Vasya Signs - Logic behind

April 3, 2006

Dear All,

As per astrological classics, for:

Aries - Leo and Scorpio

Taurus - Cancer and Libra

Gemini - Virgo

Cancer - Scorpio and Sagittarius

Leo - Libra

Virgo - Gemini and Pisces

Libra - Virgo and Capricorn

Scorpio - Cancer

Sagittarius - Pisces

Capricorn - Aquarius and Aries

Aquarius - Aries

Pisces - Capricorn

are Vasya signs.

What is the logic behind this concept? Let us try to understand.

For Aries, Leo and Scorpio are Vasya Signs. Why?

Leo - the lord of Leo gets exalted in Aries.

Scorpio - Aries and Scorpio are ruled by the same planet.

Rule : (1) If any other planet gets exalted in the sign then the

sign ruled by that planet could be a Vasya sign.

Rule : (2) If the lord of 2 signs are the same, the second sign

could be a Vasya sign for the first and vice-versa.

For Taurus, Libra and Cancer are Vasya signs. Why?

Cancer - Rule (1) applies here. Lord of Cancer Moon is exalted

in Taurus.

Libra - Rule (1) applies here. Taurus and Libra are ruled by the

same planet Ve.

For Gemini, Virgo is Vasya sign. Why?

Virgo - Rule (2) applies here. Gemini and Virgo are ruled by the

same planet.

For Cancer, Scorpio and Sagittarius are Vasya signs. Why?

Scorpio - Is there any connection? The lord of Cancer gets

debilitated in Scorpio!! Both Cancer and Scorpio are signs that

represent reptiles - i.e. Sareesripa signs. The lord of Scorpio gets

debilitated in Cancer. So there is a very strong connection between

the two signs.

Rule : (3) The sign in which the lord of the first considered

sign gets debilitated could be a Vasya sign. (Here Mo gets

debilitated in Scorpio)

Sagittarius - Rule (1) applies here. The lord of Sagittarius

gets exalted in Cancer.

For Leo, Libra is Vasya sign. Why?

Lira - Rule (3) applies here. Lord of Leo Sun gets debilitated in

Leo.

For Virgo, Gemini and Pisces are Vasya Signs. Why?

Gemini - Rule (2) applies. Gemini and Virgo are ruled by the same

planet Me.

Pisces - Rule (3) applies. Lord of Virgo Me gets debilitated in

Piaces.

For Libra, Virgo and Capricorn are Vasya signs. Why?

Virgo - Rule (3) applies. Lord of Libra gets debilitated in

Virgo.

Capricorn - Rule (1) applies. Lord of Capricorn Sa gets exalted

in Libra.

For Scorpio, Cancer is the Vasya sign. Why?

Cancer - Rule (3) applies. Lord of Scorpio Ma gets debilitated in

Cancer.

For Sagittarius, Pisces is Vasya sign. Why?

Pisces - Rule (2) applies. Sagittarius and Pisces are ruled by

the same planet Ju.

For Capricorn, Aquarius and Aries is Vasya sign. Why?

Aquarius - Rule (2) applies. Capricorn and Aquarius are ruled by

the same planet Sa.

Aries - Rule (1) applies. The lord of Aries gets exalted in

Capricorn.

For Aquarius, Aries is Vasya sign. Why?

Aquarius - Rule (3) applies. The lord of Aquarius gets

debilitated in Aries.

Fro Pisces, Sagittarius is the Vasya sign. Why?

Sagittarius - Rule (2) applies. Pisces and Sagittarius are ruled

by the same planet.

Lesson to remember: The sages never tell a thing without reason and

Logic!! We just need to search and find it out!!

Love,

Sreenadh

April 4, 2006

Dear Sreenadh:

Congratulations on this new group. What does this posting tell us in

terms of interpretation? What can be learnt from this posting? Is

there a spiritual revleation? pl. clarify. For me vasya rearranged

comes to vyasa and savya.

DW

, " Sreenadh "

<sreelid wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> As per astrological classics, for:

> Aries - Leo and Scorpio

> Taurus - Cancer and Libra

> Gemini - Virgo

> Cancer - Scorpio and Sagittarius

> Leo - Libra

> Virgo - Gemini and Pisces

> Libra - Virgo and Capricorn

> Scorpio - Cancer

> Sagittarius - Pisces

> Capricorn - Aquarius and Aries

> Aquarius - Aries

> Pisces - Capricorn

> are Vasya signs.

> What is the logic behind this concept? Let us try to understand.

>

> For Aries, Leo and Scorpio are Vasya Signs. Why?

> Leo - the lord of Leo gets exalted in Aries.

> Scorpio - Aries and Scorpio are ruled by the same planet.

> Rule : (1) If any other planet gets exalted in the sign then

the

> sign ruled by that planet could be a Vasya sign.

> Rule : (2) If the lord of 2 signs are the same, the second

sign

> could be a Vasya sign for the first and vice-versa.

>

> For Taurus, Libra and Cancer are Vasya signs. Why?

> Cancer - Rule (1) applies here. Lord of Cancer Moon is

exalted

> in Taurus.

> Libra - Rule (1) applies here. Taurus and Libra are ruled by

the

> same planet Ve.

>

> For Gemini, Virgo is Vasya sign. Why?

> Virgo - Rule (2) applies here. Gemini and Virgo are ruled by

the

> same planet.

>

> For Cancer, Scorpio and Sagittarius are Vasya signs. Why?

> Scorpio - Is there any connection? The lord of Cancer gets

> debilitated in Scorpio!! Both Cancer and Scorpio are signs that

> represent reptiles - i.e. Sareesripa signs. The lord of Scorpio

gets

> debilitated in Cancer. So there is a very strong connection

between

> the two signs.

> Rule : (3) The sign in which the lord of the first considered

> sign gets debilitated could be a Vasya sign. (Here Mo gets

> debilitated in Scorpio)

> Sagittarius - Rule (1) applies here. The lord of Sagittarius

> gets exalted in Cancer.

>

> For Leo, Libra is Vasya sign. Why?

> Lira - Rule (3) applies here. Lord of Leo Sun gets debilitated

in

> Leo.

>

> For Virgo, Gemini and Pisces are Vasya Signs. Why?

> Gemini - Rule (2) applies. Gemini and Virgo are ruled by the

same

> planet Me.

> Pisces - Rule (3) applies. Lord of Virgo Me gets debilitated

in

> Piaces.

>

> For Libra, Virgo and Capricorn are Vasya signs. Why?

> Virgo - Rule (3) applies. Lord of Libra gets debilitated in

> Virgo.

> Capricorn - Rule (1) applies. Lord of Capricorn Sa gets

exalted

> in Libra.

>

> For Scorpio, Cancer is the Vasya sign. Why?

> Cancer - Rule (3) applies. Lord of Scorpio Ma gets debilitated

in

> Cancer.

>

> For Sagittarius, Pisces is Vasya sign. Why?

> Pisces - Rule (2) applies. Sagittarius and Pisces are ruled by

> the same planet Ju.

>

> For Capricorn, Aquarius and Aries is Vasya sign. Why?

> Aquarius - Rule (2) applies. Capricorn and Aquarius are ruled

by

> the same planet Sa.

> Aries - Rule (1) applies. The lord of Aries gets exalted in

> Capricorn.

>

> For Aquarius, Aries is Vasya sign. Why?

> Aquarius - Rule (3) applies. The lord of Aquarius gets

> debilitated in Aries.

>

> Fro Pisces, Sagittarius is the Vasya sign. Why?

> Sagittarius - Rule (2) applies. Pisces and Sagittarius are

ruled

> by the same planet.

>

> Lesson to remember: The sages never tell a thing without reason

and

> Logic!! We just need to search and find it out!!

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

April 4, 2006

Dear DW ji,

Thanks. Coming to our subject of discussion, i.e. Vasya Signs-

Vasya means, mutual attraction. The classics talk about signs which

have some kind of mutual attraction. Put in other words, the people

born in Vasya signs (Asc or Moon sign)of each other gets attracted to

each other, either sexual attraction or friendship. Because of this

Vasya relation between the Lagna of the girl and boy. Vasya between

the Moon signs of girl and boy are considered. This concept is

normally used while horoscope matching for marriage.

Vasya primarily indicates the attraction we feel towards a person,

just by seeing him/her, even before knowing his/her abilities and

qualities. It is the inherent quality of the horoscope and the sign

in which the person is born is causing this attraction.

The concept of Vasya (Mutual attraction) can also be used:

1) In Marriage compatibility (This is the traditional use)

2) In selecting your business partner.

3) In selecting your girl friend.

4) In selecting friends etc

Of course we are not selecting

friends/business_partners/girl_friends etc after horoscope matching.

But if we have some real relations, we can check the horoscope to

verify that, whether this principle of Vasya is there at work causing

the bond, and helping us to strengthen the relation. I hope, though

simple, having this sound and useful concept in our wallet of

astrological knowledge, would be useful also in understanding the

importance the great seers gave to the concept of Exaltation and

Debilitation.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " astrod9999 "

<astrod9999 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh:

>

> Congratulations on this new group. What does this posting tell us

in

> terms of interpretation? What can be learnt from this posting? Is

> there a spiritual revleation? pl. clarify. For me vasya rearranged

> comes to vyasa and savya.

>

> DW

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreelid@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> > As per astrological classics, for:

> > Aries - Leo and Scorpio

> > Taurus - Cancer and Libra

> > Gemini - Virgo

> > Cancer - Scorpio and Sagittarius

> > Leo - Libra

> > Virgo - Gemini and Pisces

> > Libra - Virgo and Capricorn

> > Scorpio - Cancer

> > Sagittarius - Pisces

> > Capricorn - Aquarius and Aries

> > Aquarius - Aries

> > Pisces - Capricorn

> > are Vasya signs.

> > What is the logic behind this concept? Let us try to understand.

> >

> > For Aries, Leo and Scorpio are Vasya Signs. Why?

> > Leo - the lord of Leo gets exalted in Aries.

> > Scorpio - Aries and Scorpio are ruled by the same planet.

> > Rule : (1) If any other planet gets exalted in the sign then

> the

> > sign ruled by that planet could be a Vasya sign.

> > Rule : (2) If the lord of 2 signs are the same, the second

> sign

> > could be a Vasya sign for the first and vice-versa.

> >

> > For Taurus, Libra and Cancer are Vasya signs. Why?

> > Cancer - Rule (1) applies here. Lord of Cancer Moon is

> exalted

> > in Taurus.

> > Libra - Rule (1) applies here. Taurus and Libra are ruled by

> the

> > same planet Ve.

> >

> > For Gemini, Virgo is Vasya sign. Why?

> > Virgo - Rule (2) applies here. Gemini and Virgo are ruled by

> the

> > same planet.

> >

> > For Cancer, Scorpio and Sagittarius are Vasya signs. Why?

> > Scorpio - Is there any connection? The lord of Cancer gets

> > debilitated in Scorpio!! Both Cancer and Scorpio are signs that

> > represent reptiles - i.e. Sareesripa signs. The lord of Scorpio

> gets

> > debilitated in Cancer. So there is a very strong connection

> between

> > the two signs.

> > Rule : (3) The sign in which the lord of the first

considered

> > sign gets debilitated could be a Vasya sign. (Here Mo gets

> > debilitated in Scorpio)

> > Sagittarius - Rule (1) applies here. The lord of Sagittarius

> > gets exalted in Cancer.

> >

> > For Leo, Libra is Vasya sign. Why?

> > Lira - Rule (3) applies here. Lord of Leo Sun gets

debilitated

> in

> > Leo.

> >

> > For Virgo, Gemini and Pisces are Vasya Signs. Why?

> > Gemini - Rule (2) applies. Gemini and Virgo are ruled by the

> same

> > planet Me.

> > Pisces - Rule (3) applies. Lord of Virgo Me gets debilitated

> in

> > Piaces.

> >

> > For Libra, Virgo and Capricorn are Vasya signs. Why?

> > Virgo - Rule (3) applies. Lord of Libra gets debilitated in

> > Virgo.

> > Capricorn - Rule (1) applies. Lord of Capricorn Sa gets

> exalted

> > in Libra.

> >

> > For Scorpio, Cancer is the Vasya sign. Why?

> > Cancer - Rule (3) applies. Lord of Scorpio Ma gets

debilitated

> in

> > Cancer.

> >

> > For Sagittarius, Pisces is Vasya sign. Why?

> > Pisces - Rule (2) applies. Sagittarius and Pisces are ruled

by

> > the same planet Ju.

> >

> > For Capricorn, Aquarius and Aries is Vasya sign. Why?

> > Aquarius - Rule (2) applies. Capricorn and Aquarius are

ruled

> by

> > the same planet Sa.

> > Aries - Rule (1) applies. The lord of Aries gets exalted in

> > Capricorn.

> >

> > For Aquarius, Aries is Vasya sign. Why?

> > Aquarius - Rule (3) applies. The lord of Aquarius gets

> > debilitated in Aries.

> >

> > Fro Pisces, Sagittarius is the Vasya sign. Why?

> > Sagittarius - Rule (2) applies. Pisces and Sagittarius are

> ruled

> > by the same planet.

> >

> > Lesson to remember: The sages never tell a thing without reason

> and

> > Logic!! We just need to search and find it out!!

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

>

April 9, 2006

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog

wrote:

Dear Arjun ji,

Thanks for the good mail. I highly appreciate those sincere

thoughts. I feel that it is unsystematic (i.e. non-classified) view

of the concepts presented, is causing us the trouble in understanding

the (actually well classified!!) ideas put forward by saints and

acharyas. I will clarify:-

Let us approach the first confusion encountered by any one

approaching and trying to use marriage compatibility. You stated it

nicely.

> dinam, ganam, mahendram, dheergham, yoni, rasi, rasyadhipati,

> vasyam, rajju, vedha or dosham, gothram, nakshatram, pakshi,

> bhootam and others are all listed for measuring each parameter of

> compatibility required in any relation between two individuals. to

> add to these, manglik dosham, kaalasarpa dosham, grahana dosham,

> besides various modern man researched or invented doshams are all

> there. unfortunately, the various measuring tools mentioned in

> various medieval classics have some inherent contradictions.

I agree. It would be the prime view that would be felt by any

sincere person approching marriage compatibility. But the point is

that-

The Acharyas have classified compatibility considerations stated

above by you (dinam, ganam etc..) as ( " Agoodha Goodha Bhedena dwidha

hi khadana gunai " ):

I. Agoodha (Non-hidden) marriage compatibility considerations

Eg: Rasi, Rasyadhipa, Vasya, Gana, Mahendra, Yoni, etc......

II. Goodha (Hidden) marriage compatibility considerations

Eg: Drishti (Liking), Mana (Love), Deha (Health and Body), Vidya-

Vinaya (Education), Stanabhijatya (Status & Position), Vaya (Age) etc

Now the Non-hidden (Agoodha) marriage compatibility considerations

are again classified into four.

1) Sign Based

Eg: Rasi, Rasi-vasya, Rasi-Yoni, Rasi-Bhoota, Rasi-Varna etc

2) Sign-lord Based

Eg: Rasyadhipa, Rasi-bhava vasya (The logic of which I have

described earlier in this forum) etc

3)Star Based

Eg: Gana, Dina, Mahendra, Strideerkha, Nakshatra-Yoni etc.

4) Star related (Not important)

Eg: Nakshatra-bhoota, Nakshatra-Pakshi, Nakshatra-Mriga,

Nakshatra-Linga, Tara-Maitri, Rina-dhana etc.

Of the above four the first 4 are direct " application " of some

ancient concepts in marriage compatibility. (The marriage

compatibility system originated later only compared to those

concepts). The compatibility considerations given as Nakshatra-

related are may of still later application of some nakshatra related

concepts into compatibility, and many acharyas have told us that they

should not be given much importance.

Now comes the considering the star based Doshas. Yes, except one of

them (i.e. Vedha) all of these are star based, and therefore the

importance is to that extent only.

1) Nakshatra-Vedha : Though the word Nakshatra is there in the

name, it is actually a method for locating star combinations, that

fall in the Shashtashtama (6-8 axis) signs that cause the most

trouble. So in essence it considers Sign and Nakshatra.

2) Nakshatra varga vedha

3) Rajju Dosha

etc

But still now, except the general qualities of sign and star, the

planetary placement in horoscope is not considered yet!! So let us

consider if the planetary placement supports/indicates marriage

between those 2 people, by using,

1) Rana-Ranee Bhava (Structural compatibility between horoscopes)

and Now let us compare the placement of malefic in the horoscope in

a 'general' manner, by using,

2) Papa samya (Mangala dosha is just something comes with in this)

Actually all the systems said above is child play, and the real

ability and understanding of the astrologer in understanding the

horoscope, is used from here onwards. i.e. Now we have to check for:

1) Chance for having children

2) Death/Divorce

3) Poverty and scope for economic success

4) Possible Health problems in future

5) Lesbian/Gay nature of male/female

Yes, All of these together it is popularly known as Jataka Poruta

(meaning 'Horoscope Matching') which indicates that this is the most

important considerations in horoscope matching and also that these

are to be looked IN HOROSCOPE rather than in the mere name of sign or

star.

Now consider the Agoodha compatibility options as well based on your

understanding of the family, education, status, health etc of male

and female and their family!! The relatives of bride and groom will

do this, even if the astrologer is not doing it. So we don't have

to worry much about it.

This is the well-classified system put forward by the Acharyas. Can

we call it un-scientific, or unsystematic?!

We follow it or not, the situations allow us to do it or not, etc

are all our trouble and the Acharyas should not be blamed for that!!

> this is where a practicing

> astrologer if follows saatvik lifestyle and develops divine

> intuition, due to the vaak suddhi and vaak siddhi, the reading,

> analysis and prediction become simpler

Yes, yes, all this is necessary, and I agree completely. But would

like to add that, we should add it up to the above (systematic

understanding of the system put forward by the Acharyas)for the best

results.

This mail is becoming too long and I should break it up into two,

to discuss the other points put forward by you. Otherwise somebody

may save the whole mail to the computer for later reading thinking

that it is too long, and will net read it!! I will write another

mail to address all the other issues pointed to by you.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004@> wrote:

>

> dear sreenadh ji

>

> firstly my sincere appreciation of the deep insight given to one

> factor considered in matching two charts for comatibility. this

> reconfirms the fact that the knowledge of astrology is like a ocean

> and one birth is not sufficient to master all. at least i would

die

> at a student level only.

>

> dinam, ganam, mahendram, dheergham, yoni, rasi, rasyadhipati,

> vasyam, rajju, vedha or dosham, gothram, nakshatram, pakshi,

bhootam

> and others are all listed for measuring each parameter of

> compatibility required in any relation between two individuals. to

> add to these, manglik dosham, kaalasarpa dosham, grahana dosham,

> besides various modern man researched or invented doshams are all

> there.

>

> unfortunately, the various measuring tools mentioned in various

> medieval classics have some inherent contradictions.

>

> however, in my personal experience, after studying all these

things,

> when i learnt lalkitab and its simplistic one chart based

predictive

> technique, i am not focusing on these micro level comprehensive

> analysis based on various measuring tools. also while stars and

> planets are existing in nature, rasis are mythical in nature.

>

> under vasya porutham we see which rasi is amenable and affable to

> another. this is seen both from the boy's sign to girl's sign and

> also vice versa. however, two signs of the same planet are not

> mutually vasya viz. aeries to scorpio, saggitarius to pisces,

> capricorn to aquarius and taurus to libra whereas gemini and virgo

> are mutually vasya. this sounds illogical.

>

> in sarvartha chintamani, the pachakadi measuring system is a simple

> tool to predict the relative strenght of each planet in a chart

both

> in relation to other planets as well as houses by categorising

> pachak, bodhak, karak and vedhak. here also we see some

> contradictions.

>

> my humble submission is that in astrology there is no one single

> measuring tool to come to a conclusive observation on one parameter

> due to so many overriding rules. this is where a practicing

> astrologer if follows saatvik lifestyle and develops divine

> intuition, due to the vaak suddhi and vaak siddhi, the reading,

> analysis and prediction become simpler in an unscientific manner.

> albeit this sounds illogical to scientific community, i have been

> healing and predicting this way.

>

> over and above, we have astrology derived from hindu mythology.

> while according to mythology we treat planets including satellite

> moon as gods and worship their personalities, astronomy and science

> paints them as balls of some mass. while the science says how moon

> waxes and wanes, all puranas says how moon was cursed with kshaya

> roga (one modern researcher attributed AIDS to moon saying kshaya

> and AIDS both makes the native lose energy)due to his neglecting of

> his 27 wives, how the modern man percieves these contradictions -

to

> see stars as wives and planets as husbands or just balls of some

> light.

>

> still the quest for knowing more continues and we keep reading,

> knowing and learning more with continued consistency.

>

> may jupiter's light shine on all of us.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> pandit arjun

>

> , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Srinivas ji,

> > Vasya attracting between the Lagna signs or Moon signs is one

of

> > the criterion for determining the mutual attraction between two

> > individuals. It is NOT the lone criterion for determining the

> same!

> > The are other systems that are used for the same purpose such as

> the

> > one known as " Rana_Ranee Bhava " compatibility in marriage

> > compatibility, which also speak about the plancement of Lagna

> lord,

> > 7th lord, Lagna and Moon Navamsa etc. There is another system

> > called " Rasi vasyam " to have a primary understanding about the

> > sextual attaction (and compatibility) between people born on

> > different signs. As you know there are some Nakshatra based rules

> as

> > well to do the same. It is due to the existance of these many

> > authentic rules, which gives prime importance to different

factors

> > that, we consider all of them in the marriage compatibility

(along

> > with other rules to validate the future incidents in life) and

> come

> > to a conclusion almost in a statistical manner!! Yes, I agree, it

> is

> > not the statistics but the understanding of the astrologer about

> the

> > future events in store for the couple is more important. But the

> well

> > founded rules like Vasya really needs consideration, and should

be

> > appreciated.

> > The period of influence for any YOGA in horoscope is determined

> by

> > DASA and supporting GOCHARA. YOGA could be 1) Sign based, 2)

Bhava

> > based, 3) Planet based, 4) Sign-Bhava based, 5) Sign-Planet

based,

> 6)

> > Bhava-Planet based, or 7)Sign-Bhava-Planet based as explained in

> one

> > of my previous mails. You can rephrace the above terminology

based

> on

> > Nakshatra as well.

> > But the Vasya I told is not a YOGA! It is more related to the

> basic

> > nature of the sign itself. I will elaborate little further:

> > Point -1

> > --------

> > The nature of a sign is determined based on divisions such as:

> > 1) Kalapurusha (1 fold)

> > 2) The Male-Female classification (2 fold)

> > 3) Chara-Stira-Ubhaya, Srishti-Stiti-Samhara etc (3 fold)

> > 4) Satya-Dwapara-Treta-Kali Yogadi etc (4 fold)

> > 5) Earth-Water-Fire-Air-Sky (Pancha bhootadi)etc (5 fold)

> > etc.

> > Point -2

> > --------

> > The nature of the sign is further clarified based on the

> following

> > or similar concepts which fundamentally depends on the underlying

> > concepts noted as point -1. They are:

> > 1) Rasyadhipatya

> > 2) Exaltation-Debilitation

> > 3) Human-Watery-Reptail-Quadrapad

> > etc

> > Point -3

> > --------

> > The concepts that are based on concepts noted under point 1 or

> point

> > 2 or similar ones.

> > 1) Rasi Vasya and RasiBhava vasya

> > 2) Preeti signs etc

> > etc.

> > Actually concepts noted under points 2 and 3, which are

> > fundamentally based on the primary concepts or in turn on the

> > secondary concepts needs to be pondered more, logically, so as to

> > bringout the essential logic used by Rishis in designing them.

> > Point -4

> > -------

> > All of these are not YOGAS since the YOGA concept came into

> > existance only in the horoscope. But here (in Vasya etc) we are

> > actually speaking about the nature of the sign, rather than the

> > horoscope itself!!

> > I think the point is clear at least to an extend, and expects

> more

> > inputs from the leaned members like Arjun ji.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , srinivasa murthy adavi

> > <smadavi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > > Can you please extend the analysis by zeroing on the

nakshatra

> > lordship effects in which the respective lagnas are situated.Can

> you

> > corelate with time the development of mutual attraction with

> > raasi/nakshatra;for eg a libran ascendant got attracted to a

> person

> > whose lagna is situated in pisces( venus exaltation place) and

> > perhaps they must have got married by now.Initially they were not

> on

> > good terms.I donot have exact birth details of both to present to

> the

> > forum.

> > > regards

> > > Srinivas

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreelid@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear DW ji,

> > > Thanks. Coming to our subject of discussion, i.e. Vasya Signs-

> > > Vasya means, mutual attraction. The classics talk about signs

> which

> > > have some kind of mutual attraction. Put in other words, the

> people

> > > born in Vasya signs (Asc or Moon sign)of each other gets

> attracted

> > to

> > > each other, either sexual attraction or friendship. Because of

> this

> > > Vasya relation between the Lagna of the girl and boy. Vasya

> between

> > > the Moon signs of girl and boy are considered. This concept is

> > > normally used while horoscope matching for marriage.

> > > Vasya primarily indicates the attraction we feel towards a

> person,

> > > just by seeing him/her, even before knowing his/her abilities

> and

> > > qualities. It is the inherent quality of the horoscope and the

> sign

> > > in which the person is born is causing this attraction.

> > > The concept of Vasya (Mutual attraction) can also be used:

> > > 1) In Marriage compatibility (This is the traditional use)

> > > 2) In selecting your business partner.

> > > 3) In selecting your girl friend.

> > > 4) In selecting friends etc

> > > Of course we are not selecting

> > > friends/business_partners/girl_friends etc after horoscope

> > matching.

> > > But if we have some real relations, we can check the horoscope

> to

> > > verify that, whether this principle of Vasya is there at work

> > causing

> > > the bond, and helping us to strengthen the relation. I hope,

> though

> > > simple, having this sound and useful concept in our wallet of

> > > astrological knowledge, would be useful also in understanding

> the

> > > importance the great seers gave to the concept of Exaltation

and

> > > Debilitation.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " astrod9999 "

> > > <astrod9999@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh:

> > > >

> > > > Congratulations on this new group. What does this posting

tell

> us

> > > in

> > > > terms of interpretation? What can be learnt from this

posting?

> Is

> > > > there a spiritual revleation? pl. clarify. For me vasya

> > rearranged

> > > > comes to vyasa and savya.

> > > >

> > > > DW

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreelid@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > As per astrological classics, for:

> > > > > Aries - Leo and Scorpio

> > > > > Taurus - Cancer and Libra

> > > > > Gemini - Virgo

> > > > > Cancer - Scorpio and Sagittarius

> > > > > Leo - Libra

> > > > > Virgo - Gemini and Pisces

> > > > > Libra - Virgo and Capricorn

> > > > > Scorpio - Cancer

> > > > > Sagittarius - Pisces

> > > > > Capricorn - Aquarius and Aries

> > > > > Aquarius - Aries

> > > > > Pisces - Capricorn

> > > > > are Vasya signs.

> > > > > What is the logic behind this concept? Let us try to

> > understand.

> > > > >

> > > > > For Aries, Leo and Scorpio are Vasya Signs. Why?

> > > > > Leo - the lord of Leo gets exalted in Aries.

> > > > > Scorpio - Aries and Scorpio are ruled by the same

planet.

> > > > > Rule : (1) If any other planet gets exalted in the sign

> > then

> > > > the

> > > > > sign ruled by that planet could be a Vasya sign.

> > > > > Rule : (2) If the lord of 2 signs are the same, the

> second

> > > > sign

> > > > > could be a Vasya sign for the first and vice-versa.

> > > > >

> > > > > For Taurus, Libra and Cancer are Vasya signs. Why?

> > > > > Cancer - Rule (1) applies here. Lord of Cancer Moon is

> > > > exalted

> > > > > in Taurus.

> > > > > Libra - Rule (1) applies here. Taurus and Libra are

> ruled

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > same planet Ve.

> > > > >

> > > > > For Gemini, Virgo is Vasya sign. Why?

> > > > > Virgo - Rule (2) applies here. Gemini and Virgo are

> ruled

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > same planet.

> > > > >

> > > > > For Cancer, Scorpio and Sagittarius are Vasya signs. Why?

> > > > > Scorpio - Is there any connection? The lord of Cancer

> gets

> > > > > debilitated in Scorpio!! Both Cancer and Scorpio are signs

> that

> > > > > represent reptiles - i.e. Sareesripa signs. The lord of

> Scorpio

> > > > gets

> > > > > debilitated in Cancer. So there is a very strong connection

> > > > between

> > > > > the two signs.

> > > > > Rule : (3) The sign in which the lord of the first

> > > considered

> > > > > sign gets debilitated could be a Vasya sign. (Here Mo gets

> > > > > debilitated in Scorpio)

> > > > > Sagittarius - Rule (1) applies here. The lord of

> > Sagittarius

> > > > > gets exalted in Cancer.

> > > > >

> > > > > For Leo, Libra is Vasya sign. Why?

> > > > > Lira - Rule (3) applies here. Lord of Leo Sun gets

> > > debilitated

> > > > in

> > > > > Leo.

> > > > >

> > > > > For Virgo, Gemini and Pisces are Vasya Signs. Why?

> > > > > Gemini - Rule (2) applies. Gemini and Virgo are ruled

by

> > the

> > > > same

> > > > > planet Me.

> > > > > Pisces - Rule (3) applies. Lord of Virgo Me gets

> > debilitated

> > > > in

> > > > > Piaces.

> > > > >

> > > > > For Libra, Virgo and Capricorn are Vasya signs. Why?

> > > > > Virgo - Rule (3) applies. Lord of Libra gets

> debilitated

> > in

> > > > > Virgo.

> > > > > Capricorn - Rule (1) applies. Lord of Capricorn Sa

gets

> > > > exalted

> > > > > in Libra.

> > > > >

> > > > > For Scorpio, Cancer is the Vasya sign. Why?

> > > > > Cancer - Rule (3) applies. Lord of Scorpio Ma gets

> > > debilitated

> > > > in

> > > > > Cancer.

> > > > >

> > > > > For Sagittarius, Pisces is Vasya sign. Why?

> > > > > Pisces - Rule (2) applies. Sagittarius and Pisces are

> ruled

> > > by

> > > > > the same planet Ju.

> > > > >

> > > > > For Capricorn, Aquarius and Aries is Vasya sign. Why?

> > > > > Aquarius - Rule (2) applies. Capricorn and Aquarius

are

> > > ruled

> > > > by

> > > > > the same planet Sa.

> > > > > Aries - Rule (1) applies. The lord of Aries gets

> exalted

> > in

> > > > > Capricorn.

> > > > >

> > > > > For Aquarius, Aries is Vasya sign. Why?

> > > > > Aquarius - Rule (3) applies. The lord of Aquarius gets

> > > > > debilitated in Aries.

> > > > >

> > > > > Fro Pisces, Sagittarius is the Vasya sign. Why?

> > > > > Sagittarius - Rule (2) applies. Pisces and Sagittarius

> are

> > > > ruled

> > > > > by the same planet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lesson to remember: The sages never tell a thing without

> > reason

> > > > and

> > > > > Logic!! We just need to search and find it out!!

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

April 9, 2006

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog

wrote:

Dear Arjun ji,

You said:

> stars and planets are existing in nature,

> rasis are mythical in nature.

I disagree!! Why? I will explain.

1) Stars : They are also mythical (following your terminology) since

we are talking about stellar divisions and NOT Yoga taras. Our star

(i.e. Nakshatra) is 'an area in sky', a stellar division, covering 13

deg 20 min. Thus become mythological due to the same reason you

ascribed to rasi.

2) Rasis (Signs) : They are also mythological (following your

terminology) since they represent 'an area in sky' covering 30 deg.

3) Planets : They are also mythological, since in astrology, we are

not talking about the planets that physical entities having no

special qualities and significance 9we ascribe to them in astrology).

But instead we are talking about Sun that is Father and Atma karaka,

Moon that is mother and water, Mars that is warrior etc!!! If not

mythological how will you understand it scientifically!!

I will better agree upon using the word 'concept' or 'hypothetical

construct' rather than the word 'mythological'. In astrology

1) Signs 2) Nakshatras 3) Planets 4) Bhavas(Houses)

become concepts!!! Actually these are the basic 'constructs' in

astrology (similar to 'Vata-Pita-Kapha' in Ayurveda and 'Vital force'

in naturopathy) and that is why significance is assigned to these 4

categories only. I think you will support this view which helps us

much, in understanding the logical system called astrology, and

understanding it as a system that fits into 'holistic approach'.

You said:

> over and above, we have astrology derived from hindu mythology.

> while according to mythology we treat planets including satellite

> moon as gods and worship their personalities, astronomy and science

> paints them as balls of some mass. while the science says how moon

> waxes and wanes, all puranas says how moon was cursed with kshaya

> roga due to his neglecting of his 27 wives, how the modern man

> percieves these contradictions - to see stars as wives and planets

> as husbands or just balls of some light.

Here also the problem is with understanding the views of ancient

Rishi's in there own light, I mean the system provided by they

themselves. I will explain:

In there holistic approach to subjects under study, the ancient

Rishis from the period of Vedas itself, uses approaches such as-

1) Adhi-Bhowtika

2) Adhi-Daivika etc.

Ascribing human nature or thinking that a divine god/goddess with a

particular shape/body/qualities is present within 'each and every

material' (They left nothing! It was a system of study!) is a method

utilized by the saints in study!! But, yes, I should agree that, this

lead to too many misunderstandings and confusions. But should also

understand that, this system of study is beautifully utilized in

astrology which negates this disqualification ascribed to it. Just

see how beautifully we can picturise things, when we see-

Sun - as a king, with a strong and matured body

Moon - as a queen, with a motherly nature

Venus - as the beautiful lady

Gulika - as the snake etc !!

The same system is in use, when we see -

Aries - as Ram

Taurus - as Ox etc as well!!

It is better to have a closer look at the logical systems used by

the Rishis, such as Adhi-Bhowtika, Adhi-Daivika etc and also to have

a closer look at the holistic system of study, before jumping into

conclusions.

It is easy to ascribe/accept everything as part of mythology, but I

would add that, it does not help much in understanding the systematic

approach of our ancient seers. Understanding the system they

followed, in their own terms, is what we lacked till date, and better

than late to save our ancient knowledge in good shape, let us try to

do that.

PS: It is the bigger picture, and the exact understanding of

outlines of the subject under scrutiny is of importance in any study.

That makes our work simpler.