Chart on Advaitic Cosmology

Namaste

I would appreciate receiving suggestions as to possible improvements of the

following chart on advaitic cosmology: (Maybe 'cosmology' is not the word):

http://www.geocities.com/profvk/LHGWchart1.html

praNAms to all advaitins

profvk

Prof. V. Krishnamurthy

My website on Science and Spirituality is http://www.geocities.com/profvk/

You can access my book on Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought Vision and

Practice, and my father R. Visvanatha Sastri's manuscripts from the site.

Also see the webpages on Paramacharya's Soundaryalahari :

http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/DPDS.html

Namaste Professor,

The picture looks good. I was trying to find on the Internet a small

powerpoint presentation by Dr Bansi Pandit, but couldn't. It had

some pictorial perspectives almost like the one you have drawn

In a related matter, I am wondering if you have come across a book my

Prof Stanley Sobottka at the Univ of Virginia. He has written an

excellent book on Consciousness which can be found at

http//faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness.

Starting from the various philosophical schools, and going through

quantum mechanics, relativity, non-locality he winds up in Advaita

Vedanta.

One wonders who understood the Universe better - Albert Einstein or

Adi Shankaracharya?

.. advaitin, "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk>

wrote:

> Namaste

>

> I would appreciate receiving suggestions ....>

http://www.geocities.com/profvk/LHGWchart1.html

>

> praNAms to all advaitins

> profvk

>

>

> Prof. V. Krishnamurthy

>

Namaste Parameswaranji,

advaitin, "C.C.Parameswaran" <siva6635>

wrote:

> One wonders who understood the Universe better - Albert Einstein or

> Adi Shankaracharya?

Adi Shankaracharya.

Pranams,

Chittaranjan

Namaste SrI Krishnamurthy gaaru,

The chart is good Sir, but it gives me the impression that parA-

shakti is associated with nirguNa brahman. As far as my limited

knowledge goes, Sakti is associated with ISwara. Your chart also

gives me the impression that the Shakti "becomes" jIva and ISwara,

while as far as I know it, the Atman itself "becomes"(in whatever

sense) both jIva and ISwara. Your chart further leaves out avidya and

mAya from the main equation - a point which I am not able to

understand.

One suggestion from my side. Let there be a dotted line between Atman

and anything else which is "related" to the Atman, so that the

relation is known to be false.

Regards

Raghavendra

advaitin, "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk>

wrote:

> Namaste

>

> I would appreciate receiving suggestions as to possible

improvements of the following chart on advaitic cosmology:

(Maybe 'cosmology' is not the word):

>

> http://www.geocities.com/profvk/LHGWchart1.html

>

> praNAms to all advaitins

> profvk

>

>

> Prof. V. Krishnamurthy

> My website on Science and Spirituality is

http://www.geocities.com/profvk/

> You can access my book on Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought

Vision and Practice, and my father R. Visvanatha Sastri's

manuscripts from the site.

> Also see the webpages on Paramacharya's Soundaryalahari :

> http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/DPDS.html

>

>

Namaste SrI Siva gaaru,

> One wonders who understood the Universe better - Albert Einstein or

> Adi Shankaracharya?

Einstein understood the universe better but Sankaracharya understood

that which is beyond the universe. The latter form of understanding

would make the former unnecessary.

I am also skeptical of any attempts to relate advaita-vedAnta to

quantum mechanics etc. How can we understand the Atman by looking at

the objective world? How can the nirguNa Atman possibly be

comprehended by the Laws of Physics?

Regards

Raghavendra

NAMASKAARAMS.

the science of the mind is the ultimate

science.

the eastern scientists [rishis] have

delved into it and given humanity infinite outputs.

they have indeed mastered it to its limits.

the west has begun to scratch at tip of

the surface of this iceberg.

a.v.krshan.

--- Chittaranjan Naik <chittaranjan_naik

wrote: > Namaste Parameswaranji,

>

>

> advaitin, "C.C.Parameswaran"

> <siva6635>

> wrote:

>

> > One wonders who understood the Universe better -

> Albert Einstein or

> > Adi Shankaracharya?

>

> Adi Shankaracharya.

>

> Pranams,

> Chittaranjan

>

>

>

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Parameswaranji:

"One wonders who understood the Universe better -

Albert Einstein or Adi Shankaracharya?"

Chittaranjanji:

"Adi Shankaracharya"

Correct answer:

"What universe?" :-)

Hari Om!

Benjamin

Namaste Prof. Krishnamurthyji.

You indeed took up a very difficult and daunting task in charting the

anirvacanIya!

A different idea strikes me.

Here are my thoughts if they are of any worth:

Cosmology is a science or theory of the universe. Thus, advaitic

cosmology is expected to explain how this universe becomes manifest

as per advaita.

Manifest to whom? To me.

Isn't it then better that the starting point be "I" from where

the `process' begins?

What is the end-point then? That again would be the starting

point "I" on the strength of the mahAvAkyAs `tat tvam asi', `thou

art that' and `aham brahmAsmi'.

The chart would thus be circular (cyclic) and the whole `process'

(inclusive of adhyAsA, the experienced universe, etc.) from "I" back

to "I" nothing but an error (miTyA).

One face of the "I" is the limited jIvA. The other – the limitless,

all encompassing yet attributeless Brahman we describe as sat-chit-

Ananda. The projected universe begins and subsides there.

Looks like this is what has already been accomplished in the Sri

Chakra! The bindu is me. All the rest of the miTyA are then to be

appropriately assigned to the AvaranAs.

PraNAms.

Madathil Nair

Namaste Sri Krishnamurthyji,

here are my thoughts on the chart :

1) we have Ishwara under a tiny fragment under Shakthi. Isn't Ishwara above and

he himself supposedly the weilder of Maya / Shakthi ? At least, that's what I

thought Krishna says in the Gita.

2) Everything is shown to be coming from Nirguna Brahman far above. But is this

the real implied meaning here ? Everything is a transformation of Brahman. Can

we ever capture this.. ? Maybe a whole from which subsets are formed. But if you

really think , there is no possible relationship between Maya and Brahman. If we

know, we can explain the universe away, can't we ? just wondering how you can

ever capture it in a picture .

Regards

Guruprasad

"V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk wrote:

Namaste

I would appreciate receiving suggestions as to possible improvements of the

following chart on advaitic cosmology: (Maybe 'cosmology' is not the word):

http://www.geocities.com/profvk/LHGWchart1.html

praNAms to all advaitins

profvk

Prof. V. Krishnamurthy

My website on Science and Spirituality is http://www.geocities.com/profvk/

You can access my book on Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought Vision and

Practice, and my father R. Visvanatha Sastri's manuscripts from the site.

Also see the webpages on Paramacharya's Soundaryalahari :

http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/DPDS.html

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advaitin, "C.C.Parameswaran" <siva6635>

wrote:

>

> Namaste Professor,

>

> The picture looks good. I was trying to find on the Internet a

small

> powerpoint presentation by Dr Bansi Pandit, but couldn't. It had

> some pictorial perspectives almost like the one you have drawn

>

> In a related matter, I am wondering if you have come across a book

my

> Prof Stanley Sobottka at the Univ of Virginia. He has written an

> excellent book on Consciousness which can be found at

> http//faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness.

>

> Starting from the various philosophical schools, and going through

> quantum mechanics, relativity, non-locality he winds up in Advaita

> Vedanta.

Namaste,

I am not able to locate any book of the type you mention under the

web address you have quoted. Can you help?

PKraNAms to all advaitins

profvk

you need a ' colon, : ' after the http...

here is the web address :

http://faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness/

I am able to load it in my machine.

Regards

Guruprasad

"V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk wrote:

advaitin, "C.C.Parameswaran" <siva6635>

wrote:

>

> Namaste Professor,

>

> The picture looks good. I was trying to find on the Internet a

small

> powerpoint presentation by Dr Bansi Pandit, but couldn't. It had

> some pictorial perspectives almost like the one you have drawn

>

> In a related matter, I am wondering if you have come across a book

my

> Prof Stanley Sobottka at the Univ of Virginia. He has written an

> excellent book on Consciousness which can be found at

> http//faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness.

>

> Starting from the various philosophical schools, and going through

> quantum mechanics, relativity, non-locality he winds up in Advaita

> Vedanta.

Namaste,

I am not able to locate any book of the type you mention under the

web address you have quoted. Can you help?

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Namaste Sri Guruprasad:

First, let me assure ProfVK used to be teaching mathematics and

infinite algebra and a tiny frament of 'infinity' is also infinity!

Also, please note that quite a few framework of thoughts can explain

the Advaitic Cosmology and ProfVK has tried to consolidate several of

them in the chart. The task is quite complex and he tried his level

best to explain inside the boxes. If he tries to explain with more

details, the chart will run into several pages which will likely

bring more questions.

The BMI chart of Swami Chinmayananda is quite simple and illustrate

the path to liberation very elegantly. Refer to the following article

in the list for more explanations:

(http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m301.html)

However, a simplified chart may not provide all the details and

ProfVK's chart tries to fill this gap. Let me take this opportunity

to provide my suggestions to ProfVK:

Make two different charts:

(1) Parameswara/Parasakti/Manifestation/ Arthanareeswar cosmology

(2) Brahman/Maya/Iswara/Jiva/Karma/Liberation Advaita Cosmology

Then how explain how they can be brought under a uniform framework

and provide all necessary assumptions and caveats.

I hope that this helps,

Warmest regards,

Ram Chandran

advaitin, Guru Venkat <v_vedanti> wrote:

> Namaste Sri Krishnamurthyji,

> here are my thoughts on the chart :

>

> 1) we have Ishwara under a tiny fragment under Shakthi. Isn't

Ishwara above and he himself supposedly the weilder of Maya /

Shakthi ? At least, that's what I thought Krishna says in the Gita.

> 2) Everything is shown to be coming from Nirguna Brahman far above.

But is this the real implied meaning here ?

Namaste Ramachandranji,

Many thanks for referring us to Sadaji'd post on Causal Body. It's

an absolute classic. Till I read the message I did not even know

that I did not understand causal body as well as I should. Towards

the end of the message Sadaji says:

"Some time back I had article on who is the deep sleeper I, may be

one can download from the files if one is interested - it analyzes

the anirvachaniiyam aspect. In the past, there were several

interesting discussions on that topic on advaita list."

Could you please let me have the reference of the article Sadaji

mentions about. Many thanks once again.

pranams,

Venkat - M

Namaste:

I suggest the following discussions of Sadaji for those interested

which contain the discussions. In addition, I also suggest members

to read the Advaita Manjari part 5 published couple of months back.

The contains over 20 thousand discussions and interested members

should be able to go back and read the earlier discussions. Those

interested should go to the http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin

site and at Search the Advaitin list: ype any key word, for

example "anirvachaniiyam" and click search. You will get a large list

of discussions that contain the key word. This is the best way of

novice members to get some fundamentals.

Warmest regards,

Ram Chandran

Key Articles by Sadaji on mandukya karika, deep sleeper and

anirvachaniiyam:

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http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m10220.html

http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m9280.html

http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m8286.html

http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m725.html

http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m709.html

http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m8385.html

http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m8071.html

http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m6329.html

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advaitin, "S. Venkatraman" <svenkat52>

wrote:

> Namaste Ramachandranji,

>

> Many thanks for referring us to Sadaji'd post on Causal Body. It's

> an absolute classic. Till I read the message I did not even know

> that I did not understand causal body as well as I should. Towards

> the end of the message Sadaji says:

>

> "Some time back I had article on who is the deep sleeper I, may be

> one can download from the files if one is interested - it analyzes

> the anirvachaniiyam aspect. In the past, there were several

> interesting discussions on that topic on advaita list."

>

> Could you please let me have the reference of the article Sadaji

> mentions about. Many thanks once again.

>

> pranams,

> Venkat - M