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Sai Ram. L.T. Salian,

Reading the e-mails on this topic, I was thinking the EXACTLY the same

thing...but could not express it as well as you have.

 

I have always been a vegetarian (because my parents brought me up this way) and

have lived with non-vegetarian roommates and till recently my husband (who

has now become vegetarian). I have had to, often, think about this topic

Vegeterianism v/s Non Vegeterianism and my views have matched yours, 100%.

Thanks for expressing them so well.

 

-- Namita

P.S. Here is a silly question that often comes to my mind:  Should someone with

a tamasic nature eat rajaswic food (or vice versa)  to achieve sathwic-ness

quickly?... and then stay on a sathwic diet.

 

-

L.T. SALIAN

saibabanews

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:04 AM

[saibabanews] Vegeterianism v/s Non Vegeterianism

 Though I endorse that Vegeterianism as ideally suited for Spiritual Living. It

is not an end by itself. I have come across some Non Vegetarians who otherwise

are God fearing and live a life full of human values. I have also come across

some Vegeterians who are absolutely Tamsic in nature.

 

So essentially I feel, what is important for each one of us in the Sai Family is

living a life full of human values &; eradicating the Tamsic qualities.It is no

use saying that we are Vegeterians but otherwise possessing animal qualities.

 

Developing Sathwic qualities is a constant process and does not happen

overnight. For some it may take many lives, for some a lifetime and for a rare

few &; fortunate the transformation can be instant and total as a result of

their good Karmas (I call it Karmic credit) &; Sai's Grace. To conclude I will

say Vegeterianism is not a spiritual tag  to be worn as a visiting card but to

be sincerely used as a tool for spiritual pursuit &; spiritual development.

 

These are my humble views and I stand to be corrected.

 Sai Ram

 

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There's an excellent experience from a devotee regarding this subject, let's

have a look at it. I got this

from http://www.saibaba.ws/experiences/chugani.htm  website, pls see the link

for more experiences.

 

The experience of Mr. Arjan Chugani Here is the personal experience of Mr. Arjan Chugani.

I ate meat for fifty-two years of my life, until, step by step, Bhagvan Sri

Sathya Sai Baba changed me into a vegetarian. It started in 1992. In a dream,

Baba said to me "From today, whatever food you eat, you must offer to

me."Begining that day, I offered Him vegetarian food breakfast, lunch and

dinner. On the days when I was vegetarian - Mondays, Tuesdays and Thursdays - I

offered Baba the food I was having my self. When I ate meat on the other days of

the week, I offered Him a vegetarian dish or some dried fruits.This went on for

two years until one Sunday in December, 1994. The day at lunch I offered some

vegetarian food to Baba, setting meat dishes aside for myself. As I sat down to

eat the vegetarian prasadam- along with the meat dishes- I heard a Divine voice:

"What you eat, I wish to eat." Starled, I wondered if I had imagined it. But the

voice said again, "Whatever food you eat, that food I want to eat". The voice

said no more and I wondered whether the words had come from Baba or from my own

mind.Even after the experience, I did not give up meat. I continued my usual

practice of being vegetarian on Mondays, Tuesdays and Thursdays, and eating

meat on other days. But something else started to happen. On the days I ate

meat, I sneezed and got nose bleeds - mildly at first, but

increasinglyprofuse.In January 1951, I awoke as usual at five in the morning to

do my prayers. I sneezed and blood flowed from my nose. My wife and I became

worried. I held my nose and prayed to Baba: "Please stop this, I can't take

this anymore!"Suddenly, the Divine voice said: "Are you afraid of blood? "Yes,

Baba" I replied. "I am afraid of blood". Baba answered: "When you go to the

market, choose a chicken and give it to the slaughterer to kill, and when the

blood flows, why are you not afraid? Do you think your blood and the chicken's

blood are different? When the man at the market cuts off the

chicken's head and it runs about in agony, you stand like a rakshasa(demon)

looking on, indifferent to the pain of the living being. Isn't that so?" The

voice went on. "So , when you see your blood, you are scared. But when you see

the chicken's blood, you are not scared. I am in your heart. I am also in all

living beings."When I heard that, I sad, "O.K., Baba. Beginning today, I want

to be a vegetarian. I will not eat meat again. But help me. Baba. Let me not be

tempted to eat meat anymore". A month later, at Thursday satsang, the Divine

discourse of Baba's sixty -ninth birthday was read. Bhagvan asked His devotees

to stop eating meat, drinking alcohol and smoking if they really loved Him. I

listened and said in my heart, "I have already given up eating meat. From this

day forward, I promise not to smoke or drink alcohol ".

 

Thank you

 

Sai Ram.

 Though I endorse that Vegeterianism as ideally suited for Spiritual Living. It

is not an end by itself. I have come across some Non Vegetarians who otherwise

are God fearing and live a life full of human values. I have also come across

some Vegeterians who are absolutely Tamsic in nature.

 

So essentially I feel, what is important for each one of us in the Sai Family is

living a life full of human values &; eradicating the Tamsic qualities.It is no

use saying that we are Vegeterians but otherwise possessing animal qualities.

 

Developing Sathwic qualities is a constant process and does not happen

overnight. For some it may take many lives, for some a lifetime and for a rare

few &; fortunate the transformation can be instant and total as a result of

their good Karmas (I call it Karmic credit) &; Sai's Grace. To conclude I will

say Vegeterianism is not a spiritual tag  to be worn as a visiting card but to

be sincerely used as a tool for spiritual pursuit &; spiritual development.

 

These are my humble views and I stand to be corrected.

 

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Beautifully explained Brother Salian. I entirely share your opinion on

Vegetarianism. Developing Human Values and standing a good Sai-example

regarding your character is the most important element. The rest follows by

itself.

Marina

 

 

>"L.T. SALIAN" <ltsalian

>saibabanews

>saibabanews

>[saibabanews] Vegeterianism v/s Non Vegeterianism

>Tue, 25 May 2004 17:34:35 +0530

>

> Though I endorse that Vegeterianism as ideally suited for Spiritual

>Living. It is not an end by itself. I have come across some Non Vegetarians

>who otherwise are God fearing and live a life full of human values. I have

>also come across some Vegeterians who are absolutely Tamsic in nature.

>

>So essentially I feel, what is important for each one of us in the Sai

>Family is living a life full of human values & eradicating the Tamsic

>qualities.It is no use saying that we are Vegeterians but otherwise

>possessing animal qualities.

>

>Developing Sathwic qualities is a constant process and does not happen

>overnight. For some it may take many lives, for some a lifetime and for a

>rare few & fortunate the transformation can be instant and total as a

>result of their good Karmas (I call it Karmic credit) & Sai's Grace. To

>conclude I will say Vegeterianism is not a spiritual tag to be worn as a

>visiting card but to be sincerely used as a tool for spiritual pursuit &

>spiritual development.

>

>These are my humble views and I stand to be corrected.

> Sai Ram

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Do convey to Mr Chugani - that his story will at least convert a million into

vegeterians not by force but by His Strong Story.

 

Sai Ram - Be Happy

 

JP

 

~~~~~~~~~~Venu wrote:

Om Sai Ram,

 

There's an excellent experience from a devotee regarding this subject, let's

have a look at it. I got this

from http://www.saibaba.ws/experiences/chugani.htm  website, pls see the link

for more experiences.

 

The experience of Mr. Arjan Chugani Here is the personal experience of Mr. Arjan Chugani.

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SAIRAM brothers and sisters,

i have gone thro the discussion about vegetarianism

and nonvegetarianaism.....

i personally feel it is a way of life.i have been a

vege till date and i did not have the desire to taste

nonveg food as i was brought up as a vege.

i have got few friends who take nonveg food but that

has nothing to do with their impeccable character..

it is not the question of right or wrong but

personally i feel too much of it is unhealthy for the

body and possibly for the soul as both are interwined.

as swami does not take nonvegetarian food and as we

all know that swamis life is swamis message...i think

it would be nice if one can limit nonveg food and get

a feel for themselves how it influences ones spiritual

practice....

for health reasons we all know that nonveg food

which is fried too much can increase ones cholesterol

and increase the risk of heart disease and so on..

at the same time fish has got omega 3 fatty acids

which are proven to be heart friendly and now there is

evidence that they also have a good impact on ones

mental well being....

personally if iam told that fish would give me

proteins,i would still not take it but i would take it

as a preparation..that is cod liver oil...is it ok? i

dont think so....but i wont have any emotional

involvement if i take it as a tablet....but i will if

i have it as fish..

it is akin to having a cake but not eating an

egg.............

i feel that it is important to havefood with good

nutritional value and not dwell too much on which

category it fits into...if we dwell too much we can

only have air and water but that wont be enough to

sustain life..........

lets always stick to the golden adage anything too

much is bad be it vegetarian or nonvegetarian

SAIRAM

dr.srinivasan vaidyanadeswaran.u.k.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I have a friend here at the Sai Centre in

color:navy">Toronto who is about 20 years of

age. Her family has been eating meat. She is very devoted to

Swami. All of a sudden one day she had a dream and Swami appeared and

told her to stop eating meat. She stopped eating meat. Sounds very

simple, eh?

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I used to love coffee. Since I started

meditating, some how I lost the craving. I don’t even know when

this has happened. I used to hate tea, and now I drink tea (one cup in

the morning) Even that I find myself not wanting sometimes. The human

values aspect keeps getting better and better, the more I remember Sai Naamam.

It really works!!

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Om Sai Ram

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Vani.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

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May 25, 2004 1:35 PM

saibabanews

[saibabanews] Re:

Vegeterianism v/s Non Vegeterianism

 

Dear Venu,

 

Do convey to Mr Chugani -

that his story will at least convert a million into vegeterians not by force

but by His Strong Story.

 

Sai Ram - Be Happy

 

JP

 

~~~~~~~~~~

Venu wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

Om Sai Ram,

 

There's an excellent

experience from a devotee regarding this subject, let's have a look

at it. I got this from http://www.saibaba.ws/experiences/chugani.htm

website, pls see the link for more experiences.

 

The experience

of Mr. Arjan Chugani

Here is the personal experience of

Mr. Arjan Chugani.

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Sai Ram Namita,

 

To answer your questions.

 

Should someone with a tamasic nature eat rajaswic food?

Yes.

 

Vive Versa. Should someone with Rajaswic Nature eat Tamsic food?

No.

 

How to achieve sathwic-ness quickly?

Have a good diet of Good Thoughts, Good Words & Good Deeds.

 

Here is a silly question that often comes to my mind: Should someone with a

tamasic nature eat rajaswic food (or vice versa) to achieve sathwic-ness

quickly?... and then stay on a sathwic diet.

 

 

-

Namita Sarawagi

saibabanews

Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:01 PM

[saibabanews] Re: Vegeterianism v/s Non Vegeterianism

 

 

Sai Ram. L.T. Salian,

Reading the e-mails on this topic, I was thinking the EXACTLY the same

thing...but could not express it as well as you have.

 

I have always been a vegetarian (because my parents brought me up this way)

and have lived with non-vegetarian roommates and till recently my husband (who

has now become vegetarian). I have had to, often, think about this topic

Vegeterianism v/s Non Vegeterianism and my views have matched yours, 100%.

Thanks for expressing them so well.

 

-- Namita

P.S. Here is a silly question that often comes to my mind: Should someone

with a tamasic nature eat rajaswic food (or vice versa) to achieve sathwic-ness

quickly?... and then stay on a sathwic diet.

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