Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2004 Hello, I understand that the Tantric Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRING can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. Ring as in ring...shring...shring...shring... Does this mean that the Vedic Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRIM can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. RiM as in "The Rim of a wheel" or must it be the usual "SHREEM?" Namaste, Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2004 shreem sh as sh in shine; ree as in reel; It rhymes with Cream with sh instead of C. The same shreem is written by some as shring and by some as shrim. They are not two different bijas. And it is spronounced as above. Rgds , "farmerfarrar02" <peterfarrar02@h...> wrote: > Hello, > > I understand that the Tantric Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRING > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. Ring as in > ring...shring...shring...shring... > > Does this mean that the Vedic Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRIM > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. RiM as in "The Rim > of a wheel" or must it be the usual "SHREEM?" > > Namaste, > > Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2004 , "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > shreem > > sh as sh in shine; ree as in reel; > > It rhymes with Cream with sh instead of C. > > The same shreem is written by some as shring and by some as shrim. > They are not two different bijas. And it is spronounced as above. > > Rgds > My Dear friend, Please drop your COSY ATTITUDE. Either learn TM or ring Jodhpur on +91-(0291)-432209 - in both cases you will discover that the Tantric Beeja Mantra for Lakshmi is SHRING,and this mantra is many times more powerful than SHRIM pronounced SHREEM ! Regards, Billy Smith > > , "farmerfarrar02" > <peterfarrar02@h...> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I understand that the Tantric Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRING > > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. Ring as in > > ring...shring...shring...shring... > > > > Does this mean that the Vedic Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRIM > > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. RiM as in "The Rim > > of a wheel" or must it be the usual "SHREEM?" > > > > Namaste, > > > > Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2004 , "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > shreem > > sh as sh in shine; ree as in reel; > > It rhymes with Cream with sh instead of C. > > The same shreem is written by some as shring and by some as shrim. > They are not two different bijas. And it is spronounced as above. > > Rgds My Dear Friend you are implying that my GURU is a Quack. Shring pronounced Shring is the Tantric Bija Mantra for Lakshimi, and Shrim Pronounced SHREEM is the Vedic version of the Bija Mantra for Lakshimi Just accept it ,or face the wrath of 6 million people - YOUR CHOICE ! > > > , "farmerfarrar02" > <peterfarrar02@h...> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I understand that the Tantric Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRING > > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. Ring as in > > ring...shring...shring...shring... > > > > Does this mean that the Vedic Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRIM > > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. RiM as in "The Rim > > of a wheel" or must it be the usual "SHREEM?" > > > > Namaste, > > > > Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2004 Let us stop the argument here (or if you must go on, take it off- board). Both viewpoints are now duly presented; the rest is name- calling. No need to go there. Hokay? Thanks , "biosoundbill" <biosoundmeditation@i...> wrote: > , "Satish Arigela" > <satisharigela> wrote: > > shreem > > > > sh as sh in shine; ree as in reel; > > > > It rhymes with Cream with sh instead of C. > > > > The same shreem is written by some as shring and by some as shrim. > > They are not two different bijas. And it is spronounced as above. > > > > Rgds > > My Dear Friend you are implying that my GURU is a Quack. > > Shring pronounced Shring is the Tantric Bija Mantra for Lakshimi, > and Shrim > Pronounced SHREEM is the Vedic version of the Bija Mantra for > Lakshimi > > Just accept it ,or face the wrath of 6 million people - YOUR CHOICE ! > > > > > > > , "farmerfarrar02" > > <peterfarrar02@h...> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I understand that the Tantric Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra > SHRING > > > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. Ring as in > > > ring...shring...shring...shring... > > > > > > Does this mean that the Vedic Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra > SHRIM > > > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. RiM as in "The > Rim > > > of a wheel" or must it be the usual "SHREEM?" > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2004 I agree. Shring is a corrupted form of shrIM normally heard in North India. Satish Arigela <satisharigela wrote:shreem sh as sh in shine; ree as in reel; It rhymes with Cream with sh instead of C. The same shreem is written by some as shring and by some as shrim. They are not two different bijas. And it is spronounced as above. Rgds , "farmerfarrar02" <peterfarrar02@h...> wrote: > Hello, > > I understand that the Tantric Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRING > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. Ring as in > ring...shring...shring...shring... > > Does this mean that the Vedic Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRIM > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. RiM as in "The Rim > of a wheel" or must it be the usual "SHREEM?" > > Namaste, > > Peter / SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2004 ok but where in Tantra or Vedas do u find this "shring"? Which are the mantras with that bIja. I have not seen any!! Whenever I hear people saying this bIja I just sigh. There is no such Bija. Please look up bIjakoshika. If someone corrupts bijas that will not make them real. Please. biosoundbill <biosoundmeditation wrote: , "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > shreem > > sh as sh in shine; ree as in reel; > > It rhymes with Cream with sh instead of C. > > The same shreem is written by some as shring and by some as shrim. > They are not two different bijas. And it is spronounced as above. > > Rgds > My Dear friend, Please drop your COSY ATTITUDE. Either learn TM or ring Jodhpur on +91-(0291)-432209 - in both cases you will discover that the Tantric Beeja Mantra for Lakshmi is SHRING,and this mantra is many times more powerful than SHRIM pronounced SHREEM ! Regards, Billy Smith > > , "farmerfarrar02" > <peterfarrar02@h...> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I understand that the Tantric Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRING > > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. Ring as in > > ring...shring...shring...shring... > > > > Does this mean that the Vedic Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRIM > > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. RiM as in "The Rim > > of a wheel" or must it be the usual "SHREEM?" > > > > Namaste, > > > > Peter / SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2004 , "biosoundbill" <biosoundmeditation@i...> wrote: > My Dear Friend you are implying that my GURU is a Quack. > > Shring pronounced Shring is the Tantric Bija Mantra for Lakshimi, > and Shrim > Pronounced SHREEM is the Vedic version of the Bija Mantra for > Lakshimi From whatever little I know there is no vedic lakshmi bija and tantric lakshmi bija. There is just a lakshmi bija, and some authors write it as shring and some as shreem. A friend of mine said that the differeent ways of spelling might be due to north indian and south indian ways of saying shreem. If there are something called vedic bijas different from tantric bijas i would like to know the other vedic bijas for other deities. Are there vedic equavalents for all tantric bijas? Anyone who is familair with vedas will know that vedas do not contain bijaksharas except for some upanishads. And the few bijaksharas I have seen are written the same way in tantric texts. For ex: certain bijaksharas are there in Dakshinamurti upanishad (which is part of veda) and when referring to tantric texts the bijas are spelled the same way. Saying that there exists a vedic bijakshara and a tantric bijakshara for a certain deity and their being different, sounds to me like somebody saying that, there exist 4 Newton's laws of motion as opposed to common knowledge of 3 laws. Hence, this will be my last post on this topic. Is this what is being taught to people(6 million?) practicing TM? Rgds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2004 This is not a place for threats. Just because someone said something or someone misheard the bIja pronounced badly will not make it authoritative. I do not know who your guru is and what your Guru said, or you thought the Guru said may be OK for YOU. But do not force it on others. If you have any authority showing the existence of "shirng" give it. Just because a guru said something or u misheard a guru that will not be general authority. Thats your personal authority. so lets not argue on the alleged 6 million who will be angry. think Hindus are far in excess of 6 million. biosoundbill <biosoundmeditation wrote: , "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > shreem > > sh as sh in shine; ree as in reel; > > It rhymes with Cream with sh instead of C. > > The same shreem is written by some as shring and by some as shrim. They are not two different bijas. And it is spronounced as above. > > Rgds My Dear Friend you are implying that my GURU is a Quack. Shring pronounced Shring is the Tantric Bija Mantra for Lakshimi, and Shrim Pronounced SHREEM is the Vedic version of the Bija Mantra for Lakshimi Just accept it ,or face the wrath of 6 million people - YOUR CHOICE ! > > > , "farmerfarrar02" > <peterfarrar02@h...> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I understand that the Tantric Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRING > > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. Ring as in > > ring...shring...shring...shring... > > > > Does this mean that the Vedic Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRIM > > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. RiM as in "The Rim > > of a wheel" or must it be the usual "SHREEM?" > > > > Namaste, > > > > Peter / SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2004 sankara menon [kochu1tz] > so lets not argue on the alleged 6 million who will be angry. think > Hindus are far in excess of 6 million. According to ReligiousTolerance.org, it's more on the order of 762 million. http://www.religioustolerance.org/hinduism.htm In Her Service, KG ---- Kensho Godchaser http://www.KenshoGodchaser.com/ Why should there be anything new? The object of spiritual seeking is to find out what is eternally true, not what is new in Time. - Sri Aurobindo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2004 My 2c- I have heard from a number of sources on the Tantrokt ending in NG and the Vedokt ending in M; I think that both of these mantras are tantrik beejas and the distintion is made to show that SHREENG is more powerful than SHREEM(there is generally an opinion that tantrik mantras are more powerful than vedic mantras). On another note in his book Tantrik kriya yoga, Sunyavada Saraswati also says that SHREENG is more powerful than SHREEM; it all depends on how the chant is done- with SHREEM the resonance at the end of vocalization is in the cavity of the mouth; but with SHREENG the whole head resonates, the effect of the mantra is amplified. Very few people know how to chant even AUM correctly, so SHREEM,SHREENG are the pretty much the same. -yogaman ps. All of the above views are not necessarily mine, I am just plainly stating what I read; so dont get mad at me :-) , "farmerfarrar02" <peterfarrar02@h...> wrote: > Hello, > > I understand that the Tantric Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRING > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. Ring as in > ring...shring...shring...shring... > > Does this mean that the Vedic Lakshimi Bija or beej mantra SHRIM > can be pronounced as spelled :- SH as in shine. RiM as in "The Rim > of a wheel" or must it be the usual "SHREEM?" > > Namaste, > > Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2004 , "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > , "biosoundbill" > <biosoundmeditation@i...> wrote: > > My Dear Friend you are implying that my GURU is a Quack. > > > > Shring pronounced Shring is the Tantric Bija Mantra for Lakshimi, > > and Shrim > > Pronounced SHREEM is the Vedic version of the Bija Mantra for > > Lakshimi > > > From whatever little I know there is no vedic lakshmi bija > and tantric lakshmi bija. There is just a lakshmi bija, and some > authors write it as shring and some as shreem. A friend of mine said > that the differeent ways of spelling might be due to north indian > and south indian ways of saying shreem. > > If there are something called vedic bijas different from tantric > bijas i would like to know the other vedic bijas for other deities. > > Are there vedic equavalents for all tantric bijas? > > Anyone who is familair with vedas will know that vedas do not > contain bijaksharas except for some upanishads. And the few > bijaksharas I have seen are written the same way in tantric texts. > For ex: certain bijaksharas are there in Dakshinamurti upanishad > (which is part of veda) and when referring to tantric texts the > bijas are spelled the same way. > > Saying that there exists a vedic bijakshara and a tantric > bijakshara for a certain deity and their being different, sounds to > me like somebody saying that, there exist 4 Newton's laws of motion > as opposed to common knowledge of 3 laws. Hence, this will be my > last post on this topic. > > Is this what is being taught to people(6 million?) practicing TM? > > Rgds Dear Satish, The last thing that I wish to do is to fall out with somebody over something so sacred as mantras - like many people -I brought into the TM CON- Here are the TM mantras - people are not even told Which God or Goddess each bija is for! Transcendental Meditation Mantra Pronunciation 1. ING - pronunciation: - ING as in Swing, 2. IM - pronunciation : - *IM* as in Rim. 3. INGA - pronunciation : - ING as in Swing, + A as in Ah. 4. IMA - pronunciation: - *IM* as in Rim, + *A* as in Ah. 5. EMA pronunciation "EEM", as in seem,&`A' as in `AH;' EMA 6. AING pronunciation "eyeING" 7. AIM pronunciation ''I'' and ''IM'' like in ''Limb'''I-IM' 8. AINGA pronunciation EYE-ING-AH 9. AIMA pronunciation 'I',EEM', like in the word SEEM. and 'A' as in 'MA' = I-EEM-A 10. RAM Pronounced Rahm 11. SHRIRAM Pronounced See Rahm 12. SHRING Pronounced SHRING 13. SHIRING The correct pronunciation of the mantra SHIRING is "SHEAR" like to 'shear' a sheep and "ING" like in the word 'sing'. 14. SHIRIM The correct pronunciation is shear, like shearing a sheep - and im, like 'rim' the rim of a wheel; "shearim" SHIRIM 15. HIRING "Hi", the 'i' is pronounced like in the word "Hit". "Ring" is pronounced like the word "sing". HI-RING 16. HIRIM IN AMERICA -Your mantra is HIRIM. The HI is pronounced as in the word "Hit". The RIM is pronounced as to rhyme with DIM - HI -RIM 17. HIRIM IN EUROPE The HI is pronounced as the "he "in the word "hedge". The RIM is pronounced as the "rem" in the word remember. = "HEH – REM." 18. KIRING The pronunciation is ki; "i" like in the word 'kit', and ring, just like the English word 'ring'. – KI-RING 19. KIRIM The correct pronunciation is ki - the 'i' is like in the word "kit" - and rim pronounced as to rhyme with DIM KI -RIM 20. SHYAM 2 syllableS 'SHE' + 'AM' = ''SHE-AM '' 21. SHYAMA . SHE -AH - MAH. Well there you have it 21 little words which may or may not be real bija mantras - who knows. All I know is it costs a fortune to learn! Namaste, Billy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2004 "All I know is it costs a fortune to learn!" Serious! I am just curious. How do you pay : $$ per mantra? Sorry not being sarcastic, just wish to know that is all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 3, 2004 OM Billy You said, "All I know is it costs a fortune to learn" Yes, TM is expensive. That is because it is a pyramid selling scheme. The first talk is free. Everything else has a price tag. For this course, $300.00; for that course $450.00; etc. I have heard an estimate that it costs around $10,000.00 in incremental courses to learn how to do that ridiculous yogic flying. The internet is rife with ex-TMers who complain about the cost. As has been said before, the authentic Guru does not charge for Mantra initiation. My Guru would not even accept flowers when he initiated me into my Mantra but instead asked me to offer the flowers to his Guru. As for Bija Mantras, Swami Vishnudevnanda, in his book, Meditation and Mantras, has this to say: 1. Dum Here Da means Durga, and u means to protect. Nada means Mother of the Universe, and bindu signifies action (worship or prayer). This is the bija Mantra of Durga. 2. Kreem With this Mantra Kalika should be worshipped. Ka is Kali, ra is Brahman, and ee is Mahamaya. Nada is the Mother of the Universe, and bindu is the dispeller of sorrow. 3. Hreem This is the Mantra of Mahamaya or Bhuvaneshwari. Ha means Siva, ra is prakriti, ee means Mahamaya. Nada is the Mother of the Universe, and bindu is the dispeller of sorrow. 4. Shreem This is the Mantra of Maha Lakshmi. Sha is Maha Lakshmi, ra means wealth, ee is satisfaction or contentment. Nada is the manifested Brahman, and bindu means the dispeller of sorrow. 5. Aim This is the bija Mantra of Saraswati. Ai stands for Saraswati, and bindu is the dispeller of sorrow. There is much more, of course, but this enough for this discussion. OM Namah Sivaya Omprem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Oh for goodness sake (rolls eyes). More than twenty years ago at the age of 30 I received a mantra that sounded to me like 'shirring'. I have used it ever since and it still results in a perfectly satisfactory meditation as far as I can tell. This is the first time I have ever tried to find out what it meant or why I was given this particular mantra. I just read somewhere that shrim is for females, shring for males ... well forgive me, but I don't feel short changed to have been given the 'wrong' one and I really question whether it matters exactly how it is pronounced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
