Guest guest Report post Posted March 28, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear Zoran One who is in pursuit of the purity of Naarayana and the knowledge of Shiva will never be satisfied by throwing coal into a river. Think for yourself. Another point - just check your own chart. There would be some strong Rahu influence to draw you into this veil that will ultimately destroy your fine learning.With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - Zoran Radosavljevic varahamihira Thursday, March 28, 2002 7:17 AM [Hare Rama Krishna] Lal Kitab Jaya Jagannath! Dear Sanjay, Yes I am aware of it.. There are just some excellent points about graha positions in bhavas.. For example when discussing position of graha placement, Lal Kitab, gave number of refernces on Bhava Karaka positions which in turn affected grahas placed in Bhavas.. What do you think of remedial measures given in Lal Kitab? Some are very simple and appealing.. Best wishes, Zoran -- Zoran Radosavljevic Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre mails: ahimsa ahimsa web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 28, 2002 Namaste Sanjay, Ok.. I got it:))) Thanks Best wishes Zoran Sanjay Rath wrote: om gurave namah ------------------------ Dear ZoranOne who is in pursuit of the purity of Naarayana and the knowledge of Shiva will never be satisfied by throwing coal into a river. Think for yourself.Another point - just check your own chart. There would be some strong Rahu influence to draw you into this veil that will ultimately destroy your fine learning. With best wishes Sanjay Rath Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - Zoran Radosavljevic varahamihira Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 7:17 AM[Hare Rama Krishna] Lal Kitab Jaya Jagannath! Dear Sanjay, Yes I am aware of it.. There are just some excellent points about graha positions in bhavas.. For example when discussing position of graha placement, Lal Kitab, gave number of refernces on Bhava Karaka positions which in turn affected grahas placed in Bhavas.. What do you think of remedial measures given in Lal Kitab? Some are very simple and appealing.. Best wishes, Zoran -- Zoran Radosavljevic Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre mails: ahimsa ahimsa web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu OM TAT SAT Archive: varahamihira Files: varahamihira varahamihira/database Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 3, 2007 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Thank you for the efforts. That article must be a eye-opener for many interested in Lalkitab. Yes there are many differences just like vehicles that move persons, Car,Aeroplane, Trains, Cycle etc. The only common factor is all of these is transporting. In Lalkitab too, as you rightly presented in this detailed Document, only the planets, deities, House attributes remain the same, but the techniques differ totally. At times the mentioned matters in this Lalkitab, do not touch apparent Logic,and leave one with utter disbelief, but yet I just heard of a man in North India, whom my Brother in law visited, who truly predicted what happened few weeks before, what was purchased and brought in the house, etc. This man is a Lalkitab astrologer. Unfortunately I had a short stay and could not meet him, but would do ,next time. Such astrologers re-inforce the faith in other methodologies and accentuate ones belief in other approaches,but how many good astrologers like these does one meet in his Life ? Honestly speaking , upto a few years back, I did not believe in lalkitab due to the paradox of all signs being removed from the houses. But then again, certain nadis also I think do this. Or do they not ? I am not sure. regards, bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Members, > > It is often said that lal kitab is simply an extension of the existing Hindu > (Vedic) astrology. However, reading the following article, makes it > difficult to accept such a statement. > > UNIQUE TO LAL KITAB: > **1. Ascendant or Lagna (the first house in a horoscope) is always > considered to be having Aries sign in it. A traditional Indian horoscope is > converted to the Lal Kitab system by changing the Lagna sign to Aries and > the sign of the second house to Taurus and so on. The planets that are in > these houses are not changed, only the Rashis (signs) are changed. This > removes the need for having to consider the " Lord of the first " (Lagnesh) or > Dhanesh, Shashtesh etc. Each house in a horoscope has been assigned a > fixed lordship of a Rashi, which is Aries for the first house, Taurus for > the second house and so on. > > 2. Rahu and Ketu, (the lunar nodes) which are always seven houses (180 > degrees) apart from each other in the traditional Indian astrology, do not > have to be bound by this condition. Especially, while making an annual > progressed horoscope using Lal Kitab's Varshphal table, these two may or may > not be seven houses apart. These two can even occupy adjoining houses. Rahu > and Ketu can even be together, when a horoscope is made based on one's palm > or the house that one lives in (Makaan Kundli.) > > 3. In the traditional Indian astrology, Sun, Mercury and Venus are always > positioned close by. Lal Kitab removes this condition also. These planets > can be spread all over the horoscope, distant from each other, just as in > the case of Rahu and Ketu. > > 4. Multiple planets that are together in the birth chart in a particular > house, remain grouped together for the rest of one's life. While preparing > the annual horoscope, these planets move together as a group. For example, > if one has Jupiter, Sun and Saturn together in the first house in the birth > chart, these planets will move together to the fourth house in one's 25th > year of life (See the Varshphal table in the Lal Kitab for details.) > > 5. In order to judge a horoscope, one need not consider the Nakshtra > (constellation) or Rashi. Also Lal Kitab does not consider the effect of > transition of planets (gochar) thus eliminating the need for an almanac. > The only time one needs an almanac is, when one is preparing the natal birth > chart. After that, an almanac is not needed at all, ever.** > > Those interested can read more here: > http://www.angelfire.com/celeb/shatendra/skslalkitab.html > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 3, 2007 Dear Mrs.Wendy, I forgot to mention in my last mail, that I feel happy and appreciate that you have not been averse to study of this system, which you have done, as I find from your communications. Now further to my last mail- On second thoughts, I think they may be using a part of the Vedic technique - " Planets in Bhavas " Like we check for Sun in 2nd house, the results of both Sun in second as well as how Sun would behave in a sign. These people it seems leave the sign part, and just take the " Digbala " in force.That is they only take results of planets in 1st House, 2nd house etc... which is also part of our Predictive modules. Of course this does not mean that the systems are identical. But somehow I am able to see some resemblance, though not fully. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > Thank you for the efforts. > That article must be a eye-opener for many > interested in Lalkitab. > Yes there are many differences just like vehicles > that move persons, Car,Aeroplane, Trains, Cycle > etc. The only common factor is all of these is > transporting. In Lalkitab too, as you rightly > presented in this detailed Document, only the > planets, deities, House attributes remain the > same, but the techniques differ totally. At > times the mentioned matters in this Lalkitab, > do not touch apparent Logic,and leave one with > utter disbelief, but yet I just heard of a man > in North India, whom my Brother in law visited, > who truly predicted what happened few weeks > before, what was purchased and brought in the > house, etc. This man is a Lalkitab astrologer. > Unfortunately I had a short stay and could not > meet him, but would do ,next time. > > Such astrologers re-inforce the faith in other > methodologies and accentuate ones belief in other > approaches,but how many good astrologers like > these does one meet in his Life ? > Honestly speaking , upto a few years > back, I did not believe in lalkitab due to the > paradox of all signs being removed from the houses. > But then again, certain nadis also I think do this. > Or do they not ? I am not sure. > > regards, > bhaskar. > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > It is often said that lal kitab is simply an extension of the > existing Hindu > > (Vedic) astrology. However, reading the following article, makes it > > difficult to accept such a statement. > > > > UNIQUE TO LAL KITAB: > > **1. Ascendant or Lagna (the first house in a horoscope) is always > > considered to be having Aries sign in it. A traditional Indian > horoscope is > > converted to the Lal Kitab system by changing the Lagna sign to > Aries and > > the sign of the second house to Taurus and so on. The planets that > are in > > these houses are not changed, only the Rashis (signs) are changed. > This > > removes the need for having to consider the " Lord of the first " > (Lagnesh) or > > Dhanesh, Shashtesh etc. Each house in a horoscope has been assigned a > > fixed lordship of a Rashi, which is Aries for the first house, > Taurus for > > the second house and so on. > > > > 2. Rahu and Ketu, (the lunar nodes) which are always seven houses (180 > > degrees) apart from each other in the traditional Indian astrology, > do not > > have to be bound by this condition. Especially, while making an annual > > progressed horoscope using Lal Kitab's Varshphal table, these two > may or may > > not be seven houses apart. These two can even occupy adjoining > houses. Rahu > > and Ketu can even be together, when a horoscope is made based on > one's palm > > or the house that one lives in (Makaan Kundli.) > > > > 3. In the traditional Indian astrology, Sun, Mercury and Venus are > always > > positioned close by. Lal Kitab removes this condition also. These > planets > > can be spread all over the horoscope, distant from each other, just > as in > > the case of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > 4. Multiple planets that are together in the birth chart in a > particular > > house, remain grouped together for the rest of one's life. While > preparing > > the annual horoscope, these planets move together as a group. For > example, > > if one has Jupiter, Sun and Saturn together in the first house in > the birth > > chart, these planets will move together to the fourth house in one's > 25th > > year of life (See the Varshphal table in the Lal Kitab for details.) > > > > 5. In order to judge a horoscope, one need not consider the Nakshtra > > (constellation) or Rashi. Also Lal Kitab does not consider the > effect of > > transition of planets (gochar) thus eliminating the need for an > almanac. > > The only time one needs an almanac is, when one is preparing the > natal birth > > chart. After that, an almanac is not needed at all, ever.** > > > > Those interested can read more here: > > http://www.angelfire.com/celeb/shatendra/skslalkitab.html > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > jyotish-vidya > > ___ > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 3, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, ///I forgot to mention in my last mail, that I feel happy and appreciate that you have not been averse to study of this system, which you have done, as I find from your communications. /// Of course people a free to study whatever system they choose, and, if someone wishes to comment on a particular horoscope they're free to do so as long as they give the astrological reasoning behind it. This should not be construed however to mean that JV endorses other systems. The message on our groups page makes this clear, I hope! ///On second thoughts, I think they may be using a part of the Vedic technique - " Planets in Bhavas " /// I find it quite sad how little the profound nature of Rasi (Janma Kundali) is understood. It's not merely a blueprint of the cosmos imprinted on a horoscope. It is, in fact, a profound act of creation, it is OUR creation! It is told that at the moment of birth, the navagrahas (including the nodes) re-create as a new entity. This is their immortality - they're re-created each time an entity is born! As the Bible says; " Know ye not that ye are gods " . Likewise, at the moment of birth, the twelve signs of the zodiac manifest as the twelve bhavas. The sign rising above the horizon manifests as the first house, meaning that the sign (rasi) has BECOME the bhava...whole sign, whole bhava. This is a profound 'Act of Creation', not an intellectual concept! And this is what makes Rasi so unique, this is what makes Vedic astrology so unique. Yes, there are other charts drawn (for various reasons), the vargas, bhava chakra etc, etc.. But Rasi is the central point; it is the crux of Vedic astrology. PS: For our long-standing members, my apologies for repeating this once again. I know you've heard it all before. But I'm strongly opposed to the notion that all systems are Vedic. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish <jyotish-vidya > Monday, September 03, 2007 6:24 PM Re: lal kitab Dear Mrs.Wendy, I forgot to mention in my last mail, that I feel happy and appreciate that you have not been averse to study of this system, which you have done, as I find from your communications. Now further to my last mail- On second thoughts, I think they may be using a part of the Vedic technique - " Planets in Bhavas " Like we check for Sun in 2nd house, the results of both Sun in second as well as how Sun would behave in a sign. These people it seems leave the sign part, and just take the " Digbala " in force.That is they only take results of planets in 1st House, 2nd house etc... which is also part of our Predictive modules. Of course this does not mean that the systems are identical. But somehow I am able to see some resemblance, though not fully. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 3, 2007 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Thank you for affirmation of your loyalties towards Vedic, and I second the same. Yes all systems are not Vedic. They may have borrowed from here, but cannot be called as Vedic. // I find it quite sad how little the profound nature of Rasi (Janma Kundali) is understood // I do not understand so Mrs Wendy, I just implied a part which may have been borrowed from the Vedic stream. I am as faithful to the main stream. I am averse to discussions of other approaches on the Forum and respect the objectives of the Forum, and of the Owner and do not wish to deviate from the same. therefore I would now take leave from this thread on Lalkitab. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > ///I forgot to mention in my last mail, that I feel > happy and appreciate that you have not been averse > to study of this system, which you have done, as > I find from your communications. /// > > Of course people a free to study whatever system they choose, and, if > someone wishes to comment on a particular horoscope they're free to do so as > long as they give the astrological reasoning behind it. This should not be > construed however to mean that JV endorses other systems. The message on our > groups page makes this clear, I hope! > > ///On second thoughts, I think they may be using a part > of the Vedic technique - " Planets in Bhavas " /// > > I find it quite sad how little the profound nature of Rasi (Janma Kundali) > is understood. It's not merely a blueprint of the cosmos imprinted on a > horoscope. It is, in fact, a profound act of creation, it is OUR creation! > > It is told that at the moment of birth, the navagrahas (including the nodes) > re-create as a new entity. This is their immortality - they're re-created > each time an entity is born! As the Bible says; " Know ye not that ye are > gods " . > Likewise, at the moment of birth, the twelve signs of the zodiac manifest as > the twelve bhavas. The sign rising above the horizon manifests as the first > house, meaning that the sign (rasi) has BECOME the bhava...whole sign, whole > bhava. This is a profound 'Act of Creation', not an intellectual concept! > And this is what makes Rasi so unique, this is what makes Vedic astrology so > unique. > > Yes, there are other charts drawn (for various reasons), the vargas, bhava > chakra etc, etc.. But Rasi is the central point; it is the crux of Vedic > astrology. > > PS: For our long-standing members, my apologies for repeating this once > again. I know you've heard it all before. But I'm strongly opposed to the > notion that all systems are Vedic. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > > - > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish > <jyotish-vidya > > Monday, September 03, 2007 6:24 PM > Re: lal kitab > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy, > > I forgot to mention in my last mail, that I feel > happy and appreciate that you have not been averse > to study of this system, which you have done, as > I find from your communications. > > Now further to my last mail- > > On second thoughts, I think they may be using a part > of the Vedic technique - " Planets in Bhavas " > Like we check for Sun in 2nd house, the results of > both Sun in second as well as how Sun would behave > in a sign. These people it seems leave the sign part, > and just take the " Digbala " in force.That is they > only take results of planets in 1st House, 2nd house > etc... which is also part of our Predictive modules. > Of course this does not mean that the systems are > identical. But somehow I am able to see some > resemblance, though not fully. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 3, 2007 Dear Bhaskar Ji and Mrs Wendy I too would like to sway from the topic of lal kitab - I have joined this group in order to broaden my knoweldge of vedic astrology which in my opinion works much more accurately - lal kitab is good for its remedial measures and sometimes in explaining why certain upaya are meant to be done but vedic analysis with its transits,divisional charts, rashis and signs can go far far more in depth. I must mention however that lal kitab does NOT make all lagnas the sign of aries as it completely ignores signs all together. As in vedic the lagna house is house number 1 so too in lal kitab it is house no 1 - this does not mean it has become aries. Lal kitab purely considers the placement of planets in houses and ignores signs and rashis all together. I too respectfully wish we can leave this topic of lal kitab astrology and concentrate more on vedic analysis as this at the end of the day is a vedic forum - there are many lal kitab forums where members can post their queries regarding help with lal kitab remedies and alaysis. On a completely separate subject I recently came across a guy who very accurately predicted a lot of recent events for a native using the jaimini dasha system - does anyone have any good knowledge or know a good site which teaches more about this? Id love to hear from you. Regards Sorabh > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > Thank you for affirmation of your > loyalties towards Vedic, and I second > the same. > Yes all systems are not Vedic. > They may have borrowed from here, > but cannot be called as Vedic. > > // I find it quite sad how little the profound > nature of Rasi (Janma Kundali) is understood // > > I do not understand so Mrs Wendy, I just implied > a part which may have been borrowed > from the Vedic stream. I am as faithful to > the main stream. > > I am averse to discussions of > other approaches on the Forum > and respect the objectives of the Forum, > and of the Owner and do not wish to deviate > from the same. > > therefore I would now take leave from this > thread on Lalkitab. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > ///I forgot to mention in my last mail, that I feel > > happy and appreciate that you have not been averse > > to study of this system, which you have done, as > > I find from your communications. /// > > > > Of course people a free to study whatever system they choose, and, if > > someone wishes to comment on a particular horoscope they're free to > do so as > > long as they give the astrological reasoning behind it. This should > not be > > construed however to mean that JV endorses other systems. The > message on our > > groups page makes this clear, I hope! > > > > ///On second thoughts, I think they may be using a part > > of the Vedic technique - " Planets in Bhavas " /// > > > > I find it quite sad how little the profound nature of Rasi (Janma > Kundali) > > is understood. It's not merely a blueprint of the cosmos imprinted on a > > horoscope. It is, in fact, a profound act of creation, it is OUR > creation! > > > > It is told that at the moment of birth, the navagrahas (including > the nodes) > > re-create as a new entity. This is their immortality - they're > re-created > > each time an entity is born! As the Bible says; " Know ye not that ye > are > > gods " . > > Likewise, at the moment of birth, the twelve signs of the zodiac > manifest as > > the twelve bhavas. The sign rising above the horizon manifests as > the first > > house, meaning that the sign (rasi) has BECOME the bhava...whole > sign, whole > > bhava. This is a profound 'Act of Creation', not an intellectual > concept! > > And this is what makes Rasi so unique, this is what makes Vedic > astrology so > > unique. > > > > Yes, there are other charts drawn (for various reasons), the vargas, > bhava > > chakra etc, etc.. But Rasi is the central point; it is the crux of > Vedic > > astrology. > > > > PS: For our long-standing members, my apologies for repeating this once > > again. I know you've heard it all before. But I'm strongly opposed > to the > > notion that all systems are Vedic. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > jyotish-vidya > > ___ > > > > > > > > - > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > <jyotish-vidya > > > Monday, September 03, 2007 6:24 PM > > Re: lal kitab > > > > > > Dear Mrs.Wendy, > > > > I forgot to mention in my last mail, that I feel > > happy and appreciate that you have not been averse > > to study of this system, which you have done, as > > I find from your communications. > > > > Now further to my last mail- > > > > On second thoughts, I think they may be using a part > > of the Vedic technique - " Planets in Bhavas " > > Like we check for Sun in 2nd house, the results of > > both Sun in second as well as how Sun would behave > > in a sign. These people it seems leave the sign part, > > and just take the " Digbala " in force.That is they > > only take results of planets in 1st House, 2nd house > > etc... which is also part of our Predictive modules. > > Of course this does not mean that the systems are > > identical. But somehow I am able to see some > > resemblance, though not fully. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest guest Report post Posted March 27, 2010 Namaskar to all LAL KITAB followers, LAL KITAB 1952 Dwitiya Bhagh transliterated by Pt. Beni Madhav Goswami is available for further research. ribhukantgoswami 09716011587 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
