Moksha - Time and Space

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Namaskara,

 

 

Varna, Gopalakrishna wrote Friday, July 06, 2007 5:31 AM on Dhyana_sandhya, ITPL

 

 

>>Is Sadhana period is not fixed as "One full brahma Kalpa" for all>>jivas??.>>Is it not depending on the kaxa of the jivas ??.>>I think for Manushya jivi it is one full Brahma kalpa. For others it>>varies.

 

True.. Here is the VijayadAsara Suladi regarding each jiva sAdhane starting from Garudadigalu.

The sAdhane period below consists of number of Brahma kalpa years before aparoxa + number of Brahma kalpa years after aparoksha.

 

Again, Brahma kalpa period has been discussed previously in this forum but just to recap:

 

kali yuga has 432,000 years dwApara has 2 X 432,000 = 864,000 years trEyta yuga has 3 X 432,000 = 1,296,000 years kruta yuga has 4 X 432,000 = 1,728,000 years Total number of years for one Chaturyuga is 4,320,000 years. 12,000 years of devathas- 1 mahayuga 4 chaturyuga = 1 mahayuga 71 Mahayuga = 1 Manvantara 14 Manvantara = 1 Kalpa 1 Kalpa is Brahma's half a day. Brahma's half day with human years of 4,320,000,000. one full day for Brahma is 8,640,000,000 years; such 30 days a month; 12 months in a year for 100 Brahma years Brahma's life consists of 36,000 days and nights The life span for a whole universe, according to the ancient seers, is 311,040,000,000,000 solar years, or "One Age of Brahma."Lord Vishnu's 10.5 hours is Brahma's 87.5 years.

 

VIJAYA DAASARA SULADI as per Devatha taratamya sAdhane

 

garudAdigaLige ivattu iMdrajivarigippattu

maruta ahaMkAra hadineMTu aniruddhAddhakshad-

yaruguru manushachiratigaraDeMtu

maruta dvAdasha hattu sUrya chandrAdyaru varuNa

nAradaviDidu mitrarige ombhattu varaDeraDu nAlku (8)

uktAsheSharige nijavennu

maraLe sanakAdigaLige saptaparjanya

puShkara tanaka Aru karmadevategaLigaidu

arivudu AjAnajadevaru gopikAstrI yaru

chirapitR^i suragaMdarva mUrardha mUreraDu

arivudu naragaMdharva manujottamatR^iNAMtavAgi initu

parimiti uMTu yendu pAdona pAdArdhavu |

parameShTimAnadiMda tiLivudu tR^iNAMtake

taratamya aparoxa charamadeha pariyaMta

paramapuruShahari vijayaviTTAlareya

karuNAMbhudhi intu mukuti mArgava koDuva

 

Brahma-vAyu- 100 +100

Rudraadhivarige-- 50 + 50

indra-kAmarige-- 20 + 20

ahaMkArika prANA-- 18 + 18

guru, svAyaMbhuvanu, daxa, aniruddha, shachi, rati -- 16 + 16

pravaha mArutanige-- 12 + 12

sUrya, Chandra, yamashatarUpa-- 10 + 10

sindUsya ApatyaM pramAn.h saindhavaH = Chandra

varuNa, nArada, agni, prasUti, sapta R^ishigaLu, vaivasvatamanu, mitranige, tAra, niR^iR^iti --9 + 9

uktasheSha shatastharu (85 jana), (18th Kaksha)gaNapa,dhanapa, viShvaksena ityAdi - 8 + 8

sanakAdigaLige, (sanaka, sa naMdana, sa) = 7 + 7

 

7 +7 = 14 kalpasAdhanadavaru 19th kakshadavaru bahumandi devategaLu, shukrachArya, sanaka, sanandana, sanathkuchAta, ityAdi....

7 indraru, 11 manugaLu, vAyu putramarIchi, agniputra pAvaka, ityadi....too many devatas written

 

20th kaksha varuNapatni gangAdevi, yamapatni shyAmAdevi, chandrapatni Rohini, parjanya, sUryapatni sauM~NA??, aniruddhana patni virATadevi, ivarigella modalu 6 + 6

 

21st kaksha anabhimAni devategaLu, kelavu munigaLu, 22nd Kaksha svAhAdevi, 23rd kakshada jalAbhimAni bhudha, 24th Kakshada ashvinI bhArya ushA, 25th kakshada dhariNidevi, 26th kakshadha shanaishvara, 27thth kakshada puShkara (20th 27th kaksha) = 6 + 6

karmajarige--- 5 + 5

AjAnajarige- 4 + 4

gopikAstrIyarige = 3.5 + 3.5

pitR^igaNakke = 3 +3

devagaMdharvaru = 2 + 2

naragaMdharvaru, mAnushottamaru modalu -- 1 + 1

tR^iNAntajIvarige = 0.5 + 0.5

 

Regarding Rudradevara sAdhane, there is some confusion. Please see

http://www.dvaita.org/list/list_51/msg00049.html Username/Password: dvaita

 

 

 

>>Linga deha banga happens only to those who completed their sadhana. For>>those jivas who need to continue their sadhana, it may not happen.

 

Linga deha bhanga will happen during Mahapralaya only to those who completed their full sAdhana. For those jivas who need to continue their sAdhana, it will happen at the end of their sAdhane period.

 

>>Again I am not sure about the following statement " MahaPralaya occurs>>after jeevas getting rid of Karmas."

>>Maha pralaya occurs at its time. It need not wait for jeevas getting rid>>of Karmas. Lord Shri Hari makes that jivas complete their sadhana within>>the prescribed time.

 

Mahapralaya occurs during Brahma devaru laya period between 87 1/2 to 100 Brahma years. Mahapralaya is for 100 Brahma years. Again just to recap from above statement, Lord Vishnu's 10.5 hours is Brahma's 87.5 years

 

bommana nooru varsha praLayadali tannarasiyoDagUDi summaneyAgi malagippa namma nArAyaNagu I rammegaDigaDigu janmaveMbudu avatAra (Lakshmi shobhane)

 

In other words, laya period (Mahapralaya starts) of today's Bramha starts at 87 1/2 years to 100 years during this Brahmanda. Then another 87 1/2 years of Brahma is mahapralaya period which is the night for Parabrahma. Which means, no life will be there & all souls will be inside Sri Hari's belly for 100 Brahma years.

 

In the stomach of Sri Hari, there are three different layers where all souls will stay. In the first top layer, all realized souls will reside, all nithyasamsaris will reside in the second layer & all demons will reside in the third layer.

 

Here in this book, "The process of creation in dAsa sAhithya" , TTD publication by shrI V. Badarayana Murthy

 

It is explained in Vishnu Rahasya:

 

1. nAbheradho vAma bhAge prApta tamasikan which means below the navel, left side the liberated demoniac souls who were in Eternal Hell.

 

2. nAbheradho dakshina bhaage yogyAM which means below the navel, right side, the demoniac souls still in the course of realization

 

3. samapradesa nitya samsaarinah which mean is right beneath the navel - the middling class of souls

 

4. nAbherupari dakshina bhAge muktAn which means above the navel, right side, the released devotee souls.

 

5. nAbherupari vAma bhAge mukti yogyan which means above the navel, left side the devotee souls in the course of realization.

 

 

The process of destruction is as follows: Earth (prithvi) merges into water (ap) , water into fire (tejas), fire into air (vAyu) & air into the sky (AkAsha). The five gross elements in air get back into their subtle counter parts (tanmatras).

 

THE PERIOD OF YOGA NIDRA FOR PARABRAHMAN: 100 BRAHMA YEARS

 

There are some who say that the work of "Mahapralaya" started in the evening of the last day completiong Brahma's 87 1/2 years & that Parabrahma rested for 10 1/2 hours during the night that followed to complete 87 1/2 years; He woke up when actually Brahma's 1 1/2 hours remained before the next dawn.

 

Parabrahma's night equals the period of Brahma's life time. Sri Hari rested for 10 1/2 hours i.e. 87 1/2 years (Brahma years) of that night along with Lakshmidevi. When still (1 1/2 hours) 12 1/2 years remained before dawn, Sri Durgadevi bearing the name "Ambhrani" being prompted by her Lord, praised Him with the "Sruti Gita". Well pleased with it, Sri Hari woke up as it were & opened His eyes. Thus it is declared.

 

Hare Srinivasa...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Varna, Gopalakrishna

Dhyana_Sandhya

Friday, July 06, 2007 5:31 AM

[Dhyana_Sandhya] Moksha - Time and Space

 

 

Hare Srinivasa,namaskAraThanks for the interesting topic of Moksha Sadhana - time and space.Just to add few words.Is Sadhana period is not fixed as "One full brahma Kalpa" for alljivas??.Is it not depending on the kaxa of the jivas ??.I think for Manushya jivi it is one full Brahma kalpa. For others itvaries.Linga deha banga happens only to those who completed their sadhana. Forthose jivas who need to continue their sadhana, it may not happen.Again I am not sure about the following statement " MahaPralaya occursafter jeevas getting rid of Karmas." Maha pralaya occurs at its time. It need not wait for jeevas getting ridof Karmas. Lord Shri Hari makes that jivas complete their sadhana withinthe prescribed time.I request scholars to add more to this.namaskAraB.Gopalakrishna Varna8. Moksha - Time and SpacePosted by: "Dwarkanath MB" dwarki.mb dwarki_mbWed Jun 20, 2007 6:29 am ((PDT))>what happens to the jivas state at such times of pralaya and>mahapralaya?Sadhana Period for all 3 type of Jeevas is "One full Brahma Kalpa".This means that Linga Deha banga occurs only at the end of BrahmaKalpa for all 3 kind of jeevas and they would reach their respectivedestinations.Cycle ends here and 3 kinds of souls would have reached their finaldestination.>a) Do the jivas get rid of all their karmas before pralaya and>mahapralaya? in other words, Pralaya and Mahapralaya will happen>only after all the jivas get rid of their karmas..MahaPralaya occurs after jeevas getting rid of Karmas.During other 3 pralayas, Jeevas would be in other lokas.****************************************************************************************Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ****************************************************************************************

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Namaskara,

 

You mention the five different portions where each

class of souls reside, 2 for Mukti Yogyatas, 2 for

non-mukti yogyathas and 1 for Nityasamsarins.

Shouldn't there be 2 for Nityasamsarins as well - one

for who in the process of realising, and one who

already realised? Just curious.

 

BTW, there is another wonderful book by the same

author Badarayana Murthy titled " Srusti Prakarana " in

kannada, also published by TTD which has all these

wonderful details. (including exact dimensions of

Vaikunta Loka, etc..).

 

Regards

Rao

 

 

 

--- SRINIVASANS <srinivasans wrote:

 

>

> Namaskara,

>

> Varna, Gopalakrishna wrote Friday, July 06, 2007

> 5:31 AM on Dhyana_sandhya, ITPL

>

>

> >>Is Sadhana period is not fixed as " One full brahma

> Kalpa " for all

> >>jivas??.

> >>Is it not depending on the kaxa of the jivas ??.

> >>I think for Manushya jivi it is one full Brahma

> kalpa. For others it

> >>varies.

>

> True.. Here is the VijayadAsara Suladi regarding

> each jiva sAdhane starting from Garudadigalu.

> The sAdhane period below consists of number of

> Brahma kalpa years before aparoxa + number of Brahma

> kalpa years after aparoksha.

>

> Again, Brahma kalpa period has been discussed

> previously in this forum but just to recap:

>

> kali yuga has 432,000 years

> dwApara has 2 X 432,000 = 864,000 years

> trEyta yuga has 3 X 432,000 = 1,296,000 years

> kruta yuga has 4 X 432,000 = 1,728,000 years

> Total number of years for one Chaturyuga is

> 4,320,000 years.

> 12,000 years of devathas- 1 mahayuga

> 4 chaturyuga = 1 mahayuga

> 71 Mahayuga = 1 Manvantara

> 14 Manvantara = 1 Kalpa

> 1 Kalpa is Brahma's half a day.

>

> Brahma's half day with human years of

> 4,320,000,000.

> one full day for Brahma is 8,640,000,000 years;

> such

> 30 days a month; 12 months in a year for 100 Brahma

> years

> Brahma's life consists of 36,000 days and nights

> The life span for a whole universe, according to

> the ancient seers, is

> 311,040,000,000,000 solar years, or " One Age of

> Brahma. "

>

> Lord Vishnu's 10.5 hours is Brahma's 87.5 years.

>

> VIJAYA DAASARA SULADI as per Devatha taratamya

> sAdhane

>

> garudAdigaLige ivattu iMdrajivarigippattu

> maruta ahaMkAra hadineMTu aniruddhAddhakshad-

> yaruguru manushachiratigaraDeMtu

> maruta dvAdasha hattu sUrya chandrAdyaru varuNa

> nAradaviDidu mitrarige ombhattu varaDeraDu nAlku (8)

> uktAsheSharige nijavennu

> maraLe sanakAdigaLige saptaparjanya

> puShkara tanaka Aru karmadevategaLigaidu

> arivudu AjAnajadevaru gopikAstrI yaru

> chirapitR^i suragaMdarva mUrardha mUreraDu

> arivudu naragaMdharva manujottamatR^iNAMtavAgi initu

> parimiti uMTu yendu pAdona pAdArdhavu |

> parameShTimAnadiMda tiLivudu tR^iNAMtake

> taratamya aparoxa charamadeha pariyaMta

> paramapuruShahari vijayaviTTAlareya

> karuNAMbhudhi intu mukuti mArgava koDuva

>

> Brahma-vAyu- 100 +100

> Rudraadhivarige-- 50 + 50

> indra-kAmarige-- 20 + 20

> ahaMkArika prANA-- 18 + 18

> guru, svAyaMbhuvanu, daxa, aniruddha, shachi, rati

> -- 16 + 16

> pravaha mArutanige-- 12 + 12

> sUrya, Chandra, yamashatarUpa-- 10 + 10

> sindUsya ApatyaM pramAn.h saindhavaH = Chandra

> varuNa, nArada, agni, prasUti, sapta R^ishigaLu,

> vaivasvatamanu, mitranige, tAra, niR^iR^iti --9 + 9

> uktasheSha shatastharu (85 jana), (18th

> Kaksha)gaNapa,dhanapa, viShvaksena ityAdi - 8 + 8

> sanakAdigaLige, (sanaka, sa naMdana, sa) = 7 + 7

>

> 7 +7 = 14 kalpasAdhanadavaru 19th kakshadavaru

> bahumandi devategaLu, shukrachArya, sanaka,

> sanandana, sanathkuchAta, ityAdi....

> 7 indraru, 11 manugaLu, vAyu putramarIchi, agniputra

> pAvaka, ityadi....too many devatas written

>

> 20th kaksha varuNapatni gangAdevi, yamapatni

> shyAmAdevi, chandrapatni Rohini, parjanya,

> sUryapatni sauM~NA??, aniruddhana patni virATadevi,

> ivarigella modalu 6 + 6

>

> 21st kaksha anabhimAni devategaLu, kelavu munigaLu,

> 22nd Kaksha svAhAdevi, 23rd kakshada jalAbhimAni

> bhudha, 24th Kakshada ashvinI bhArya ushA, 25th

> kakshada dhariNidevi, 26th kakshadha shanaishvara,

> 27thth kakshada puShkara (20th 27th kaksha) = 6 + 6

> karmajarige--- 5 + 5

> AjAnajarige- 4 + 4

> gopikAstrIyarige = 3.5 + 3.5

> pitR^igaNakke = 3 +3

> devagaMdharvaru = 2 + 2

> naragaMdharvaru, mAnushottamaru modalu -- 1 + 1

> tR^iNAntajIvarige = 0.5 + 0.5

>

> Regarding Rudradevara sAdhane, there is some

> confusion. Please see

> http://www.dvaita.org/list/list_51/msg00049.html

> Username/Password: dvaita

>

>

> >>Linga deha banga happens only to those who

> completed their sadhana. For

> >>those jivas who need to continue their sadhana, it

> may not happen.

>

> Linga deha bhanga will happen during Mahapralaya

> only to those who completed their full sAdhana. For

> those jivas who need to continue their sAdhana, it

> will happen at the end of their sAdhane period.

>

> >>Again I am not sure about the following statement

> " MahaPralaya occurs

> >>after jeevas getting rid of Karmas. "

> >>Maha pralaya occurs at its time. It need not wait

> for jeevas getting rid

> >>of Karmas. Lord Shri Hari makes that jivas

> complete their sadhana within

> >>the prescribed time.

>

>

> Mahapralaya occurs during Brahma devaru laya period

> between 87 1/2 to 100 Brahma years. Mahapralaya is

> for 100 Brahma years. Again just to recap from

> above statement, Lord Vishnu's 10.5 hours is

> Brahma's 87.5 years

>

> bommana nooru varsha praLayadali tannarasiyoDagUDi

> summaneyAgi malagippa namma nArAyaNagu I

> rammegaDigaDigu janmaveMbudu avatAra (Lakshmi

> shobhane)

>

> In other words, laya period (Mahapralaya starts)

> of today's Bramha starts at 87 1/2 years to 100

> years during this Brahmanda. Then another 87 1/2

> years of Brahma is mahapralaya period which is the

> night for Parabrahma. Which means, no life will be

> there & all souls will be inside Sri Hari's belly

> for 100 Brahma years.

>

> In the stomach of Sri Hari, there are three

> different layers where all souls will stay. In the

> first top layer, all realized souls will reside,

> all nithyasamsaris will reside in the second layer &

> all demons will reside in the third layer.

>

> Here in this book, " The process of creation in dAsa

> sAhithya " , TTD publication by shrI V. Badarayana

> Murthy

>

> It is explained in Vishnu Rahasya:

>

> 1. nAbheradho vAma bhAge prApta tamasikan which

> means below the navel, left side the liberated

> demoniac souls who were in Eternal Hell.

>

> 2. nAbheradho dakshina bhaage yogyAM which means

> below the navel, right side, the demoniac souls

> still in the course of realization

>

> 3. samapradesa nitya samsaarinah which mean is

> right beneath the navel - the middling class of

> souls

>

> 4. nAbherupari dakshina bhAge muktAn which means

> above the navel, right side, the released devotee

> souls.

>

> 5. nAbherupari vAma bhAge mukti yogyan which means

> above the navel, left side the devotee souls in the

> course of realization.

>

>

> The process of destruction is as follows: Earth

> (prithvi) merges into water (ap) , water into fire

> (tejas), fire into air (vAyu) & air into the sky

> (AkAsha). The five gross elements in air get back

> into their subtle counter parts (tanmatras).

>

>

> THE PERIOD OF YOGA NIDRA FOR PARABRAHMAN: 100

> BRAHMA YEARS

>

> There are some who say that the work of

> " Mahapralaya " started in the evening of the last day

> completiong Brahma's 87 1/2 years & that Parabrahma

> rested for 10 1/2 hours during the night that

> followed

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