Retrogression

Hare Rama Krishna,

Namaste sarajit ji,

 

That was very enlightening.

I still am trying to figure out how a

exalted-retrograde/ Parivartan would finally pan out.

 

Thanks,

humbly,

Rema

 

--- Sarajit Poddar <sarajit wrote:

> Jaya Jagannath

> Dear Jyotisha,

>

> This topic of retrogression is always bothering and

> elusive. To clarify some aspects I am giving here

> what Pt. Sanjay Rath says about retrogression. This

> is mostly in the form of Questions and answers, and

> can easily be followed. Wherever I felt like, I gave

> my comments...

>

> EXPRESS STARTELLER in an Interview

>

> How did you assess the debilitated planets if they

> are also in retrogression?

>

>

>

> PT. SANJAY RATH

>

> The retrograde planet acquires considerable rays as

> the outer planets are retrograde when away from the

> Sun, thereby acquiring its rays. This is called

> Chesta Bala. Thus, a retrograde planet indicates

> denial of its fruits for which a lot of additional

> effort will have to be made. If it were retrograde

> in the 11th house, then the desires and hopes will

> be smashed while retrogression in the seventh shows

> strange sexual appetites. If a natural benefic is

> retrograde & debilitated in a quadrant or trine

> indicates a curse from the past life. For example in

> a Chart with Virgo Lagna, Jupiter was retrograde,

> debilitated and vargottama in the 5th house

> Capricorn. Thus, the curse cannot be removed due to

> the vargottama position and the native became a

> schizophrenic patient when Jupiter dasa started.

> Conversely, natural malefic planets in a quadrant or

> trine, when retrograde and debilitated are a

> blessing from the past birth. The opposite occurs in

> dusthana. The second point is that a retrograde

> planet reverses its indications. Thus, if a planet

> is retrograde in the 11th house, income and gains

> could be denied for legitimate work done. The

> planets in debility in the seventh from Arudha Lagna

> can destroy Rajyoga and when retrograde, this cannot

> be stopped easily. Maharishi Jaimini teaches "Tasmin

> Ucche neeche va Srimantaha" i.e. if a planet is

> exalted or debilitated, it will give good finances

> and wealth. All this will have to be considered

> before declaring results and both good and evil can

> occur simultaneously in different spheres of life.

>

Questions posed by me, and answered by Sanjayji

>

> SARAJIT

>

> I have a fundamental doubt. Please clarify.

> Somewhere I found that the retrogression weakens the

> planets and in other places I found them to make the

> planet stronger because it provides the planet with

> bright rays.

>

>

>

> PT.SANJAY RATH

>

> Retrogression gives "CHESTA BALA" i.e. the power and

> energy to strive and work very hard. Saturn is my

> Atmakaraka indicating that my ATMA will desire to

> follow the path of the tradition and that of my

> ancestors. It is retrograde indicating that inspire

> of all obstacles, I will continue to strive very

> hard till my last breath and since it is AK, I will

> put my heart and soul into this. Since it is in own

> house Capricorn, it will results akin to being in

> Cancer i.e. enemy house, but Rajyoga when it sits in

> the throne!!

>

>

>

> Comments: In Sanjayji's case, Saturn is placed in

> Capricorn in retrogression and hence it will pose as

> if it is placed in Cancer, an enemy house, in the

> 5th. So he will face lots of struggle, more so

> because Saturn is his atmakaraka. Now the planets

> in the 5th should be a good friend of the planet in

> the Lagna, otherwise there will be conflicts (COVA)

> and unrest (5th house is the house of Chitta - the

> inner harmony). This all shows the kind of time

> struggle he is passing through during the Moola dasa

> of Saturn. The results will be finally good as

> Saturn is placed in own house in the 11th (the

> objective related to Jyotish).

>

>

>

> SARAJIT

>

> I could not understand the following thing. Please

> clarify. "Gurudev: since it is in own house

> Capricorn, it will results akin to being in Cancer

> i.e. enemy house, but Rajyoga when it sits in the

> throne!!" And I cannot understand why retrograde

> Saturn in Cp will give result as it is in Cancer.

>

>

>

> PT.SANJAY RATH

>

> There is a rare dictum that two powerful Rajyoga are

> generated if Saturn is in Cancer or Jupiter is in

> Pisces in the throne. The "throne" refers to the

> 10th house or Lagna. Normally Saturn gives this

> Rajyoga in the political field while Jupiter gives

> the Rajyoga in the spiritual field. Examples are the

> charts of Indira gandhi, Adolf Hitler etc. In

> Jayalalitha's chart, the lord of Upapada is Saturn

> and is placed in Cancer. Hence, her husband Late MGR

> enjoyed great Rajyoga and she inherited this

> (Upapada in the 8th house). Parasara says that

> Pisces lagna with Jupiter in it gives Moksha.

> Regarding retrograde Saturn: Partly, like being in

> the seventh from the sign it is in. For example, if

> Saturn is retrograde in Aries, some of the results

> are like exaltation..high status, power etc. While

> if Saturn is retrograde in Libra (Charts of Sri Rama

> & Ramakrishna Paramhamsa) then Saturn causes

> debilitation in the physical sense only i.e. Sanyas

> or Vanvas whereas the spiritual aspect is very much

> heightened.

>

>

>

> MR.SARAJIT

>

> This implies that a debilitated planet if retrograde

> would give the result of the house of exaltation and

> hence would be good for the native. But it seems to

> be quite contradictory to what you said earlier;

> that the cancellation of debilitation of a planet

> becomes difficult if it is retrograde. Please

> clarify...

>

>

>

> PT.SANJAY RATH

>

> Yes, I said difficult but not impossible. Bhagavan

> Sri Ram went for Vanvas, but that does not mean that

> He did not defeat Ravana and become the king of

> Ayodhya. The point is that a lot of struggle is

> involved. In my chart I am destined to follow the

> path of my elders and that means Jyotish and this is

> a very difficult task as the expectations of Saturn

> are very high from me. I have to work very hard to

> try to explain things in these mails when I know

> that this is actually next to impossible. Hence the

> Maharishi's always taught in the Gurukula after

> Meditation. Even today at SJVC classes are taken

> only after meditation. Try to grasp the point that

> the aim/ ambition is high and also that this is not

> going to come easily...struggle is indicated. Thus

> in the case of Saturn being retrograde in exaltation

> and also in the 10th from AL, much good cannot be

> expected. During its Moola Dasa it will surely show

> its color.

>

>

>

> Comments:

>

> Here we can identify two distinct things happening.

> One is the result which we accrue and the other the

> process with which we accrue it. In all the cases,

> the process of arriving at the result becomes very

> difficult as the retrogression tries to deny the

> fruits of the house where it is placed (Express

> Starteller interview) and the native strives harder

> and harder (High Chesta Bala) to acchive that. We

> say that planet is strong and with bright rays in a

> way that, it shows tremendous, determination, will

> power and persistence to get the results. Now

> whether he gets the results of not is seen from how

> he is placed. If exalted, the planet will behave as

> in debilitation and pose herculian tasks to be

> completed by the native (Sri Rama's case, where he

> had to go to Vanavas), however the results will be

> that of exaltation ultimately. If the planet is

> debilitated, then in the process, he might achieve

> high power, status etc (results of exaltation-

> example of Sat in Aries), however thats only for

> temporary duration, there would be fall ultimately.

>

>

>

> If we consider debilitation is good for spirituality

> and

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Rema Menon

 

 

 

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Jaya Jagannath

Dear Jyotisha,

 

This topic of retrogression is always bothering and elusive. To clarify some

aspects I am giving here what Pt. Sanjay Rath says about retrogression. This is

mostly in the form of Questions and answers, and can easily be followed.

Wherever I felt like, I gave my comments...

 

EXPRESS STARTELLER in an Interview

How did you assess the debilitated planets if they are also in retrogression?

 

PT. SANJAY RATH

The retrograde planet acquires considerable rays as the outer planets are

retrograde when away from the Sun, thereby acquiring its rays. This is called

Chesta Bala. Thus, a retrograde planet indicates denial of its fruits for which

a lot of additional effort will have to be made. If it were retrograde in the

11th house, then the desires and hopes will be smashed while retrogression in

the seventh shows strange sexual appetites. If a natural benefic is retrograde

& debilitated in a quadrant or trine indicates a curse from the past life. For

example in a Chart with Virgo Lagna, Jupiter was retrograde, debilitated and

vargottama in the 5th house Capricorn. Thus, the curse cannot be removed due to

the vargottama position and the native became a schizophrenic patient when

Jupiter dasa started. Conversely, natural malefic planets in a quadrant or

trine, when retrograde and debilitated are a blessing from the past birth. The

opposite occurs in dusthana. The second point is that a retrograde planet

reverses its indications. Thus, if a planet is retrograde in the 11th house,

income and gains could be denied for legitimate work done. The planets in

debility in the seventh from Arudha Lagna can destroy Rajyoga and when

retrograde, this cannot be stopped easily. Maharishi Jaimini teaches “Tasmin

Ucche neeche va Srimantaha” i.e. if a planet is exalted or debilitated, it will

give good finances and wealth. All this will have to be considered before

declaring results and both good and evil can occur simultaneously in different

spheres of life.

 

 

 

Questions posed by me, and answered by Sanjayji

SARAJIT

I have a fundamental doubt. Please clarify. Somewhere I found that the

retrogression weakens the planets and in other places I found them to make the

planet stronger because it provides the planet with bright rays.

 

PT.SANJAY RATH

Retrogression gives "CHESTA BALA" i.e. the power and energy to strive and work

very hard. Saturn is my Atmakaraka indicating that my ATMA will desire to

follow the path of the tradition and that of my ancestors. It is retrograde

indicating that inspire of all obstacles, I will continue to strive very hard

till my last breath and since it is AK, I will put my heart and soul into this.

Since it is in own house Capricorn, it will results akin to being in Cancer i.e.

enemy house, but Rajyoga when it sits in the throne!!

 

Comments: In Sanjayji's case, Saturn is placed in Capricorn in retrogression and

hence it will pose as if it is placed in Cancer, an enemy house, in the 5th. So

he will face lots of struggle, more so because Saturn is his atmakaraka. Now

the planets in the 5th should be a good friend of the planet in the Lagna,

otherwise there will be conflicts (COVA) and unrest (5th house is the house of

Chitta - the inner harmony). This all shows the kind of time struggle he is

passing through during the Moola dasa of Saturn. The results will be finally

good as Saturn is placed in own house in the 11th (the objective related to

Jyotish).

 

SARAJIT

I could not understand the following thing. Please clarify. “Gurudev: since it

is in own house Capricorn, it will results akin to being in Cancer i.e. enemy

house, but Rajyoga when it sits in the throne!!" And I cannot understand why

retrograde Saturn in Cp will give result as it is in Cancer.

 

PT.SANJAY RATH

There is a rare dictum that two powerful Rajyoga are generated if Saturn is in

Cancer or Jupiter is in Pisces in the throne. The "throne" refers to the 10th

house or Lagna. Normally Saturn gives this Rajyoga in the political field while

Jupiter gives the Rajyoga in the spiritual field. Examples are the charts of

Indira gandhi, Adolf Hitler etc. In Jayalalitha's chart, the lord of Upapada is

Saturn and is placed in Cancer. Hence, her husband Late MGR enjoyed great

Rajyoga and she inherited this (Upapada in the 8th house). Parasara says that

Pisces lagna with Jupiter in it gives Moksha. Regarding retrograde Saturn:

Partly, like being in the seventh from the sign it is in. For example, if

Saturn is retrograde in Aries, some of the results are like exaltation..high

status, power etc. While if Saturn is retrograde in Libra (Charts of Sri Rama &

Ramakrishna Paramhamsa) then Saturn causes debilitation in the physical sense

only i.e. Sanyas or Vanvas whereas the spiritual aspect is very much

heightened.

 

MR.SARAJIT

This implies that a debilitated planet if retrograde would give the result of

the house of exaltation and hence would be good for the native. But it seems to

be quite contradictory to what you said earlier; that the cancellation of

debilitation of a planet becomes difficult if it is retrograde. Please

clarify...

 

PT.SANJAY RATH

Yes, I said difficult but not impossible. Bhagavan Sri Ram went for Vanvas, but

that does not mean that He did not defeat Ravana and become the king of

Ayodhya. The point is that a lot of struggle is involved. In my chart I am

destined to follow the path of my elders and that means Jyotish and this is a

very difficult task as the expectations of Saturn are very high from me. I have

to work very hard to try to explain things in these mails when I know that this

is actually next to impossible. Hence the Maharishi's always taught in the

Gurukula after Meditation. Even today at SJVC classes are taken only after

meditation. Try to grasp the point that the aim/ ambition is high and also that

this is not going to come easily...struggle is indicated. Thus in the case of

Saturn being retrograde in exaltation and also in the 10th from AL, much good

cannot be expected. During its Moola Dasa it will surely show its color.

 

Comments:

Here we can identify two distinct things happening. One is the result which we

accrue and the other the process with which we accrue it. In all the cases, the

process of arriving at the result becomes very difficult as the retrogression

tries to deny the fruits of the house where it is placed (Express Starteller

interview) and the native strives harder and harder (High Chesta Bala) to

acchive that. We say that planet is strong and with bright rays in a way that,

it shows tremendous, determination, will power and persistence to get the

results. Now whether he gets the results of not is seen from how he is placed.

If exalted, the planet will behave as in debilitation and pose herculian tasks

to be completed by the native (Sri Rama's case, where he had to go to Vanavas),

however the results will be that of exaltation ultimately. If the planet is

debilitated, then in the process, he might achieve high power, status etc

(results of exaltation- example of Sat in Aries), however thats only for

temporary duration, there would be fall ultimately.

 

If we consider debilitation is good for spirituality and exaltation is good for

materialism, the placement of retrograde Sat in exaltation is a blessing for

spiritualism as cited in the cases of Lord Rama and Ramakrsna Paramahamsa,

where the struggle teaches them the lessons of life and the results are

fruitful thereafter. This could be opposite for the planets retrograde in

exaltation, where the person enjoys all the sukha (bliss) of the world and then

falls down ultimately. This is again justified as retogression is only a

temporary phenomenon, so the normal indication of the planet resumes after

temporary results of opposite nature.

 

However in all the cases, struggle is something, which is common.

 

 

More in the next mail...

 

RegardsSarajit