Debate on 8th sloka of 3rd chapter of BhavatGeeta.

Respected Sir,

Namasthe,

In 8th sloka,3 rd chapter of BhagavatGeeta Lord Krishna preached Arjuna

to perform hs Assigned Duty whole heatedly and it is better to do than

Without doing anything.He futhur said that man cannot sit idle without doing

any thing.

At the time of Mahabharatha there exists Class system in INDIA, Arjuna

being kshatriya ,his assigned duty is to fight with the enemies, and so he

was

advised to face the enimies in the battle without retreate.

In the presentdays times have been changed, No class system ,No assigned

duties..Since Lord Krishna's statements are applicable to all times

How we can interpret(understand) the same statement for the present

conditions.

I hope this is one of the good topic of debate by Group members.

Sir,Does this come under Message or post ?

Hari Ohm sastry

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advaitin , ayyappa sastry <bagawan_sastry

wrote:

>

> Respected Sir,

> Namasthe,

> In 8th sloka,3 rd chapter of BhagavatGeeta Lord Krishna preached

Arjuna

> to perform hs Assigned Duty whole heatedly and it is better to do than

> Without doing anything.He futhur said that man cannot sit idle without

doing

> any thing.

> At the time of Mahabharatha there exists Class system in INDIA, Arjuna

> being kshatriya ,his assigned duty is to fight with the enemies, and

so he was

> advised to face the enimies in the battle without retreate.

> In the presentdays times have been changed, No class system ,No

assigned duties..Since Lord Krishna's statements are applicable to all

times

> How we can interpret(understand) the same statement for the present

conditions.

> I hope this is one of the good topic of debate by Group members.

Yes, Lord Krishna's statements are applicable to all times, because the

agenda has been the same all the times, how to liberate from bondage of

all types (fears,angers, lusts, attachements etc,....) etc.......and

become one (moksha, brahma nirvanam,.....) peaceful being. The

conditions and times have changed definitely, hence one has to apply the

methods with an open mind and flexible attitude individually in

colloboration with experienced guides or masters who can experiment and

clarify more lucidly to the genuine seeker on how to lead a balanced

life in these modern times. I mean, we have a stereotyped image/s of

those great old-days! But outer-world might have changed a lot, The

inner world (human mind-consciousness) has not changed that much. Hence

a diamond is needed to cut the Mind (diamond). There is no time beyond

mind, hence Gita becomes current and you become the Arjuna and Lord

Krishna teaches you again, again and agian the cycle goes on and on like

this......Hence Lord Krishna is a timeless/nameless being......So are

the 'all' revealed-teachings......The more open yourself, the more they

will come to you and guide you........

> Sir,Does this come under Message or post ?

both mean the same (in the parlance;).........

> Hari Ohm sastry

namaste,

::::::anand

advaitin , ayyappa sastry <bagawan_sastry

wrote:

> In the presentdays times have been changed, No class

> system ,No assigned duties..Since Lord Krishna's statements are

> applicable to all times

> How we can interpret(understand) the same statement for the

> present conditions.

Hari Om!

This is not to debate! But just sharing a parable I heard from

Swami Jyotirmayanandaji in this context.

There was a menacing robber in a village whose profession was

robbery! Of course, he would only rob neighbouring villages but

not his own. In his village, he lead a decent life in fact,

supporting some charitable organizations with the money he looted

from his robberies.

One day hearing that a mahatma was visiting his village and seeing

that every one was seeking guidance from him, this robber also

set out to have the darshan of the mahatma. And he went carrying

armed with his stout stick to mahatma and told him about his

robberies. True to his natural tendency he demanded the mahatma

to give him 'mantra' to get over his sins, even wielding his

stick!

Looking at the almost threatening manner of the robber, the mahatma

asked the robber to go to a forest and plant his stick there first.

Then he asked him to every night, water the stick while reciting

Lord's name. And when the stick sprouts leaves, it would signify

that his sins have ended.

And so the robber began going every night to the forest to water

the stick and recite Lord's name. It went on for a while, and

needless to say no sign whatsoever of the stick sprouting!

However, one night during his trip to forest, he overheard

couple people plotting something terrible. One of them wanted to

just kill the village-head because of some past rivalry. And

the other thought it is safer to burn down the entire village

while sleeping because that will ensure that there is no evidence

left! Eventually, they seem to agree to burn down the village as

the plan of their action.

Hearing all this robber realized the magnitude of disaster

impending in his village. In few seconds his whole village might

go up in flames by the arson. Right then, he pulled out the stick

he planted in the forest as part of his 'deeksha' (discipline)

and using it smashed the head(s) of the robbers about to commit

the arson! In the process spilt and fell on that stick.

Right then, that stick began to sprout with many leaves!

Conclusion: Swamiji said using our strength or skill(s)

at right time, for right cause in a right way is following dharma.

Hari Om!

-Srinivas