations to other aspects, which I believe are more relavant;

certainly more so when the discussion on Svaboda found me standing in

the shoes you are standing in now, and me in yours ;-) This is

Kaali :-p with her tongue out.

>

> The most interesting question as to why Kali is Digambari,

immediately reminded me of Krishna hiding the clothes of the Gopis as

they bathed in the Jamuna. Now I know this has Kundalini

significances, and while I have no mastery of this, I can imagine

that bathing in the Ida channel the Lord takes away our

gunas/coverings so that nothing stands between us and we can enjoy

life (simply put).

>

> Well I also did a search on "why is Kali digambari" an popped open

a rather interesting web-site http://www.greatdreams.com/anger.htm.

My own feeling is that she is freedom.

>

> The next step is closer to Kaali. I always thought I had chosen

her, but I feel humbled to think she has choosen me. I am quite

prepared to let her lead the way (stated simply), and the only reason

I am curious about Nath and Aghora is because I think I too need to

make an effort to hold her hand, because I think I love her.

>

> This is as best as I can answer, my Friend.

>

> With love,

>

> Vir

>

>

>

> mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: --- In

, Vir Rawlley <redderred@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mahahradanatha,

> >

> > Yes gentle sage, what you have said does indeed make sense;

> thankyou.

> >

> > What should be my next step ? I LOVE KAALI

> >

> > Respectfully and gratefully,

> >

> > Vir

>

> Dear Vir,

> Now i don�t like to answer questions. I like to help people to

become

> able to find better answers on their own then they could before

> listening to my ideas or information. This needs active

participation

> rather than passive perception.

>

> Now since you asked so nice you deserve that i begin with an

answer

> from a real gentle sage; it was Sri Ramana Maharshi who said,

after

> he was watching a tame squirrel who attempted to flee from his

cage:

>

> Everybody wants to get out,

> Again and Again

> But Happiness is inside not out.

> All the spiritual Teachings should remind us to retrace our steps

> back to the primal source.

> We do not need to acquire something new

> we only have to give up our wrong Imaginations and useless

Belongings

> Instead of doing this we try to acquire something extraordinary

and

> mysterious because we believe that happiness is somwhere else.

> This is the problem.

>

> Before you can get an answer from me it is important that you

> understand your own question.

> Now what was it you asked me?

> The next step? Whereto? is it a step backward, loosing an illusion

> like Sri Ramana Maharshi said: a spiritual path is directed

backwards?

> or do you think reaching Kali is like a love affair or worldly

gain,

> a step forward to some other mysterious place or belonging?

> and what is KAli? a map of the way or the destination or both? and

> most interesting questions of all the 4 : why is she Digambari?

>

> Mahahradanatha

>

>

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Dear Mahahradanatha,

Thank you my Friend for letting me know about the Aghora and Natha paths, and

also for your concern in not being able to recommend a good Teacher in either

tradition. You are most kind.

I should allow the Divine Mother to guide me, and see she has, through you :-))

Smiles,

Vir

mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: Dear Vir,

I don�t know if you can find with the NAth and Aghor what you are

looking for, like i wrote most are Shaivas, even if sometimes they

regard both Shiva/Shakti as of similar importance, none i know off

would say they are Shaktas except maybe some rare individuals.

Nowadays i don�t know of a nath teacher i can recommend it seems all

great naths are dead, like Shankar Maharaj, or Nityananda or shirdi

sai baba, gopinath ji, gajanan maharaj.

Mahahradanath

Ha!!!!!!!! Vir have eventually learn. I am abt to say : why dont you

let Devi decides for herself who should be the guru for you.

Intially you say : I surrender to HER then you go on saying : but

I like to have this guru and not the other. Why are you trying to

tell her what to do?

Just a note : all your messages including your email have been read

by Bhasurananda Natha himself. **** smiles ****

, Vir Rawlley <redderred

wrote:

>

> Dear Mahahradanatha,

>

> Thank you my Friend for letting me know about the Aghora and Natha

paths, and also for your concern in not being able to recommend a

good Teacher in either tradition. You are most kind.

>

> I should allow the Divine Mother to guide me, and see she has,

through you :-))

>

> Smiles,

>

> Vir

>

>

>

> mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote: Dear Vir,

> I don�t know if you can find with the NAth and Aghor what you

are

> looking for, like i wrote most are Shaivas, even if sometimes

they

> regard both Shiva/Shakti as of similar importance, none i know

off

> would say they are Shaktas except maybe some rare individuals.

>

> Nowadays i don�t know of a nath teacher i can recommend it

seems all

> great naths are dead, like Shankar Maharaj, or Nityananda or

shirdi

> sai baba, gopinath ji, gajanan maharaj.

>

> Mahahradanath

>

Thank you Nora :-)

Thank you Bhasurananda Natha :-)

Smiles :-))

NMadasamy <ashwini_puralasamy wrote: Ha!!!!!!!! Vir have

eventually learn. I am abt to say : why dont you

let Devi decides for herself who should be the guru for you.

Intially you say : I surrender to HER then you go on saying : but

I like to have this guru and not the other. Why are you trying to

tell her what to do?

Just a note : all your messages including your email have been read

by Bhasurananda Natha himself. **** smiles ****

Nowadays i don´t know of a nath teacher i can recommend it seems all

great naths are dead, like Shankar Maharaj, or Nityananda or shirdi

sai baba, gopinath ji, gajanan maharaj.

Mahahradanath

----Others don't give, aren't necessarily authorized to give initiation. Aghoris

supposedly had a schism a few years back and the Baba in Northern Cal says he's

the big chief. I doon't suppose it matter past making a connection with the

original lineage. Beyond that, it's not like something is going to make a

difference to the most advaita of all people - the Aghora.

Original Nath tradition (a Kaula one of Matsyendra) is still existing in

Maharashtra and

Himachal, though in minority. Most of common day nathas are gorakhnathis, these

are easily

found in Gorakhpur and many places. But i do not think there is much use to go

there.

A

, "mahahradanatha" <mahahradanatha

wrote:

>

> Dear Vir,

> I don´t know if you can find with the NAth and Aghor what you are

> looking for, like i wrote most are Shaivas, even if sometimes they

> regard both Shiva/Shakti as of similar importance, none i know off

> would say they are Shaktas except maybe some rare individuals.

>

> Nowadays i don´t know of a nath teacher i can recommend it seems all

> great naths are dead, like Shankar Maharaj, or Nityananda or shirdi

> sai baba, gopinath ji, gajanan maharaj.

>

> Mahahradanath

I agree, all this sectarian factionalism and fighting is of no

interest, a teacher is "functional" if he is an inspiration to

others, most of the teachers i mentionend didn´t even bother to be

very specific about their origin. I am shure there are great nath

and Aghor teachers around also today but i do not have the good

fortune to know one.

Mahahradanatha

, "Llundrub" <llundrub

wrote:

>

>

>

> Nowadays i don´t know of a nath teacher i can recommend it seems

all

> great naths are dead, like Shankar Maharaj, or Nityananda or shirdi

> sai baba, gopinath ji, gajanan maharaj.

>

> Mahahradanath

>

>

> ----Others don't give, aren't necessarily authorized to give

initiation. Aghoris supposedly had a schism a few years back and the

Baba in Northern Cal says he's the big chief. I doon't suppose it

matter past making a connection with the original lineage. Beyond

that, it's not like something is going to make a difference to the

most advaita of all people - the Aghora.

>

>

>

There are still so many great Naths left. They just aren't so public.

-

Llundrub

Sunday, April 09, 2006 8:26 AM

Re: Re: Aghora

Nowadays i don´t know of a nath teacher i can recommend it seems all

great naths are dead, like Shankar Maharaj, or Nityananda or shirdi

sai baba, gopinath ji, gajanan maharaj.

Mahahradanath

----Others don't give, aren't necessarily authorized to give initiation.

Aghoris supposedly had a schism a few years back and the Baba in Northern Cal

says he's the big chief. I doon't suppose it matter past making a connection

with the original lineage. Beyond that, it's not like something is going to

make a difference to the most advaita of all people - the Aghora.

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Dear Mahamuni,

My comment was only about my personal situation, that i cannot be of

any help to Vir, because the famous naths i heard of and those i

knew have entered Mahasamadhi, and sadly i haven´t been anywhere

near India for the last 20 years. Of course there must be still great

Naths around.

Mahahradanatha

, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni

wrote:

>

> There are still so many great Naths left. They just aren't so

public.

> -

> Llundrub

>

> Sunday, April 09, 2006 8:26 AM

> Re: Re: Aghora

>

>

>

>

> Nowadays i don´t know of a nath teacher i can recommend it seems

all

> great naths are dead, like Shankar Maharaj, or Nityananda or

shirdi

> sai baba, gopinath ji, gajanan maharaj.

>

> Mahahradanath

>

>

> ----Others don't give, aren't necessarily authorized to give

initiation. Aghoris supposedly had a schism a few years back and the

Baba in Northern Cal says he's the big chief. I doon't suppose it

matter past making a connection with the original lineage. Beyond

that, it's not like something is going to make a difference to the

most advaita of all people - the Aghora.

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