Guest guest Report post Posted September 20, 2006 Sri Gurubhyonamaha Harihi Om Dear Madhavas, I have gone through the replies and thank all of u. After going through some many discussions and many have refered MBTN for so many discussions in this forum. Can any one throw light on Vali Samhara as per Madhwaacharya's Sri MBTN. Sri KrishNaarpaNamastu. On 9/20/06, srinivas achar <vaidyasrinivas wrote: Hare Sreenivasa, its also said that Vali a monkey is not a human being and killing a mruga by standing behind is not against to xatriya dharma. Madhwesharpanam. srinivasachar. On 9/19/06, A. Ananda Rao < anandarao24 wrote: Sri Gurubhyonamaha Harihi OmDear Madhwas,I have question regarding Vali Samhara by Sri Ramachandra. It is said that Sri Ramachandra hid behind a tree and killed Vali.According to Kshetriya Dharma no one cannot kill their enemies by standing behind them or cannot kill by hiding.Then Sri Ramachandra has not conducted as per Kshtriya Dharma. When I applied my thought I think in this way.Vali was a devout devotee of Shri Ramachandra. Vali had to be killed for Dharma Stapana. If Rama stand before Vali the latterwould bow to Rama and also surrender to Rama. Kshetriya Dharma says if the enemy surrenders he should be forgiven and not killed.As there was no other way to kill Vali, Sri Rama had to kill him by hiding behind a tree.Please clarify the matter.Krishnaarpanamastu. Thanx,With PranamasA. Ananda Rao. ------nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||"I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace" If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya--DhanyavaadagaLu,NamaskaaragaLu,A. Ananda Rao. Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2006 On Wednesday, September 20, 2006 ananda rao wrote: > Can any one throw light on Vali Samhara as per Madhwaacharya's Sri MBTN. Acharya has explained this in MBTN adhyaya # 6 If Sri Rama goes in front of Vali, being a great devotee, Vali will surrender to Sri Rama and this will prevent him from being punished for his crime. Lord Sri Rama, who is sarvantaryAmi, did not discharge the arrow during the first encounter as He wanted to give chance to Sugriva to change his mind. He makes Sugriva face death but still due to the desire for kingdom he still wants Sri Rama to kill Vali. The arrow of Sri Rama which is capable of doing samhara of everything did not kill Vali but just touched his heart -- the purpose is to bring Vali back to his true nature. Sri Rama says to Vali that he can restore life if Vali wishes but Vali considers death at the feet of Bhagavan and Hanuman as good fortune [he gets to be born as Arjuna]. Sugriva is born as Karna and gets killed by Arjuna. Regards, Meera Tadipatri Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 29, 2006 Dear Madam / Sirs The figures mentioned turns something different, what i read is something different Sri Rama does wanted to disclose the facts of being Human life and the responsibilities in World. Vali who had Ahaam in his body thinling he is supreme. Vali had power of getting power of opposite person in fight. Vali is one and only person who defeated Ravana by dipping Ravana in Sapta Sagaras. Rama did not disclose of being Supreme, He was just Human. Vali who made Sugriva to leave Mantanga Parvata by not letting laters wife with him, which was not correct. Sugriva was compelled to fight against Vali. thus Rama also taught lesson of not being Aham of his Powers upon his family members. Accordingly when Vali accepted his mistakes Lord forgave him, In Krishna Avatara, Krishna was killed by Hunter who was Vali's incarnation. This is what i heard, there may be some difference, pl let me know. Regards Nagaraj Manepalli Meera Tadipatri <mtadipatri wrote: On Wednesday, September 20, 2006 ananda rao wrote:> Can any one throw light on Vali Samhara as per Madhwaacharya's Sri MBTN.Acharya has explained this in MBTN adhyaya # 6If Sri Rama goes in front of Vali, being a great devotee,Vali will surrender to Sri Rama and this will prevent himfrom being punished for his crime.Lord Sri Rama, who is sarvantaryAmi, did not discharge thearrow during the first encounter as He wanted to give chanceto Sugriva to change his mind. He makes Sugriva face deathbut still due to the desire for kingdom he still wantsSri Rama to kill Vali.The arrow of Sri Rama which is capable of doing samhara ofeverything did not kill Vali but just touched his heart -- the purpose is to bring Vali back to his true nature. Sri Ramasays to Vali that he can restore life if Vali wishes but Valiconsiders death at the feet of Bhagavan and Hanuman as goodfortune [he gets to be born as Arjuna]. Sugriva is born asKarna and gets killed by Arjuna.Regards,Meera Tadipatri Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2006 " Krishna was killed " I am very sorry to read these words On 10/29/06, Nagaraj Manepalli <nagaraj_manepalli wrote: Dear Madam / Sirs The figures mentioned turns something different, what i read is something different Sri Rama does wanted to disclose the facts of being Human life and the responsibilities in World. Vali who had Ahaam in his body thinling he is supreme. Vali had power of getting power of opposite person in fight. Vali is one and only person who defeated Ravana by dipping Ravana in Sapta Sagaras. Rama did not disclose of being Supreme, He was just Human. Vali who made Sugriva to leave Mantanga Parvata by not letting laters wife with him, which was not correct. Sugriva was compelled to fight against Vali. thus Rama also taught lesson of not being Aham of his Powers upon his family members. Accordingly when Vali accepted his mistakes Lord forgave him, In Krishna Avatara, Krishna was killed by Hunter who was Vali's incarnation. This is what i heard, there may be some difference, pl let me know. Regards Nagaraj Manepalli Meera Tadipatri <mtadipatri wrote: On Wednesday, September 20, 2006 ananda rao wrote:> Can any one throw light on Vali Samhara as per Madhwaacharya's Sri MBTN.Acharya has explained this in MBTN adhyaya # 6If Sri Rama goes in front of Vali, being a great devotee, Vali will surrender to Sri Rama and this will prevent himfrom being punished for his crime.Lord Sri Rama, who is sarvantaryAmi, did not discharge thearrow during the first encounter as He wanted to give chance to Sugriva to change his mind. He makes Sugriva face deathbut still due to the desire for kingdom he still wantsSri Rama to kill Vali.The arrow of Sri Rama which is capable of doing samhara ofeverything did not kill Vali but just touched his heart -- the purpose is to bring Vali back to his true nature. Sri Ramasays to Vali that he can restore life if Vali wishes but Valiconsiders death at the feet of Bhagavan and Hanuman as goodfortune [he gets to be born as Arjuna]. Sugriva is born as Karna and gets killed by Arjuna.Regards,Meera Tadipatri Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW -- srinivasachar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2006 || Shri MoolaRamo Vijayate || || Shri DigVijayaRamo Vijayate|| || Acharya Srimad Acharya Santu Mein Janma Janmani || Namaskara, I am not that learned as the members here, however I would like to put forth my view points. I request the learned members to correct me if my thinking and knowledge is incorrect. There is the common belief that it is Vali who has been born as the hunter in the Krishna Avatar and he sent the arrow to Krishna's feet on the assumption that it was a deer there. Few members know what happened subsequently. When the hunter came forward to see the target , he found that it was not a deer but the feet of Lord Krishna. The hunter apologised for the mishap and sought pardon, but Lord Krishna blessed him with swarga. Simillar instance can be noted in the Bhavisyothara Purana, where Bhrigu Muni kicked the Vakshastala of Lord Shri Hari. Though Shri Hari forgave him for the act, it did not go unpunished. Bhrigu Muni was re-born as the hunter. Srimad Acharya has also explained that through the arrow, the hunter had sent his devotion to the lotus feet of the lord, hence attained swarga. Lord Shri Krishna being killed.. During the Mahabaratha War, there were many arrows that hit Lord Shri Krishna, but none could hurt him. How can a mere arrow aimed at the foot do such harm?. We have to ask such questions to persons who mis-state the end of Shri Krishna. I request the learned members to correct if my understanding is incorrect. Dhanyawadegalu. ---------------------- Raghav Wealth Management Standard Chartered Bank Dir : 6331 2901 H/P: 9117 2181 Fax: 6339 6993 31/10/2006 10:36 PM " Nagaraj Manepalli " <nagaraj_manepalli cc: " Vishwamadhvasangha (E-mail) " Re: Vali Samhara " Krishna was killed " I am very sorry to read these words On 10/29/06, Nagaraj Manepalli <nagaraj_manepalli wrote: Dear Madam / Sirs The figures mentioned turns something different, what i read is something different Sri Rama does wanted to disclose the facts of being Human life and the responsibilities in World. Vali who had Ahaam in his body thinling he is supreme. Vali had power of getting power of opposite person in fight. Vali is one and only person who defeated Ravana by dipping Ravana in Sapta Sagaras. Rama did not disclose of being Supreme, He was just Human. Vali who made Sugriva to leave Mantanga Parvata by not letting laters wife with him, which was not correct. Sugriva was compelled to fight against Vali. thus Rama also taught lesson of not being Aham of his Powers upon his family members. Accordingly when Vali accepted his mistakes Lord forgave him, In Krishna Avatara, Krishna was killed by Hunter who was Vali's incarnation. This is what i heard, there may be some difference, pl let me know. Regards Nagaraj Manepalli Meera Tadipatri <mtadipatri wrote: On Wednesday, September 20, 2006 ananda rao wrote: > Can any one throw light on Vali Samhara as per Madhwaacharya's Sri MBTN. Acharya has explained this in MBTN adhyaya # 6 If Sri Rama goes in front of Vali, being a great devotee, Vali will surrender to Sri Rama and this will prevent him from being punished for his crime. Lord Sri Rama, who is sarvantaryAmi, did not discharge the arrow during the first encounter as He wanted to give chance to Sugriva to change his mind. He makes Sugriva face death but still due to the desire for kingdom he still wants Sri Rama to kill Vali. The arrow of Sri Rama which is capable of doing samhara of everything did not kill Vali but just touched his heart -- the purpose is to bring Vali back to his true nature. Sri Rama says to Vali that he can restore life if Vali wishes but Vali considers death at the feet of Bhagavan and Hanuman as good fortune [he gets to be born as Arjuna]. Sugriva is born as Karna and gets killed by Arjuna. Regards, Meera Tadipatri This email is confidential. If you are not the addressee tell the sender immediately and destroy this email without using, sending or storing it. Emails are not secure and may suffer errors, viruses, delay, interception and amendment. Standard Chartered PLC and subsidiaries ("SCGroup") do not accept liability for damage caused by this email and may monitor email traffic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
