The other side of Sri. Vishwesha Thirtharu

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The other side of Sri. Vishwesha Thirtharu

 

Friends,

 

" Sri Krishna Matha and Sri Madhvacharya's SarvaJna

Peeta belong to Madhvas and we will never allow anyone

to take over this " - Sri. Vishwesha Thirtharu of

Pejavara maTha

 

A Kannada T.V. channel " Udaya TV " telecasts a program

called " Jedara Bale " (Spider Web) in which a very

talented and articulate moderator Sri. Deepak Timiah

hosts a one-on-one debate focusing hot topics of the

society. Here the debaters are usually the key

personalities who are either behind such issues or who

are making news around such issues.

 

Last week the topic was about this Udupi Kanaka Gopura

issue and the debaters were Sri Vishwesha Thirtharu of

Pejawara MaTha and Sri. H. Vishwanath who is a former

Karnataka Minister and a Kuruba community leader. This

was a live debate. Such debates do provide viewers

independent, impartial and firsthand information from

both sides.

 

Just for the benefit of those who did not have a

chance to watch this wonderful debate, I would like to

share my thoughts in this forum.

 

Until this debate, I had only listened to Sri

Vishwesha Thirthauru's shastric lectures and

pravachanas. I just do not have words to describe the

manner in which he handled such a hot prime time

public debate watched by millions across Karnataka. I

personally urge every madhva to watch it to see this

other side of Sri. Vishwesha Thirtharu if you can find

a recording of this program.

 

Sri. Swamiji remained very calm throughout the debate

with his ever smiling face and patiently listened to

opponent Sri. Vishwanath's arguments or Sri Deepak's

questions and gave confident answers point to point

without a stutter. As opposed to his opponent, not

even once Sri. Swamiji interrupted either the

moderator or his opponent. When Sri. Vishwanath pulled

out some 1966 Supreme Court judgments; Sri Swamiji

showed him the correct interpretations of such

Judgments. At times, it was truly amazing to see Sri

Swamiji's command over English and fluency (please

note swamji has not attended any modern educational

institutions like his opponent).

 

It was very noticeable that whenever Swamiji started

convincing his opponent / Viewers with his factual

answers, the opponent tried to distract him to another

topic. For example, even though the issue was

primarily the Gopura demolition, Sri. Vishwanth jumped

from owning the Krishna temple (he does not want to

call it Krishna Matha) by Government, to permit all

devotees to physically touch the feet of Lord Krishna,

let everyone eat together in Udupi, discrimination

against non Brahmins by Udupi temple administrators,

etc. For every issue, Swamiji numbed his opponent,

moderator as well as viewers with his brilliant

answers and counter arguments. In fact, at the end

both the moderator and the opponent conceded with a

question - why is it Sri Vishwesha Thirtha is fighting

this battle and not the actual Udupi swamijis who are

responsible for all these mess? Sri. Swamiji's answer

was very simple - it is not an issue of one MaTha and

the Udupi Krishna MaTha belongs to all eight maThas

and he has an equal responsibility to defend the

Krishna MaTha when baseless and politically motivated

allegations are made against it.

 

After the debate I really wondered what would have

been the state of this issue if Madhvas did not have a

great articulate soul like Sri. Vishwesha Thirtharu. I

consider myself truly blessed for seeing and hearing

such a mahatma during my life time.

 

Although it is impossible for me to duplicate here

every quote that came out of Sri Swamiji's mouth, I

would like to list a few gems:

 

* Sri Krishna Matha and Sri Madhvacharya's SarvaJna

Peeta belong to Madhvas and we will never allow anyone

to take over this.. What an unambiguous and

unequivocal statement!

 

* If the government wants to take over the

administration of Krishna temple, do not apply that

rule for Udupi Ashta MaTha alone. Do it for every

Matha and every other religious institution regardless

of whether it belongs to Hindus or Muslims or

Christians.

 

* Every community has its own Sampradaaya and such

sampradaayas binds such communities and their

institutions. Do you think you can go and touch the

idol in Tirupathi? (While answering Sri. Vishwanath's

question every devotee should be allowed to touch Lord

Krishna's idol).

 

* When the moderator and Opponent insisted Sri Swamiji

to not to use the Word Matha while describing Krishna

temple as it was not the word used by the modern

courts, Sri Swamiji pulled out a Sanskrit quote from

the founder of matha - Srimad Acharya and showed them

he called it Krishna MaTha.

 

* When Sri Deepak Timiah brought to his attention that

some of the Ashta Matha pontiffs are spreading the

words like - there was no incident like Kanakana Kimdi

(a hole formed in the wall when Lord Krishna gave

darshana to Sri. Kanakadasaru), his unequivocal answer

was, " ..In a democracy everyone is entitled to air

their opinion and that is what we are seeing. I have

personally argued with people who tried to paint

stories like a crack appeared due to lightening, etc.

they are all without any proof. I firmly believe that

Kanaakana Kimdi incident is very true and I will stand

by this statement for ever.. "

 

* sri Vishwanth wanted viewers to know that some of

the Ashta Math Pontiffs have some Mumbai underworld

connections and he has been getting death threats ever

since the big rally in Bangalore. Sri Swamiji's

continued: It is a sin to do such things and such

people are enemies of Lord Krishna himself. The Lord

will never forgive such evil people.

 

* When Sri. Deepak said - " you preach and believe

everything is after all God's will and this (Kanaka

Gopura incident and its aftermath) is also his will to

empower the government (and lower community) to play a

bigger role.. " - Sri Swamiji said - " .. Yes, no doubt

it is indeed Lord's will. However, the same Lord

expects you to try and uphold the truth using the

wisdom and strengths he has given you. Who knows, this

indeed may be Lord Krishna's will to bring Brahmin and

Kuruba communities closer together than ever before " -

What a diplomacy!

 

Finally, you may want to know this. Sri. Deepak asked

the former minister Sri. Vishwanth these questions:

how much do you know about Sri Kanaka Daasaru?, since

when you are aware that Kanaka's Gopura?, how much did

you know about Udupi before this incident?, Sri.

Vishwanth gave a very honest answer, he did not know

anything about these until a few Kuruba community

people spoke to him. That is when he realized the

suppression of innocent Kurubas and decided to do

something about this.. " . Sri. Deepak did not have to

ask the same question to Sri Swamiji and I appreciated

the honest answer of Sri. Vishwanath.

 

Regards,

Murthy

 

 

 

 

 

 

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hello all

 

This is a wonderful and interesting

piece of article. We all revere Sri Vishwesha Tiirtharu.

I wish we hear more and more of such events.

 

regards

Gururaj

Murthy Navarathna <vaishnavacharya wrote:

The other side of Sri. Vishwesha ThirtharuFriends,"Sri Krishna Matha and Sri Madhvacharya's SarvaJnaPeeta belong to Madhvas and we will never allow anyoneto take over this" - Sri. Vishwesha Thirtharu ofPejavara maThaA Kannada T.V. channel "Udaya TV" telecasts a programcalled "Jedara Bale" (Spider Web) in which a verytalented and articulate moderator Sri. Deepak Timiahhosts a one-on-one debate focusing hot topics of thesociety. Here the debaters are usually the keypersonalities who are either behind such issues or whoare making news around such issues.Last week the topic was about this Udupi Kanaka Gopuraissue and the debaters were Sri Vishwesha Thirtharu ofPejawara MaTha and Sri. H. Vishwanath who is a formerKarnataka Minister and a Kuruba community leader. Thiswas a live debate. Such debates

do provide viewersindependent, impartial and firsthand information fromboth sides. Just for the benefit of those who did not have achance to watch this wonderful debate, I would like toshare my thoughts in this forum.Until this debate, I had only listened to SriVishwesha Thirthauru's shastric lectures andpravachanas. I just do not have words to describe themanner in which he handled such a hot prime timepublic debate watched by millions across Karnataka. Ipersonally urge every madhva to watch it to see thisother side of Sri. Vishwesha Thirtharu if you can finda recording of this program.Sri. Swamiji remained very calm throughout the debatewith his ever smiling face and patiently listened toopponent Sri. Vishwanath's arguments or Sri Deepak'squestions and gave confident answers point to pointwithout a stutter. As opposed to his opponent, noteven once Sri. Swamiji interrupted either

themoderator or his opponent. When Sri. Vishwanath pulledout some 1966 Supreme Court judgments; Sri Swamijishowed him the correct interpretations of suchJudgments. At times, it was truly amazing to see SriSwamiji's command over English and fluency (pleasenote swamji has not attended any modern educationalinstitutions like his opponent).It was very noticeable that whenever Swamiji startedconvincing his opponent / Viewers with his factualanswers, the opponent tried to distract him to anothertopic. For example, even though the issue wasprimarily the Gopura demolition, Sri. Vishwanth jumpedfrom owning the Krishna temple (he does not want tocall it Krishna Matha) by Government, to permit alldevotees to physically touch the feet of Lord Krishna,let everyone eat together in Udupi, discriminationagainst non Brahmins by Udupi temple administrators,etc. For every issue, Swamiji numbed his opponent,moderator as

well as viewers with his brilliantanswers and counter arguments. In fact, at the endboth the moderator and the opponent conceded with aquestion - why is it Sri Vishwesha Thirtha is fightingthis battle and not the actual Udupi swamijis who areresponsible for all these mess? Sri. Swamiji's answerwas very simple - it is not an issue of one MaTha andthe Udupi Krishna MaTha belongs to all eight maThasand he has an equal responsibility to defend theKrishna MaTha when baseless and politically motivatedallegations are made against it.After the debate I really wondered what would havebeen the state of this issue if Madhvas did not have agreat articulate soul like Sri. Vishwesha Thirtharu. Iconsider myself truly blessed for seeing and hearingsuch a mahatma during my life time.Although it is impossible for me to duplicate hereevery quote that came out of Sri Swamiji's mouth, Iwould like to list a few gems:*

Sri Krishna Matha and Sri Madhvacharya's SarvaJnaPeeta belong to Madhvas and we will never allow anyoneto take over this.. What an unambiguous andunequivocal statement!* If the government wants to take over theadministration of Krishna temple, do not apply thatrule for Udupi Ashta MaTha alone. Do it for everyMatha and every other religious institution regardlessof whether it belongs to Hindus or Muslims orChristians.* Every community has its own Sampradaaya and suchsampradaayas binds such communities and theirinstitutions. Do you think you can go and touch theidol in Tirupathi? (While answering Sri. Vishwanath'squestion every devotee should be allowed to touch LordKrishna's idol).* When the moderator and Opponent insisted Sri Swamijito not to use the Word Matha while describing Krishnatemple as it was not the word used by the moderncourts, Sri Swamiji pulled out a Sanskrit quote fromthe

founder of matha - Srimad Acharya and showed themhe called it Krishna MaTha.* When Sri Deepak Timiah brought to his attention thatsome of the Ashta Matha pontiffs are spreading thewords like - there was no incident like Kanakana Kimdi(a hole formed in the wall when Lord Krishna gavedarshana to Sri. Kanakadasaru), his unequivocal answerwas, "..In a democracy everyone is entitled to airtheir opinion and that is what we are seeing. I havepersonally argued with people who tried to paintstories like a crack appeared due to lightening, etc.they are all without any proof. I firmly believe thatKanaakana Kimdi incident is very true and I will standby this statement for ever.."* sri Vishwanth wanted viewers to know that some ofthe Ashta Math Pontiffs have some Mumbai underworldconnections and he has been getting death threats eversince the big rally in Bangalore. Sri Swamiji'scontinued: It is a sin to do such

things and suchpeople are enemies of Lord Krishna himself. The Lordwill never forgive such evil people.* When Sri. Deepak said - "you preach and believeeverything is after all God's will and this (KanakaGopura incident and its aftermath) is also his will toempower the government (and lower community) to play abigger role.." - Sri Swamiji said -".. Yes, no doubtit is indeed Lord's will. However, the same Lordexpects you to try and uphold the truth using thewisdom and strengths he has given you. Who knows, thisindeed may be Lord Krishna's will to bring Brahmin andKuruba communities closer together than ever before" -What a diplomacy!Finally, you may want to know this. Sri. Deepak askedthe former minister Sri. Vishwanth these questions:how much do you know about Sri Kanaka Daasaru?, sincewhen you are aware that Kanaka's Gopura?, how much didyou know about Udupi before this incident?, Sri.Vishwanth gave

a very honest answer, he did not knowanything about these until a few Kuruba communitypeople spoke to him. That is when he realized thesuppression of innocent Kurubas and decided to dosomething about this..". Sri. Deepak did not have toask the same question to Sri Swamiji and I appreciatedthe honest answer of Sri. Vishwanath.Regards,Murthy nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||"I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His

grace and not otherwise. That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His recurring grace" If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this way, it pleases Vishnu. --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya --To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to - --Visit VMS at http://www.madhva.orgView the latest events in the US by selecting the 'Events' link--

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Dear Hari bhaktas,

 

Please go through this link.

 

http://www.dalitvoice.org/Templates/jan_a2005/editorial.htm

 

Few wicked minded people in Karnataka are trying to spoil our

community .Their target is Shri Pejavara swamiji.

 

We have to protest against their evil thinking.

 

Regards

Sheshagiri K M

 

 

 

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:48:46 -0800 (PST), Murthy Navarathna

<vaishnavacharya wrote:

>

>

> The other side of Sri. Vishwesha Thirtharu

>

> Friends,

>

> " Sri Krishna Matha and Sri Madhvacharya's SarvaJna

> Peeta belong to Madhvas and we will never allow anyone

> to take over this " - Sri. Vishwesha Thirtharu of

> Pejavara maTha

>

> A Kannada T.V. channel " Udaya TV " telecasts a program

> called " Jedara Bale " (Spider Web) in which a very

> talented and articulate moderator Sri. Deepak Timiah

> hosts a one-on-one debate focusing hot topics of the

> society. Here the debaters are usually the key

> personalities who are either behind such issues or who

> are making news around such issues.

>

> Last week the topic was about this Udupi Kanaka Gopura

> issue and the debaters were Sri Vishwesha Thirtharu of

> Pejawara MaTha and Sri. H. Vishwanath who is a former

> Karnataka Minister and a Kuruba community leader. This

> was a live debate. Such debates do provide viewers

> independent, impartial and firsthand information from

> both sides.

>

> Just for the benefit of those who did not have a

> chance to watch this wonderful debate, I would like to

> share my thoughts in this forum.

>

> Until this debate, I had only listened to Sri

> Vishwesha Thirthauru's shastric lectures and

> pravachanas. I just do not have words to describe the

> manner in which he handled such a hot prime time

> public debate watched by millions across Karnataka. I

> personally urge every madhva to watch it to see this

> other side of Sri. Vishwesha Thirtharu if you can find

> a recording of this program.

>

> Sri. Swamiji remained very calm throughout the debate

> with his ever smiling face and patiently listened to

> opponent Sri. Vishwanath's arguments or Sri Deepak's

> questions and gave confident answers point to point

> without a stutter. As opposed to his opponent, not

> even once Sri. Swamiji interrupted either the

> moderator or his opponent. When Sri. Vishwanath pulled

> out some 1966 Supreme Court judgments; Sri Swamiji

> showed him the correct interpretations of such

> Judgments. At times, it was truly amazing to see Sri

> Swamiji's command over English and fluency (please

> note swamji has not attended any modern educational

> institutions like his opponent).

>

> It was very noticeable that whenever Swamiji started

> convincing his opponent / Viewers with his factual

> answers, the opponent tried to distract him to another

> topic. For example, even though the issue was

> primarily the Gopura demolition, Sri. Vishwanth jumped

> from owning the Krishna temple (he does not want to

> call it Krishna Matha) by Government, to permit all

> devotees to physically touch the feet of Lord Krishna,

> let everyone eat together in Udupi, discrimination

> against non Brahmins by Udupi temple administrators,

> etc. For every issue, Swamiji numbed his opponent,

> moderator as well as viewers with his brilliant

> answers and counter arguments. In fact, at the end

> both the moderator and the opponent conceded with a

> question - why is it Sri Vishwesha Thirtha is fighting

> this battle and not the actual Udupi swamijis who are

> responsible for all these mess? Sri. Swamiji's answer

> was very simple - it is not an issue of one MaTha and

> the Udupi Krishna MaTha belongs to all eight maThas

> and he has an equal responsibility to defend the

> Krishna MaTha when baseless and politically motivated

> allegations are made against it.

>

> After the debate I really wondered what would have

> been the state of this issue if Madhvas did not have a

> great articulate soul like Sri. Vishwesha Thirtharu. I

> consider myself truly blessed for seeing and hearing

> such a mahatma during my life time.

>

> Although it is impossible for me to duplicate here

> every quote that came out of Sri Swamiji's mouth, I

> would like to list a few gems:

>

> * Sri Krishna Matha and Sri Madhvacharya's SarvaJna

> Peeta belong to Madhvas and we will never allow anyone

> to take over this.. What an unambiguous and

> unequivocal statement!

>

> * If the government wants to take over the

> administration of Krishna temple, do not apply that

> rule for Udupi Ashta MaTha alone. Do it for every

> Matha and every other religious institution regardless

> of whether it belongs to Hindus or Muslims or

> Christians.

>

> * Every community has its own Sampradaaya and such

> sampradaayas binds such communities and their

> institutions. Do you think you can go and touch the

> idol in Tirupathi? (While answering Sri. Vishwanath's

> question every devotee should be allowed to touch Lord

> Krishna's idol).

>

> * When the moderator and Opponent insisted Sri Swamiji

> to not to use the Word Matha while describing Krishna

> temple as it was not the word used by the modern

> courts, Sri Swamiji pulled out a Sanskrit quote from

> the founder of matha - Srimad Acharya and showed them

> he called it Krishna MaTha.

>

> * When Sri Deepak Timiah brought to his attention that

> some of the Ashta Matha pontiffs are spreading the

> words like - there was no incident like Kanakana Kimdi

> (a hole formed in the wall when Lord Krishna gave

> darshana to Sri. Kanakadasaru), his unequivocal answer

> was, " ..In a democracy everyone is entitled to air

> their opinion and that is what we are seeing. I have

> personally argued with people who tried to paint

> stories like a crack appeared due to lightening, etc.

> they are all without any proof. I firmly believe that

> Kanaakana Kimdi incident is very true and I will stand

> by this statement for ever.. "

>

> * sri Vishwanth wanted viewers to know that some of

> the Ashta Math Pontiffs have some Mumbai underworld

> connections and he has been getting death threats ever

> since the big rally in Bangalore. Sri Swamiji's

> continued: It is a sin to do such things and such

> people are enemies of Lord Krishna himself. The Lord

> will never forgive such evil people.

>

> * When Sri. Deepak said - " you preach and believe

> everything is after all God's will and this (Kanaka

> Gopura incident and its aftermath) is also his will to

> empower the government (and lower community) to play a

> bigger role.. " - Sri Swamiji said - " .. Yes, no doubt

> it is indeed Lord's will. However, the same Lord

> expects you to try and uphold the truth using the

> wisdom and strengths he has given you. Who knows, this

> indeed may be Lord Krishna's will to bring Brahmin and

> Kuruba communities closer together than ever before " -

> What a diplomacy!

>

> Finally, you may want to know this. Sri. Deepak asked

> the former minister Sri. Vishwanth these questions:

> how much do you know about Sri Kanaka Daasaru?, since

> when you are aware that Kanaka's Gopura?, how much did

> you know about Udupi before this incident?, Sri.

> Vishwanth gave a very honest answer, he did not know

> anything about these until a few Kuruba community

> people spoke to him. That is when he realized the

> suppression of innocent Kurubas and decided to do

> something about this.. " . Sri. Deepak did not have to

> ask the same question to Sri Swamiji and I appreciated

> the honest answer of Sri. Vishwanath.

>

> Regards,

> Murthy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> nAham kartA hariH kartA tatpUjA karmachaakhilam.h|

> taThaapi matkR^itaa pUja tatprasaadhEna naanyaThaa|

> tadbhakti tadphalam.h mahyam.h tatprasaadaat.h punaH punaH |

> karmanyaasO harAvevam.h vishNOsthR^iptikaraH sadhA ||

>

> " I am not the doer, shri Hari is the doer, all the actions that I do are His

worship. Even then, the worship I do is through His grace and not otherwise.

That devotion and the fruits of the actions that come to me are due to His

recurring grace "

> If one always practices to do actions with a dedicated spirit to Hari, in this

way, it pleases Vishnu.

> --- Quoted by Sri madhvAchArya in GitA tAtparya

> --

> To send an empty E-mail (without subject and body info.) to

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