Two questions for Prabhu Richard

January 5, 2009

Dear Prabhu

I wonder WHY ??? the Katyani Purana (later a.k.a Katyani Tantra) has

not answered the 2 Queries raised by Mr Prabhu ......Rajiv...

Perhaps, the same Wall reached as I did , searching for Katyani

Tantra in the Indian Orientalist Libraries (checklists)of Rawlinson

(London), Maxmillian Muller (Berlin), Bibilo. Nationale (Paris)and in

Library of Congress (Wash.DC).

Ditto for key word Katyani Tantra, nor Katyani Purana for past 1500

years but an amassed of other Tantra Literatures in Sanskrit,

Bengali, Hindi, Urdu, Telegu and Konkani etc etc, turn up in

inscriptions on palmaraya leaves in scanned version, including Siddha

branch of Tantric.

Thanks !!! Comments welcome !

sacred-objects , Shaligram Shala

<shaligram8 wrote:

>

> Hare Krishna Prabhu Richard ji,

> Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga,

all glories to all the devotees of the Lord.

> Â

> Mahadev Richard, pl answer my one small querry about Rudrakshas, I

am sure with your vast expeirience and good knowlrdge of Shartras you

will be able to logically answer my question.

> Â

> The question is hypothetically ( I am assuming), If I wearÂ 8

Mukhi round, well developed, heavy, with clear Mukhs, energised as

per the Shastras with 8 seeds inside ( tested for 8 seeds)

> and if I wear 8 Mukhi again roundÂ well developed, heavy, with

clear Mukhs,Â NOT energised as per the Shastras withÂ 6 or 7 seeds

inside (again tested for 6 or 7 seedsinside)..

> Which Rudraksha will give me good results Mahadev. Sir, pl be

rational, logical and think prior giving your comments. I undersatnd

lots of 8 Mukhi though appear to be nicely formed but have 5 or 6 or

7 seeds inside. Notwithstanding that, which Rudraksha you would like

to recommend otheres or wear your self. Pl answer this Prabhu.

> Â

> My secondÂ question is

> Every body believes that Rudraksha beads when evoked rightly gives

very good energy and that is good for health, wealth bla bla.....

> Pl confirm in your opinion which are the parts of the Rudraksha

Bead are 'Energy Shrot " I mean the energy giver.. Whether it is seed

inside which gives energy which is channalised through Mukhs,

orÂ whether the Mukhs are the soul source of energyÂ Â and seeds

inside are immaterial ? Or in your opinion which part of the

Rudraksha is the Soul Energy giver ???

> Â

> Pl answer these two questions I am really waiting for your reply

Prabhu.

> Â

> I want to further add that as per Shiva Purana, the Rudrakhas which

are to be worn should be correctly abhimantrit and energised, then

only they will be fruitful to the mankind. When the Rudraksha

suppliers does'nt know correctÂ energisation process( and they

generate their own so called energised process), the Rudraksha bead

given by them will have no use, no power and it will just be a name

sake Rudraksha. So the Rudraksha once energised can only bring

spiritual enlightenment, peace and Bhakti in the minds of devotees.

Now if we ponder why at all energisation is required, and clearly

read the text of Shiva Purana and other holy texts we will come to

know that Rakshasas( Danavas)Â too were very ardent devotee of LORD

SHIVA. Like Ravan, Bhasmasur, Indrajeet and several othersÂ who by

virtue of their severe penance got the most powerful boons from Lord

Shiva which has no counteraction with any body including Lord Shiva

Himself. And then the puranas are

> the witness that these Danavas are killed by the incarnations of

Lord Vishnu and, Himself Lord Shiva and other devatas by " Chal "

trick. Otherwise no force in the entire Brahmand could kill them.

> So when all the Rudrakshas were given a associated diety or a

planet for example Dwi Mukhi is Ardh Nareshwar, Three Mukhi is Agni

Rudraksah etc. the Danavas too came ands wanted to have this mystical

bead given to them as well. Now Bhole Nath was so Bhole' (innocent)

that he decided to give these Rudrakshas beads to Danavas also the

Rudrakshas, but then other Devatas Gans intervened because they were

knowing that if the Rudrakshas were given to Danavas as well thet

will create a Havoc in theÂ Brahmand and whole mankind would be in

danger. So there comes the Badrakshas which has always one seed

inside and can have several Mukhs. These Badrakshas does not have

natural hole. They are generally very big in size as compared to

Rudrakshas. There outer surface is more rough as compared to the

Rudrakshas. These were given to Danavas and Danavas were convinced

that you have big body so you need big bead, these small Rudrakshas

will not do good to you, the

> Badrakshas were more : Katila " ( thorny) so this will have a

better energy transmission in your big bodies since the size of there

bead is big. The Danavas were 'Murkh " foolish and they took the

Badrakshas. It is said that even the Bhadrakshas could also be evoked

by ther correct energisation process, so to couter that as well the

Bhadrakshas were made in such a way that they can not be evoked even

by the coorect Energisation process as per the texts.

> And to avoid misuse of Rudrakshas, in Kal yug, the Rudrakshas too

are required to be evoked and they can be evoked only by the correct

procedure which is elaborate and requires several Kriyas to be done

on the Rudrakshas Beads.

> Â

> The irony is that in Kalyug, the man has become Danav that is

Rakshas and hence the Badrakshas are more suiting him.

> Â

> Prabhu Richard, I shall wait for the answers of my two questions

from you.

>

> I hope this will help,

> Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha

> I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His

devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,

> Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their

Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,

> Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,

> Shri Swayamvyakta-Shaligram-Silas Arpanam Astu,

> Thanks and Regards,

> Haribol,

> Rajiv Krishna Dasa,

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>

> --- On Sun, 4/1/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66

> Re: substitute for Eka Mukhi

> sacred-objects

> Sunday, 4 January, 2009, 1:35 PM

Fear Panditji,

>

> I was wondering about substitute for Eka Mukhi. It is said to be 12

> mukhi. But why? !+2=3 Jupiter. Why not 10 mukhi !+0=1 as substitute

> for Eka mukhi? By numerology it makes more sense. Actually,

according

> to numerology the only ones that make sense are 1 mukhi=Sun, 2

> mukhi=Moon, and 6 mukhi=Venus. All the others seem off. Like why

not 8

> (Saturn's number) mukhi for Saturn? What do you think? Y/s, Richard

>

> sacred-objects, " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > dear richardji

> >

> > kindly prefix ROUND and suffix ONLY to the 1 to 14 mukhi

rudraksha

> > that i deal.

> >

> > for that matter, in the absence and unaffordability of round ek

mukh

> > rudraksha, i have done my own research and over experience found

> > 12mukhi rudrakhsa as the best substitute or alternative to it,

though

> > it has no scriptural sanction and i publicly acknowledge that

more

> > than 90 percent of the total rudraksha that i sold till date are

only

> > 12 mukhis. when 13 and 14mukhi are more priced and have more

> > profits, why shall i sell only 12mukhi. it is because 12mukhi is

the

> > only rudraksha which has scripturally allocated lord sun (planet

sun)

> > as its lord and astrologically we can apply that directly to lord

sun.

> >

> > some rudraksha sellers allocate, out of convenience and easy

> > mathematical application, 1 to 9 mukhis as correlated to the nine

> > planets, nay, they repeat this sequential correlation from 10 to

18

> > again for the nine planets.

> >

> > as a seller we must do our homework well and be ready with all

> > answers to all possible queries a buyer ask like whether this is

> > endorsed or prohibited by an ancient scripture.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> >

> > sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown "

> > <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Panditji,

> > >

> > > It is commendable that you sell Rudraksha 1 mukhi to 14 mukhi

> > > according to the Puranas. And not others. That means you are

> > > specialized. Good service! Y/s, Richard

> > >

> > > sacred-objects, " panditarjun2004 "

> > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear richardji

> > > >

> > > > firslty, i never sold a gaurishankar bead since i did not

find

> > its

> > > > mention or substantiation in puranas. if others have these

> > > > references, my best wishes to them and i have nothing to say

> > negative

> > > > about them. but over the years, trijuti, chaturbrahma, pancha

> > > > parameshwar have started making appearance and then if we

apply

> > > > objective type answer, we may expect shanmukha rudraksha i.e.

six

> > > > rudrakshas joined together representing lord shanmuga or

> > kartikeya

> > > > soon by these sellers. if at a future date we find seven

> > rudrakshas

> > > > joined together, then we may search for that god which has

seven

> > > > faces so on and so forth. before others demanding on me to

> > comment

> > > > more on these rudraksha, let them be known that i never laid

my

> > hands

> > > > on any 2,3,4,5 or other rudrkashas joined together.

> > > >

> > > > secondly, for several years the typical fake ek mukh

rudraksha

> > sold

> > > > everywhere in india was the one having a serpant, a trident,

a

> > > > shivling and some have even the bull or nandi. those years

round

> > ek

> > > > mukh rudraksha was not at all available and i too failed to

get

> > one

> > > > despite best approach to all rudraksha suppliers in nepal.

later

> > > > years, one famous trusted wholeseller from nepal posted few

> > > > photographs of round ek mukh rudraksha in his website and it

is

> > since

> > > > then that these NATURALLY FORMED ONE LINE round ek mukh

rudraksha

> > > > were being made available by most wholesellers from nepal.

today

> > we

> > > > are seeing various round ek mukh rudraksha containg various

> > symbols

> > > > and designs and dieties made available by the best known

> > suppliers.

> > > > here too, my take is simple and that i sell only those round

ek

> > mukh

> > > > rudraksh only on the basis of a naturally formed one single

line

> > from

> > > > top to bottom.

> > > >

> > > > then we have been seeing various other rudrakshas of ganesh,

nag

> > and

> > > > other shapes. then we are also seeing various om shaped

> > rudraksha

> > > > too. then we also heard about the nirakar or rudraksha with

no

> > lines

> > > > at all i.e. zero mukh. then the entire country is already

> > flooded

> > > > with the crescent shaped natural as well as synthetic ekmukh

> > > > rudraksha which is finding a place in almsot all houses in

india.

> > > >

> > > > with such diverse choices of shapes, designs, symbols and all

> > sorts

> > > > of rudraksha available, it is the public who are the gods or

> > judges

> > > > to get what they want and in this vast market of rudrkshas of

> > several

> > > > designs, shapes, symbols, dieties and other extra portions on

the

> > > > rudraksha made available by all leading suppliers, i am a

tiny

> > fish

> > > > in this rudraksha market who sell only round 1 to 14mukh

> > rudrakshas

> > > > that too purely on the basis of naturally formed external

lines

> > and

> > > > hence have no knowledge as other have pointed out about any

> > rudraksha

> > > > other than the 1 to 14 round nepalese.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > > >

> > > > sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown "

> > > > <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you hear about the bogus puja objects dealers? Surely

> > someone

> > > > must

> > > > > have a 2,009 mukhi - special for THIS year. Maybe more!?

Y/s,

> > > > Richard

> > > > >

> > > > > sacred-objects, " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear friend

> > > > > >

> > > > > > perhaps i shall reiterate one more time to all members

that i

> > > > sell

> > > > > > only one to fourteen mukh rudraksha. it is others (not

me)

> > who

> > > > sell

> > > > > > any number of mukhis rudraksha from zero to anymukh and

onus

> > is

> > > > on

> > > > > > them to substantiate them. similarly onus is on those

> > nirakar

> > > > bead

> > > > > > sellers to show no single seed inside in their xray

theories.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in view of the above, please do not ask me to throw light

on

> > your

> > > > way

> > > > > > of selling seed based rudraksha like you repeatedly said

that

> > > > your ek

> > > > > > mukhi has only one seed in it. yes, i do tell my

customers

> > about

> > > > the

> > > > > > futility of seed theory and you are at liberty to do your

own

> > way

> > > > and

> > > > > > so am i.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > since i never laid my hands on a rudraksha higher than

> > 14mukhi it

> > > > is

> > > > > > for those who sell upto 28 and some even upto 32mukh to

> > > > substatiate

> > > > > > their seeds or validation and am least bothered. it is in

> > this

> > > > > > context that i commented that such suppliers are capable

of

> > > > selling

> > > > > > even higher mukhis upto 100 mukhis.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sometime ago some sellers were selling gaurishankar which

is

> > two

> > > > > > rudrakshas joined together. later they started selling

> > gauripath

> > > > or

> > > > > > trijuti where three rudrakshas are joined. then i

commented

> > that

> > > > > > soon you would find chaturbrahma and panchaparameshwar

and lo

> > > > these

> > > > > > suppliers are selling these four and five beads together.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so, you shall direct your queries to those people who

sell

> > > > 2,3,4,5 or

> > > > > > higher rudrakshas joined together or 28, 32 or even

higher

> > mukhi

> > > > > > sellers and not me, for my service is limited only to 1

to 14.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala

> > > > > > <shaligram8@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare Krishna Prabhu,

> > > > > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best

wishes,

> > all

> > > > > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the

> > devotees

> > > > of

> > > > > > the Lord.

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > > > > Under no circumstances the seeds can come at the centre

and

> > > > > > obstract the path of natural hole. They are held with in

the

> > bead

> > > > > > naturally. Pl exlain how you can insert the seeds and

remove

> > the

> > > > > > seeds without breaking the Rudraksha bead. I am sure

quite a

> > few

> > > > > > members like me would be interested in seeing this art.

Also

> > from

> > > > > > where you have learnt this art. What about 100 mukhi

> > rudraksha

> > > > you

> > > > > > were claiming to make ??? Your bank account details to

> > deposit

> > > > amount

> > > > > > for natural 100 mukhi Rudraksha Prabhu???

> > > > > > > Pl reply all this querries ????Ã‚Â or tender a public

> > appology

> > > > for

> > > > > > talking nonsense in this forum.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope this will help,

> > > > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha

> > > > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord

and

> > His

> > > > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,

> > > > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of

Their

> > > > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,

> > > > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,

> > > > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu,

> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards,

> > > > > > > Haribol,

> > > > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa,

> > > > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM

> > > > > > > 00 91 9322646421

> > > > > > > 00 91 9322646420

> > > > > > > 0091 22 24459616

> > > > > > > salagram8@

> > > > > > > shaligram8@

> > > > > > > Address

> > > > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,

> > > > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg,

> > > > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037

> > > > > > > Maharashtra (India )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >

> > > > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali

Origin

> > > > > > Rudrakshas

> > > > > > > sacred-objects

> > > > > > > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 8:43 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear phadkeji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > your observations are valued and yes the seeds are

supposed

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the locules under the cleft. however, many times i have

> > > > observed in

> > > > > > > 12, 13 and 14mukhi large sized beads that a couple of

beads

> > > > come in

> > > > > > > the centre instead of tightly holding or stuck inside

the

> > > > locules

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > you mentioned. while making gold pendants, a seed or

two

> > that

> > > > are

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the middle and obstructing the passage come out or

gently

> > > > removed

> > > > > > > using a needle. hence i opined that seeds can be

removed

> > and

> > > > > > > inserted.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i rest my case as i never sell rudraksha on the basis

of

> > seeds

> > > > and

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > interested only in the naturally formed mukhis or lines.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar

> > phadke

> > > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Arjuna ji,

> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > > > > I do not agree with you regarding either insertion or

> > removal

> > > > of

> > > > > > > rudraksha seeds.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â It is not possible either to

insert or

> > > > remove

> > > > > > > seeds from rudraksha, keeping the bead intact.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

Seeds

> > can be

> > > > > > removed

> > > > > > > only after breaking the bead.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Rudraksha seeds

> > > > > > areÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â situatedÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â in

> > > > > > > locules.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â These locules are under the cleft or

> > mukhi.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > One

> > > > > > locule

> > > > > > > for each cleft as far as Elaeocarpus angustifolius is

> > > > concerned,

> > > > > > i.e.

> > > > > > > Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Only in case of

oval

> > > > Haridwar

> > > > > > > rudraksha whether one mukhi, two mukhi or three mukhi,

> > there is

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > sigle locule and one seed in it.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â One can not

insert

> > seeds

> > > > from

> > > > > > > outside in rudraksha locules.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â In Nepal or

Indonesian

> > > > rudraksha

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > all locules develop seeds especially higher mukhi

> > beads.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â In

> > > > > > higher

> > > > > > > mukhi beads many times clefts or mukhi are very close

to

> > each

> > > > > > other,

> > > > > > > rarely two clefts share common wall. In such cases

there

> > are no

> > > > > > seeds

> > > > > > > in a perticular locule and locule is also very poorly

> > formed

> > > > like a

> > > > > > > thin slit.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â It is

> > > > > > > > very difficult to interprete rudraksha X-

ray.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â If

> > customer

> > > > > > > insists to have rudraksha X-ray showing seeds equal to

> > mukhi

> > > > then

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > has to take only three mukhi to 6 mukhi at the most 7

mukhi

> > > > > > > rudraksha.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â I have personally noticed that even

in 5

> > mukhi

> > > > bead

> > > > > > > sometimes seeds are not well developed and one or two

> > locules

> > > > are

> > > > > > > slitformed and naturally empty.

> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes.

> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004

> > <panditarjun2004@ ...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>

> > > > > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali

> > Origin

> > > > > > > Rudrakshas

> > > > > > > > sacred-objects

> > > > > > > > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 6:20 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear oleji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > your concluding observation is true and ordained by

the

> > > > > > scriptures

> > > > > > > > that the scriptures talk only of faces or lines on

the

> > outer

> > > > > > > surface.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i can easily demonstrate how seeds can be removed

from a

> > > > > > rudraksha

> > > > > > > > and also seeds can be put into a rudrakhsa. if one

were

> > to

> > > > > > blindly

> > > > > > > > count the seeds within, lo, you can find a zero seed

> > nirakar

> > > > > > > > rudraksha as well 100 seeds within a 14mukhi

rudraksha

> > and

> > > > sell

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > a 100mukhi just because it has 100 seeds within. here

the

> > > > > > customers

> > > > > > > > shall care a damn for the external lines which are

fewer

> > in

> > > > > > number

> > > > > > > > and shall put weightage only on the inserted extra

seeds.

> > the

> > > > > > > > process is made explicitly simpler since seed based

> > suppliers

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > SUFFICIENTLY NATURALLY FORMED LARGE HOLE in all their

> > > > rudrakshas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the bottomline is simple. i sell rudraksha only on

the

> > basis

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > way a rudraksha to be identified as ordained by ALL

> > > > scriptures.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if others wish to sell on new theories of some

invisible

> > > > things

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > subjecting the holy gods under a radiation test, they

are

> > at

> > > > > > > liberty

> > > > > > > > to do so. the problem here is that they shall not try

to

> > > > paint

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > shastras in poor light and those selling rudraksha

only

> > based

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > shastra ordained identification rules as primitive

and

> > > > outdated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > anyway, it is all a matter of faith that the

rudraksha

> > itself

> > > > > > > > represent lord shiva and is treated as lord shiva and

it

> > is

> > > > never

> > > > > > > > sold as a commodity. those who treat it as a

commodity

> > sell

> > > > it as

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > commodity with certificates, tests, et all. an image

of

> > god

> > > > is

> > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > as god and is not sold as a commodity. its value lies

in

> > the

> > > > > > faith

> > > > > > > > that it is god and similarly rudraksha which are

> > botanical

> > > > seeds

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > bought not as vegetables that commodity sellers sell

but

> > > > because

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > treating them as divine.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > lastly, your finding comfort in using the rudraksha

> > powder

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > rudraksha oil as holy and divine is based on the

logic

> > that

> > > > it is

> > > > > > > > extracted not from live rudraksha but from naturally

> > dried,

> > > > dead,

> > > > > > > > bursted, broken, exposed rudraksha and or its seeds.

for

> > > > those

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > do treat rudraksha as a commodity, this theory sounds

> > logical

> > > > but

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > those who rever rudraksha as god like me, it is

simply

> > > > > > unimaginable

> > > > > > > > for applying such dried, dead, bursted, broken forms

of

> > > > rudraksha

> > > > > > > > crushed and beaten to produce some usable commodity

as

> > oil

> > > > and

> > > > > > > powder.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the bottomline is very simple. here are two types of

> > sellers

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > rudraksha. one those who treat it as god. other who

treat

> > it

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > > commodity. you heard stories of how theists find god

in

> > > > stones

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > athiests find stones just as stones.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if members are sour at reading these two different

ways

> > of

> > > > > > treating

> > > > > > > > and selling rudraksha, i would rest my case under

those

> > who

> > > > treat

> > > > > > > > rudraksha as god and sell them as god embodiments. if

> > others

> > > > sell

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > as perishable commodity, they are at liberty to do so.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup

> > > > <alstrup@ >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rajiv Krishna Dasa,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for providing the information

about

> > how

> > > > > > > > medicine is made from naturally dried seeds of these

> > > > Himalayan

> > > > > > > beads,

> > > > > > > > this was very comforting to know.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > These are the following available references from

> > Shastra*

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > hole in Rudrakshas:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Shiva Purana Chapter 25, Verse 23:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " That which has a natural hole from end to end is

the

> > most

> > > > > > > > excellent; that which is bored through by human

effort is

> > the

> > > > > > > > middling one. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jabalopanishad

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " If

> > > > > > > > > rudraksha has a natural hole at the appropriate

place

> > then

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > best.

> > > > > > > > > If the hold is made by force then it is medium

quality

> > > > > > rudraksha. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Srimad Devi Bhagavatam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chapter 7, 1-4.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Those Rudraksha that have their holes by nature

running

> > > > through

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > through are best; and those that have have their

holes

> > > > pierces by

> > > > > > > men

> > > > > > > > are middling. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > * These verses translated by KN Seetha, Power of

> > Rudraksha

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > expanded Edition

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > > is my own limited personal experience that in some

> > beads

> > > > you

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > use a lot of force (or patience) to carefully get

the

> > > > natural

> > > > > > > stalk

> > > > > > > > like material out from

> > > > > > > > > the centre of the bead, which in some cases could

> > include

> > > > > > > > > drilling with a machine. You can drill with a

toothpick

> > or

> > > > > > > needle,

> > > > > > > > or a drill machine. The scriptural statement " made by

> > force "

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > definitely a very

> > > > > > > > > broad term which would allow careful drilling.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also in 2006 I was told

> > > > > > > > > wholeseller/ retailer Mukunda Khatiwada of Nepa

> > Rudraksha

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Kathmandu

> > > > > > > > > that most 4, 5 and 6 Mukhi Nepali beads have strong

> > seal on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > bottom which

> > > > > > > > > require drill machine. Can anyone confirm this?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Again again, the point is that Shastra never talk

about

> > > > seeds

> > > > > > > > ANYWHERE, they always refer to the number of mukhi

lines

> > to

> > > > > > > determine

> > > > > > > > what is the power of the bead, so this notion of

equal

> > > > > > seeds/mukhi

> > > > > > > > lines is not supported by Shastra.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Y/S, Ole

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > Shaligram Shala <shaligram8@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > sacred-objects

> > > > > > > > > Thursday, 1 January, 2009 5:57:52

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Natural hole in

> > Nepali

> > > > Origin

> > > > > > > > Rudrakshas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Members,

> > > > > > > > > Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri

Guru

> > and

> > > > > > > Gauranga,

> > > > > > > > all glories to all the devotees of the Lord.

> > > > > > > > > I wanted to finish on to this discussion, but just

new

> > > > topics

> > > > > > > keep

> > > > > > > > coming and confusions are created because of

ignorance

> > and no

> > > > > > > > knowledge on the subject. But trying to prove

> > > > > > > > > some how or the other that one is right with

illogical

> > > > thought

> > > > > > > > process.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The Nepali bead Rudraksha has a internal structure

such

> > > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > centre part inside the bead is weak and can easily be

> > pierced

> > > > > > thro

> > > > > > > > the wire WITHOUT DRILLING. The seeds are towards the

> > middle

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > towards the periphery on each bead and they dont come

on

> > the

> > > > way

> > > > > > > > under any circumstances while piercing the bead for

> > capping

> > > > thro

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > centre.

> > > > > > > > > Yes if the bead is deformed then the seeds can come

on

> > the

> > > > way.

> > > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > by experience any person can found out whether the

bead

> > is

> > > > well

> > > > > > > > formed or not and reject those beads which are liable

to

> > have

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > problem. But ofcourse all these rejected beads are

sold

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > > > lesser

> > > > > > > > price so few Suppliers are attracted to it to

generate

> > more

> > > > > > profits.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Secondly I want to ask a simple uestion from the

> > members

> > > > that

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > the energy Srot ( energy part) in any Rudrakshas. I

mean

> > > > whether

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is The SEEDS or the MUKHS ? Pl answer this question

> > > > rartionally.

> > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > my view it is seeds and not Mukhs as Mukhs are merely

the

> > > > > > channels

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > take the energy given by the seeds. So the seeds have

to

> > > > equal

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > complete as per the Mukhs or not??? So if you are

wearing

> > a

> > > > bead

> > > > > > > > which is not tested for

> > > > > > > > > same no. of seeds vis a vis Mukhs, then you will

not

> > get

> > > > the

> > > > > > > effect

> > > > > > > > of that Mukhi bead.

> > > > > > > > > It is amply clear that several well developed beads

too

> > > > have

> > > > > > > lesser

> > > > > > > > seeds than Mukhs. But will take that bead and assume

that

> > > > that is

> > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > 8 Mukhi when the seeds inside are 6 or 7. Do you

think

> > that

> > > > such

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > bead will give you same effect as a bead with 8 seeds

and

> > 8

> > > > > > > > Mukhs ??? So pl ponder on this. In my view you should

go

> > for

> > > > well

> > > > > > > > tested beads than to believe suppliers who actually

> > > > themselves

> > > > > > > > does'nt know what they are giving to you, in that how

> > many

> > > > seeds

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > damaged due to DRILLING and making you wear injured

GOD

> > who

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > actually curse you then to bless you. So be careful

and

> > be

> > > > > > rational.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now lastly one gentleman has assumed that normal

> > Rudrakshas

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > their seeds are crushed to make powder or things like

> > that.

> > > > Does

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > really know the procedure of making powder and other

> > things

> > > > out

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Rudrakshas ??? or firing like a miss guided, ill

informed

> > > > > > > > > missile which is directionless and does't know what

is

> > head

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > tail and ultimately gets blasted with the same

missile

> > > > himself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For the knowledge of members the Rudraksha powder

or

> > other

> > > > > > > > products are made from the natural dried up seeds.

> > Normally

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > seeds are slightly wet inside the bead. In the

interior

> > of

> > > > > > > HIMALAYAS

> > > > > > > > there are several places which are not inhabitated by

the

> > > > humans

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > there also are several trees of Rudrakshas. There

beads

> > > > > > especially

> > > > > > > > the lower Mukhs like 3 Mukjhi, 4 Mukhi and 5 Mukhi 6

> > Mukhis

> > > > are

> > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > there only higher mukhs are taken due to weight

> > constraint.

> > > > These

> > > > > > > > Rudrakshas dries up naturally and their Mukhs opens

up

> > > > naturally

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > the dried seeds comes out. Now these seeds are

collected

> > for

> > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > the Rudrakshas products.

> > > > > > > > > I want to further submit that for making Rudrakshas

> > beads

> > > > > > > products

> > > > > > > > the wet bead can never be used, it is only naturally

> > dried

> > > > beads

> > > > > > > > which can be used.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope this clarifies the doubt which is created by

> > > > > > knwledgeless

> > > > > > > > suppliers.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hereby again reitreate and caution Rudrakshas

lovers

> > that

> > > > pl

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > beware of suppliers which deal in low quality beads

and

> > give

> > > > > > > damaged

> > > > > > > > beads to the devotees and sell Rs. 2000 crippled so

> > called

> > > > one

> > > > > > > mukhi

> > > > > > > > with 4 or 5 seeds inside for a Lakhs and cheat the

> > devotees

> > > > by

> > > > > > self

> > > > > > > > styled so called energisation of beads for their own

> > benefit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope this will help,

> > > > > > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha

> > > > > > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the

Lord

> > and

> > > > His

> > > > > > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,

> > > > > > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service

of

> > Their

> > > > > > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,

> > > > > > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,

> > > > > > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu,

> > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Haribol,

> > > > > > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa,

> > > > > > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM

> > > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646421

> > > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646420

> > > > > > > > > 0091 22 24459616

> > > > > > > > > salagram8

> > > > > > > > > shaligram8

> > > > > > > > > Address

> > > > > > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,

> > > > > > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg,

> > > > > > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037

> > > > > > > > > Maharashtra (India )

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 31/12/08, panditarjun2004

<panditarjun2004@

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >

> > > > > > > > > Re: Natural hole in

Nepali

> > Origin

> > > > > > > > Rudrakshas

> > > > > > > > > sacred-objects

> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 10:02 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear friends

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > very few members like you wish to discuss on the

> > subject

> > > > > > > rudraksha

> > > > > > > > > whereas few have one and only objective of

criticising

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > > suppliers in their oneupmanship. members are all

> > > > intelligent

> > > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > > to understand the validity of xray test and how

they

> > find

> > > > and

> > > > > > > count

> > > > > > > > > 21 seeds in an xray.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > all rudraksha buyers and suppliers are aware of

several

> > > > mukhis

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > nepalese rudraksha especially highers having their

top

> > > > portion

> > > > > > > > > closed. all rudraksha wholesellers from nepal as

well

> > as

> > > > these

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > people are aware of this but just to criticise me

they

> > are

> > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > bold certificates to themselves that all their

> > rudraksha

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > holes and that their rejected rudraksha are bought

by

> > all

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > > suppliers. they are conveniently forgetting that

> > > > shivapurana

> > > > > > > > > describes rudraksha with a hole bored through human

> > effort

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > recommended as middling for wearing and to get

> > benefits. it

> > > > is

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > bold sacrilege on part of these people to say that

> > humanly

> > > > > > holed

> > > > > > > > > rudraksha are like damaging and putting a hole in

the

> > > > forehead

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > when shivapurana has mentioned and approved of it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > it is the height of hypocricy and false

> > selfglorification

> > > > > > > > > certificates to themselves that they dont drill

holes

> > in

> > > > > > > rudraksha,

> > > > > > > > > because these same people are selling rudraksha

powder

> > and

> > > > > > > > rudraksha

> > > > > > > > > oil and i have seen them physically selling these

> > rudraksha

> > > > > > > powder

> > > > > > > > > and oil in exhibitions in various cities. going by

> > their

> > > > latest

> > > > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > of drilling a hole in forehead and damaging the

god, it

> > is

> > > > > > common

> > > > > > > > > sense for any sane member to imagine how many

> > rudrakshas

> > > > these

> > > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > have killed, crushed, grounded, pounded, beaten and

> > > > extracted

> > > > > > oil

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > powder from them. may be these people have double

talk

> > to

> > > > say

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > drilling a hole is damaging and holing the god

while

> > > > crushing

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > killing and making it into an altogether new

product

> > like

> > > > > > powder

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > oil is not killing the god.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Ole

Alstrup

> > > > <alstrup@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bottom line here is that Shastra says you CAN

drill

> > > > through

> > > > > > > beads

> > > > > > > > > which has no natural hole, (Shiva Purana, Rudraksha

> > > > > > > Jabalopanishad)

> > > > > > > > > so there is no valid argument against this at

all !!

> > Unless

> > > > > > > perhaps

> > > > > > > > > you damage the bead in some gross way... About X-

rays

> > is

> > > > more

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > philosophical question. There are cosmic, natural

and

> > > > manmade

> > > > > > > rays

> > > > > > > > > everywhere. I dont suspect that xrays would harm

the

> > power

> > > > of a

> > > > > > > > bead

> > > > > > > > > at all. Since shastra give no advice about checking

> > beads

> > > > > > > > internally

> > > > > > > > > for matching number of internal seeds with lines,

but

> > only

> > > > > > count

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lines, I am not so concerned about this, unless one

> > > > checking

> > > > > > rare

> > > > > > > > > beads which could be fake. However, to verify the

> > THEORY

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > genuine

> > > > > > > > > beads ALWAYS have SAME number of SEEDS inside as

LINES

> > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > PROVEN!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year to All!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > bala_songyi <balasongyi@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects

> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008 10:48:23

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Natural hole in

Nepali

> > > > Origin

> > > > > > > > > Rudrakshas

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs

> > > > > > > > > > Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ???

ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°

> > > > > > interesting

> > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â°

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha

via X-

> > > > RAYS ???

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due

to

> > > > damaged

> > > > > > > > > > nuclearation

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > any comments ::::::

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects,

Shaligram

> > Shala

> > > > > > > > > > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my

best

> > > > wishes,

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to

all

> > the

> > > > > > > devotees

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the Lord.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have

> > aÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > > > Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ NATURAL

> > > > > > > > HOLEÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

> > > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8

Mukhi

> > or 9

> > > > > > Mukhi

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl

include

> > > > > > thoseÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢

> > > > > > > ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

> > > > > > > > Mukhs

> > > > > > > > > > also which I have missed.

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

> > > > > > > > > > > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we

> > suspect

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > naturally the wire would not go inside. But

> > unfortunately

> > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then

> > drill

> > > > the

> > > > > > > hole

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > them mercilessly and sell them as injured God.

> > > > > > > > > > > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your

> > forehead

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > feeling

> > > > > > > > > > good about it and assuming that drilled out

damaged

> > bead

> > > > will

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > to you !!! Good Theory !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds

can

> > be

> > > > > > > damaged,

> > > > > > > > > > very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally

> > something

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > forced

> > > > > > > > > > inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets

damaged

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Rudraksha

> > > > > > > > > > Supplier.

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

> > > > > > > > > > > I think this action is worse than selling so

called

> > Eka

> > > > > > Mukhi

> > > > > > > > > > crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds

inside

> > and

> > > > only

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > Mukh

> > > > > > > > > > seen from the surface.

> > > > > > > > > > > My self, my father and other my relatives who

are

> > > > dealing

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally

amused

> > like I

> > > > > > > > gotÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

> > > > > > > > > amused

> > > > > > > > > > reading the mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > No doubtÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢

â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ his Rudrakshas

> > suppliers

> > > > are

> > > > > > world class

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > best rejected beads in the world....

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

> > > > > > > > > > > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called

Eka

> > > > Mukhi

> > > > > > > wioth

> > > > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram. com

for

> > the

> > > > views

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > and decide whether they would like to wear such

Eka

> > Mukhi

> > > > > > > > > Rudrakshas

> > > > > > > > > > in their life.. I am forwarding the link for easy

> > viewing:

> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.shaligra m.com/rudraksha/ 1mukhi.php

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope this will help,

> > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha

> > > > > > > > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of

the

> > Lord

> > > > and

> > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day,

> > > > > > > > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the

service

> > of

> > > > Their

> > > > > > > > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram,

> > > > > > > > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu,

> > > > > > > > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam

Astu,

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Haribol,

> > > > > > > > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa,

> > > > > > > > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM

> > > > > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646421

> > > > > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646420

> > > > > > > > > > > 0091 22 24459616

> > > > > > > > > > > salagram8@ .

> > > > > > > > > > > shaligram8@ ..

> > > > > > > > > > > Address

> > > > > > > > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate,

> > > > > > > > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg,

> > > > > > > > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai

400037

> > > > > > > > > > > Maharashtra (India )

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004

> > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ....>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi

gol

> > dana

> > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects

> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your response and to observation of

all

> > > > members

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi

> > rudrakhsa

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > rarest.

> > > > > > > > > > > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly

> > pear

> > > > shaped

> > > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > > mukhi

> > > > > > > > > > > rudraksha too is rare.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > another issue on which i request your response

is

> > > > whether

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole.

shivpurana

> > states

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > those

> > > > > > > > > > > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one

end to

> > > > other

> > > > > > end

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > most excellent and that those rudraksha which

are

> > bored

> > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > human

> > > > > > > > > > > efforts are middling. recently some members

went

> > > > overboard

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > declaring or certifying as if they are the best

> > judges

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > > rudraksha

> > > > > > > > > > > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL

HOLE,

> > nay,

> > > > > > rather

> > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > were amused and found funny for me being a

> > rudraksha

> > > > seller

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > unaware of it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very

> > critical

> > > > > > > members,

> > > > > > > > > > > myself, any other human or any other machine

> > remains

> > > > the

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > following:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha

> > must

> > > > have a

> > > > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > > hole.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha,

especially

> > the

> > > > small

> > > > > > > > sized

> > > > > > > > > > > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end

to

> > other

> > > > end.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14

mukhi

> > from

> > > > nepal

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > have a natural hole from one end to another end

and

> > > > most

> > > > > > (if

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > all)

> > > > > > > > > > > of them have the top portion closed.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > can you kindly give your comments on the above.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . . com,

> > > > chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > phadke

> > > > > > > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢

ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢

ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > > > Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal

> > > > > > beadÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢

> > > > > > > ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã¢

â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

> > > > > > > > of my

> > > > > > > > > collection

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the

> > peduncle

> > > > > > region)

> > > > > > > > > > similar

> > > > > > > > > > > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal

> > > > > > bead.ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢

Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â¦

> > > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

The

> > > > > > > > 2 mukhi

> > > > > > > > > Nepal

> > > > > > > > > > bead

> > > > > > > > > > > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4,

5

> > or 6

> > > > > > > > > mukhi.ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢

ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢

ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > > > Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

> > > > > > > > > > The 2

> > > > > > > > > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square and

> > > > > > > oblong.ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢

> > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã¢

â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

> > > > > > > > > Pear

> > > > > > > > > > shaped

> > > > > > > > > > > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢

ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢

ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > > > Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

> > > > > > > > > > > > With best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢

ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢

ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > > > Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004

> > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-

mukhi

> > gol

> > > > dana

> > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a

perfectly

> > > > round

> > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > mukhi

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly

> > upload

> > > > a

> > > > > > > photo

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > in the group if you have.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects,

> > > > chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > phadke

> > > > > > > > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ole,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢

â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢

> > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢

> > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > > > Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢

â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢

> > ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢

> > > > > > > ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã¢

â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have

> > > > > > > inÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢

â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢

> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢

â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > > > Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢

â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢

> > > > > > ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ my

> > > > > > > > > > collection

> > > > > > > > > > > > isÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢

â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢

> > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢

> > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > > > Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢

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> > ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢

> > > > > > > ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã¢

â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ similar

to giant

> > 3

> > > > > > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha

> > > > > > > > > i.e.. pear

> > > > > > > > > > shaped

> > > > > > > > > > > bead.ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢

â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢

> > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢

> > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢

> > > > > > Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢

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> > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ'Ã¢

â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡

> > > > > > > > > > > > The other roundÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢

â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢

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> > > > > > > > mukhi Nepal bead I had

> > > > > > > > > seen was

> > > > > > > > > > similar to

> > > > > > > > > > > > round 4 mukhi regular grade

> > bead.ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ >

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-

mukhi

> > gol

> > > > dana

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos,

> > certain

> > > > beads

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > appear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > round from one side, besides top and

bottom.

> > Some

> > > > beads

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > roundish than others. How round do you want

it?

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > really round beads above 12 mukhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ .

> > > > > > com, " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is correct that round

dvi

> > mukh

> > > > > > > rudraksha

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > nepal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as rare as gol ek mukhi rudraksha from

> > nepal.

> > > > i

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaggerating if i say that round two

mukhi

> > > > rudrakhsa

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > rarer

> > > > > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > round one mukhi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could get only small sized

> > genuine

> > > > > > nepalese

> > > > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > > > mukh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rudraksha and am not yet fortunate to lay

my

> > > > hands on

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > round

> > > > > > > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mukhi rudraksha from nepal.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if any rudraksha sellers are having round

two

> > > > mukhi

> > > > > > > > > rudraksha

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them, they are requested to kindly share

that

> > > > > > > photograph

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as i appreciate publicly that it is much

> > rarer

> > > > than

> > > > > > > round

> > > > > > > > > ek

> > > > > > > > > > > > mukhi so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > much so that i failed to get such round

two

> > mukhi

> > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > past

> > > > > > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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January 7, 2009

Prabhu Rajiv Krishna Dasa

Jaya Siyaa Raam

I read your mail with a great interest. By the way where have you

read this story of Badraaksh? I have never read this story anywhere.

I would like to read it in detail.

Please Prabu, give the reference.

Thanks

With regards

Sushma