[Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] Caste or dress of devotees

June 13, 2006

Dear Mohan,

This exactly was the thing which I was also mentioning but there was a big

objection to the same frommany members.We should realise that we are first human

beings and then Hindus or Christians or Muslims.And the Almighty which we call

as God does not have any form but we are fond of him and would like to remember

him i various forms and one of the form is Shri Guruvayoorappan who is my

favourite God as well.The Devaswom members are corrupt and they will go to any

extent for extracting money from the public.I have seen people prostrating

before the Melshanti and tantri...and giving big fat bundle of notes to them.For

what?We are there in Guruvayoor to see our beloved Lord and not to prostrate

before the tantri.There were many cases which have reflected that the Devaswom

members are corrupt and there was a live documentary aired on asianet recently.

I would say that people who believe in Guruvayoorappan should not miss a

chance to see him maybe he is a Christian Hindu or whatever.

Anyhow I am sorry if this hurts any members.I was just airing my opinion which

i believe is true.,

God is in the mind andmay Godin the form of Guruvayoorappan stay in everyone

of our minds.

Have a nice day.

Best Regards,

Hemant

Mohan Nair <raghaveeyam wrote:

Om Namo Narayana!!!!

When I sent a copy of Navaneetham issue to my brother he wrote a letter to me

which is as follows:

" Guruvayurappan does not believe in caste or dress of his devotees but Devassam

Board officials does. Few examples are as follows:

1. A nair friend of mine is married to a Christian girl and now settled in

Trichur. She is also a devotee of Guruvayurappan. She goes to Church every

Sunday and whenever she gets time she goes to Guruvayur temple also to have

darshan. No objection from any quarter as the officials does not know that she

is a Christian but Guruvayurappan knows. He has not yet stopped her visiting the

temple.

2. Jesudas's devotional songs are being aired in Guruvayurappan temple but he is

not allowed to enter the temple. He is a firm believer of Guruvayurappan as he

does in the case of Dharmasastha.

3. Pant is not allowed in Temple but many devotees fold it to the knee and on

that wear a 'Mund'. Guruvayurappan has no objection.

4. Salwar kameez is not allowed in temple but many ladies hide it behind Saree.

5. If a child or someone vomits in the temple complex special puja is imposed.

Is it for making money or something else?

In the name of God our Devassam Board officials do all types of objectionable

acts but nobody objects. If someone objects he is being abused. Money means what

money does. "

I will appreciate it very much if someone can give a satisfactory reply to this

devotee.

Om Namo Narayana

Mohan Nair

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June 13, 2006

!! Sri Rama Jayam !!

Dear Shri Mohan Nair,

Thanks for bringing it to our notice. Appreciate your concern. But this has been

a talk as old as the physical existence of 'Guruvayur' temple itself and we all

had a big discussion on the same. The outcome was that, the rules & regulations

of Guruvayur dewaswom board must not be challenged under any circumstances. The

temple administration has put a himalayan effort to restore our cultural

heritage & traditional customs over years. Superficially, some of the rules laid

down by dewaswom board may hinder our thinking, but as a responsible devotee it

becomes our job to respect those guidelines atleast inside the temple premises.

Now, as far as Krishna is concerned he is untouched by these formalities. He is

equally happy to receive the offerings from Ambarisha (the king) and as well

from his intimate poor friend Kuchela. Kindly do not keep Krishna as a subject

spanning only inside the premises of Guruvayur temple. He is the subject of

infinite love & compassion. A view of accepting his totality will benefit all of

us everytime.

I request you to kindly advance with the temple regulations in the interest of

all.

Sri Guruvayurappan Sharanam !

Hare Krishna

Hare Rama

guruvayur [guruvayur ]On Behalf Of

Mohan Nair

Monday, June 12, 2006 11:41 PM

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[Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] Caste or dress of devotees

Om Namo Narayana!!!!

When I sent a copy of Navaneetham issue to my brother he wrote a letter to me

which is as follows:

" Guruvayurappan does not believe in caste or dress of his devotees but Devassam

Board officials does. Few examples are as follows:

1. A nair friend of mine is married to a Christian girl and now settled in

Trichur. She is also a devotee of Guruvayurappan. She goes to Church every

Sunday and whenever she gets time she goes to Guruvayur temple also to have

darshan. No objection from any quarter as the officials does not know that she

is a Christian but Guruvayurappan knows. He has not yet stopped her visiting the

temple.

2. Jesudas's devotional songs are being aired in Guruvayurappan temple but he is

not allowed to enter the temple. He is a firm believer of Guruvayurappan as he

does in the case of Dharmasastha.

3. Pant is not allowed in Temple but many devotees fold it to the knee and on

that wear a 'Mund'. Guruvayurappan has no objection.

4. Salwar kameez is not allowed in temple but many ladies hide it behind Saree.

5. If a child or someone vomits in the temple complex special puja is imposed.

Is it for making money or something else?

In the name of God our Devassam Board officials do all types of objectionable

acts but nobody objects. If someone objects he is being abused. Money means what

money does. "

I will appreciate it very much if someone can give a satisfactory reply to this

devotee.

Om Namo Narayana

Mohan Nair

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June 13, 2006

Dear all,

There is truth and wisdom in what Mr. Mohan Nair has written. I too

have observed the same things. When I went to guruvayoor temple a few

months after my heart bypass surgery and was feeling uneasy standing in

the que, somebody in the queue advised me to request the person in

charge to send me in bypassing the queue as a special case. My request

turned to deaf ears, and I was told that if one is sick, he should not

come to the temple.

What a logic? Out of thousands of devotees who throng the temple,

quite a number of them come to have darshan and get cured of their

sickness in their firm belief on guruvayoorappan. Take Narayana

Bhattatiri's case for instance. I decided to continue in the queue

praying to the Lord that nothing untoward should happen. And He showed

His grace on me.

What I feel is that the officials are going by their manual, without

using any discretion. Wearing a pant/shirt/dhotie is after all, in the

devotees' own interest. The theory is that people should keep

their chests open, as men are supposed to receive positive energy

from chanting of the Lord's names etc., throug the bare body, and the

ladies through the ornaments they wear. Thar is one reason it is said

that women should wear some metallic ornament, however small itis, when

they go to the temple. Not to exhibit their ornamental wealth.

Regards

K.V. Gopalakrishna. wsebmaster, www.narayaneeyam.com

Mohan Nair wrote:

>Om Namo Narayana!!!!

>

> When I sent a copy of Navaneetham issue to my brother he wrote a letter to me

which is as follows:

>

> " Guruvayurappan does not believe in caste or dress of his devotees but

Devassam Board officials does. Few examples are as follows:

>

> 1. A nair friend of mine is married to a Christian girl and now settled in

Trichur. She is also a devotee of Guruvayurappan. She goes to Church every

Sunday and whenever she gets time she goes to Guruvayur temple also to have

darshan. No objection from any quarter as the officials does not know that she

is a Christian but Guruvayurappan knows. He has not yet stopped her visiting

the temple.

>

> 2. Jesudas's devotional songs are being aired in Guruvayurappan temple but he

is not allowed to enter the temple. He is a firm believer of Guruvayurappan as

he does in the case of Dharmasastha.

>

> 3. Pant is not allowed in Temple but many devotees fold it to the knee and on

that wear a 'Mund'. Guruvayurappan has no objection.

>

> 4. Salwar kameez is not allowed in temple but many ladies hide it behind

Saree.

>

> 5. If a child or someone vomits in the temple complex special puja is

imposed. Is it for making money or something else?

>

> In the name of God our Devassam Board officials do all types of objectionable

acts but nobody objects. If someone objects he is being abused. Money means

what money does. "

>

> I will appreciate it very much if someone can give a satisfactory reply to

this devotee.

>

> Om Namo Narayana

>

> Mohan Nair

>

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June 13, 2006

Ohm Namo Bhagavathea Vasudevaya; Ohm namo Narayanaya

I believe that restrictions and controls are made as

per Thandri's and other governing bodies instruction.

Devaswom and other officials cant make all this 100%

practically. Its not for convincing others. The

devotees should understand this and have to behave

like that. In all major kerala temples have these

restrictions and controls.

One of my friend once visited the " Pambumakkad Temple "

famous Nagadevatha temple at Trissur. Its a private

property of Pambumekkad Mana. They will only allow the

peoples up to Nair to enter in to the kavu. Others can

have darshan on " Ayyilyam " pooja of Thulam. My friend

was belongs to Ezhava community. One another friend

told him you just say Nair and enter to the temple.

Nobody is checking you. But he told that he dont want

to enter like that. If there is such a restriction I

will pray from outside.

In waring Churidar inside the sari or Waring pants

inside mundu or entering of a Christian devotee in to

the temple are the matters of principles. Before doing

this they have to ask to their mind is its right ?

Guruvayoorappan does not consider jathi or kulam. But

there are some rules and regulations for the temple.

Its a devine place. Each and every devine place should

have certain instructions. If you belongs to any cast

you are not permitted enter in to the temple

immediately after the marriage.

Ohm Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya; Ohm namonarrayanaya

--- Mohan Nair <raghaveeyam wrote:

> Om Namo Narayana!!!!

>

> When I sent a copy of Navaneetham issue to my

> brother he wrote a letter to me which is as follows:

>

> " Guruvayurappan does not believe in caste or dress

> of his devotees but Devassam Board officials does.

> Few examples are as follows:

>

> 1. A nair friend of mine is married to a

> Christian girl and now settled in Trichur. She is

> also a devotee of Guruvayurappan. She goes to

> Church every Sunday and whenever she gets time she

> goes to Guruvayur temple also to have darshan. No

> objection from any quarter as the officials does not

> know that she is a Christian but Guruvayurappan

> knows. He has not yet stopped her visiting the

> temple.

>

> 2. Jesudas's devotional songs are being aired in

> Guruvayurappan temple but he is not allowed to enter

> the temple. He is a firm believer of Guruvayurappan

> as he does in the case of Dharmasastha.

>

> 3. Pant is not allowed in Temple but many devotees

> fold it to the knee and on that wear a 'Mund'.

> Guruvayurappan has no objection.

>

> 4. Salwar kameez is not allowed in temple but many

> ladies hide it behind Saree.

>

> 5. If a child or someone vomits in the temple

> complex special puja is imposed. Is it for making

> money or something else?

>

> In the name of God our Devassam Board officials do

> all types of objectionable acts but nobody objects.

> If someone objects he is being abused. Money means

> what money does. "

>

> I will appreciate it very much if someone can give

> a satisfactory reply to this devotee.

>

> Om Namo Narayana

>

> Mohan Nair

>

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June 13, 2006

Dear Mohan,

As you say everything he knows, he will give the result too...

If there is some rituals which is practised from the vedic period, it has its

own reasons and purity.

Yha. I agreed the workers they play well there in the services to Bhagthas...

As this forum is for Bhakthi, i would request the moderator to forgive me and

go little beyond that.

1. Getting married to a Christian Girl is not a sin, in the puranic days also

our anchestors get married with Yawana Girls.. in historic days too... but the

difference is, on those days the hindus are well litterate about their Sanadhana

Dharma way of life, and they know what is Kharma and Dharma,. They are very

intelligent and courageous. Never worried about the Fate. Now we are not having

the courage and doing all sinful acts and running behind the temples and

astrologers to overcome, if failed we curse the fate. But not ready to realize

the wrong is with in us.

Be loyal to yourself first. As i dont know you personnally, we hindus are

wearing a mask of pseudo secularism to cover the illitracy about our own.

We cant blame Guruvayoorappan fro our mistakes, as you say he has not stopped

her visiting the temple, are you challanging him?

May be she is a devotee of our Bhagawan Unnikkannan but still goes to

Church... travelling in two boats... what will her kids do... creating a

confused minded soceity...

Other than that, the non hindus who intrude inside the temple are cowards,

because they hide inside and against the rule...

2.Beleving Guruvayoorappan and Being Hindu both are different things... Let

him leave the christian soceity and come to Hindu soceity, he will be more

welcomed. Can he??? dont say Bhakthi doesn't have difference of releigion,

Guruvayoorappan dont object... blablabla... You well know that Guruvayoorappan

will not come and object it .

This is the " Sabham " of hindus being broad minded and getting critisiszed.

3 & 4. The dress code should be controlled strictly. If you want to visit

Guruvayoorappan you should do sacrifice little of the materila pleassures for

him. why dont?

(The hindus are becoming worst now a days, need to go to Sabarimal by

aeroplane too.. not ready to harm themself and ruin the ego by practising the

real ways)

5. About the Kids, This the parents should take care of. The period inside the

temple is limited. For a dharsaanam maximu you need only 1 hour time in the peak

traffic period... make your kid comfortable after nursing it well.. it may not

feel to do so... dont give the foods which may cause problem...

and this type of cries should be neglected.

Dont impose false broadmindedness to cover up the false stands to acheive the

luxuries in the temple compound too... not ready to compromise... not ready to

sacrifice.... poor fellows...

Poor hindus running behind the material pleassures... going to the temple only

for gaining the worldly pleassure... Guruvayoorappan never need these peoples

too... Dear brothers and Sisters, wake up and look arround, and listen and learn

from the facts...

Clear your mind welll.. dont keep this type of unwanted broad mentality...

better to prevent than cure..

take care...

regards,

Mohan Nair <raghaveeyam wrote:

Om Namo Narayana!!!!

When I sent a copy of Navaneetham issue to my brother he wrote a letter to me

which is as follows:

" Guruvayurappan does not believe in caste or dress of his devotees but Devassam

Board officials does. Few examples are as follows:

1. A nair friend of mine is married to a Christian girl and now settled in

Trichur. She is also a devotee of Guruvayurappan. She goes to Church every

Sunday and whenever she gets time she goes to Guruvayur temple also to have

darshan. No objection from any quarter as the officials does not know that she

is a Christian but Guruvayurappan knows. He has not yet stopped her visiting the

temple.

2. Jesudas's devotional songs are being aired in Guruvayurappan temple but he is

not allowed to enter the temple. He is a firm believer of Guruvayurappan as he

does in the case of Dharmasastha.

3. Pant is not allowed in Temple but many devotees fold it to the knee and on

that wear a 'Mund'. Guruvayurappan has no objection.

4. Salwar kameez is not allowed in temple but many ladies hide it behind Saree.

5. If a child or someone vomits in the temple complex special puja is imposed.

Is it for making money or something else?

In the name of God our Devassam Board officials do all types of objectionable

acts but nobody objects. If someone objects he is being abused. Money means what

money does. "

I will appreciate it very much if someone can give a satisfactory reply to this

devotee.

Om Namo Narayana

Mohan Nair

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June 13, 2006

HARI AUM

Very nice of you for expressing your genuine concerns.

I suggest that matters of such administrative natures

can be forwarded to the Administrator, Guruvayoor

Devaswom.

At the end of the day when we manage a large number of

people, one has to put in some rules and regulations .

The adventurous and enterprising persons do sometimes

violates them.

I think at the end of the day it is the strength and

depth of our devotion that matters.

Let us do every bit to vitalise it.

Regards

Balagopal

NARAYANA NARAYANA NARAYANA

--- Mohan Nair <raghaveeyam wrote:

> Om Namo Narayana!!!!

>

> When I sent a copy of Navaneetham issue to my

> brother he wrote a letter to me which is as follows:

>

> " Guruvayurappan does not believe in caste or dress

> of his devotees but Devassam Board officials does.

> Few examples are as follows:

>

> 1. A nair friend of mine is married to a

> Christian girl and now settled in Trichur. She is

> also a devotee of Guruvayurappan. She goes to

> Church every Sunday and whenever she gets time she

> goes to Guruvayur temple also to have darshan. No

> objection from any quarter as the officials does not

> know that she is a Christian but Guruvayurappan

> knows. He has not yet stopped her visiting the

> temple.

>

> 2. Jesudas's devotional songs are being aired in

> Guruvayurappan temple but he is not allowed to enter

> the temple. He is a firm believer of Guruvayurappan

> as he does in the case of Dharmasastha.

>

> 3. Pant is not allowed in Temple but many devotees

> fold it to the knee and on that wear a 'Mund'.

> Guruvayurappan has no objection.

>

> 4. Salwar kameez is not allowed in temple but many

> ladies hide it behind Saree.

>

> 5. If a child or someone vomits in the temple

> complex special puja is imposed. Is it for making

> money or something else?

>

> In the name of God our Devassam Board officials do

> all types of objectionable acts but nobody objects.

> If someone objects he is being abused. Money means

> what money does. "

>

> I will appreciate it very much if someone can give

> a satisfactory reply to this devotee.

>

> Om Namo Narayana

>

> Mohan Nair

>

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Om namo narayana!

Dear all,

Restrictions are sometimes irritating but if we think for a while it will be

interesting:

Just think the day there is no restrictions for anything in Guruvayoor Temple!

1. Bhagawan shree krishna said in GITA:

" Whosoever comes to Me, through whatsoever form, I reach him; all men are

struggling through paths which in the end lead to Me. "

In Guruvayoor, Nobody is asking which castes you belong to but there is a

board says " Ahindukkalkku akathekku praveshanailla " (Non-hindus are not allowed

to enter in the temple). This doesn't mean that if you are a christian you

cannot go in, but according to the rules of the temple you can enter. Hinduism

is not a religion, it is a way of life.

2. Jesudas is a public Icon. If he permitted, it will be an execuse to all the

christians and other religions to enter into the temple without any barriers.

Already the temple is full of Devotees. I request all others please excuse.

3. Let us see all the people in one form. Let everyone wear our traditional

Kerala Mundu. what make it difference? Even our former president

Sri.Venkittaraman and other presidents entered in the same way.

(One more thing, " Mundu " is a nice dress. Every one should experience atleast

in front of our beloved Bhagawan).

4. Let our women to wear the traditional saree. In this modern world, our

women are also running behind fashion. Let us forget the fashion atleast in the

temple and be traditional.

5. Yes, It may be money making. This must be questioned and should be

eliminated. " Punnyaham " is enough for anything happened as such and not to be

charged to devotees since he is already vested so much in the

" Bhandarams "

There are lots of abusive manners in the temple and surroundings. But our

purpose is not to look on that.

Let the restrictions remain there and Let us pray to our beloved bhagawan.

Krishna..Guruvayoorappa..

Murali

Mohan Nair <raghaveeyam wrote:

Om Namo Narayana!!!!

When I sent a copy of Navaneetham issue to my brother he wrote a letter to me

which is as follows:

" Guruvayurappan does not believe in caste or dress of his devotees but Devassam

Board officials does. Few examples are as follows:

1. A nair friend of mine is married to a Christian girl and now settled in

Trichur. She is also a devotee of Guruvayurappan. She goes to Church every

Sunday and whenever she gets time she goes to Guruvayur temple also to have

darshan. No objection from any quarter as the officials does not know that she

is a Christian but Guruvayurappan knows. He has not yet stopped her visiting the

temple.

2. Jesudas's devotional songs are being aired in Guruvayurappan temple but he is

not allowed to enter the temple. He is a firm believer of Guruvayurappan as he

does in the case of Dharmasastha.

3. Pant is not allowed in Temple but many devotees fold it to the knee and on

that wear a 'Mund'. Guruvayurappan has no objection.

4. Salwar kameez is not allowed in temple but many ladies hide it behind Saree.

5. If a child or someone vomits in the temple complex special puja is imposed.

Is it for making money or something else?

In the name of God our Devassam Board officials do all types of objectionable

acts but nobody objects. If someone objects he is being abused. Money means what

money does. "

I will appreciate it very much if someone can give a satisfactory reply to this

devotee.

Om Namo Narayana

Mohan Nair

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June 13, 2006

Ohm Namo Narrayanaya; Om Namo Bhagavathea Vasudevaya

The Thandris and Astrologers says " Bhagavan is not So

Innocent as Like Children " . That's why in any of the

temples its written that Parents should take care of

children. If they made mistakes like Vomiting, Passed

urine like occurred they should have to pay for

Punyaham. Its not the rules at Guruvayoor. Its

applicable in all the Temples in Kerala.

Ohm namo bhagavathe vasudevaya; Ohm Namo Narrayanaya

Keerthi Kumar V Menon

Bahrain

--- Murali Ambala Kolliyil

<muraliambalakolliyil wrote:

> Om namo narayana!

>

> Dear all,

>

> Restrictions are sometimes irritating but if we

> think for a while it will be interesting:

>

> Just think the day there is no restrictions for

> anything in Guruvayoor Temple!

>

> 1. Bhagawan shree krishna said in GITA:

> " Whosoever comes to Me, through whatsoever form, I

> reach him; all men are struggling through paths

> which in the end lead to Me. "

> In Guruvayoor, Nobody is asking which castes you

> belong to but there is a board says " Ahindukkalkku

> akathekku praveshanailla " (Non-hindus are not

> allowed to enter in the temple). This doesn't mean

> that if you are a christian you cannot go in, but

> according to the rules of the temple you can enter.

> Hinduism is not a religion, it is a way of life.

>

> 2. Jesudas is a public Icon. If he permitted, it

> will be an execuse to all the christians and other

> religions to enter into the temple without any

> barriers. Already the temple is full of Devotees. I

> request all others please excuse.

>

> 3. Let us see all the people in one form. Let

> everyone wear our traditional Kerala Mundu. what

> make it difference? Even our former president

> Sri.Venkittaraman and other presidents entered in

> the same way.

> (One more thing, " Mundu " is a nice dress. Every

> one should experience atleast in front of our

> beloved Bhagawan).

>

> 4. Let our women to wear the traditional saree.

> In this modern world, our women are also running

> behind fashion. Let us forget the fashion atleast

> in the temple and be traditional.

>

> 5. Yes, It may be money making. This must be

> questioned and should be eliminated. " Punnyaham " is

> enough for anything happened as such and not to be

> charged to devotees since he is already vested so

> much in the

> " Bhandarams "

>

> There are lots of abusive manners in the temple

> and surroundings. But our purpose is not to look on

> that.

> Let the restrictions remain there and Let us pray

> to our beloved bhagawan.

>

> Krishna..Guruvayoorappa..

> Murali

>

> Mohan Nair <raghaveeyam wrote:

> Om Namo Narayana!!!!

>

> When I sent a copy of Navaneetham issue to my

> brother he wrote a letter to me which is as follows:

>

> " Guruvayurappan does not believe in caste or dress

> of his devotees but Devassam Board officials does.

> Few examples are as follows:

>

> 1. A nair friend of mine is married to a Christian

> girl and now settled in Trichur. She is also a

> devotee of Guruvayurappan. She goes to Church every

> Sunday and whenever she gets time she goes to

> Guruvayur temple also to have darshan. No objection

> from any quarter as the officials does not know that

> she is a Christian but Guruvayurappan knows. He has

> not yet stopped her visiting the temple.

>

> 2. Jesudas's devotional songs are being aired in

> Guruvayurappan temple but he is not allowed to enter

> the temple. He is a firm believer of Guruvayurappan

> as he does in the case of Dharmasastha.

>

> 3. Pant is not allowed in Temple but many devotees

> fold it to the knee and on that wear a 'Mund'.

> Guruvayurappan has no objection.

>

> 4. Salwar kameez is not allowed in temple but many

> ladies hide it behind Saree.

>

> 5. If a child or someone vomits in the temple

> complex special puja is imposed. Is it for making

> money or something else?

>

> In the name of God our Devassam Board officials do

> all types of objectionable acts but nobody objects.

> If someone objects he is being abused. Money means

> what money does. "

>

> I will appreciate it very much if someone can give a

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Dear Devotees,

Guruvayur temple Pooja rules and regulations was ordered or designed by none

other than Our Great Sri Sankaracharya, so what ever he said is being

followed now. And there is also an incident behind it, when Sankaracharya

was travelling through the sky, he never stopped at Guruvayur Temple to

worship Gurupavanapuresan. Suddenly his Siddhi was gone and fell down on the

Nalambalam, since Acharya knows what really happened he paid his respects

and done pooja to Gurupavanapuresan and ordered the Pooja Vidhi to Guruvayur

Temple, and that is followed now also.

See THINGS AND RULES CAN BE CHANGED BY GURUVAYURAPPAN in a Second. so there

is no point of complaining, HE is having a greater reason for any thing

happening in this world than we withour tiny intellect criticise.

If any body can protest , please protest against conversion of religions and

pass a strong anti-conversion bill as law in India. First of all this

evangalisation should stop. And declare India as a Hindu country instead of

pseudo secularism now being practiced for the benefit of minority religion.

And HE alone knows when where how it can be changed! we can only pray! Mass

prayers give more benefit.

With Love & OM!

Krishna Prasad

> Krishna Prasad

>

> Dare to give up the comfort of the 'known' and venture into the 'unknown'

> The more we know, the more we will come to realize what we do not know.

> If we want to achieve our true potential and live life to the fullest.

>

> As Poojya Gurudev said it,

>

> " Open your eyes. Burst your shell.

> Spread your wings and fly! "

>

> Swami Chinmayananda

> Hate not the sinner - hate the sin; and always hate the sin even with an

> excess of hatred. "

>

June 14, 2006

Dear Gopi,

This line of thought will not help to increase and

spread the bhakti to Guruvayoorappan, beyond the

shores of India. Staunch devotees can be born

anywhere.

If we limit entry to Guruvayoor only for the " born "

Hindus, we are limiting Guruvayoorappan's mercy from

spreading far and wide. He is Jagannatha - Lord of the

universe. Every single living entity belongs to Him.

In Tirupati, anyone can enter the temple. You just

have to sign a form before entering the temple,

accepting Venkatachalpathy as your Lord. Doesn't

matter -christian/muslim/european/indian. In

Guruvayoor also, there is a provision to enter for

non-hindus, if they can sign a paper to show proof

that they are following Hinduism. This is a long

procedure which takes a few months.

We should open heartedly welcome one and all to

experience and appreciate the Mercy of the Lord of

Guruvayoor. But, don't forget the metal detectors.

Hare Krishna

Abhilash

--- GOPI NAIR <gopi_nair37 wrote:

> Dear Mohan,

>

> As you say everything he knows, he will give the

> result too...

>

> If there is some rituals which is practised from

> the vedic period, it has its own reasons and purity.

>

> Yha. I agreed the workers they play well there in

> the services to Bhagthas...

>

> As this forum is for Bhakthi, i would request the

> moderator to forgive me and go little beyond that.

>

> 1. Getting married to a Christian Girl is not a

> sin, in the puranic days also our anchestors get

> married with Yawana Girls.. in historic days too...

> but the difference is, on those days the hindus are

> well litterate about their Sanadhana Dharma way of

> life, and they know what is Kharma and Dharma,. They

> are very intelligent and courageous. Never worried

> about the Fate. Now we are not having the courage

> and doing all sinful acts and running behind the

> temples and astrologers to overcome, if failed we

> curse the fate. But not ready to realize the wrong

> is with in us.

>

> Be loyal to yourself first. As i dont know you

> personnally, we hindus are wearing a mask of pseudo

> secularism to cover the illitracy about our own.

>

> We cant blame Guruvayoorappan fro our mistakes, as

> you say he has not stopped her visiting the temple,

> are you challanging him?

> May be she is a devotee of our Bhagawan

> Unnikkannan but still goes to Church... travelling

> in two boats... what will her kids do... creating a

> confused minded soceity...

> Other than that, the non hindus who intrude inside

> the temple are cowards, because they hide inside and

> against the rule...

>

> 2.Beleving Guruvayoorappan and Being Hindu both

> are different things... Let him leave the christian

> soceity and come to Hindu soceity, he will be more

> welcomed. Can he??? dont say Bhakthi doesn't have

> difference of releigion, Guruvayoorappan dont

> object... blablabla... You well know that

> Guruvayoorappan will not come and object it .

> This is the " Sabham " of hindus being broad minded

> and getting critisiszed.

>

> 3 & 4. The dress code should be controlled

> strictly. If you want to visit Guruvayoorappan you

> should do sacrifice little of the materila

> pleassures for him. why dont?

> (The hindus are becoming worst now a days, need to

> go to Sabarimal by aeroplane too.. not ready to harm

> themself and ruin the ego by practising the real

> ways)

>

> 5. About the Kids, This the parents should take

> care of. The period inside the temple is limited.

> For a dharsaanam maximu you need only 1 hour time in

> the peak traffic period... make your kid comfortable

> after nursing it well.. it may not feel to do so...

> dont give the foods which may cause problem...

>

> and this type of cries should be neglected.

> Dont impose false broadmindedness to cover up the

> false stands to acheive the luxuries in the temple

> compound too... not ready to compromise... not ready

> to sacrifice.... poor fellows...

>

> Poor hindus running behind the material

> pleassures... going to the temple only for gaining

> the worldly pleassure... Guruvayoorappan never need

> these peoples too... Dear brothers and Sisters, wake

> up and look arround, and listen and learn from the

> facts...

>

> Clear your mind welll.. dont keep this type of

> unwanted broad mentality... better to prevent than

> cure..

>

> take care...

>

> regards,

>

> Mohan Nair <raghaveeyam wrote:

> Om Namo Narayana!!!!

>

> When I sent a copy of Navaneetham issue to my

> brother he wrote a letter to me which is as follows:

>

> " Guruvayurappan does not believe in caste or dress

> of his devotees but Devassam Board officials does.

> Few examples are as follows:

>

> 1. A nair friend of mine is married to a Christian

> girl and now settled in Trichur. She is also a

> devotee of Guruvayurappan. She goes to Church every

> Sunday and whenever she gets time she goes to

> Guruvayur temple also to have darshan. No objection

> from any quarter as the officials does not know that

> she is a Christian but Guruvayurappan knows. He has

> not yet stopped her visiting the temple.

>

> 2. Jesudas's devotional songs are being aired in

> Guruvayurappan temple but he is not allowed to enter

> the temple. He is a firm believer of Guruvayurappan

> as he does in the case of Dharmasastha.

>

> 3. Pant is not allowed in Temple but many devotees

> fold it to the knee and on that wear a 'Mund'.

> Guruvayurappan has no objection.

>

> 4. Salwar kameez is not allowed in temple but many

> ladies hide it behind Saree.

>

> 5. If a child or someone vomits in the temple

> complex special puja is imposed. Is it for making

> money or something else?

>

> In the name of God our Devassam Board officials do

> all types of objectionable acts but nobody objects.

> If someone objects he is being abused. Money means

> what money does. "

>

> I will appreciate it very much if someone can give a

> satisfactory reply to this devotee.

>

> Om Namo Narayana

>

> Mohan Nair

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June 14, 2006

Ohm Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya!!!!

In Hindu temples pooja and regulations are according to some scientific

aspects.

That is not because of any blind belief.

Why men are not allowed to wear shirts?

The purpose of this, when you reach nalambalam especially sree kovil, very

near to the Bhagavan’s idol it is transmitting an energy or some kinds of waves

to you to your soul to boost your positive energy. It should directly interact

with your body. For receiving maximum of this energy we should wear simple,

flexible and clean dresses. Sri Melshanthi himself expressed that at any kind of

weather out side , while doing the poojas to Bhagavan he sweats like anything

due to the immense of heat produced from the sacred bimba of Bhagavan.

Why a child or someone vomits in the temple complex special pooja is imposed?

As I mentioned earlier, in side the temple complex there is enormous

positive energy due to Bhagavns presence , mantras and dheepam and all.

The vomiting or some kind these things are cause of the negative energy .

This will affect the chaithyam of Bhagavan also .To compensate with this they

insisted for 'punnyaham'.

It is scientifically proved that the water in a bottle is purified by

chanting mantras by eliminating the negative energy from the molecules of the

water.

Why Non Hindus are not allowed?

As so many are said Hinduism is not a religion but a culture . Who ever is

accepting this culture, we can say Hindu. As a person sri yesudas, he is cent

percent to allow to the temple , while there is no specific justification or

measure to prove his acceptance and level of Hinduism . This will lead other non

Hindus to a provocation.

My suggestion is to perform a ‘Devaprasnam ‘ to see Bhagavans desires in this

regard - that also how may non Hindus are there wishing to see the sacred feet

of our Bhagavan…

Ohm Namo Narayana!!!

Rajesh Menon

Dubai

Mohan Nair <raghaveeyam wrote:

Om Namo Narayana!!!!

When I sent a copy of Navaneetham issue to my brother he wrote a letter to me

which is as follows:

" Guruvayurappan does not believe in caste or dress of his devotees but Devassam

Board officials does. Few examples are as follows:

1. A nair friend of mine is married to a Christian girl and now settled in

Trichur. She is also a devotee of Guruvayurappan. She goes to Church every

Sunday and whenever she gets time she goes to Guruvayur temple also to have

darshan. No objection from any quarter as the officials does not know that she

is a Christian but Guruvayurappan knows. He has not yet stopped her visiting the

temple.

2. Jesudas's devotional songs are being aired in Guruvayurappan temple but he is

not allowed to enter the temple. He is a firm believer of Guruvayurappan as he

does in the case of Dharmasastha.

3. Pant is not allowed in Temple but many devotees fold it to the knee and on

that wear a 'Mund'. Guruvayurappan has no objection.

4. Salwar kameez is not allowed in temple but many ladies hide it behind Saree.

5. If a child or someone vomits in the temple complex special puja is imposed.

Is it for making money or something else?

In the name of God our Devassam Board officials do all types of objectionable

acts but nobody objects. If someone objects he is being abused. Money means what

money does. "

I will appreciate it very much if someone can give a satisfactory reply to this

devotee.

Om Namo Narayana

Mohan Nair

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June 14, 2006

Hare Krishna ! Guruvayurappa !

I am sorry to say that most arguments in this forum

to prevent Christians and Muslims from entering the

temple are not backed by any kind of logic. There is

no use arguing on a purely emotional basis with.

I am giving this reply, keeping in tune with the

tone and tenor of some of the members.

Has any of us got a concrete answer from the

Guruvayur temple authorities why it is that only

" Hindus " are allowed inside? Not to mention the fact

that the very term HINDU is certainly not one of Vedic

origin?????

Please recollect that it is only as recent as 1936

that Guruvayur temple has been opened to people of all

castes in " Hinduism " (Temple Entry Proclamation).

Before that only Brahmanas could enter the temple and

offer prayers on a daily basis. So, shall I infer that

in the original scheme of things at Guruvayur, only

Brahmanas had a place and the rest were not to be

allowed? Going by your arguments, did the Temple

Entry Proclamation of 1936 not amount to a BLATANT

violation of Sri Sankaracharya's original plan /

rules? Was any effort taken at that time to ascertain

the choice / liking of our dear Guruvayurappan ? or

was it a Political decision? So shall I infer that the

entry of " Hindus " other than brahmanas is a violation

going on on a second to second basis? Why nobody is

talking about that?

If a decision to the effect of allowing all castes to

enter can be taken, why not people of all religions?

Did the Guruvayur temple authorities rewrite their

rules?

The situation under discussion now is also not very

different. We are whimsically and fanatically holding

on to rules, rules and rules forgetting the very

purpose for which they stand. If the thanthri or

somebody else has laid down the rules, he should be

able to tell why such a rule exists - what is its

purpose? We should have a definite set of rules and

there should be explainable Vedic wisdom to justify

the existence of such rules. (I am not objecting to

the Vedic traditions - but only the unscientific way

they are handled & justified by people to their

personal advantage - the Vedas are certainly the

original science)

Regarding rules, the Padma Purana states:

smarthavya satatam Vishnu vismarthavyo na jatucit.

sarve vidhi nishedhaah syuh etayor eva kinkarah.

" Always remember Vishnu, Never forget Vishnu. All the

rules & prohibitions (Dos & Donts) should be servants

of these two principles. " ---Padma Purana.

Sanathana Dharma is certainly NOT a fanatic set of

RULES as some of this forum members are trying to make

out.

Let us not be FANATICS.

And there is no merit in fighting among ourselves in

the name of Hindu-ISM, ChristianITY, Islam, Buddh-ISM,

Jain-ISM, Commun-ISM, Secular-ISM, Communal-ISM, this

ISM, that ISM or anything else for that matter which

are all ultimately based on our body and birth. Only

those who fail to recognize every living being as an

" amsha " of our dear Unnikrishnan fight in the name of

these silly ISMs. We have to understand that we are

not this body - that is the beginning of spiritual

life. But based on one's birth, we have so many

divisions of so called religions and castes. The very

word religion (dharma) is that which is actually

spoken by the Lord. dharmam tu saakshaad bhagavat

praneetham - says the Srimad Bhagavatam.

Please also remember that Lord Guruvayurappan is

above all -ISMs and all so called religions. He is

more powerful than any of the Religious Conversionists

or any of the Ministers or Prime Ministers or

Presidents or Kings of this country or any other

country, planet or cosmos. If today, we are

complaining of large scale religious conversions, it

is simply because our own brethren have forgotten Sri

Guruvayurappan and we have not taken any real steps to

instil faith in the Lord in the minds of the people.

We are trying to build a Rama-Rajya without any place

for Rama. That is our folly. First of all let each and

everyone of us in this group practise Krishna bhakti

with great vigour and let us educate our brothers to

practise this topmost science & yoga of Krishna Bhakti

so that nobody will want to leave the shelter of Sri

Guruvayurappan.

I understand that my remarks on an earlier occassion

on the same topic were not very welcome in this forum,

because I speak the truth as it is, whether it hurts

someone or not. We have to learn to understand the

stark reality and not hide behind and find comfort

from illusions of this ISM or that religion etc.

Sri Guruvayurappan is the topmost.

There is no truth superior to Him.

Our fears (against other religions, conversions

etc)are all unfounded as they arise from the material

mind on account of identification with the body. If we

go beyond the material senses and surrender ourselves

wholeheartedly to Sri Guruvayurappan who is beyond the

3 gunas, then we will have no more fear.

yad bibhedi svayam bhayam - Even fear personified

fears the Lord !

I pray that may Sri Guruvayurappan bless us all with

unswerving devotional service at His Lotus Feet and

give us good intelligence to serve Him always.

-Sriram

=========

--- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote:

> >

> > Hari OM!

> >

>

> Dear Devotees,

>

> Guruvayur temple Pooja rules and regulations was

> ordered or designed by none

> other than Our Great Sri Sankaracharya, so what ever

> he said is being

> followed now. And there is also an incident behind

> it, when Sankaracharya

> was travelling through the sky, he never stopped at

> Guruvayur Temple to

> worship Gurupavanapuresan. Suddenly his Siddhi was

> gone and fell down on the

> Nalambalam, since Acharya knows what really happened

> he paid his respects

> and done pooja to Gurupavanapuresan and ordered the

> Pooja Vidhi to Guruvayur

> Temple, and that is followed now also.

>

> See THINGS AND RULES CAN BE CHANGED BY

> GURUVAYURAPPAN in a Second. so there

> is no point of complaining, HE is having a greater

> reason for any thing

> happening in this world than we withour tiny

> intellect criticise.

>

> If any body can protest , please protest against

> conversion of religions and

> pass a strong anti-conversion bill as law in India.

> First of all this

> evangalisation should stop. And declare India as a

> Hindu country instead of

> pseudo secularism now being practiced for the

> benefit of minority religion.

>

> And HE alone knows when where how it can be changed!

> we can only pray! Mass

> prayers give more benefit.

>

> With Love & OM!

>

> Krishna Prasad

>

> > Krishna Prasad

> >

> > Dare to give up the comfort of the 'known' and

> venture into the 'unknown'

> > The more we know, the more we will come to realize

> what we do not know.

> > If we want to achieve our true potential and live

> life to the fullest.

> >

> > As Poojya Gurudev said it,

> >

> > " Open your eyes. Burst your shell.

> > Spread your wings and fly! "

> >

> > Swami Chinmayananda

> > Hate not the sinner - hate the sin; and always

> hate the sin even with an

> > excess of hatred. "

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

June 14, 2006

Ohm Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya; Ohm namo Narrayanaya

I read Mr. Gopalakrishna's comments. According to him,

he is correct. He is a patiant. The DEvaswam officials

will think, if everybody in queue is saying like this

what will they do ? On that time you if try to meet

any senior officials of Guruvayoor Devaswam, certainly

they will help you.

And the main thing I know Bhagavan Swayam will heply

you, if you could have so much " bhakthi on him.

Because I have so many examples in my hand of his

kindness. I and my family members entertained his

kindness so many times. One incident I know is as

follows.

One family settled at Ernakulam came to Guruvayoor

before 4 years. They were 4 members Father, Mother,

their daughter and son. Their daughter was studying in

well known Convent school at Ernakulam. She dont have

faith in Hindu rituals. She was prying with church and

all her friends were christians. When they reached

there, there was large number of peoples were in

queue. By seeing this their daughter told them that

she dont want to have darshan, she is going back.

Thenthe mother told her never never say like this

inside the temple. Then the daughter added that she

dont have faith. They took Pradikshinam outside the

temple and stood near to the " Dhwaja Sthambam " . Then

one Devaswam worker came to them and told them to come

to to the temple by opening the gate infront of the

Valiya Balikkal. But he dont allowed their daughter to

go inside the temple. He told he will not permit her

to go to temple that way. Then the father said I will

wait here with her. The Devaswam man told him No, No.

While Guruvayoorappan is here, why you fear. Leave her

here. While they came back they wont see that

security. Their dauthter was crying on that position.

They feared something was happened. Nothing happened

to her and after that she is good devotee of

Guruvayoorappan.

Ohm Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya; Ohm Namo Narrayanaya

Keerthi kumar V Menon

bahrain

--- " K.V Gopalakrishna " <gopalakrishna.kv

wrote:

> Dear all,

> There is truth and wisdom in what Mr. Mohan Nair has

> written. I too

> have observed the same things. When I went to

> guruvayoor temple a few

> months after my heart bypass surgery and was feeling

> uneasy standing in

> the que, somebody in the queue advised me to request

> the person in

> charge to send me in bypassing the queue as a

> special case. My request

> turned to deaf ears, and I was told that if one is

> sick, he should not

> come to the temple.

>

> What a logic? Out of thousands of devotees who

> throng the temple,

> quite a number of them come to have darshan and get

> cured of their

> sickness in their firm belief on guruvayoorappan.

> Take Narayana

> Bhattatiri's case for instance. I decided to

> continue in the queue

> praying to the Lord that nothing untoward should

> happen. And He showed

> His grace on me.

>

> What I feel is that the officials are going by their

> manual, without

> using any discretion. Wearing a pant/shirt/dhotie

> is after all, in the

> devotees' own interest. The theory is that

> people should keep

> their chests open, as men are supposed to receive

> positive energy

> from chanting of the Lord's names etc., throug the

> bare body, and the

> ladies through the ornaments they wear. Thar is

> one reason it is said

> that women should wear some metallic ornament,

> however small itis, when

> they go to the temple. Not to exhibit their

> ornamental wealth.

>

> Regards

> K.V. Gopalakrishna. wsebmaster,

> www.narayaneeyam.com

>

> Mohan Nair wrote:

>

> >Om Namo Narayana!!!!

> >

> > When I sent a copy of Navaneetham issue to my

> brother he wrote a letter to me which is as follows:

> >

> > " Guruvayurappan does not believe in caste or

> dress of his devotees but Devassam Board officials

> does. Few examples are as follows:

> >

> > 1. A nair friend of mine is married to a

> Christian girl and now settled in Trichur. She is

> also a devotee of Guruvayurappan. She goes to

> Church every Sunday and whenever she gets time she

> goes to Guruvayur temple also to have darshan. No

> objection from any quarter as the officials does not

> know that she is a Christian but Guruvayurappan

> knows. He has not yet stopped her visiting the

> temple.

> >

> > 2. Jesudas's devotional songs are being aired in

> Guruvayurappan temple but he is not allowed to enter

> the temple. He is a firm believer of Guruvayurappan

> as he does in the case of Dharmasastha.

> >

> > 3. Pant is not allowed in Temple but many

> devotees fold it to the knee and on that wear a

> 'Mund'. Guruvayurappan has no objection.

> >

> > 4. Salwar kameez is not allowed in temple but

> many ladies hide it behind Saree.

> >

> > 5. If a child or someone vomits in the temple

> complex special puja is imposed. Is it for making

> money or something else?

> >

> > In the name of God our Devassam Board officials

> do all types of objectionable acts but nobody

> objects. If someone objects he is being abused.

> Money means what money does. "

> >

> > I will appreciate it very much if someone can

> give a satisfactory reply to this devotee.

> >

> > Om Namo Narayana

> >

> > Mohan Nair

> >

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June 14, 2006

Hari OM!

Dear Sriram,

You speak like a victim of evangalisation, I have only one question, if your

son or daugther wants to marry even other than your caste are you ready to

accept it sir??? (for example a non-Brahmin assuming that you are one) at

that time we shall see all this vedic wisdom will melt away, like the snow

melts in the Sun.

do ajapa japa instead of arguing with Kutarkams Sir.

Hindus or people following Sanatana Dharma should follow Ahimsa. in thought

word or deed. But the other side isms will never understand this.

No point in continuing this subject and this is not the forum to aruge

ourselves. be practical Sriram. For argument sake people can write like

Swami Vivekananda. but in practice. then all the Brahmanisms, and stuff

comes out without your knowledge. And the true colour can be seen then.

Yes, People who born as Hindus only should enter Guruvayur and that is the

decision of our Guruvayurappan for now. and it can be changed whenever HE

wishes.

Remember we cannot change people, only Born Prodigies like Saints can do

that.Our job is only to pray. Ajapa Japa...

My dear Sir, this beyond body, mind, intellect stuff is only for our

understanding during meditation, this is not to be spread like a religion.

And it is to be spoken as a secret, this is what happens people never

studies Shastra properly under a Satguru and take purana and stories to

quote from here and there which is totally irrelavant for the context.

With Love & OM!

Krishna Prasad

On 6/14/06, SRIRAM SUBRAMANIAN <abheri wrote:

>

> Hare Krishna ! Guruvayurappa !

> I am sorry to say that most arguments in this forum

> to prevent Christians and Muslims from entering the

> temple are not backed by any kind of logic. There is

> no use arguing on a purely emotional basis with.

>

> I am giving this reply, keeping in tune with the

> tone and tenor of some of the members.

>

> Has any of us got a concrete answer from the

> Guruvayur temple authorities why it is that only

> " Hindus " are allowed inside? Not to mention the fact

> that the very term HINDU is certainly not one of Vedic

> origin?????

>

> Please recollect that it is only as recent as 1936

> that Guruvayur temple has been opened to people of all

>

> castes in " Hinduism " (Temple Entry Proclamation).

> Before that only Brahmanas could enter the temple and

> offer prayers on a daily basis. So, shall I infer that

> in the original scheme of things at Guruvayur, only

> Brahmanas had a place and the rest were not to be

> allowed? Going by your arguments, did the Temple

> Entry Proclamation of 1936 not amount to a BLATANT

> violation of Sri Sankaracharya's original plan /

> rules? Was any effort taken at that time to ascertain

> the choice / liking of our dear Guruvayurappan ? or

> was it a Political decision? So shall I infer that the

> entry of " Hindus " other than brahmanas is a violation

> going on on a second to second basis? Why nobody is

> talking about that?

>

> If a decision to the effect of allowing all castes to

> enter can be taken, why not people of all religions?

> Did the Guruvayur temple authorities rewrite their

> rules?

>

> The situation under discussion now is also not very

> different. We are whimsically and fanatically holding

> on to rules, rules and rules forgetting the very

> purpose for which they stand. If the thanthri or

> somebody else has laid down the rules, he should be

> able to tell why such a rule exists - what is its

> purpose? We should have a definite set of rules and

> there should be explainable Vedic wisdom to justify

> the existence of such rules. (I am not objecting to

> the Vedic traditions - but only the unscientific way

> they are handled & justified by people to their

> personal advantage - the Vedas are certainly the

> original science)

>

> Regarding rules, the Padma Purana states:

>

> smarthavya satatam Vishnu vismarthavyo na jatucit.

> sarve vidhi nishedhaah syuh etayor eva kinkarah.

>

> " Always remember Vishnu, Never forget Vishnu. All the

> rules & prohibitions (Dos & Donts) should be servants

> of these two principles. " ---Padma Purana.

>

> Sanathana Dharma is certainly NOT a fanatic set of

> RULES as some of this forum members are trying to make

> out.

>

> Let us not be FANATICS.

>

> And there is no merit in fighting among ourselves in

> the name of Hindu-ISM, ChristianITY, Islam, Buddh-ISM,

> Jain-ISM, Commun-ISM, Secular-ISM, Communal-ISM, this

> ISM, that ISM or anything else for that matter which

> are all ultimately based on our body and birth. Only

> those who fail to recognize every living being as an

> " amsha " of our dear Unnikrishnan fight in the name of

> these silly ISMs. We have to understand that we are

> not this body - that is the beginning of spiritual

> life. But based on one's birth, we have so many

> divisions of so called religions and castes. The very

> word religion (dharma) is that which is actually

> spoken by the Lord. dharmam tu saakshaad bhagavat

> praneetham - says the Srimad Bhagavatam.

>

> Please also remember that Lord Guruvayurappan is

> above all -ISMs and all so called religions. He is

> more powerful than any of the Religious Conversionists

> or any of the Ministers or Prime Ministers or

> Presidents or Kings of this country or any other

> country, planet or cosmos. If today, we are

> complaining of large scale religious conversions, it

> is simply because our own brethren have forgotten Sri

> Guruvayurappan and we have not taken any real steps to

> instil faith in the Lord in the minds of the people.

> We are trying to build a Rama-Rajya without any place

> for Rama. That is our folly. First of all let each and

> everyone of us in this group practise Krishna bhakti

> with great vigour and let us educate our brothers to

> practise this topmost science & yoga of Krishna Bhakti

> so that nobody will want to leave the shelter of Sri

> Guruvayurappan.

>

> I understand that my remarks on an earlier occassion

> on the same topic were not very welcome in this forum,

> because I speak the truth as it is, whether it hurts

> someone or not. We have to learn to understand the

> stark reality and not hide behind and find comfort

> from illusions of this ISM or that religion etc.

>

> Sri Guruvayurappan is the topmost.

>

> There is no truth superior to Him.

>

> Our fears (against other religions, conversions

> etc)are all unfounded as they arise from the material

> mind on account of identification with the body. If we

> go beyond the material senses and surrender ourselves

> wholeheartedly to Sri Guruvayurappan who is beyond the

> 3 gunas, then we will have no more fear.

>

> yad bibhedi svayam bhayam - Even fear personified

> fears the Lord !

>

> I pray that may Sri Guruvayurappan bless us all with

> unswerving devotional service at His Lotus Feet and

> give us good intelligence to serve Him always.

> -Sriram

> =========

>

> --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 <rkrishp99%40gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> > >

> > > Hari OM!

> > >

> >

> > Dear Devotees,

> >

> > Guruvayur temple Pooja rules and regulations was

> > ordered or designed by none

> > other than Our Great Sri Sankaracharya, so what ever

> > he said is being

> > followed now. And there is also an incident behind

> > it, when Sankaracharya

> > was travelling through the sky, he never stopped at

> > Guruvayur Temple to

> > worship Gurupavanapuresan. Suddenly his Siddhi was

> > gone and fell down on the

> > Nalambalam, since Acharya knows what really happened

> > he paid his respects

> > and done pooja to Gurupavanapuresan and ordered the

> > Pooja Vidhi to Guruvayur

> > Temple, and that is followed now also.

> >

> > See THINGS AND RULES CAN BE CHANGED BY

> > GURUVAYURAPPAN in a Second. so there

> > is no point of complaining, HE is having a greater

> > reason for any thing

> > happening in this world than we withour tiny

> > intellect criticise.

> >

> > If any body can protest , please protest against

> > conversion of religions and

> > pass a strong anti-conversion bill as law in India.

> > First of all this

> > evangalisation should stop. And declare India as a

> > Hindu country instead of

> > pseudo secularism now being practiced for the

> > benefit of minority religion.

> >

> > And HE alone knows when where how it can be changed!

> > we can only pray! Mass

> > prayers give more benefit.

> >

> > With Love & OM!

> >

> > Krishna Prasad

> >

> > > Krishna Prasad

> > >

> > > Dare to give up the comfort of the 'known' and

> > venture into the 'unknown'

> > > The more we know, the more we will come to realize

> > what we do not know.

> > > If we want to achieve our true potential and live

> > life to the fullest.

> > >

> > > As Poojya Gurudev said it,

> > >

> > > " Open your eyes. Burst your shell.

> > > Spread your wings and fly! "

> > >

> > > Swami Chinmayananda

> > > Hate not the sinner - hate the sin; and always

> > hate the sin even with an

> > > excess of hatred. "

> > >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

>

--

Krishna Prasad

Dare to give up the comfort of the 'known' and venture into the 'unknown'

The more we know, the more we will come to realize what we do not know.

If we want to achieve our true potential and live life to the fullest.

As Poojya Gurudev said it,

" Open your eyes. Burst your shell.

Spread your wings and fly! "

Swami Chinmayananda

Hate not the sinner - hate the sin; and always hate the sin even with an

excess of hatred. "

June 14, 2006

Issuing a paper of acceptance in front of the Dewaswam officer, some what sounds

good... Guruvayoor Dewaswam should try this...

When we talk about the Krishna Bhakthas from other part of world, i am not

against them.. let them enjoy our unnikkannans prema...

Still when you marketize the Bhakthi culture, the purity is getting diluted by

providing special conciderations...

What is happening in Hindustan.... If we are not alert we will be the

looser...

The pseudos never think that the other releigious institutions should be

controled by the pseudo government... and we pseudos supports...

thats why the politicians say the " janangal kazhuthakalanu " ...

we are trained to accept everything... and show this helplessness as

" nirvikaratha " etc..

Srikrishnan should take another incarnation to become our Sarathi to ride us

in the correct path of knowledge...

Let us wait ..

Krishna Guruvayoorappa...

Abhilash Nair <abhilash_ramachandran wrote:

Dear Gopi,

This line of thought will not help to increase and

spread the bhakti to Guruvayoorappan, beyond the

shores of India. Staunch devotees can be born

anywhere.

If we limit entry to Guruvayoor only for the " born "

Hindus, we are limiting Guruvayoorappan's mercy from

spreading far and wide. He is Jagannatha - Lord of the

universe. Every single living entity belongs to Him.

In Tirupati, anyone can enter the temple. You just

have to sign a form before entering the temple,

accepting Venkatachalpathy as your Lord. Doesn't

matter -christian/muslim/european/indian. In

Guruvayoor also, there is a provision to enter for

non-hindus, if they can sign a paper to show proof

that they are following Hinduism. This is a long

procedure which takes a few months.

We should open heartedly welcome one and all to

experience and appreciate the Mercy of the Lord of

Guruvayoor. But, don't forget the metal detectors.

Hare Krishna

Abhilash

--- GOPI NAIR <gopi_nair37 wrote:

> Dear Mohan,

>

> As you say everything he knows, he will give the

> result too...

>

> If there is some rituals which is practised from

> the vedic period, it has its own reasons and purity.

>

> Yha. I agreed the workers they play well there in

> the services to Bhagthas...

>

> As this forum is for Bhakthi, i would request the

> moderator to forgive me and go little beyond that.

>

> 1. Getting married to a Christian Girl is not a

> sin, in the puranic days also our anchestors get

> married with Yawana Girls.. in historic days too...

> but the difference is, on those days the hindus are

> well litterate about their Sanadhana Dharma way of

> life, and they know what is Kharma and Dharma,. They

> are very intelligent and courageous. Never worried

> about the Fate. Now we are not having the courage

> and doing all sinful acts and running behind the

> temples and astrologers to overcome, if failed we

> curse the fate. But not ready to realize the wrong

> is with in us.

>

> Be loyal to yourself first. As i dont know you

> personnally, we hindus are wearing a mask of pseudo

> secularism to cover the illitracy about our own.

>

> We cant blame Guruvayoorappan fro our mistakes, as

> you say he has not stopped her visiting the temple,

> are you challanging him?

> May be she is a devotee of our Bhagawan

> Unnikkannan but still goes to Church... travelling

> in two boats... what will her kids do... creating a

> confused minded soceity...

> Other than that, the non hindus who intrude inside

> the temple are cowards, because they hide inside and

> against the rule...

>

> 2.Beleving Guruvayoorappan and Being Hindu both

> are different things... Let him leave the christian

> soceity and come to Hindu soceity, he will be more

> welcomed. Can he??? dont say Bhakthi doesn't have

> difference of releigion, Guruvayoorappan dont

> object... blablabla... You well know that

> Guruvayoorappan will not come and object it .

> This is the " Sabham " of hindus being broad minded

> and getting critisiszed.

>

> 3 & 4. The dress code should be controlled

> strictly. If you want to visit Guruvayoorappan you

> should do sacrifice little of the materila

> pleassures for him. why dont?

> (The hindus are becoming worst now a days, need to

> go to Sabarimal by aeroplane too.. not ready to harm

> themself and ruin the ego by practising the real

> ways)

>

> 5. About the Kids, This the parents should take

> care of. The period inside the temple is limited.

> For a dharsaanam maximu you need only 1 hour time in

> the peak traffic period... make your kid comfortable

> after nursing it well.. it may not feel to do so...

> dont give the foods which may cause problem...

>

> and this type of cries should be neglected.

> Dont impose false broadmindedness to cover up the

> false stands to acheive the luxuries in the temple

> compound too... not ready to compromise... not ready

> to sacrifice.... poor fellows...

>

> Poor hindus running behind the material

> pleassures... going to the temple only for gaining

> the worldly pleassure... Guruvayoorappan never need

> these peoples too... Dear brothers and Sisters, wake

> up and look arround, and listen and learn from the

> facts...

>

> Clear your mind welll.. dont keep this type of

> unwanted broad mentality... better to prevent than

> cure..

>

> take care...

>

> regards,

>

> Mohan Nair <raghaveeyam wrote:

> Om Namo Narayana!!!!

>

> When I sent a copy of Navaneetham issue to my

> brother he wrote a letter to me which is as follows:

>

> " Guruvayurappan does not believe in caste or dress

> of his devotees but Devassam Board officials does.

> Few examples are as follows:

>

> 1. A nair friend of mine is married to a Christian

> girl and now settled in Trichur. She is also a

> devotee of Guruvayurappan. She goes to Church every

> Sunday and whenever she gets time she goes to

> Guruvayur temple also to have darshan. No objection

> from any quarter as the officials does not know that

> she is a Christian but Guruvayurappan knows. He has

> not yet stopped her visiting the temple.

>

> 2. Jesudas's devotional songs are being aired in

> Guruvayurappan temple but he is not allowed to enter

> the temple. He is a firm believer of Guruvayurappan

> as he does in the case of Dharmasastha.

>

> 3. Pant is not allowed in Temple but many devotees

> fold it to the knee and on that wear a 'Mund'.

> Guruvayurappan has no objection.

>

> 4. Salwar kameez is not allowed in temple but many

> ladies hide it behind Saree.

>

> 5. If a child or someone vomits in the temple

> complex special puja is imposed. Is it for making

> money or something else?

>

> In the name of God our Devassam Board officials do

> all types of objectionable acts but nobody objects.

> If someone objects he is being abused. Money means

> what money does. "

>

> I will appreciate it very much if someone can give a

> satisfactory reply to this devotee.

>

> Om Namo Narayana

>

> Mohan Nair

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June 14, 2006

Dear Devotees,

Every one should be able to enter and have darshan of Shri Guruvaayurappan.

But it is very logical to say that if one goes there for Darshan he should

have

some idea what Bhagawan wants to convey us through Bhagavad Geetha.

Without knowing at least a little what he said the purpose will not be

served.

Like going to Sabarimala there is a duration at least for which the devotees

will follow certain rules to ensure some level of purity.

If Bhagawan said " Pathram pushpam bhalam thoyam'' and '' Yad karoshi yad

asnasi '' it is necessary to avoid meat eating before going for darshan

there.

So called Hindus also need to observe this.

This is what I feel logically right. Please pardon me if it hurts anyone's

sentiments.

Hare Guruvayoorappa.

SRIRAM SUBRAMANIAN <abheri wrote:

Hare Krishna ! Guruvayurappa !

I am sorry to say that most arguments in this forum

to prevent Christians and Muslims from entering the

temple are not backed by any kind of logic. There is

no use arguing on a purely emotional basis with.

I am giving this reply, keeping in tune with the

tone and tenor of some of the members.

Has any of us got a concrete answer from the

Guruvayur temple authorities why it is that only

" Hindus " are allowed inside? Not to mention the fact

that the very term HINDU is certainly not one of Vedic

origin?????

Please recollect that it is only as recent as 1936

that Guruvayur temple has been opened to people of all

castes in " Hinduism " (Temple Entry Proclamation).

Before that only Brahmanas could enter the temple and

offer prayers on a daily basis. So, shall I infer that

in the original scheme of things at Guruvayur, only

Brahmanas had a place and the rest were not to be

allowed? Going by your arguments, did the Temple

Entry Proclamation of 1936 not amount to a BLATANT

violation of Sri Sankaracharya's original plan /

rules? Was any effort taken at that time to ascertain

the choice / liking of our dear Guruvayurappan ? or

was it a Political decision? So shall I infer that the

entry of " Hindus " other than brahmanas is a violation

going on on a second to second basis? Why nobody is

talking about that?

If a decision to the effect of allowing all castes to

enter can be taken, why not people of all religions?

Did the Guruvayur temple authorities rewrite their

rules?

The situation under discussion now is also not very

different. We are whimsically and fanatically holding

on to rules, rules and rules forgetting the very

purpose for which they stand. If the thanthri or

somebody else has laid down the rules, he should be

able to tell why such a rule exists - what is its

purpose? We should have a definite set of rules and

there should be explainable Vedic wisdom to justify

the existence of such rules. (I am not objecting to

the Vedic traditions - but only the unscientific way

they are handled & justified by people to their

personal advantage - the Vedas are certainly the

original science)

Regarding rules, the Padma Purana states:

smarthavya satatam Vishnu vismarthavyo na jatucit.

sarve vidhi nishedhaah syuh etayor eva kinkarah.

" Always remember Vishnu, Never forget Vishnu. All the

rules & prohibitions (Dos & Donts) should be servants

of these two principles. " ---Padma Purana.

Sanathana Dharma is certainly NOT a fanatic set of

RULES as some of this forum members are trying to make

out.

Let us not be FANATICS.

And there is no merit in fighting among ourselves in

the name of Hindu-ISM, ChristianITY, Islam, Buddh-ISM,

Jain-ISM, Commun-ISM, Secular-ISM, Communal-ISM, this

ISM, that ISM or anything else for that matter which

are all ultimately based on our body and birth. Only

those who fail to recognize every living being as an

" amsha " of our dear Unnikrishnan fight in the name of

these silly ISMs. We have to understand that we are

not this body - that is the beginning of spiritual

life. But based on one's birth, we have so many

divisions of so called religions and castes. The very

word religion (dharma) is that which is actually

spoken by the Lord. dharmam tu saakshaad bhagavat

praneetham - says the Srimad Bhagavatam.

Please also remember that Lord Guruvayurappan is

above all -ISMs and all so called religions. He is

more powerful than any of the Religious Conversionists

or any of the Ministers or Prime Ministers or

Presidents or Kings of this country or any other

country, planet or cosmos. If today, we are

complaining of large scale religious conversions, it

is simply because our own brethren have forgotten Sri

Guruvayurappan and we have not taken any real steps to

instil faith in the Lord in the minds of the people.

We are trying to build a Rama-Rajya without any place

for Rama. That is our folly. First of all let each and

everyone of us in this group practise Krishna bhakti

with great vigour and let us educate our brothers to

practise this topmost science & yoga of Krishna Bhakti

so that nobody will want to leave the shelter of Sri

Guruvayurappan.

I understand that my remarks on an earlier occassion

on the same topic were not very welcome in this forum,

because I speak the truth as it is, whether it hurts

someone or not. We have to learn to understand the

stark reality and not hide behind and find comfort

from illusions of this ISM or that religion etc.

Sri Guruvayurappan is the topmost.

There is no truth superior to Him.

Our fears (against other religions, conversions

etc)are all unfounded as they arise from the material

mind on account of identification with the body. If we

go beyond the material senses and surrender ourselves

wholeheartedly to Sri Guruvayurappan who is beyond the

3 gunas, then we will have no more fear.

yad bibhedi svayam bhayam - Even fear personified

fears the Lord !

I pray that may Sri Guruvayurappan bless us all with

unswerving devotional service at His Lotus Feet and

give us good intelligence to serve Him always.

-Sriram

=========

--- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote:

> >

> > Hari OM!

> >

>

> Dear Devotees,

>

> Guruvayur temple Pooja rules and regulations was

> ordered or designed by none

> other than Our Great Sri Sankaracharya, so what ever

> he said is being

> followed now. And there is also an incident behind

> it, when Sankaracharya

> was travelling through the sky, he never stopped at

> Guruvayur Temple to

> worship Gurupavanapuresan. Suddenly his Siddhi was

> gone and fell down on the

> Nalambalam, since Acharya knows what really happened

> he paid his respects

> and done pooja to Gurupavanapuresan and ordered the

> Pooja Vidhi to Guruvayur

> Temple, and that is followed now also.

>

> See THINGS AND RULES CAN BE CHANGED BY

> GURUVAYURAPPAN in a Second. so there

> is no point of complaining, HE is having a greater

> reason for any thing

> happening in this world than we withour tiny

> intellect criticise.

>

> If any body can protest , please protest against

> conversion of religions and

> pass a strong anti-conversion bill as law in India.

> First of all this

> evangalisation should stop. And declare India as a

> Hindu country instead of

> pseudo secularism now being practiced for the

> benefit of minority religion.

>

> And HE alone knows when where how it can be changed!

> we can only pray! Mass

> prayers give more benefit.

>

> With Love & OM!

>

> Krishna Prasad

>

> > Krishna Prasad

> >

> > Dare to give up the comfort of the 'known' and

> venture into the 'unknown'

> > The more we know, the more we will come to realize

> what we do not know.

> > If we want to achieve our true potential and live

> life to the fullest.

> >

> > As Poojya Gurudev said it,

> >

> > " Open your eyes. Burst your shell.

> > Spread your wings and fly! "

> >

> > Swami Chinmayananda

> > Hate not the sinner - hate the sin; and always

> hate the sin even with an

> > excess of hatred. "

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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Dear All,

Remember the words of Swami Vivekananda, " If I want I could convert half of

the world ... " Why he did not do that because it will not help the purpose.

Anyone learns and adopting hinduism is the real acceptance. Real bhakthi

should be within and not without. We should search within. As I mentioned in

my earlier e-mail, the words of GITA, we should always welcome anyone who

accepts our belief. We have been taught for Tolerance and acceptance and not

for violence. Many emperors failed to conquer India because of its patience and

Love and that is one of the reason hinduism still there. Let us keep up

" Bhagawat Gita " and walk with Sree Guruvayoorappan.

I wonder if any one have such and such in their mind, how can it be pure

" bhakthi " ?.

" Remember , You are in Guruvayoor "

Om Namo Narayana!

Murali.

SRIRAM SUBRAMANIAN <abheri wrote: Hare Krishna !

Guruvayurappa !

I am sorry to say that most arguments in this forum

to prevent Christians and Muslims from entering the

temple are not backed by any kind of logic. There is

no use arguing on a purely emotional basis with.

I am giving this reply, keeping in tune with the

tone and tenor of some of the members.

Has any of us got a concrete answer from the

Guruvayur temple authorities why it is that only

" Hindus " are allowed inside? Not to mention the fact

that the very term HINDU is certainly not one of Vedic

origin?????

Please recollect that it is only as recent as 1936

that Guruvayur temple has been opened to people of all

castes in " Hinduism " (Temple Entry Proclamation).

Before that only Brahmanas could enter the temple and

offer prayers on a daily basis. So, shall I infer that

in the original scheme of things at Guruvayur, only

Brahmanas had a place and the rest were not to be

allowed? Going by your arguments, did the Temple

Entry Proclamation of 1936 not amount to a BLATANT

violation of Sri Sankaracharya's original plan /

rules? Was any effort taken at that time to ascertain

the choice / liking of our dear Guruvayurappan ? or

was it a Political decision? So shall I infer that the

entry of " Hindus " other than brahmanas is a violation

going on on a second to second basis? Why nobody is

talking about that?

If a decision to the effect of allowing all castes to

enter can be taken, why not people of all religions?

Did the Guruvayur temple authorities rewrite their

rules?

The situation under discussion now is also not very

different. We are whimsically and fanatically holding

on to rules, rules and rules forgetting the very

purpose for which they stand. If the thanthri or

somebody else has laid down the rules, he should be

able to tell why such a rule exists - what is its

purpose? We should have a definite set of rules and

there should be explainable Vedic wisdom to justify

the existence of such rules. (I am not objecting to

the Vedic traditions - but only the unscientific way

they are handled & justified by people to their

personal advantage - the Vedas are certainly the

original science)

Regarding rules, the Padma Purana states:

smarthavya satatam Vishnu vismarthavyo na jatucit.

sarve vidhi nishedhaah syuh etayor eva kinkarah.

" Always remember Vishnu, Never forget Vishnu. All the

rules & prohibitions (Dos & Donts) should be servants

of these two principles. " ---Padma Purana.

Sanathana Dharma is certainly NOT a fanatic set of

RULES as some of this forum members are trying to make

out.

Let us not be FANATICS.

And there is no merit in fighting among ourselves in

the name of Hindu-ISM, ChristianITY, Islam, Buddh-ISM,

Jain-ISM, Commun-ISM, Secular-ISM, Communal-ISM, this

ISM, that ISM or anything else for that matter which

are all ultimately based on our body and birth. Only

those who fail to recognize every living being as an

" amsha " of our dear Unnikrishnan fight in the name of

these silly ISMs. We have to understand that we are

not this body - that is the beginning of spiritual

life. But based on one's birth, we have so many

divisions of so called religions and castes. The very

word religion (dharma) is that which is actually

spoken by the Lord. dharmam tu saakshaad bhagavat

praneetham - says the Srimad Bhagavatam.

Please also remember that Lord Guruvayurappan is

above all -ISMs and all so called religions. He is

more powerful than any of the Religious Conversionists

or any of the Ministers or Prime Ministers or

Presidents or Kings of this country or any other

country, planet or cosmos. If today, we are

complaining of large scale religious conversions, it

is simply because our own brethren have forgotten Sri

Guruvayurappan and we have not taken any real steps to

instil faith in the Lord in the minds of the people.

We are trying to build a Rama-Rajya without any place

for Rama. That is our folly. First of all let each and

everyone of us in this group practise Krishna bhakti

with great vigour and let us educate our brothers to

practise this topmost science & yoga of Krishna Bhakti

so that nobody will want to leave the shelter of Sri

Guruvayurappan.

I understand that my remarks on an earlier occassion

on the same topic were not very welcome in this forum,

because I speak the truth as it is, whether it hurts

someone or not. We have to learn to understand the

stark reality and not hide behind and find comfort

from illusions of this ISM or that religion etc.

Sri Guruvayurappan is the topmost.

There is no truth superior to Him.

Our fears (against other religions, conversions

etc)are all unfounded as they arise from the material

mind on account of identification with the body. If we

go beyond the material senses and surrender ourselves

wholeheartedly to Sri Guruvayurappan who is beyond the

3 gunas, then we will have no more fear.

yad bibhedi svayam bhayam - Even fear personified

fears the Lord !

I pray that may Sri Guruvayurappan bless us all with

unswerving devotional service at His Lotus Feet and

give us good intelligence to serve Him always.

-Sriram

=========

--- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote:

> >

> > Hari OM!

> >

>

> Dear Devotees,

>

> Guruvayur temple Pooja rules and regulations was

> ordered or designed by none

> other than Our Great Sri Sankaracharya, so what ever

> he said is being

> followed now. And there is also an incident behind

> it, when Sankaracharya

> was travelling through the sky, he never stopped at

> Guruvayur Temple to

> worship Gurupavanapuresan. Suddenly his Siddhi was

> gone and fell down on the

> Nalambalam, since Acharya knows what really happened

> he paid his respects

> and done pooja to Gurupavanapuresan and ordered the

> Pooja Vidhi to Guruvayur

> Temple, and that is followed now also.

>

> See THINGS AND RULES CAN BE CHANGED BY

> GURUVAYURAPPAN in a Second. so there

> is no point of complaining, HE is having a greater

> reason for any thing

> happening in this world than we withour tiny

> intellect criticise.

>

> If any body can protest , please protest against

> conversion of religions and

> pass a strong anti-conversion bill as law in India.

> First of all this

> evangalisation should stop. And declare India as a

> Hindu country instead of

> pseudo secularism now being practiced for the

> benefit of minority religion.

>

> And HE alone knows when where how it can be changed!

> we can only pray! Mass

> prayers give more benefit.

>

> With Love & OM!

>

> Krishna Prasad

>

> > Krishna Prasad

> >

> > Dare to give up the comfort of the 'known' and

> venture into the 'unknown'

> > The more we know, the more we will come to realize

> what we do not know.

> > If we want to achieve our true potential and live

> life to the fullest.

> >

> > As Poojya Gurudev said it,

> >

> > " Open your eyes. Burst your shell.

> > Spread your wings and fly! "

> >

> > Swami Chinmayananda

> > Hate not the sinner - hate the sin; and always

> hate the sin even with an

> > excess of hatred. "

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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June 15, 2006

Dear Guruvayurappan Devotees,

Om Namo Narayanaya,

We are once again getting into this controversial subject. Can we not look at

this issue in the following way? -

All of us agree that Guruvayurappan is the Sarveswaran - protector and

preserver of the entire universe.

It is His desire that some follow teachings in the Gita, some follow teachings

in the Bible, and some Quran and so on. Accordingly Hindus follow Gita and they

go to Temples, Christians follow Bible and they go to Churches, Muslims go to

Mosques, and so on - He is the Sarveswaran and these are His directions.

As ordinary mortals, who are we to question His directions? Let people

practising Hinduism continue to go to Temples, people practising Christianity

continue to go to Churches, and so on - because these are His directions. When

somebody pray in a Church or a Mosque they are praying to none other than

Guruvayurappan but in a form He has decided to manifest there.

The controversy about entry to a particular place of worship arises

occasionally because at times we forget the fact that He is omnipresent and that

He is the protector and preserver of the universe. As devotees, let us not

forget this fundamental fact that everything happens the way He desires.

Once we realise this we will be able to keep away controversial subjects and

focus on serving His Lotus Feet.

Let us pray to our Guruvayurappan that He be with us all the time.

Hari Om

Unnikrishnan Palapetty

We get into the present controversy when we start questioning His directions

which is not the objective of this group.

Murali Ambala Kolliyil <muraliambalakolliyil wrote:

Dear All,

Remember the words of Swami Vivekananda, " If I want I could convert half of the

world ... " Why he did not do that because it will not help the purpose. Anyone

learns and adopting hinduism is the real acceptance. Real bhakthi should be

within and not without. We should search within. As I mentioned in my earlier

e-mail, the words of GITA, we should always welcome anyone who accepts our

belief. We have been taught for Tolerance and acceptance and not for violence.

Many emperors failed to conquer India because of its patience and Love and that

is one of the reason hinduism still there. Let us keep up " Bhagawat Gita " and

walk with Sree Guruvayoorappan.

I wonder if any one have such and such in their mind, how can it be pure

" bhakthi " ?.

" Remember , You are in Guruvayoor "

Om Namo Narayana!

Murali.

SRIRAM SUBRAMANIAN <abheri wrote: Hare Krishna ! Guruvayurappa !

I am sorry to say that most arguments in this forum

to prevent Christians and Muslims from entering the

temple are not backed by any kind of logic. There is

no use arguing on a purely emotional basis with.

I am giving this reply, keeping in tune with the

tone and tenor of some of the members.

Has any of us got a concrete answer from the

Guruvayur temple authorities why it is that only

" Hindus " are allowed inside? Not to mention the fact

that the very term HINDU is certainly not one of Vedic

origin?????

Please recollect that it is only as recent as 1936

that Guruvayur temple has been opened to people of all

castes in " Hinduism " (Temple Entry Proclamation).

Before that only Brahmanas could enter the temple and

offer prayers on a daily basis. So, shall I infer that

in the original scheme of things at Guruvayur, only

Brahmanas had a place and the rest were not to be

allowed? Going by your arguments, did the Temple

Entry Proclamation of 1936 not amount to a BLATANT

violation of Sri Sankaracharya's original plan /

rules? Was any effort taken at that time to ascertain

the choice / liking of our dear Guruvayurappan ? or

was it a Political decision? So shall I infer that the

entry of " Hindus " other than brahmanas is a violation

going on on a second to second basis? Why nobody is

talking about that?

If a decision to the effect of allowing all castes to

enter can be taken, why not people of all religions?

Did the Guruvayur temple authorities rewrite their

rules?

The situation under discussion now is also not very

different. We are whimsically and fanatically holding

on to rules, rules and rules forgetting the very

purpose for which they stand. If the thanthri or

somebody else has laid down the rules, he should be

able to tell why such a rule exists - what is its

purpose? We should have a definite set of rules and

there should be explainable Vedic wisdom to justify

the existence of such rules. (I am not objecting to

the Vedic traditions - but only the unscientific way

they are handled & justified by people to their

personal advantage - the Vedas are certainly the

original science)

Regarding rules, the Padma Purana states:

smarthavya satatam Vishnu vismarthavyo na jatucit.

sarve vidhi nishedhaah syuh etayor eva kinkarah.

" Always remember Vishnu, Never forget Vishnu. All the

rules & prohibitions (Dos & Donts) should be servants

of these two principles. " ---Padma Purana.

Sanathana Dharma is certainly NOT a fanatic set of

RULES as some of this forum members are trying to make

out.

Let us not be FANATICS.

And there is no merit in fighting among ourselves in

the name of Hindu-ISM, ChristianITY, Islam, Buddh-ISM,

Jain-ISM, Commun-ISM, Secular-ISM, Communal-ISM, this

ISM, that ISM or anything else for that matter which

are all ultimately based on our body and birth. Only

those who fail to recognize every living being as an

" amsha " of our dear Unnikrishnan fight in the name of

these silly ISMs. We have to understand that we are

not this body - that is the beginning of spiritual

life. But based on one's birth, we have so many

divisions of so called religions and castes. The very

word religion (dharma) is that which is actually

spoken by the Lord. dharmam tu saakshaad bhagavat

praneetham - says the Srimad Bhagavatam.

Please also remember that Lord Guruvayurappan is

above all -ISMs and all so called religions. He is

more powerful than any of the Religious Conversionists

or any of the Ministers or Prime Ministers or

Presidents or Kings of this country or any other

country, planet or cosmos. If today, we are

complaining of large scale religious conversions, it

is simply because our own brethren have forgotten Sri

Guruvayurappan and we have not taken any real steps to

instil faith in the Lord in the minds of the people.

We are trying to build a Rama-Rajya without any place

for Rama. That is our folly. First of all let each and

everyone of us in this group practise Krishna bhakti

with great vigour and let us educate our brothers to

practise this topmost science & yoga of Krishna Bhakti

so that nobody will want to leave the shelter of Sri

Guruvayurappan.

I understand that my remarks on an earlier occassion

on the same topic were not very welcome in this forum,

because I speak the truth as it is, whether it hurts

someone or not. We have to learn to understand the

stark reality and not hide behind and find comfort

from illusions of this ISM or that religion etc.

Sri Guruvayurappan is the topmost.

There is no truth superior to Him.

Our fears (against other religions, conversions

etc)are all unfounded as they arise from the material

mind on account of identification with the body. If we

go beyond the material senses and surrender ourselves

wholeheartedly to Sri Guruvayurappan who is beyond the

3 gunas, then we will have no more fear.

yad bibhedi svayam bhayam - Even fear personified

fears the Lord !

I pray that may Sri Guruvayurappan bless us all with

unswerving devotional service at His Lotus Feet and

give us good intelligence to serve Him always.

-Sriram

=========

--- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote:

> >

> > Hari OM!

> >

>

> Dear Devotees,

>

> Guruvayur temple Pooja rules and regulations was

> ordered or designed by none

> other than Our Great Sri Sankaracharya, so what ever

> he said is being

> followed now. And there is also an incident behind

> it, when Sankaracharya

> was travelling through the sky, he never stopped at

> Guruvayur Temple to

> worship Gurupavanapuresan. Suddenly his Siddhi was

> gone and fell down on the

> Nalambalam, since Acharya knows what really happened

> he paid his respects

> and done pooja to Gurupavanapuresan and ordered the

> Pooja Vidhi to Guruvayur

> Temple, and that is followed now also.

>

> See THINGS AND RULES CAN BE CHANGED BY

> GURUVAYURAPPAN in a Second. so there

> is no point of complaining, HE is having a greater

> reason for any thing

> happening in this world than we withour tiny

> intellect criticise.

>

> If any body can protest , please protest against

> conversion of religions and

> pass a strong anti-conversion bill as law in India.

> First of all this

> evangalisation should stop. And declare India as a

> Hindu country instead of

> pseudo secularism now being practiced for the

> benefit of minority religion.

>

> And HE alone knows when where how it can be changed!

> we can only pray! Mass

> prayers give more benefit.

>

> With Love & OM!

>

> Krishna Prasad

>

> > Krishna Prasad

> >

> > Dare to give up the comfort of the 'known' and

> venture into the 'unknown'

> > The more we know, the more we will come to realize

> what we do not know.

> > If we want to achieve our true potential and live

> life to the fullest.

> >

> > As Poojya Gurudev said it,

> >

> > " Open your eyes. Burst your shell.

> > Spread your wings and fly! "

> >

> > Swami Chinmayananda

> > Hate not the sinner - hate the sin; and always

> hate the sin even with an

> > excess of hatred. "

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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June 16, 2006

Dear Sri Unnikrishnan,

Not to sound offensive in any way.

Hindus can go to church and Mosques, if we have the

faith. But why is that we prevent people who have

faith in Guruvayoorappan to come over to our temple.

Aren't we being cruel here both to Guruvayoorappan and

his devotees, too. Guruvayoorappan likes the company

of his devotees as much as the devotees enjoy the

company of Guruvayoorappan.

There is no need to prevent anyone from approaching

Guruvayoorappan. If Bhagavan is everywhere, He is in

the temple, also. If devotees can see Him everywhere,

such a devotee should be welcomed to the temple as

well.

Not that this arguments among us will make any

difference in the governing or mind-set of temple

authorities. But, the stereo-type thinking of the

temple authorities should change.

I would even go to the extend to say that any devotee,

irrespective of caste/creed

(nampoodiri/nair/ezhava/pulaya/european/american)

should be made the poojari, if he has the right

knowledge and interest. Such time will also come.

Namo Narayana

Abhilash

--- unnikrishnan palapetty <unni2591

wrote:

> Dear Guruvayurappan Devotees,

>

> Om Namo Narayanaya,

>

> We are once again getting into this controversial

> subject. Can we not look at this issue in the

> following way? -

>

> All of us agree that Guruvayurappan is the

> Sarveswaran - protector and preserver of the entire

> universe.

>

> It is His desire that some follow teachings in the

> Gita, some follow teachings in the Bible, and some

> Quran and so on. Accordingly Hindus follow Gita and

> they go to Temples, Christians follow Bible and they

> go to Churches, Muslims go to Mosques, and so on -

> He is the Sarveswaran and these are His directions.

>

> As ordinary mortals, who are we to question His

> directions? Let people practising Hinduism continue

> to go to Temples, people practising Christianity

> continue to go to Churches, and so on - because

> these are His directions. When somebody pray in a

> Church or a Mosque they are praying to none other

> than Guruvayurappan but in a form He has decided to

> manifest there.

>

> The controversy about entry to a particular place

> of worship arises occasionally because at times we

> forget the fact that He is omnipresent and that He

> is the protector and preserver of the universe. As

> devotees, let us not forget this fundamental fact

> that everything happens the way He desires.

> Once we realise this we will be able to keep away

> controversial subjects and focus on serving His

> Lotus Feet.

>

> Let us pray to our Guruvayurappan that He be with

> us all the time.

>

> Hari Om

>

> Unnikrishnan Palapetty

We get into the present controversy when we start

> questioning His directions which is not the

> objective of this group.

> Murali Ambala Kolliyil

> <muraliambalakolliyil wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> Remember the words of Swami Vivekananda, " If I want

> I could convert half of the world ... " Why he did

> not do that because it will not help the purpose.

> Anyone learns and adopting hinduism is the real

> acceptance. Real bhakthi should be within and not

> without. We should search within. As I mentioned in

> my earlier e-mail, the words of GITA, we should

> always welcome anyone who accepts our belief. We

> have been taught for Tolerance and acceptance and

> not for violence. Many emperors failed to conquer

> India because of its patience and Love and that is

> one of the reason hinduism still there. Let us keep

> up " Bhagawat Gita " and walk with Sree

> Guruvayoorappan.

>

> I wonder if any one have such and such in their

> mind, how can it be pure " bhakthi " ?.

> " Remember , You are in Guruvayoor "

>

> Om Namo Narayana!

> Murali.

>

> SRIRAM SUBRAMANIAN <abheri wrote: Hare

> Krishna ! Guruvayurappa !

> I am sorry to say that most arguments in this forum

> to prevent Christians and Muslims from entering the

> temple are not backed by any kind of logic. There is

> no use arguing on a purely emotional basis with.

>

> I am giving this reply, keeping in tune with the

> tone and tenor of some of the members.

>

> Has any of us got a concrete answer from the

> Guruvayur temple authorities why it is that only

> " Hindus " are allowed inside? Not to mention the fact

> that the very term HINDU is certainly not one of

> Vedic

> origin?????

>

> Please recollect that it is only as recent as 1936

> that Guruvayur temple has been opened to people of

> all

>

> castes in " Hinduism " (Temple Entry Proclamation).

> Before that only Brahmanas could enter the temple

> and

> offer prayers on a daily basis. So, shall I infer

> that

> in the original scheme of things at Guruvayur, only

> Brahmanas had a place and the rest were not to be

> allowed? Going by your arguments, did the Temple

> Entry Proclamation of 1936 not amount to a BLATANT

> violation of Sri Sankaracharya's original plan /

> rules? Was any effort taken at that time to

> ascertain

> the choice / liking of our dear Guruvayurappan ? or

> was it a Political decision? So shall I infer that

> the

> entry of " Hindus " other than brahmanas is a

> violation

> going on on a second to second basis? Why nobody is

> talking about that?

>

> If a decision to the effect of allowing all castes

> to

> enter can be taken, why not people of all religions?

> Did the Guruvayur temple authorities rewrite their

> rules?

>

> The situation under discussion now is also not very

> different. We are whimsically and fanatically

> holding

> on to rules, rules and rules forgetting the very

> purpose for which they stand. If the thanthri or

> somebody else has laid down the rules, he should be

> able to tell why such a rule exists - what is its

> purpose? We should have a definite set of rules and

> there should be explainable Vedic wisdom to justify

> the existence of such rules. (I am not objecting to

> the Vedic traditions - but only the unscientific way

> they are handled & justified by people to their

> personal advantage - the Vedas are certainly the

> original science)

>

> Regarding rules, the Padma Purana states:

>

> smarthavya satatam Vishnu vismarthavyo na jatucit.

> sarve vidhi nishedhaah syuh etayor eva kinkarah.

>

> " Always remember Vishnu, Never forget Vishnu. All

> the

> rules & prohibitions (Dos & Donts) should be

> servants

> of these two principles. " ---Padma Purana.

>

> Sanathana Dharma is certainly NOT a fanatic set of

> RULES as some of this forum members are trying to

> make

> out.

>

> Let us not be FANATICS.

>

> And there is no merit in fighting among ourselves in

> the name of Hindu-ISM, ChristianITY, Islam,

> Buddh-ISM,

> Jain-ISM, Commun-ISM, Secular-ISM, Communal-ISM,

> this

> ISM, that ISM or anything else for that matter which

> are all ultimately based on our body and birth. Only

> those who fail to recognize every living being as an

> " amsha " of our dear Unnikrishnan fight in the name

> of

> these silly ISMs. We have to understand that we are

> not this body - that is the beginning of spiritual

> life. But based on one's birth, we have so many

> divisions of so called religions and castes. The

> very

> word religion (dharma) is that which is actually

> spoken by the Lord. dharmam tu saakshaad bhagavat

> praneetham - says the Srimad Bhagavatam.

>

> Please also remember that Lord Guruvayurappan is

> above all -ISMs and all so called religions. He is

> more powerful than any of the Religious

> Conversionists

> or any of the Ministers or Prime Ministers or

> Presidents or Kings of this country or any other

> country, planet or cosmos. If today, we are

> complaining of large scale religious conversions, it

> is simply because our own brethren have forgotten

> Sri

> Guruvayurappan and we have not taken any real steps

> to

> instil faith in the Lord in the minds of the people.

> We are trying to build a Rama-Rajya without any

> place

> for Rama. That is our folly. First of all let each

> and

> everyone of us in this group practise Krishna bhakti

> with great vigour and let us educate our brothers to

> practise this topmost science & yoga of Krishna

> Bhakti

> so that nobody will want to leave the shelter of Sri

> Guruvayurappan.

>

=== message truncated ===

June 16, 2006

So called minority appeasement... I appreciate Abhi's wish. I wish too... As we

all know Unnikkannan, Sri Gurupavanapuresan he is the protector and preserver

of all universe.

Let all the beings understand the truth and leave all false man made books and

find the truth from our Parthasarathi's own words from the great " Bhagawat

Geetha " understand it well and bring the harmony of love in this world.

We hindus already compromised more than enough.. No need for more compromise

to show our greatness.

Being polite and great our temples of Sri Krishna demolished by Pakistanis.

Abhi knows well that how much our Krishnabhakthas of ISKCON are

troubledvaround the world.

They have a agenda to misuse our tenderness... Be careful before you adopt

others.

All are not parsis, who minkled like the water in the milk. Others being born

in India, they are entertaining their minds against India, see a hydrabadhi gave

Fatwa against " Vandemataram " .... be in present world my dears....

You will die, but let your kids be safe in their own land. Be constructive.

Let Srikrishna save us from all the evil powers which cause problems in his

devotee's minds.

LET US STOP THIS.

And i would like to request you all

Abhilash Nair <abhilash_ramachandran wrote:

Dear Sri Unnikrishnan,

Not to sound offensive in any way.

Hindus can go to church and Mosques, if we have the

faith. But why is that we prevent people who have

faith in Guruvayoorappan to come over to our temple.

Aren't we being cruel here both to Guruvayoorappan and

his devotees, too. Guruvayoorappan likes the company

of his devotees as much as the devotees enjoy the

company of Guruvayoorappan.

There is no need to prevent anyone from approaching

Guruvayoorappan. If Bhagavan is everywhere, He is in

the temple, also. If devotees can see Him everywhere,

such a devotee should be welcomed to the temple as

well.

Not that this arguments among us will make any

difference in the governing or mind-set of temple

authorities. But, the stereo-type thinking of the

temple authorities should change.

I would even go to the extend to say that any devotee,

irrespective of caste/creed

(nampoodiri/nair/ezhava/pulaya/european/american)

should be made the poojari, if he has the right

knowledge and interest. Such time will also come.

Namo Narayana

Abhilash

--- unnikrishnan palapetty <unni2591

wrote:

> Dear Guruvayurappan Devotees,

>

> Om Namo Narayanaya,

>

> We are once again getting into this controversial

> subject. Can we not look at this issue in the

> following way? -

>

> All of us agree that Guruvayurappan is the

> Sarveswaran - protector and preserver of the entire

> universe.

>

> It is His desire that some follow teachings in the

> Gita, some follow teachings in the Bible, and some

> Quran and so on. Accordingly Hindus follow Gita and

> they go to Temples, Christians follow Bible and they

> go to Churches, Muslims go to Mosques, and so on -

> He is the Sarveswaran and these are His directions.

>

> As ordinary mortals, who are we to question His

> directions? Let people practising Hinduism continue

> to go to Temples, people practising Christianity

> continue to go to Churches, and so on - because

> these are His directions. When somebody pray in a

> Church or a Mosque they are praying to none other

> than Guruvayurappan but in a form He has decided to

> manifest there.

>

> The controversy about entry to a particular place

> of worship arises occasionally because at times we

> forget the fact that He is omnipresent and that He

> is the protector and preserver of the universe. As

> devotees, let us not forget this fundamental fact

> that everything happens the way He desires.

> Once we realise this we will be able to keep away

> controversial subjects and focus on serving His

> Lotus Feet.

>

> Let us pray to our Guruvayurappan that He be with

> us all the time.

>

> Hari Om

>

> Unnikrishnan Palapetty

We get into the present controversy when we start

> questioning His directions which is not the

> objective of this group.

> Murali Ambala Kolliyil

> <muraliambalakolliyil wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> Remember the words of Swami Vivekananda, " If I want

> I could convert half of the world ... " Why he did

> not do that because it will not help the purpose.

> Anyone learns and adopting hinduism is the real

> acceptance. Real bhakthi should be within and not

> without. We should search within. As I mentioned in

> my earlier e-mail, the words of GITA, we should

> always welcome anyone who accepts our belief. We

> have been taught for Tolerance and acceptance and

> not for violence. Many emperors failed to conquer

> India because of its patience and Love and that is

> one of the reason hinduism still there. Let us keep

> up " Bhagawat Gita " and walk with Sree

> Guruvayoorappan.

>

> I wonder if any one have such and such in their

> mind, how can it be pure " bhakthi " ?.

> " Remember , You are in Guruvayoor "

>

> Om Namo Narayana!

> Murali.

>

> SRIRAM SUBRAMANIAN <abheri wrote: Hare

> Krishna ! Guruvayurappa !

> I am sorry to say that most arguments in this forum

> to prevent Christians and Muslims from entering the

> temple are not backed by any kind of logic. There is

> no use arguing on a purely emotional basis with.

>

> I am giving this reply, keeping in tune with the

> tone and tenor of some of the members.

>

> Has any of us got a concrete answer from the

> Guruvayur temple authorities why it is that only

> " Hindus " are allowed inside? Not to mention the fact

> that the very term HINDU is certainly not one of

> Vedic

> origin?????

>

> Please recollect that it is only as recent as 1936

> that Guruvayur temple has been opened to people of

> all

>

> castes in " Hinduism " (Temple Entry Proclamation).

> Before that only Brahmanas could enter the temple

> and

> offer prayers on a daily basis. So, shall I infer

> that

> in the original scheme of things at Guruvayur, only

> Brahmanas had a place and the rest were not to be

> allowed? Going by your arguments, did the Temple

> Entry Proclamation of 1936 not amount to a BLATANT

> violation of Sri Sankaracharya's original plan /

> rules? Was any effort taken at that time to

> ascertain

> the choice / liking of our dear Guruvayurappan ? or

> was it a Political decision? So shall I infer that

> the

> entry of " Hindus " other than brahmanas is a

> violation

> going on on a second to second basis? Why nobody is

> talking about that?

>

> If a decision to the effect of allowing all castes

> to

> enter can be taken, why not people of all religions?

> Did the Guruvayur temple authorities rewrite their

> rules?

>

> The situation under discussion now is also not very

> different. We are whimsically and fanatically

> holding

> on to rules, rules and rules forgetting the very

> purpose for which they stand. If the thanthri or

> somebody else has laid down the rules, he should be

> able to tell why such a rule exists - what is its

> purpose? We should have a definite set of rules and

> there should be explainable Vedic wisdom to justify

> the existence of such rules. (I am not objecting to

> the Vedic traditions - but only the unscientific way

> they are handled & justified by people to their

> personal advantage - the Vedas are certainly the

> original science)

>

> Regarding rules, the Padma Purana states:

>

> smarthavya satatam Vishnu vismarthavyo na jatucit.

> sarve vidhi nishedhaah syuh etayor eva kinkarah.

>

> " Always remember Vishnu, Never forget Vishnu. All

> the

> rules & prohibitions (Dos & Donts) should be

> servants

> of these two principles. " ---Padma Purana.

>

> Sanathana Dharma is certainly NOT a fanatic set of

> RULES as some of this forum members are trying to

> make

> out.

>

> Let us not be FANATICS.

>

> And there is no merit in fighting among ourselves in

> the name of Hindu-ISM, ChristianITY, Islam,

> Buddh-ISM,

> Jain-ISM, Commun-ISM, Secular-ISM, Communal-ISM,

> this

> ISM, that ISM or anything else for that matter which

> are all ultimately based on our body and birth. Only

> those who fail to recognize every living being as an

> " amsha " of our dear Unnikrishnan fight in the name

> of

> these silly ISMs. We have to understand that we are

> not this body - that is the beginning of spiritual

> life. But based on one's birth, we have so many

> divisions of so called religions and castes. The

> very

> word religion (dharma) is that which is actually

> spoken by the Lord. dharmam tu saakshaad bhagavat

> praneetham - says the Srimad Bhagavatam.

>

> Please also remember that Lord Guruvayurappan is

> above all -ISMs and all so called religions. He is

> more powerful than any of the Religious

> Conversionists

> or any of the Ministers or Prime Ministers or

> Presidents or Kings of this country or any other

> country, planet or cosmos. If today, we are

> complaining of large scale religious conversions, it

> is simply because our own brethren have forgotten

> Sri

> Guruvayurappan and we have not taken any real steps

> to

> instil faith in the Lord in the minds of the people.

> We are trying to build a Rama-Rajya without any

> place

> for Rama. That is our folly. First of all let each

> and

> everyone of us in this group practise Krishna bhakti

> with great vigour and let us educate our brothers to

> practise this topmost science & yoga of Krishna

> Bhakti

> so that nobody will want to leave the shelter of Sri

> Guruvayurappan.

>

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Hello,

I think there i sno need to allow all people to be

allowed in.

Only those and those who are devotees of

GURUVAYOORAPPAN can enter into the temple. As temple

is a place where all go to have nice and peaceful

time.

If a non belevier can go into he will entering into

the temple but still he donot follow the Krishna? How

can the be there is only one and only one Lord.

He will even hesitate to utter Lords name insdie

temple even.

Even if any NON hindu enter into soon he will be

eliminated by his own poeple.

So let it continue and there is no need to be allowed.

OM Namaho NARAYANA.

Unni

--- GOPI NAIR <gopi_nair37 wrote:

> So called minority appeasement... I appreciate

> Abhi's wish. I wish too... As we all know

> Unnikkannan, Sri Gurupavanapuresan he is the

> protector and preserver of all universe.

>

> Let all the beings understand the truth and leave

> all false man made books and find the truth from our

> Parthasarathi's own words from the great " Bhagawat

> Geetha " understand it well and bring the harmony of

> love in this world.

>

> We hindus already compromised more than enough..

> No need for more compromise to show our greatness.

>

> Being polite and great our temples of Sri Krishna

> demolished by Pakistanis.

> Abhi knows well that how much our Krishnabhakthas

> of ISKCON are troubledvaround the world.

>

> They have a agenda to misuse our tenderness... Be

> careful before you adopt others.

>

> All are not parsis, who minkled like the water in

> the milk. Others being born in India, they are

> entertaining their minds against India, see a

> hydrabadhi gave Fatwa against " Vandemataram " .... be

> in present world my dears....

>

> You will die, but let your kids be safe in their

> own land. Be constructive.

>

> Let Srikrishna save us from all the evil powers

> which cause problems in his devotee's minds.

>

> LET US STOP THIS.

>

> And i would like to request you all

>

> Abhilash Nair <abhilash_ramachandran

> wrote:

> Dear Sri Unnikrishnan,

> Not to sound offensive in any way.

>

> Hindus can go to church and Mosques, if we have the

> faith. But why is that we prevent people who have

> faith in Guruvayoorappan to come over to our temple.

> Aren't we being cruel here both to Guruvayoorappan

> and

> his devotees, too. Guruvayoorappan likes the company

> of his devotees as much as the devotees enjoy the

> company of Guruvayoorappan.

>

> There is no need to prevent anyone from approaching

> Guruvayoorappan. If Bhagavan is everywhere, He is in

> the temple, also. If devotees can see Him

> everywhere,

> such a devotee should be welcomed to the temple as

> well.

>

> Not that this arguments among us will make any

> difference in the governing or mind-set of temple

> authorities. But, the stereo-type thinking of the

> temple authorities should change.

>

> I would even go to the extend to say that any

> devotee,

> irrespective of caste/creed

> (nampoodiri/nair/ezhava/pulaya/european/american)

> should be made the poojari, if he has the right

> knowledge and interest. Such time will also come.

>

> Namo Narayana

> Abhilash

>

> --- unnikrishnan palapetty <unni2591

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Guruvayurappan Devotees,

> >

> > Om Namo Narayanaya,

> >

> > We are once again getting into this controversial

> > subject. Can we not look at this issue in the

> > following way? -

> >

> > All of us agree that Guruvayurappan is the

> > Sarveswaran - protector and preserver of the

> entire

> > universe.

> >

> > It is His desire that some follow teachings in the

> > Gita, some follow teachings in the Bible, and some

> > Quran and so on. Accordingly Hindus follow Gita

> and

> > they go to Temples, Christians follow Bible and

> they

> > go to Churches, Muslims go to Mosques, and so on -

> > He is the Sarveswaran and these are His

> directions.

> >

> > As ordinary mortals, who are we to question His

> > directions? Let people practising Hinduism

> continue

> > to go to Temples, people practising Christianity

> > continue to go to Churches, and so on - because

> > these are His directions. When somebody pray in a

> > Church or a Mosque they are praying to none other

> > than Guruvayurappan but in a form He has decided

> to

> > manifest there.

> >

> > The controversy about entry to a particular place

> > of worship arises occasionally because at times we

> > forget the fact that He is omnipresent and that He

> > is the protector and preserver of the universe. As

> > devotees, let us not forget this fundamental fact

> > that everything happens the way He desires.

> > Once we realise this we will be able to keep away

> > controversial subjects and focus on serving His

> > Lotus Feet.

> >

> > Let us pray to our Guruvayurappan that He be with

> > us all the time.

> >

> > Hari Om

> >

> > Unnikrishnan Palapetty

> >

> > We get into the present controversy when we start

> > questioning His directions which is not the

> > objective of this group.

> > Murali Ambala Kolliyil

> > <muraliambalakolliyil wrote:

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Remember the words of Swami Vivekananda, " If I

> want

> > I could convert half of the world ... " Why he did

> > not do that because it will not help the purpose.

> > Anyone learns and adopting hinduism is the real

> > acceptance. Real bhakthi should be within and not

> > without. We should search within. As I mentioned

> in

> > my earlier e-mail, the words of GITA, we should

> > always welcome anyone who accepts our belief. We

> > have been taught for Tolerance and acceptance and

> > not for violence. Many emperors failed to conquer

> > India because of its patience and Love and that is

> > one of the reason hinduism still there. Let us

> keep

> > up " Bhagawat Gita " and walk with Sree

> > Guruvayoorappan.

> >

> > I wonder if any one have such and such in their

> > mind, how can it be pure " bhakthi " ?.

> > " Remember , You are in Guruvayoor "

> >

> > Om Namo Narayana!

> > Murali.

> >

> > SRIRAM SUBRAMANIAN <abheri wrote: Hare

> > Krishna ! Guruvayurappa !

> > I am sorry to say that most arguments in this

> forum

> > to prevent Christians and Muslims from entering

> the

> > temple are not backed by any kind of logic. There

> is

> > no use arguing on a purely emotional basis with.

> >

> > I am giving this reply, keeping in tune with the

> > tone and tenor of some of the members.

> >

> > Has any of us got a concrete answer from the

> > Guruvayur temple authorities why it is that only

> > " Hindus " are allowed inside? Not to mention the

> fact

> > that the very term HINDU is certainly not one of

> > Vedic

> > origin?????

> >

> > Please recollect that it is only as recent as 1936

> > that Guruvayur temple has been opened to people of

> > all

> >

> > castes in " Hinduism " (Temple Entry Proclamation).

> > Before that only Brahmanas could enter the temple

> > and

> > offer prayers on a daily basis. So, shall I infer

> > that

> > in the original scheme of things at Guruvayur,

> only

> > Brahmanas had a place and the rest were not to be

> > allowed? Going by your arguments, did the Temple

>

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Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama

Rama Rama Hare Hare

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama

Rama Rama Hare Hare

Pls see the 3rd photo from top, in my blog.

http://temples18.blogspot.com/

Do you see the twins there. These brahmacaris are the

head-pujaris of the most beutiful RadhaKrishna deities

in the world. They are the most down to earth and

amongst the most devout Krishna Bhaktas in this world.

Their days and nights are spend in thinking " how to

serve Radha Krishna better? " and acting in the most

befitting manner. They are a great example and great

inspiration, even for indians. Major portion of their

life is spend decorating the deities, cooking for the

deities, stitching newer and better clothes for Radha

Krishna, performing arati for Radha Krishna, reading

Gita and Bhagavatam.... still so simple and a feeling

very humble and unqualified.

To see a glimpse of their bhakti click below:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/101/2110/1600/P2280211.jpg

Now, you may decide for yourself, if bhakti if bhakti

of Krishna needs to be kept in a shelf or needs to be

distributed.

If you want to know what the Guruvayoorappan wants,

just read the gita:

18.67

This confidential knowledge may not be explained to

those who are not austere, or devoted, or engaged in

devotional service, nor to one who is envious of Me.

18.68

For one who explains the supreme secret to the

devotees, devotional service is guaranteed, and at the

end he will come back to Me.

18.69

There is no servant in this world more dear to Me than

he, nor will there ever be one more dear.

" Devotee/bhakta " does not mean born-Hindus. That has

been already proved.

All said and done, don't forget the metal detector and

armed guards. Our philosophy is the highest, but our

feet are still grounded in reality.

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama

Rama Rama Hare Hare

Abhilash

--- U4 <unni_u4 wrote:

> Hello,

> I think there i sno need to allow all people to be

> allowed in.

> Only those and those who are devotees of

> GURUVAYOORAPPAN can enter into the temple. As temple

> is a place where all go to have nice and peaceful

> time.

> If a non belevier can go into he will entering into

> the temple but still he donot follow the Krishna?

> How

> can the be there is only one and only one Lord.

>

> He will even hesitate to utter Lords name insdie

> temple even.

>

> Even if any NON hindu enter into soon he will be

> eliminated by his own poeple.

> So let it continue and there is no need to be

> allowed.

> OM Namaho NARAYANA.

> Unni

>

> --- GOPI NAIR <gopi_nair37 wrote:

>

> > So called minority appeasement... I appreciate

> > Abhi's wish. I wish too... As we all know

> > Unnikkannan, Sri Gurupavanapuresan he is the

> > protector and preserver of all universe.

> >

> > Let all the beings understand the truth and

> leave

> > all false man made books and find the truth from

> our

> > Parthasarathi's own words from the great " Bhagawat

> > Geetha " understand it well and bring the harmony

> of

> > love in this world.

> >

> > We hindus already compromised more than enough..

> > No need for more compromise to show our greatness.

> >

> > Being polite and great our temples of Sri

> Krishna

> > demolished by Pakistanis.

> > Abhi knows well that how much our

> Krishnabhakthas

> > of ISKCON are troubledvaround the world.

> >

> > They have a agenda to misuse our tenderness...

> Be

> > careful before you adopt others.

> >

> > All are not parsis, who minkled like the water

> in

> > the milk. Others being born in India, they are

> > entertaining their minds against India, see a

> > hydrabadhi gave Fatwa against " Vandemataram " ....

> be

> > in present world my dears....

> >

> > You will die, but let your kids be safe in their

> > own land. Be constructive.

> >

> > Let Srikrishna save us from all the evil powers

> > which cause problems in his devotee's minds.

> >

> > LET US STOP THIS.

> >

> > And i would like to request you all

> >

> > Abhilash Nair <abhilash_ramachandran

> > wrote:

> > Dear Sri Unnikrishnan,

> > Not to sound offensive in any way.

> >

> > Hindus can go to church and Mosques, if we have

> the

> > faith. But why is that we prevent people who have

> > faith in Guruvayoorappan to come over to our

> temple.

> > Aren't we being cruel here both to Guruvayoorappan

> > and

> > his devotees, too. Guruvayoorappan likes the

> company

> > of his devotees as much as the devotees enjoy the

> > company of Guruvayoorappan.

> >

> > There is no need to prevent anyone from

> approaching

> > Guruvayoorappan. If Bhagavan is everywhere, He is

> in

> > the temple, also. If devotees can see Him

> > everywhere,

> > such a devotee should be welcomed to the temple as

> > well.

> >

> > Not that this arguments among us will make any

> > difference in the governing or mind-set of temple

> > authorities. But, the stereo-type thinking of the

> > temple authorities should change.

> >

> > I would even go to the extend to say that any

> > devotee,

> > irrespective of caste/creed

> > (nampoodiri/nair/ezhava/pulaya/european/american)

> > should be made the poojari, if he has the right

> > knowledge and interest. Such time will also come.

>

> >

> > Namo Narayana

> > Abhilash

> >

> > --- unnikrishnan palapetty <unni2591

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Guruvayurappan Devotees,

> > >

> > > Om Namo Narayanaya,

> > >

> > > We are once again getting into this

> controversial

> > > subject. Can we not look at this issue in the

> > > following way? -

> > >

> > > All of us agree that Guruvayurappan is the

> > > Sarveswaran - protector and preserver of the

> > entire

> > > universe.

> > >

> > > It is His desire that some follow teachings in

> the

> > > Gita, some follow teachings in the Bible, and

> some

> > > Quran and so on. Accordingly Hindus follow Gita

> > and

> > > they go to Temples, Christians follow Bible and

> > they

> > > go to Churches, Muslims go to Mosques, and so on

> -

> > > He is the Sarveswaran and these are His

> > directions.

> > >

> > > As ordinary mortals, who are we to question His

> > > directions? Let people practising Hinduism

> > continue

> > > to go to Temples, people practising Christianity

> > > continue to go to Churches, and so on - because

> > > these are His directions. When somebody pray in

> a

> > > Church or a Mosque they are praying to none

> other

> > > than Guruvayurappan but in a form He has decided

> > to

> > > manifest there.

> > >

> > > The controversy about entry to a particular

> place

> > > of worship arises occasionally because at times

> we

> > > forget the fact that He is omnipresent and that

> He

> > > is the protector and preserver of the universe.

> As

> > > devotees, let us not forget this fundamental

> fact

> > > that everything happens the way He desires.

> > > Once we realise this we will be able to keep

> away

> > > controversial subjects and focus on serving His

> > > Lotus Feet.

> > >

> > > Let us pray to our Guruvayurappan that He be

> with

> > > us all the time.

> > >

> > > Hari Om

> > >

> > > Unnikrishnan Palapetty

> > >

> > > We get into the present controversy when we

> start

> > > questioning His directions which is not the

> > > objective of this group.

> > > Murali Ambala Kolliyil

> > > <muraliambalakolliyil wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Remember the words of Swami Vivekananda, " If I

> > want

> > > I could convert half of the world ... " Why he

> did

> > > not do that because it will not help the

> purpose.

> > > Anyone learns and adopting hinduism is the real

>

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June 19, 2006

This debate is going on for some time with many members expressing for and

against on an issue which does not hv much relevance to Bhakthy.If there is a

custom in a temple for years the same must be followed irrespective of the

Bhakthy concept.All who profess Bhakthy to Guruvayurappan need not be bhakthas

and vice versa.There are certain codes,norms,principles enunciated by

the ancient seers and the same shuld be followed and the same may vary from

temple to temple.There is no use of crying wolf in such matters.In the case of

Sri Padbhanaswamy temple of Trivandrum there is a code that darsan of the

deity by the devotees won't be allowed when the maharaja of erstwhile Travancore

comes for doing the pooja in the morning.As the Raja is considered to be a

Padbhanabhadasa during the rule of Kings and the custom still continues.Can

anyone object to the same by saying that the Kings hv already been divested of

their posts.But still people venerate the custom and hv never raised any

objection.

Again in the temples of Kerala only and perhaps in some temples in other

states

the removal of shirts while entering the inner place of the prsiding Deity is

prevalent.In no other states such a custom is there and anybody can go by

wearing shirts and pants.In certain temples in North India the devotees are

allowed even to touch and do the poojas to the presiding deity.It is no wonder

that Melsanthi gets sweated coming from the sanctum sanctorum as the whole place

is encompassed with stones and there is no air movement.So it is natural for any

one to get sweat.That does not mean energy flows thru him.But in the case of

Tripati where even the sanctum is air conditioned no such thing happens.Does

that mean that deity has no power or vibration to send energy?So

in a country like India where lot of superstitions are still prevalent it is

not correct to try to alter the methods as the same won't get any good in the

ultimate

analysis.Devotees of Guruvayurappan think that He is there only forgetting

that God is present everywhere.So too devotees as soon as they see Him during

darsan time start shouting Narayana,Guruvayurappa etc threby disturbing the

concentration of the silent praying devotees whose ears become deaf by that

sound vibrations.Does those devotees in a hysterical mood think that

Guruvayurappan is deaf if they pray silently.Did anybody try to prevent this?

Why our forefathers preferred to do meditation,japa etc in the Brahma Muhurtha

between 3 and 5 a.m?Because at that time the world is still and the spiritual

vibrations is very high and the devotee can concentrate without outside

disturbances which he can't do during day time.Further who said that the Lord

showers mercy only on those who see Him in the sanctorum shouting His name

and not blessing those who stand outside mentally praying with all sincerity?

As the same can't be gauged correctly there is no necessity for living in an

imaginary world that Guruvayurappan will bless only those who see Him within

His reach in the sanctorum and never bothers abt those who pray outside the

temple.So again and again arguing in a frivoulous manner carry one nowhere.

In fact God will be more merciful to the people whichever caste or religion

they belong who worship from outside with eagerness and sincerity than those who

make a bee line to worship Him inside.So there is nothing to worry abt the

customs and rituals of the temple which has been going on for centuries and no

interference is required.The so called neo secularists may cry from house top

that injustice has been done.Why shuld they target only Guruvayur?What is the

hidden agenda behind the same?First let them get themselves purified and

thentake up the case of others.This is what perhaps God may also expect Of

course this argument may not be palatable to many.Still I just brought this.When

for centuries such customs hv been followed without objections why this sudden

outburst?.

Hare Krishna.

Abhilash Nair <abhilash_ramachandran wrote:

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama

Rama Rama Hare Hare

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama

Rama Rama Hare Hare

Pls see the 3rd photo from top, in my blog.

http://temples18.blogspot.com/

Do you see the twins there. These brahmacaris are the

head-pujaris of the most beutiful RadhaKrishna deities

in the world. They are the most down to earth and

amongst the most devout Krishna Bhaktas in this world.

Their days and nights are spend in thinking " how to

serve Radha Krishna better? " and acting in the most

befitting manner. They are a great example and great

inspiration, even for indians. Major portion of their

life is spend decorating the deities, cooking for the

deities, stitching newer and better clothes for Radha

Krishna, performing arati for Radha Krishna, reading

Gita and Bhagavatam.... still so simple and a feeling

very humble and unqualified.

To see a glimpse of their bhakti click below:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/101/2110/1600/P2280211.jpg

Now, you may decide for yourself, if bhakti if bhakti

of Krishna needs to be kept in a shelf or needs to be

distributed.

If you want to know what the Guruvayoorappan wants,

just read the gita:

18.67

This confidential knowledge may not be explained to

those who are not austere, or devoted, or engaged in

devotional service, nor to one who is envious of Me.

18.68

For one who explains the supreme secret to the

devotees, devotional service is guaranteed, and at the

end he will come back to Me.

18.69

There is no servant in this world more dear to Me than

he, nor will there ever be one more dear.

" Devotee/bhakta " does not mean born-Hindus. That has

been already proved.

All said and done, don't forget the metal detector and

armed guards. Our philosophy is the highest, but our

feet are still grounded in reality.

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama

Rama Rama Hare Hare

Abhilash

--- U4 <unni_u4 wrote:

> Hello,

> I think there i sno need to allow all people to be

> allowed in.

> Only those and those who are devotees of

> GURUVAYOORAPPAN can enter into the temple. As temple

> is a place where all go to have nice and peaceful

> time.

> If a non belevier can go into he will entering into

> the temple but still he donot follow the Krishna?

> How

> can the be there is only one and only one Lord.

>

> He will even hesitate to utter Lords name insdie

> temple even.

>

> Even if any NON hindu enter into soon he will be

> eliminated by his own poeple.

> So let it continue and there is no need to be

> allowed.

> OM Namaho NARAYANA.

> Unni

>

> --- GOPI NAIR <gopi_nair37 wrote:

>

> > So called minority appeasement... I appreciate

> > Abhi's wish. I wish too... As we all know

> > Unnikkannan, Sri Gurupavanapuresan he is the

> > protector and preserver of all universe.

> >

> > Let all the beings understand the truth and

> leave

> > all false man made books and find the truth from

> our

> > Parthasarathi's own words from the great " Bhagawat

> > Geetha " understand it well and bring the harmony

> of

> > love in this world.

> >

> > We hindus already compromised more than enough..

> > No need for more compromise to show our greatness.

> >

> > Being polite and great our temples of Sri

> Krishna

> > demolished by Pakistanis.

> > Abhi knows well that how much our

> Krishnabhakthas

> > of ISKCON are troubledvaround the world.

> >

> > They have a agenda to misuse our tenderness...

> Be

> > careful before you adopt others.

> >

> > All are not parsis, who minkled like the water

> in

> > the milk. Others being born in India, they are

> > entertaining their minds against India, see a

> > hydrabadhi gave Fatwa against " Vandemataram " ....

> be

> > in present world my dears....

> >

> > You will die, but let your kids be safe in their

> > own land. Be constructive.

> >

> > Let Srikrishna save us from all the evil powers

> > which cause problems in his devotee's minds.

> >

> > LET US STOP THIS.

> >

> > And i would like to request you all

> >

> > Abhilash Nair <abhilash_ramachandran

> > wrote:

> > Dear Sri Unnikrishnan,

> > Not to sound offensive in any way.

> >

> > Hindus can go to church and Mosques, if we have

> the

> > faith. But why is that we prevent people who have

> > faith in Guruvayoorappan to come over to our

> temple.

> > Aren't we being cruel here both to Guruvayoorappan

> > and

> > his devotees, too. Guruvayoorappan likes the

> company

> > of his devotees as much as the devotees enjoy the

> > company of Guruvayoorappan.

> >

> > There is no need to prevent anyone from

> approaching

> > Guruvayoorappan. If Bhagavan is everywhere, He is

> in

> > the temple, also. If devotees can see Him

> > everywhere,

> > such a devotee should be welcomed to the temple as

> > well.

> >

> > Not that this arguments among us will make any

> > difference in the governing or mind-set of temple

> > authorities. But, the stereo-type thinking of the

> > temple authorities should change.

> >

> > I would even go to the extend to say that any

> > devotee,

> > irrespective of caste/creed

> > (nampoodiri/nair/ezhava/pulaya/european/american)

> > should be made the poojari, if he has the right

> > knowledge and interest. Such time will also come.

>

> >

> > Namo Narayana

> > Abhilash

> >

> > --- unnikrishnan palapetty <unni2591

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Guruvayurappan Devotees,

> > >

> > > Om Namo Narayanaya,

> > >

> > > We are once again getting into this

> controversial

> > > subject. Can we not look at this issue in the

> > > following way? -

> > >

> > > All of us agree that Guruvayurappan is the

> > > Sarveswaran - protector and preserver of the

> > entire

> > > universe.

> > >

> > > It is His desire that some follow teachings in

> the

> > > Gita, some follow teachings in the Bible, and

> some

> > > Quran and so on. Accordingly Hindus follow Gita

> > and

> > > they go to Temples, Christians follow Bible and

> > they

> > > go to Churches, Muslims go to Mosques, and so on

> -

> > > He is the Sarveswaran and these are His

> > directions.

> > >

> > > As ordinary mortals, who are we to question His

> > > directions? Let people practising Hinduism

> > continue

> > > to go to Temples, people practising Christianity

> > > continue to go to Churches, and so on - because

> > > these are His directions. When somebody pray in

> a

> > > Church or a Mosque they are praying to none

> other

> > > than Guruvayurappan but in a form He has decided

> > to

> > > manifest there.

> > >

> > > The controversy about entry to a particular

> place

> > > of worship arises occasionally because at times

> we

> > > forget the fact that He is omnipresent and that

> He

> > > is the protector and preserver of the universe.

> As

> > > devotees, let us not forget this fundamental

> fact

> > > that everything happens the way He desires.

> > > Once we realise this we will be able to keep

> away

> > > controversial subjects and focus on serving His

> > > Lotus Feet.

> > >

> > > Let us pray to our Guruvayurappan that He be

> with

> > > us all the time.

> > >

> > > Hari Om

> > >

> > > Unnikrishnan Palapetty

> > >

> > > We get into the present controversy when we

> start

> > > questioning His directions which is not the

> > > objective of this group.

> > > Murali Ambala Kolliyil

> > > <muraliambalakolliyil wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Remember the words of Swami Vivekananda, " If I

> > want

> > > I could convert half of the world ... " Why he

> did

> > > not do that because it will not help the

> purpose.

> > > Anyone learns and adopting hinduism is the real

>

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Dear Sri Ganapathy,

This sentiment is not born out of

pseudo/neo-secularism, but genuine love for the Lord

and his devotees. Accept that it is a different

paradigm. Usualy new/different paradigms take time to

be popularly accepted. Do understand that the attempt

here was not to untimely topple the existing system.

Time is the greatest healer and changer. Things have

changed, and things will continue to change, with

time. Change is natural and Lord is the ultimate

controller.

Respect everyones views as they are all born of

genuine devotion to Guruvayoorappan, and have a reason

rooted in bhakti. This variety in bhakti is what makes

bhakti even sweeter, even more relishable. At the

lotus feet of Guruvayoorappan all opposing ideas are

automaticaly resolved.

Begging forgiveness if my words have in any way

brought pain to anyone of this group.

HAre Krishna

Abhilash

--- GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote:

> This debate is going on for some time with many

> members expressing for and against on an issue which

> does not hv much relevance to Bhakthy.If there is a

> custom in a temple for years the same must be

> followed irrespective of the Bhakthy concept.All who

> profess Bhakthy to Guruvayurappan need not be

> bhakthas and vice versa.There are certain

> codes,norms,principles enunciated by

> the ancient seers and the same shuld be followed

> and the same may vary from temple to temple.There is

> no use of crying wolf in such matters.In the case of

>

> Sri Padbhanaswamy temple of Trivandrum there is a

> code that darsan of the deity by the devotees won't

> be allowed when the maharaja of erstwhile Travancore

> comes for doing the pooja in the morning.As the Raja

> is considered to be a Padbhanabhadasa during the

> rule of Kings and the custom still continues.Can

> anyone object to the same by saying that the Kings

> hv already been divested of their posts.But still

> people venerate the custom and hv never raised any

> objection.

>

> Again in the temples of Kerala only and perhaps in

> some temples in other states

> the removal of shirts while entering the inner

> place of the prsiding Deity is

> prevalent.In no other states such a custom is

> there and anybody can go by wearing shirts and

> pants.In certain temples in North India the devotees

> are allowed even to touch and do the poojas to the

> presiding deity.It is no wonder that Melsanthi gets

> sweated coming from the sanctum sanctorum as the

> whole place is encompassed with stones and there is

> no air movement.So it is natural for any one to get

> sweat.That does not mean energy flows thru him.But

> in the case of Tripati where even the sanctum is air

> conditioned no such thing happens.Does that mean

> that deity has no power or vibration to send

> energy?So

> in a country like India where lot of superstitions

> are still prevalent it is not correct to try to

> alter the methods as the same won't get any good in

> the ultimate

> analysis.Devotees of Guruvayurappan think that He

> is there only forgetting that God is present

> everywhere.So too devotees as soon as they see Him

> during

> darsan time start shouting Narayana,Guruvayurappa

> etc threby disturbing the

> concentration of the silent praying devotees whose

> ears become deaf by that sound vibrations.Does those

> devotees in a hysterical mood think that

> Guruvayurappan is deaf if they pray silently.Did

> anybody try to prevent this?

> Why our forefathers preferred to do

> meditation,japa etc in the Brahma Muhurtha between 3

> and 5 a.m?Because at that time the world is still

> and the spiritual

> vibrations is very high and the devotee can

> concentrate without outside disturbances which he

> can't do during day time.Further who said that the

> Lord showers mercy only on those who see Him in the

> sanctorum shouting His name

> and not blessing those who stand outside mentally

> praying with all sincerity?

> As the same can't be gauged correctly there is no

> necessity for living in an

> imaginary world that Guruvayurappan will bless

> only those who see Him within His reach in the

> sanctorum and never bothers abt those who pray

> outside the temple.So again and again arguing in a

> frivoulous manner carry one nowhere.

> In fact God will be more merciful to the people

> whichever caste or religion they belong who worship

> from outside with eagerness and sincerity than those

> who make a bee line to worship Him inside.So there

> is nothing to worry abt the customs and rituals of

> the temple which has been going on for centuries and

> no

> interference is required.The so called neo

> secularists may cry from house top

> that injustice has been done.Why shuld they target

> only Guruvayur?What is the hidden agenda behind the

> same?First let them get themselves purified and

> thentake up the case of others.This is what perhaps

> God may also expect Of course this argument may not

> be palatable to many.Still I just brought this.When

> for centuries such customs hv been followed without

> objections why this sudden outburst?.

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> Abhilash Nair <abhilash_ramachandran

> wrote:

> Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

> Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

> Hare Rama Hare Rama

> Rama Rama Hare Hare

>

> Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

> Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

> Hare Rama Hare Rama

> Rama Rama Hare Hare

>

> Pls see the 3rd photo from top, in my blog.

> http://temples18.blogspot.com/

>

> Do you see the twins there. These brahmacaris are

> the

> head-pujaris of the most beutiful RadhaKrishna

> deities

> in the world. They are the most down to earth and

> amongst the most devout Krishna Bhaktas in this

> world.

> Their days and nights are spend in thinking " how to

> serve Radha Krishna better? " and acting in the most

> befitting manner. They are a great example and great

> inspiration, even for indians. Major portion of

> their

> life is spend decorating the deities, cooking for

> the

> deities, stitching newer and better clothes for

> Radha

> Krishna, performing arati for Radha Krishna, reading

> Gita and Bhagavatam.... still so simple and a

> feeling

> very humble and unqualified.

>

> To see a glimpse of their bhakti click below:

>

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/101/2110/1600/P2280211.jpg

>

> Now, you may decide for yourself, if bhakti if

> bhakti

> of Krishna needs to be kept in a shelf or needs to

> be

> distributed.

>

> If you want to know what the Guruvayoorappan wants,

> just read the gita:

>

> 18.67

> This confidential knowledge may not be explained to

> those who are not austere, or devoted, or engaged in

> devotional service, nor to one who is envious of Me.

> 18.68

> For one who explains the supreme secret to the

> devotees, devotional service is guaranteed, and at

> the

> end he will come back to Me.

> 18.69

> There is no servant in this world more dear to Me

> than

> he, nor will there ever be one more dear.

>

> " Devotee/bhakta " does not mean born-Hindus. That has

> been already proved.

>

> All said and done, don't forget the metal detector

> and

> armed guards. Our philosophy is the highest, but our

> feet are still grounded in reality.

>

> Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

> Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

> Hare Rama Hare Rama

> Rama Rama Hare Hare

> Abhilash

>

> --- U4 <unni_u4 wrote:

>

> > Hello,

> > I think there i sno need to allow all people to be

> > allowed in.

> > Only those and those who are devotees of

> > GURUVAYOORAPPAN can enter into the temple. As

> temple

> > is a place where all go to have nice and peaceful

> > time.

> > If a non belevier can go into he will entering

> into

> > the temple but still he donot follow the Krishna?

> > How

> > can the be there is only one and only one Lord.

> >

> > He will even hesitate to utter Lords name insdie

> > temple even.

> >

> > Even if any NON hindu enter into soon he will be

> > eliminated by his own poeple.

> > So let it continue and there is no need to be

> > allowed.

> > OM Namaho NARAYANA.

> > Unni

> >

> > --- GOPI NAIR <gopi_nair37 wrote:

> >

> > > So called minority appeasement... I appreciate

> > > Abhi's wish. I wish too... As we all know

> > > Unnikkannan, Sri Gurupavanapuresan he is the

> > > protector and preserver of all universe.

>

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June 20, 2006

Hari Om!

I find Sri Ganapathy Raman's posting very much

appealing. Certain customs are best left alone as long

as there is no blatant human right issues or abuse

take place. I am happy to have the darsan of the Lord

from far or closer- equally happy and content.

If we question some of the customs that we dont like,

other customs also will be subjected to such questions

by some one else and will leave the whole experience

of a darsan less valuable for an ordinary seeker like

me. For example, if a devaprasnam is done - as they

are doing one in Sabarimala now- a few bhakthas may

say that they dont believe in it and that kind of an

argument can affect the whole temple culture. I would

like to see Guruvayor the same with all its ancient

rituals, rules and regulations intact.

Regarding the temple rituals and customs, some one

told me that they are like teh work done in a

chemistry lab. For instance, those who know the

essence of certain procedures will appreciate why a

chemist is adding water to acid and not the other way

round- i.e, acid to water. Some one with no or partial

knowledge will keep arguing; but the principles will

remain unchanged whether we argue or not.

Hari Om!

Sukumar

--- GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote:

> This debate is going on for some time with many

> members expressing for and against on an issue which

> does not hv much relevance to Bhakthy.If there is a

> custom in a temple for years the same must be

> followed irrespective of the Bhakthy concept.All who

> profess Bhakthy to Guruvayurappan need not be

> bhakthas and vice versa.There are certain

> codes,norms,principles enunciated by

> the ancient seers and the same shuld be followed

> and the same may vary from temple to temple.There is

> no use of crying wolf in such matters.In the case of

>

> Sri Padbhanaswamy temple of Trivandrum there is a

> code that darsan of the deity by the devotees won't

> be allowed when the maharaja of erstwhile Travancore

> comes for doing the pooja in the morning.As the Raja

> is considered to be a Padbhanabhadasa during the

> rule of Kings and the custom still continues.Can

> anyone object to the same by saying that the Kings

> hv already been divested of their posts.But still

> people venerate the custom and hv never raised any

> objection.

>

> Again in the temples of Kerala only and perhaps in

> some temples in other states

> the removal of shirts while entering the inner

> place of the prsiding Deity is

> prevalent.In no other states such a custom is

> there and anybody can go by wearing shirts and

> pants.In certain temples in North India the devotees

> are allowed even to touch and do the poojas to the

> presiding deity.It is no wonder that Melsanthi gets

> sweated coming from the sanctum sanctorum as the

> whole place is encompassed with stones and there is

> no air movement.So it is natural for any one to get

> sweat.That does not mean energy flows thru him.But

> in the case of Tripati where even the sanctum is air

> conditioned no such thing happens.Does that mean

> that deity has no power or vibration to send

> energy?So

> in a country like India where lot of superstitions

> are still prevalent it is not correct to try to

> alter the methods as the same won't get any good in

> the ultimate

> analysis.Devotees of Guruvayurappan think that He

> is there only forgetting that God is present

> everywhere.So too devotees as soon as they see Him

> during

> darsan time start shouting Narayana,Guruvayurappa

> etc threby disturbing the

> concentration of the silent praying devotees whose

> ears become deaf by that sound vibrations.Does those

> devotees in a hysterical mood think that

> Guruvayurappan is deaf if they pray silently.Did

> anybody try to prevent this?

> Why our forefathers preferred to do

> meditation,japa etc in the Brahma Muhurtha between 3

> and 5 a.m?Because at that time the world is still

> and the spiritual

> vibrations is very high and the devotee can

> concentrate without outside disturbances which he

> can't do during day time.Further who said that the

> Lord showers mercy only on those who see Him in the

> sanctorum shouting His name

> and not blessing those who stand outside mentally

> praying with all sincerity?

> As the same can't be gauged correctly there is no

> necessity for living in an

> imaginary world that Guruvayurappan will bless

> only those who see Him within His reach in the

> sanctorum and never bothers abt those who pray

> outside the temple.So again and again arguing in a

> frivoulous manner carry one nowhere.

> In fact God will be more merciful to the people

> whichever caste or religion they belong who worship

> from outside with eagerness and sincerity than those

> who make a bee line to worship Him inside.So there

> is nothing to worry abt the customs and rituals of

> the temple which has been going on for centuries and

> no

> interference is required.The so called neo

> secularists may cry from house top

> that injustice has been done.Why shuld they target

> only Guruvayur?What is the hidden agenda behind the

> same?First let them get themselves purified and

> thentake up the case of others.This is what perhaps

> God may also expect Of course this argument may not

> be palatable to many.Still I just brought this.When

> for centuries such customs hv been followed without

> objections why this sudden outburst?.

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> Abhilash Nair <abhilash_ramachandran

> wrote:

> Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

> Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

> Hare Rama Hare Rama

> Rama Rama Hare Hare

>

> Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

> Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

> Hare Rama Hare Rama

> Rama Rama Hare Hare

>

> Pls see the 3rd photo from top, in my blog.

> http://temples18.blogspot.com/

>

> Do you see the twins there. These brahmacaris are

> the

> head-pujaris of the most beutiful RadhaKrishna

> deities

> in the world. They are the most down to earth and

> amongst the most devout Krishna Bhaktas in this

> world.

> Their days and nights are spend in thinking " how to

> serve Radha Krishna better? " and acting in the most

> befitting manner. They are a great example and great

> inspiration, even for indians. Major portion of

> their

> life is spend decorating the deities, cooking for

> the

> deities, stitching newer and better clothes for

> Radha

> Krishna, performing arati for Radha Krishna, reading

> Gita and Bhagavatam.... still so simple and a

> feeling

> very humble and unqualified.

>

> To see a glimpse of their bhakti click below:

>

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/101/2110/1600/P2280211.jpg

>

> Now, you may decide for yourself, if bhakti if

> bhakti

> of Krishna needs to be kept in a shelf or needs to

> be

> distributed.

>

> If you want to know what the Guruvayoorappan wants,

> just read the gita:

>

> 18.67

> This confidential knowledge may not be explained to

> those who are not austere, or devoted, or engaged in

> devotional service, nor to one who is envious of Me.

> 18.68

> For one who explains the supreme secret to the

> devotees, devotional service is guaranteed, and at

> the

> end he will come back to Me.

> 18.69

> There is no servant in this world more dear to Me

> than

> he, nor will there ever be one more dear.

>

> " Devotee/bhakta " does not mean born-Hindus. That has

> been already proved.

>

> All said and done, don't forget the metal detector

> and

> armed guards. Our philosophy is the highest, but our

> feet are still grounded in reality.

>

> Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

> Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

> Hare Rama Hare Rama

> Rama Rama Hare Hare

> Abhilash

>

> --- U4 <unni_u4 wrote:

>

> > Hello,

> > I think there i sno need to allow all people to be

> > allowed in.

> > Only those and those who are devotees of

> > GURUVAYOORAPPAN can enter into the temple. As

> temple

> > is a place where all go to have nice and peaceful

> > time.

> > If a non belevier can go into he will entering

> into

> > the temple but still he donot follow the Krishna?

> > How

> > can the be there is only one and only one Lord.

> >

> > He will even hesitate to utter Lords name insdie

> > temple even.

> >

> > Even if any NON hindu enter into soon he will be

> > eliminated by his own poeple.

> > So let it continue and there is no need to be

> > allowed.

> > OM Namaho NARAYANA.

> > Unni

> >

> > --- GOPI NAIR <gopi_nair37 wrote:

> >

> > > So called minority appeasement... I appreciate

> > > Abhi's wish. I wish too... As we all know

> > > Unnikkannan, Sri Gurupavanapuresan he is the

> > > protector and preserver of all universe.

>

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