Hari: Om

Namaste,

I stand corrected.Please accept my apologies for the mistake.

Vijayakumar

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Jaishankar Narayanan <jaishankar_n

<advaitin >

Thursday, November 18, 1999 12:10 PM

Hari: Om

> "Jaishankar Narayanan" <jaishankar_n

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> "Jyothi Vijayakumar" <nandini wrote

>

> ' "Harihi Om" is used while chanting vedic mantras as this is traditional.

> But "Hari Om" sounds more personable. Could it be because "hari" is

> 'sambodhanaa prathamaa" ( vocative case) for the noun Hari? When

addressing

> someone this form of address brings out the sense of bhakti."

>

> 'Hari' is not the Sambodhana Prathama form of the Pratipadikam (Noun stem)

> 'Hari', but it is 'Hare' like in 'Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare

Hare'.

> So in 'Hari Om', "Hari' cannot be Sambodhana Prathama( Vocative Singular).

>

> with love and prayers,

>

> Jaishankar.

>

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At 05:10 PM 11/18/99 IST, Jaishankar Narayanan wrote:

>"Jaishankar Narayanan" <jaishankar_n

>

>Dear Friends,

>

>"Jyothi Vijayakumar" <nandini wrote

>

>' "Harihi Om" is used while chanting vedic mantras as this is traditional.

>But "Hari Om" sounds more personable. Could it be because "hari" is

>'sambodhanaa prathamaa" ( vocative case) for the noun Hari? When addressing

>someone this form of address brings out the sense of bhakti."

>

>'Hari' is not the Sambodhana Prathama form of the Pratipadikam (Noun stem)

>'Hari', but it is 'Hare' like in 'Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare'.

>So in 'Hari Om', "Hari' cannot be Sambodhana Prathama( Vocative Singular).

>

>with love and prayers,

Thank you for the linguistic clarification. When all is said and done,

which version is preferable for e-mail messages like the ones in this forum?

Om!

--Greg

Dear Friends,

"Jyothi Vijayakumar" <nandini wrote

' "Harihi Om" is used while chanting vedic mantras as this is traditional.

But "Hari Om" sounds more personable. Could it be because "hari" is

'sambodhanaa prathamaa" ( vocative case) for the noun Hari? When addressing

someone this form of address brings out the sense of bhakti."

'Hari' is not the Sambodhana Prathama form of the Pratipadikam (Noun stem)

'Hari', but it is 'Hare' like in 'Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare'.

So in 'Hari Om', "Hari' cannot be Sambodhana Prathama( Vocative Singular).

with love and prayers,

Jaishankar.

Aum!

Sanskrit was the classical literary language of the Indian Hindus. The

structure of Sanskrit language is beautiful, scientific and quite complicated.

Panini the Sanskrit grammarian gave a comprehensive and scientific theory of

phonetics, phonology, and morphology. .

In a treatise called Astadhyayi Panini distinguishes between the language of

sacred texts and the usual language of communication. Panini gives formal

production rules and definitions to describe Sanskrit grammar. The construction

of sentences, compound nouns etc. is explained as ordered rules operating on

underlying structures in a manner similar to modern theory.

Panini should be thought of as the forerunner of the modern formal language

theory used to specify computer languages. The Backus Normal Form was discovered

independently by John Backus in 1959, but Panini's notation is equivalent in its

power of that of Backus and has many similar properties. (References: 1.P. Z.

Ingerman, 'Panini-Backus form' suggested, Communications of the ACM 10

(3)(1967), 137.

See Also URL:

http://www.math.csusb.edu/history/public_html/Mathematicians/Panini.html)

The logical structure exhibited in Sanskrit has been recognized to be quite

suitable in writing computer codes "Artificial Intelligence" applications.

Panini's grammar has been investigated by computer experience and few years

back, an article from a NASA scientist discusses the relevance of Sanskrit in

artificial intelligence applications. (I had a copy of that article and I

couldn't trace the reference and somebody in the list may be able to help.)

Now coming back to the question raised by Craig, my intuition says, do what you

think is right based on your "Swadharma." India represents a country of

diversity with many languages, beliefs and traditions. Sanskrit was the only

medium of expression in the ancient times and now we have many languages and the

usage of terms such as "Hari" or "Om" varies due to different phonetic and

grammatical structure. Hari is in all languages and in viShNu sahasranAmam, Hari

is called by 1008 different attributed names.. To me, it doesn't matter how you

address me, but what matters is what you write in the body and your expression

of love and support to the fellows around you. But I fully respect Shri

Jaishankar's love for Sanskrit, his love for Vedic Traditions and his clarity of

exposition. All of us did learn some important points during this discussion

and we owe a great deal to him. In addition to Hari, HariH, Harihi, and Hari:

variations, Om is also expressed by Aum. In fact correct phonetic expression

is "Aum

Om!

Aum!

Hari

HariH

Hari:

Hari Om!

HariH Om!

Hari: Om!

Harihi Aum!

Hari: Aum!

Hari: Aum!

Hurry Home! (Quickly come back to "Self," the original resting place of Jeeva)

Greg Goode writes:

> Thank you for the linguistic clarification. When all is said and done,

> which version is preferable for e-mail messages like the ones in this forum?

Om!

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