defense by one of the disciples of HH Jayapataka Swami Maharaj

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The following is a chat where one of the discples offers defense

against some of my charges.

 

Rajaram Venkataramani: haribol.

jndas : hare krishna

Rajaram Venkataramani: do you have access to kapyasa koumudi and

brahma vidya abaranam

jndas : no

Rajaram Venkataramani: how do you reconcile literary and factual

errors by acharyas ? the intention is curiosity not offense.

jndas : cite some examples and I can reply

Rajaram Venkataramani: to make sure that you understand my neutrality

let me first quote an error by kanchi maha periyaval. in one of his

published lectures he quotes the verse 11.8 in which the last word

according to him is isvaram referring to lord siva as well.

though "one can stretch" it that way that is not how other scholars

translate. so, without explanation in accordance with the rules of

grammar it may be considered a literary flaw. now as far as srila

prabhupada is concerned, he translates Sveteshvatara Upanishad (4.9)

kesagra verse incompletely leaving out the words bhaaga anantyaaya.

based on this one of his grand disciples concluded that the atomic

has a definite material dimension!!

jndas : he has paraphrased

jndas : there is no fault in paraphrasing a translation to support a

particular point

jndas : when another point is needed to be made, the verse may be

paraphrased in another way

jndas : everyone does this

jndas : verse have multiple meanings and angles, and not all must be

explained each time the verse is cited

Rajaram Venkataramani: hmm. the following is an example of factual

error. in BG krishnadasa is listed as the guru of narottama but in

other works lokanath is.

jndas : vande gurun isha bhakta

jndas : guru is plural

jndas : our parampara is not based on diksha

Rajaram Venkataramani: did narottama meet krishnadasa ? what were

their times ?

jndas : guru does not need to be met

jndas : the nitya siddhas can guide us by their mercy

Rajaram Venkataramani: i cant forget to remember the title i gave

you - "krishna's attorney". ha ha. how do you reconcile with

spiritual judgement where people considered great by Srila Prabhupada

such as Kirtananda fell down.

jndas : prabhupada encouraged his fallen disciples

jndas : but he also said they were fools

jndas : prabhupada instructed all of us to become spiritual masters

jndas : some tried and failed

Rajaram Venkataramani: how do you reconcile with the errors in usage

of english language ?

jndas : the editors fault

jndas : prabhupada's books were full of english mistakes

jndas : you should see his pre america books

jndas : pre-1965

jndas : the english grammar is full of mistakes

jndas : he never claimed to be an english professor

jndas : krishna also fails some exams in gurukula

jndas : that is lila

Rajaram Venkataramani: good. i will post it in achintya. they may

like it.

jndas : according to the scriptures the pure devotee is full of all

mystic oppulences

jndas : and the vedanta sutra says the jivan-mukta is omniscient

jndas : this is the word of the shastra