On Sri YUKTESWARS OPINION ON MAHABHARATA and Kali Yuga

Dear sri Vidyadhara,

 

You had written in one of your previous letters relating to our discussion on

the beginning of present Kali Yuga and in that connection to Mahabharata War

referring to Sri Yukteswara Giri, the Great Master of kriya yoga.

 

 

 

“At that time (700 BC) Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing the appearance of the dark

Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson, the said Raja Parikshit.

Maharaja Yudhisthira, together with all the wise men of his court, retired to

the Himalaya Mountains, the paradise of the world.".

 

It would appear the Mahabharata War would have taken place sometime between 700 to 800 BC.

 

 

With great respect to you I am constrained to say that no where Sri Yukteswara

Giri had said that Mahabharata war or Kali Yuga had started in 700 or near 700

BC.

After searching considerably in the literature of YOGADA SATSANG , and after

querying many of his disciples who has deep knowledge about him and his work ,I

came across no such date which the Great yogi had recommended for the said

beginning of Yuga.

Even the lines you have quoted 700 BC is written in bracket and so Sri

Yukteswara was of opinion that Yudhistira lived in 700 BC does not seem true .

 

However it is very clear from the statement that Yudhistira lived very near the

coming Kali Yuga. If we refer to the equinoctial cycle as spoken by Sri

Yukteswara ( as diff from the Universal cycle derived traditionally – please

see below) of 24000 years consisting of a ascending and descending arc of 12000

years each , as per his calculation 500 yr AD is taken as the beginning of Kali

Yuga of this ascending arc which ended in 1700 AD and now we are in Dwapara of

the ascending arc. So 700 BC or 800 BC if you calculate correctly would be no

where near ascending or descending Kali.

 

Now while describing his calculation of the 4 YUGAS he does not ignore or speaks

the traditional calculation as inappropriate. The two calculations are for

different purposes and not contrary to each other as some of has understood.

They are differentiated by two different terms Equinoctial cycle and Universal

cycle by the great yogi and his disciple Sri Yogananda Paramahamsa as would be

clear from the following passage from the AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF YOGI of Paramahansa

Yogananda.

 

"The start of the materialistic ages, according to Hindu scriptural reckoning,

was 3102 BC. This year was the beginning of the last Descending Dwapara Yuga of

the 12,000 –year " Equinoctial cycle" , and also the start of Kali Yuga of the

Vast "Universal cycle."

 

~The science of

Kriyaa yoga- page 237.

 

 

In this connection I would refer you to the Chapter entitled “Outwitting the

stars”- Page 166, 167 and other passages of Autobiography of a yogi, regarding

this and the Bhagabad Gita, date of Adi Sankara, probable date of Vedic period

and such alike things where the opinion of the Great Masters are very apparent

if not very direct.

 

 

 

 

SEERs, or Yogis or Great Souls of his caliber seldom even if Trikaalagyan

declare historical dates publicly or they would have written the history.

Neither he nor any of the great souls of the present era is known for his

expression of historical dates or similar things, even during discussion they

may refer to certain things. Their mind is inseparable from the Universal Mind

and so they interfere not in the play of God or the Basic laws of nature that

confuses the present generation about the past and which we mortals must toil

hard with our earthy intelligence and evidenve finding to rediscover . Their

indeed lies the experience that would give human civilization the next leap for

its evolution .

 

We must be very very careful while assigning opinion to these great Masters

esp. in a controversial topics like this , who like the Maharshis of the past

are said to be of direct and unfailing vision . and all Seers of the present

Era are in tune and inseparable from the Seers from the past , for, in the

point they all stand there exist no time or no space.

 

With regards

 

Gurudatta Dash

 

 

 

-

Vaidun Vidyadhar

valist

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:38 PM

RE: Re: Mahabharat war- helpful link

Dear Friends,This is a bit long but I felt I just HAD to say what I want to say

on the subject.I went through the various links on the dating of the Mahabharat

War as submitted by list members.

Dr. P.V. Vartak firmly believes it was in the year 5561 BC.

Dr. S.Balakrishna writes, "It would appear that 3129 BCJ is a first candidate

for Mahabharata war followed by 2559 BCJ. Four other dates viz., 2056 BCJ,

1853 BCJ, 1708 BCJ and 1397 BCJ are other candidates."

Dr. Mohan Gupta categorically states, "Therefore the date 3067 B.C. suffers from

major inconsistencies and does not confirm to even the major events of the

Mahabharata epic whereas the date 1915 B.C. does not suffer from any major

inconsistency and confirms to all the major events of the great epic."

Sri Yukteswar had written: "At that time (700 BC) Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing

the appearance of the dark Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson, the

said Raja Parikshit. Maharaja Yudhisthira, together with all the wise men of

his court, retired to the Himalaya Mountains, the paradise of the world.". So

it would appear the Mahabharat War would have taken place sometime between 700

to 800 BC.

If you type "Mahabharat War" in any search engine you will get a few hundreds of

website addresses that will give yet other dates. Many of those who submitted a

date are likely to have spent a significant portion of their LIVES in a

passionate study of this subject. There are even some who believe there was no

such event at all. To them the Mahabharat War was just a myth. Yet, there was

only ONE Mahabharat War (if at all) and there can only be one CORRECT date.

Which one of the many hundreds of dates is the correct one? This is the

$64,000 question. Is there absolutely no way of knowing for certain? Is the

past completely hidden from those living in the present?

Fortunately, the answer is a NO. The Tibetan lamas refer to an "Akashic Record"

where every single event that occured in the past can be found indelibly

recorded for those who are qualified to see it. Spiritual Masters who have

attained the stage of nivikalpa samadhi can access the "Akashic Record". There

is nothing that is hidden to them, all of nature's secrets are revealed, just

for the asking. There is absolutely NOTHING in this whole universe that a

Master cannot know. These Masters have direct and immediate access to ANY

piece of knowledge. All human beings have the power of intuition within

themselves. In most of us, the power of intuition is dormant and hidden while

in the case of Masters their intuitive powers are fully developed and awake.

In every age and time there are always a few Masters present. Where are such

Masters found? The bible says, "Seek and ye shall find," Those who seek such

Masters will definitely find them.

Such a Master can correctly pinpoint the exact year of the Mahabharat War. It

will not be correct to classify what these Masters say on any subject as merely

their "theory".

This is MY understanding of the subject. I am certainly not a master and I may

be wrong, but I intuitively feel I've got it right.

Thanks for your time. With best regards.

Humbly yours

Vaidun Vidyadhar

Tamworth, NSW

Australia

Email: vvidya (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au

valist

[valist] On Behalf Of kadrudraWednesday, 17 August

2005 10:31valistSubject: Re: Mahabharat war- helpful

linkDear friends,you will find this article

interesting:http://www.geocities.com/vijayabalak/mahabharatha/yearone.htmyoursKAD---

In valist, "Astrologer Ashutosh"<astrologerashutosh>

wrote:> Dear astrologers,>> You will find this link

interesting andadding to the debate on date of mahabharat war. The most

convincing research I have read on this topic. It fixes Mahabharat date as 16th

oct 5561 BC. Go through whole website for more interesting arguments even on

date for Rama's birth :> >

http://www.hindunet.org/alt_hindu/1994/msg00582.html>>

http://www.hindunet.org/alt_hindu/1994/msg00579.htmlTo , send an

email to:

 

Dear Dr. Gurudatta Dash,

 

Thank you for your email below.

 

May I respectfully ask, have you read (or have in your possession) the small

booklet entitled "The Holy Science" written by "Gnanavatar Swami Sri Yukteswar

Giri", published by the Yogoda Satsanga Society of India in 1963? I have it

here with me. From what you have written below, it appears you don't. I had

typed extracts from this book and attached it to my post of 14 Aug. If you

want I can send it again?

 

>From what Sri Yukteswar has written it doesn't appear that he was talking about

a "Equinoctial cycle" , or a "Universal cycle." as shown at the footnote on

page 237 of Autobiography of a Yogi. On the other hand, on page xvii of this

booklet he categorically states:

 

"The position of the world in the Dwapara Sandhi era at present (A.D. 1894) is

not correctly shown in the Hindu almanacs. The astronomers and astrologers who

calculate the almanacs have been guided by wrong annotations of certain Sanskrit

scholars (such as Kulluka Bhatta) of the dark age of Kali Yuga, and now maintain

that the length of Kali Yuga is 432,000 years of which 4994 have (in A.D. 1894)

passed away, leaving 427,006 years still remaining. A dark prospect! And

fortunately one not true. The mistake crept into almanacs for the first time

about 700 B.C. during the reign of Raja Parikshit, just after the completion of

the last Descending Dwapara Yuga. At that time Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing

the appearance of the dark Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson, the

said Raja Parikshit. Maharaja Yudhisthira, together with all the wise men of

his court, retired to the Himalaya Mountains, the paradise of the world. Thus

there was none in the court of Raja Parikshit who could understand the

principle of correctly calculating the ages of the several yugas. Hence, after

the completion of the 2400 years of the then current Dwapara Yuga, no one dared

to make the introduction of the dark Kali Yuga more manifest by beginning to

calculate from its first year and to put an end to the number of Dwapara years.

According to this wrong method of calculation, therefore, the first year of

Kali Yuga was numbered 2401 along with the age of Dwapara Yuga."

 

In the above passage Sri Yukteswar has very clearly indicated the following:

"......is NOT CORRECTLY shown in the Hindu almanacs."

"......have been guided by WRONG annotations of certain Sanskrit scholars...."

"And fortunately one NOT TRUE."

"The MISTAKE crept into almanacs for the first time about 700 B.C. during the

reign of Raja Parikshit, just after the completion of the last Descending

Dwapara Yuga."

"According to this WRONG method of calculation,......"

>From the above it is clear that there has been an ERROR, a MISTAKE, a WRONG

method of calculation. He has also gone on to explain WHY and HOW this ERROR,

MISTAKE and WRONG method of calculation came into effect. How do you explain

all this? Was there an "ERROR, MISTAKE and WRONG method of calculation" or

wasn't there?

 

One other point. The footnote at page 237 of Autobiography of a Yogi, was it

written by Swami Yogananda Paramahansa or one of his disciples when the book

was being published? I would tend to think that it is the latter.

 

In the Foreword to the booklet, The Holy Science, Swami Yogananda Paramahansa

seems to endorse his guru's placement of the world in the Yuga Cycle by adding

the following below his name, "249 Dwapara (A.D. 1949)."

 

Also, Sri Yukteswar in the last paragraph of the Introduction in the booklet,

The Holy Science, writes:

 

"Now, in this 194th year of Dwapara Yuga, the dark age of Kali having long

passed away, the world is reaching out for spiritual knowledge, and men require

loving help one from the other. The publishing of this book, requested from me

by my holy Param-Guru Maharaj, will, I hope, be of spiritual service.

 

Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri

 

Serampore, West Bengal

The 26th Falgun, 194 Dwapara

(A.D. 1894.)"

 

>From the above it seems that Sri Yukteswar is of the firm opinion that we are

now in Dwapara Yuga and NOT Kali Yuga, as 99.9% of people today believe. Are

we in Dwapara Yuga or are we in Kali Yuga? Which is it? It can't be both.

 

On pages iii to vi of the booklet, The Holy Science, Sri Yukteswar writes:

 

"The object of this book is to point out the harmony underlying the various

religions, and to help in binding them together. This task is indeed a

herculean one, but at Allahabad the sacred Praya tirtha, the place of

confluence of the Ganges, Jumna, and Saraswati rivers, is a site for the

congregation of worldly men and of spiritual devotees at the time of Kumbha

Mela. Worldly men cannot transcend the mundane limit in which they have

confined themselves: nor can spiritual devotees, having once renounced the

world, deign to come down and mix themselves in its turmoil. Yet men who are

wholly engrossed in earthly concerns stand in definite need of help and

guidance from those holy beings who bring light to the race. So a place there

must be where union between the two sets is possible. Thirtha affords cuha

meeting place. Situated as it in the beach of the world, storms and buffets

touch it not; the sadhus with a message for the benefit of humanity find a

Kumbha Mela to be an ideal place to impart instruction to those who can heed

it.

 

A message of such a nature I was chosen to propagate when I paid a visit to the

Kumbha Mela being held at Allahabad in January, 1894. As I was walking along

the bank of the Ganges, I was summoned by a man and was afterwrds honoured by

an interview with a great holy person, Babaji, the gurudeva of my own guru

Lahiri Mahasaya of Banaras. This holy personage at the Kumbha Mela was thus my

own Param-Gurujui-Maharaj, though this was our first meeting. During my

conversation with Babaji, we spoke of the particular class of men who now

frequent these places of pilgrimage. I humbly suggested that there were men

greater by far in intelligence than most of those then present, men living in

distant parts of the world - Europe and America - professing different creeds,

and ignorant of the real significance of the Kumbha Mela. They were men fit to

hold communion with the spiritual devotees, so far as their intelligence is

concerned; yet such intellectual men in foreign lands were, alas, wedded in

many cases to rank materialism. Some of them, though famous for their

investigations in the realms of science and philosophy, do not recognise the

essential unity in religion. The professed creeds serve as nearly

insurmountable barriers that threaten to separate mankind for ever.

 

My Param-Guruji-Maharaj, Babaji, smiled and, honouring me with the title of

Swami, imposed on me the task of this book. I was chosen, I do not know the

reason why, to remove the barrier and to help in establishing the basic truth

in all religions."

 

>From the above it is clear that Sri Yukteswar was tasked to write The Holy

Science by the most venerable Mahavatar Babaji himself.

 

Before I close, I wish to reiterate that I am not a scholar. I am not an

authority on this subject. I only know what I read on this subject.

 

Yours respectfully, In humility

 

Vaidun Vidyadhar

Tamworth, NSW

Australia

Email: vvidya (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au

 

 

valist [valist] On Behalf Of Dr.

Gurudatta DashSaturday, 20 August 2005 20:21To:

valistSubject: Re: On Sri YUKTESWARS OPINION ON

MAHABHARATA and Kali Yuga

 

Dear sri Vidyadhara,

 

You had written in one of your previous letters relating to our discussion on

the beginning of present Kali Yuga and in that connection to Mahabharata War

referring to Sri Yukteswara Giri, the Great Master of kriya yoga.

 

 

 

“At that time (700 BC) Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing the appearance of

the dark Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson, the said Raja

Parikshit. Maharaja Yudhisthira, together with all the wise men of his court,

retired to the Himalaya Mountains, the paradise of the world.".

 

It would appear the Mahabharata War would have taken place sometime between 700 to 800 BC.

 

 

With great respect to you I am constrained to say that no where Sri Yukteswara

Giri had said that Mahabharata war or Kali Yuga had started in 700 or near 700

BC.

After searching considerably in the literature of YOGADA SATSANG , and after

querying many of his disciples who has deep knowledge about him and his work ,I

came across no such date which the Great yogi had recommended for the said

beginning of Yuga.

Even the lines you have quoted 700 BC is written in bracket and so Sri

Yukteswara was of opinion that Yudhistira lived in 700 BC does not seem true .

 

However it is very clear from the statement that Yudhistira lived very near the

coming Kali Yuga. If we refer to the equinoctial cycle as spoken by Sri

Yukteswara ( as diff from the Universal cycle derived traditionally –

please see below) of 24000 years consisting of a ascending and descending arc

of 12000 years each , as per his calculation 500 yr AD is taken as the

beginning of Kali Yuga of this ascending arc which ended in 1700 AD and now we

are in Dwapara of the ascending arc. So 700 BC or 800 BC if you calculate

correctly would be no where near ascending or descending Kali.

 

Now while describing his calculation of the 4 YUGAS he does not ignore or speaks

the traditional calculation as inappropriate. The two calculations are for

different purposes and not contrary to each other as some of has understood.

They are differentiated by two different terms Equinoctial cycle and Universal

cycle by the great yogi and his disciple Sri Yogananda Paramahamsa as would be

clear from the following passage from the AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF YOGI of Paramahansa

Yogananda.

 

"The start of the materialistic ages, according to Hindu scriptural reckoning,

was 3102 BC. This year was the beginning of the last Descending Dwapara Yuga of

the 12,000 –year " Equinoctial cycle" , and also the start of Kali Yuga

of the Vast "Universal cycle."

 

~The science of

Kriyaa yoga- page 237.

 

 

In this connection I would refer you to the Chapter entitled “Outwitting

the stars”- Page 166, 167 and other passages of Autobiography of a yogi,

regarding this and the Bhagabad Gita, date of Adi Sankara, probable date of

Vedic period and such alike things where the opinion of the Great Masters are

very apparent if not very direct.

 

 

 

 

SEERs, or Yogis or Great Souls of his caliber seldom even if Trikaalagyan

declare historical dates publicly or they would have written the history.

Neither he nor any of the great souls of the present era is known for his

expression of historical dates or similar things, even during discussion they

may refer to certain things. Their mind is inseparable from the Universal Mind

and so they interfere not in the play of God or the Basic laws of nature that

confuses the present generation about the past and which we mortals must toil

hard with our earthy intelligence and evidenve finding to rediscover . Their

indeed lies the experience that would give human civilization the next leap for

its evolution .

 

We must be very very careful while assigning opinion to these great Masters

esp. in a controversial topics like this , who like the Maharshis of the past

are said to be of direct and unfailing vision . and all Seers of the present

Era are in tune and inseparable from the Seers from the past , for, in the

point they all stand there exist no time or no space.

 

With regards

 

Gurudatta Dash

Dear sri Vidyadhara

 

I gratefully acknowledge the information you have given me. I have studied the

Holy Book 2 Years back , and then these things were not in mind .H owever as I

am away from home land and the book is not with me currently , I would make

another study in reference to the matter referred by you.

 

As per your suspicion regarding the foot- notes in the autobiography of Yogi, I

have learned from reliable sources that there are two types of foot notes ;

one by Sri Yogananda himself and another by others, the latter is specified as

‘ Publisher s note’ to differentiate it from that of the original writer. That

is also evident from the fact that in the entire foot note which are not marked

by , “publishes’ note” , Yogananda is referred to as first person by the term

“I” . For example in page 345 footnotes : “Sri Yukteswara and I ordinarily

conversed in English”.

So that the doubt footnotes referred in my earlier letter is not written by Sri

Yogananda is unfounded.

 

However the term ‘equinoctial’ also occurs in the main text of the book.

 

In page 166 he says, “ Sri Yukteswara discovered the mathematical application of

a 24,000 year equinoctial cycle to our present age. The cycle is divided in to

an ascending arc and a descending arc each of 12,000 years….”

 

Clarifying the matter in the foot notes he specifically writes, “the Hindu

scriptures place the present world-age as occurring in the Kali yuga of much

longer universal cycle than the simple 24,000 –year equinoctial cycle with

which Sri Yukteswara was concerned. The universal cycle of the scriptures is

4,300,560,000 years in extent. And measure out a Day of Creation or the length

of life assigned to our planetary system in its present form. The Vast figure

given by Rishis is based on a relationship between the length of the solar year

and a multiple of pi (3.1416 , the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of

a circle).

The life span for a whole universe, according to the ancient seers is

314.159,000,000,000 solar years. “Or one Age of Brahma”.

 

To brush aside all theses as “Written by some other disciple” is indeed too superfluous.

 

Also another thing can be pointed out. The equinoctial cycle referred by Sri

Yukteswara has a ascending or descending arc , where as the traditional

universal cycle has no such arc and goes in a usual way. Even if accepting that

there is an error in calculation of the beginning of the Kali Year, there is no

way where you can compare the traditional cycles with the cycles mentioned by

the revered Yogi unless you hold that entire thing as is held in the scriptures

are insignificant and meaningless.

 

However I would make future observations only after a deep analysis of the Holy

Book and other works of both. I just told you my points for your kind

information. Also the facts pointed out by you quoting from the book could not

be also uncared for.

 

However that the Kali of Universal cycle and Dwapara of Equinoctial cycle can

not coexist is not true as the two seems to refer to two separate and different

types of world –structure and deal with different things altogether.

I would be immensely grateful to you if you would kindly inform me of the following.

 

1) What are the books authored by Sri Yukteswara directly other than Holy

Book?

2) The holy book is originally written in English or Bengali.

3) And where I could read the original hand written manuscript of the holy

book and other books written by Sri Yukteswara Maharaj..

 

 

Also I may here note that the Holy Book is primarily a book on the principles

and application of Dharma and to mitigate the differences, and not a book on

history .( but I hold in great reverence to every word of it).

 

 

Thanks for the information provided by you

 

With regards

 

Gurudatta Dash

 

 

 

 

-

Vaidun Vidyadhar

valist

Sunday, August 21, 2005 6:27 AM

RE: On Sri YUKTESWARS OPINION ON MAHABHARATA and Kali Yuga

Dear Dr. Gurudatta Dash,

 

Thank you for your email below.

 

May I respectfully ask, have you read (or have in your possession) the small

booklet entitled "The Holy Science" written by "Gnanavatar Swami Sri Yukteswar

Giri", published by the Yogoda Satsanga Society of India in 1963? I have it

here with me. From what you have written below, it appears you don't. I had

typed extracts from this book and attached it to my post of 14 Aug. If you

want I can send it again?

 

>From what Sri Yukteswar has written it doesn't appear that he was talking about

a "Equinoctial cycle" , or a "Universal cycle." as shown at the footnote on

page 237 of Autobiography of a Yogi. On the other hand, on page xvii of this

booklet he categorically states:

 

"The position of the world in the Dwapara Sandhi era at present (A.D. 1894) is

not correctly shown in the Hindu almanacs. The astronomers and astrologers who

calculate the almanacs have been guided by wrong annotations of certain Sanskrit

scholars (such as Kulluka Bhatta) of the dark age of Kali Yuga, and now maintain

that the length of Kali Yuga is 432,000 years of which 4994 have (in A.D. 1894)

passed away, leaving 427,006 years still remaining. A dark prospect! And

fortunately one not true. The mistake crept into almanacs for the first time

about 700 B.C. during the reign of Raja Parikshit, just after the completion of

the last Descending Dwapara Yuga. At that time Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing

the appearance of the dark Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson, the

said Raja Parikshit. Maharaja Yudhisthira, together with all the wise men of

his court, retired to the Himalaya Mountains, the paradise of the world. Thus

there was none in the court of Raja Parikshit who could understand the

principle of correctly calculating the ages of the several yugas. Hence, after

the completion of the 2400 years of the then current Dwapara Yuga, no one dared

to make the introduction of the dark Kali Yuga more manifest by beginning to

calculate from its first year and to put an end to the number of Dwapara years.

According to this wrong method of calculation, therefore, the first year of

Kali Yuga was numbered 2401 along with the age of Dwapara Yuga."

 

In the above passage Sri Yukteswar has very clearly indicated the following:

"......is NOT CORRECTLY shown in the Hindu almanacs."

"......have been guided by WRONG annotations of certain Sanskrit scholars...."

"And fortunately one NOT TRUE."

"The MISTAKE crept into almanacs for the first time about 700 B.C. during the

reign of Raja Parikshit, just after the completion of the last Descending

Dwapara Yuga."

"According to this WRONG method of calculation,......"

>From the above it is clear that there has been an ERROR, a MISTAKE, a WRONG

method of calculation. He has also gone on to explain WHY and HOW this ERROR,

MISTAKE and WRONG method of calculation came into effect. How do you explain

all this? Was there an "ERROR, MISTAKE and WRONG method of calculation" or

wasn't there?

 

One other point. The footnote at page 237 of Autobiography of a Yogi, was it

written by Swami Yogananda Paramahansa or one of his disciples when the book

was being published? I would tend to think that it is the latter.

 

In the Foreword to the booklet, The Holy Science, Swami Yogananda Paramahansa

seems to endorse his guru's placement of the world in the Yuga Cycle by adding

the following below his name, "249 Dwapara (A.D. 1949)."

 

Also, Sri Yukteswar in the last paragraph of the Introduction in the booklet,

The Holy Science, writes:

 

"Now, in this 194th year of Dwapara Yuga, the dark age of Kali having long

passed away, the world is reaching out for spiritual knowledge, and men require

loving help one from the other. The publishing of this book, requested from me

by my holy Param-Guru Maharaj, will, I hope, be of spiritual service.

 

Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri

 

Serampore, West Bengal

The 26th Falgun, 194 Dwapara

(A.D. 1894.)"

 

>From the above it seems that Sri Yukteswar is of the firm opinion that we are

now in Dwapara Yuga and NOT Kali Yuga, as 99.9% of people today believe. Are

we in Dwapara Yuga or are we in Kali Yuga? Which is it? It can't be both.

 

On pages iii to vi of the booklet, The Holy Science, Sri Yukteswar writes:

 

"The object of this book is to point out the harmony underlying the various

religions, and to help in binding them together. This task is indeed a

herculean one, but at Allahabad the sacred Praya tirtha, the place of

confluence of the Ganges, Jumna, and Saraswati rivers, is a site for the

congregation of worldly men and of spiritual devotees at the time of Kumbha

Mela. Worldly men cannot transcend the mundane limit in which they have

confined themselves: nor can spiritual devotees, having once renounced the

world, deign to come down and mix themselves in its turmoil. Yet men who are

wholly engrossed in earthly concerns stand in definite need of help and

guidance from those holy beings who bring light to the race. So a place there

must be where union between the two sets is possible. Thirtha affords cuha

meeting place. Situated as it in the beach of the world, storms and buffets

touch it not; the sadhus with a message for the benefit of humanity find a

Kumbha Mela to be an ideal place to impart instruction to those who can heed

it.

 

A message of such a nature I was chosen to propagate when I paid a visit to the

Kumbha Mela being held at Allahabad in January, 1894. As I was walking along

the bank of the Ganges, I was summoned by a man and was afterwrds honoured by

an interview with a great holy person, Babaji, the gurudeva of my own guru

Lahiri Mahasaya of Banaras. This holy personage at the Kumbha Mela was thus my

own Param-Gurujui-Maharaj, though this was our first meeting. During my

conversation with Babaji, we spoke of the particular class of men who now

frequent these places of pilgrimage. I humbly suggested that there were men

greater by far in intelligence than most of those then present, men living in

distant parts of the world - Europe and America - professing different creeds,

and ignorant of the real significance of the Kumbha Mela. They were men fit to

hold communion with the spiritual devotees, so far as their intelligence is

concerned; yet such intellectual men in foreign lands were, alas, wedded in

many cases to rank materialism. Some of them, though famous for their

investigations in the realms of science and philosophy, do not recognise the

essential unity in religion. The professed creeds serve as nearly

insurmountable barriers that threaten to separate mankind for ever.

 

My Param-Guruji-Maharaj, Babaji, smiled and, honouring me with the title of

Swami, imposed on me the task of this book. I was chosen, I do not know the

reason why, to remove the barrier and to help in establishing the basic truth

in all religions."

 

>From the above it is clear that Sri Yukteswar was tasked to write The Holy

Science by the most venerable Mahavatar Babaji himself.

 

Before I close, I wish to reiterate that I am not a scholar. I am not an

authority on this subject. I only know what I read on this subject.

 

Yours respectfully, In humility

 

Vaidun Vidyadhar

Tamworth, NSW

Australia

Email: vvidya (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au

 

 

valist [valist] On Behalf Of Dr.

Gurudatta DashSaturday, 20 August 2005 20:21To:

valistSubject: Re: On Sri YUKTESWARS OPINION ON

MAHABHARATA and Kali Yuga

 

Dear sri Vidyadhara,

 

You had written in one of your previous letters relating to our discussion on

the beginning of present Kali Yuga and in that connection to Mahabharata War

referring to Sri Yukteswara Giri, the Great Master of kriya yoga.

 

 

 

“At that time (700 BC) Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing the appearance of the dark

Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson, the said Raja Parikshit.

Maharaja Yudhisthira, together with all the wise men of his court, retired to

the Himalaya Mountains, the paradise of the world.".

 

It would appear the Mahabharata War would have taken place sometime between 700 to 800 BC.

 

 

With great respect to you I am constrained to say that no where Sri Yukteswara

Giri had said that Mahabharata war or Kali Yuga had started in 700 or near 700

BC.

After searching considerably in the literature of YOGADA SATSANG , and after

querying many of his disciples who has deep knowledge about him and his work ,I

came across no such date which the Great yogi had recommended for the said

beginning of Yuga.

Even the lines you have quoted 700 BC is written in bracket and so Sri

Yukteswara was of opinion that Yudhistira lived in 700 BC does not seem true .

 

However it is very clear from the statement that Yudhistira lived very near the

coming Kali Yuga. If we refer to the equinoctial cycle as spoken by Sri

Yukteswara ( as diff from the Universal cycle derived traditionally – please

see below) of 24000 years consisting of a ascending and descending arc of 12000

years each , as per his calculation 500 yr AD is taken as the beginning of Kali

Yuga of this ascending arc which ended in 1700 AD and now we are in Dwapara of

the ascending arc. So 700 BC or 800 BC if you calculate correctly would be no

where near ascending or descending Kali.

 

Now while describing his calculation of the 4 YUGAS he does not ignore or speaks

the traditional calculation as inappropriate. The two calculations are for

different purposes and not contrary to each other as some of has understood.

They are differentiated by two different terms Equinoctial cycle and Universal

cycle by the great yogi and his disciple Sri Yogananda Paramahamsa as would be

clear from the following passage from the AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF YOGI of Paramahansa

Yogananda.

 

"The start of the materialistic ages, according to Hindu scriptural reckoning,

was 3102 BC. This year was the beginning of the last Descending Dwapara Yuga of

the 12,000 –year " Equinoctial cycle" , and also the start of Kali Yuga of the

Vast "Universal cycle."

 

~The science of

Kriyaa yoga- page 237.

 

 

In this connection I would refer you to the Chapter entitled “Outwitting the

stars”- Page 166, 167 and other passages of Autobiography of a yogi, regarding

this and the Bhagabad Gita, date of Adi Sankara, probable date of Vedic period

and such alike things where the opinion of the Great Masters are very apparent

if not very direct.

 

 

 

 

SEERs, or Yogis or Great Souls of his caliber seldom even if Trikaalagyan

declare historical dates publicly or they would have written the history.

Neither he nor any of the great souls of the present era is known for his

expression of historical dates or similar things, even during discussion they

may refer to certain things. Their mind is inseparable from the Universal Mind

and so they interfere not in the play of God or the Basic laws of nature that

confuses the present generation about the past and which we mortals must toil

hard with our earthy intelligence and evidenve finding to rediscover . Their

indeed lies the experience that would give human civilization the next leap for

its evolution .

 

We must be very very careful while assigning opinion to these great Masters

esp. in a controversial topics like this , who like the Maharshis of the past

are said to be of direct and unfailing vision . and all Seers of the present

Era are in tune and inseparable from the Seers from the past , for, in the

point they all stand there exist no time or no space.

 

With regards

 

Gurudatta Dash

Dear Dr Dash,

 

Thank you for your email below.

 

You had asked:

 

1) What are the books authored by Sri Yukteswara directly other than Holy

Book?

2) The holy book is originally written in English or Bengali.

3) And where I could read the original hand written manuscript of the holy

book and other books written by Sri Yukteswara Maharaj..

 

1. When I joined YSS in 1969 I had bought a set of all their books, one of

which was the one written by Sri Yukteswar entitled The Holy Science. I don't

know if he had authored any other book

 

2. I don't know whether the original of The Holy Science was written in

English or Bengali. YSS HQ at Ranchi may be knowing.

 

3. Regarding original hand written manuscript of The Holy Science, once again

YSS HQ at Ranchi may be knowing.

 

Sorry, I am afraid I have not been able to provide the answers you are looking for.

 

Thank you for the detailed explanations you have provided. I will think over

these for the next few days.

 

If,

 

"the Kali of Universal cycle and Dwapara of Equinoctial cycle can not coexist is

not true as the two seems to refer to two separate and different types of world

–structure and deal with different things altogether."

 

what "Error, Mistake or Wrong method of calculation" was Sri Yukteswar referring

to in his book? Apparently, there was no "Error, Mistake or Wrong method of

calculation", to start with. Then why did he convey the unmistakable

impression that because of such an "Error, Mistake or Wrong method of

calculation" the world is now in the midst of Dwapara Yuga and NOT Kali Yuga.

Please read this paragraph below taken from his book:

 

"With the commencement of the Ascending Kali Yuga, after A.D. 499, the sun began

to advance in its orbit nearer to the grand centre, and accordingly the

intellectual power of man started to develop. Therefore the mistake in the

almanacs began to be noticed by the wise men of the time, who found that the

calculations of the ancient rishis had fixed the period of one Kali Yuga at

1200 years only. But as the intellect of these wise men was not yet suitably

developed, they could make out only the mistake itself, and not the reason for

it. By way of reconciliation, they fancied that 1200 years, the real age of

Kali, were not the ordinary years of our earth, but were so many daiva years

(“years of the gods”), consisting of 12 daiva months of 30 daiva

days each, with each daiva day being equal to one ordinary solar year of our

earth."

 

>From the passage above, he has very clearly indicated that there was a

"MISTAKE". What mistake was he talking about? This is something I am not able

to reconcile.

 

May I respectfully enquire as to where you are living now?

 

Thank you. With best regards.

 

Yours respectfully

 

Vaidun Vidyadhar

Tamworth, NSW

Australia

Email: vvidya (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au

 

 

valist [valist] On Behalf Of Dr.

Gurudatta DashMonday, 22 August 2005 18:49To:

valistSubject: Re: On Sri YUKTESWARS OPINION ON

MAHABHARATA and Kali Yuga

Dear sri Vidyadhara

 

I gratefully acknowledge the information you have given me. I have studied the

Holy Book 2 Years back , and then these things were not in mind .H owever as I

am away from home land and the book is not with me currently , I would make

another study in reference to the matter referred by you.

 

As per your suspicion regarding the foot- notes in the autobiography of Yogi, I

have learned from reliable sources that there are two types of foot notes ;

one by Sri Yogananda himself and another by others, the latter is specified as

‘ Publisher s note’ to differentiate it from that of the original

writer. That is also evident from the fact that in the entire foot note which

are not marked by , “publishes’ note” , Yogananda is referred

to as first person by the term “I” . For example in page 345

footnotes : “Sri Yukteswara and I ordinarily conversed in English”.

So that the doubt footnotes referred in my earlier letter is not written by Sri

Yogananda is unfounded.

 

However the term ‘equinoctial’ also occurs in the main text of the book.

 

In page 166 he says, “ Sri Yukteswara discovered the mathematical

application of a 24,000 year equinoctial cycle to our present age. The cycle

is divided in to an ascending arc and a descending arc each of 12,000

years….”

 

Clarifying the matter in the foot notes he specifically writes, “the Hindu

scriptures place the present world-age as occurring in the Kali yuga of much

longer universal cycle than the simple 24,000 –year equinoctial cycle

with which Sri Yukteswara was concerned. The universal cycle of the scriptures

is 4,300,560,000 years in extent. And measure out a Day of Creation or the

length of life assigned to our planetary system in its present form. The Vast

figure given by Rishis is based on a relationship between the length of the

solar year and a multiple of pi (3.1416 , the ratio of the circumference to the

diameter of a circle).

The life span for a whole universe, according to the ancient seers is

314.159,000,000,000 solar years. “Or one Age of Brahma”.

 

To brush aside all theses as “Written by some other disciple” is indeed too superfluous.

 

Also another thing can be pointed out. The equinoctial cycle referred by Sri

Yukteswara has a ascending or descending arc , where as the traditional

universal cycle has no such arc and goes in a usual way. Even if accepting that

there is an error in calculation of the beginning of the Kali Year, there is no

way where you can compare the traditional cycles with the cycles mentioned by

the revered Yogi unless you hold that entire thing as is held in the scriptures

are insignificant and meaningless.

 

However I would make future observations only after a deep analysis of the Holy

Book and other works of both. I just told you my points for your kind

information. Also the facts pointed out by you quoting from the book could not

be also uncared for.

 

However that the Kali of Universal cycle and Dwapara of Equinoctial cycle can

not coexist is not true as the two seems to refer to two separate and different

types of world –structure and deal with different things altogether.

I would be immensely grateful to you if you would kindly inform me of the following.

 

1) What are the books authored by Sri Yukteswara directly other than Holy

Book?

2) The holy book is originally written in English or Bengali.

3) And where I could read the original hand written manuscript of the holy

book and other books written by Sri Yukteswara Maharaj..

 

 

Also I may here note that the Holy Book is primarily a book on the principles

and application of Dharma and to mitigate the differences, and not a book on

history .( but I hold in great reverence to every word of it).

 

 

Thanks for the information provided by you

 

With regards

 

Gurudatta Dash

 

 

 

 

-

Vaidun Vidyadhar

valist

Sunday, August 21, 2005 6:27 AM

RE: On Sri YUKTESWARS OPINION ON MAHABHARATA and Kali Yuga

Dear Dr. Gurudatta Dash,

 

Thank you for your email below.

 

May I respectfully ask, have you read (or have in your possession) the small

booklet entitled "The Holy Science" written by "Gnanavatar Swami Sri Yukteswar

Giri", published by the Yogoda Satsanga Society of India in 1963? I have it

here with me. From what you have written below, it appears you don't. I had

typed extracts from this book and attached it to my post of 14 Aug. If you

want I can send it again?

 

>From what Sri Yukteswar has written it doesn't appear that he was talking about

a "Equinoctial cycle" , or a "Universal cycle." as shown at the footnote on

page 237 of Autobiography of a Yogi. On the other hand, on page xvii of this

booklet he categorically states:

 

"The position of the world in the Dwapara Sandhi era at present (A.D. 1894) is

not correctly shown in the Hindu almanacs. The astronomers and astrologers who

calculate the almanacs have been guided by wrong annotations of certain Sanskrit

scholars (such as Kulluka Bhatta) of the dark age of Kali Yuga, and now maintain

that the length of Kali Yuga is 432,000 years of which 4994 have (in A.D. 1894)

passed away, leaving 427,006 years still remaining. A dark prospect! And

fortunately one not true. The mistake crept into almanacs for the first time

about 700 B.C. during the reign of Raja Parikshit, just after the completion of

the last Descending Dwapara Yuga. At that time Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing

the appearance of the dark Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson, the

said Raja Parikshit. Maharaja Yudhisthira, together with all the wise men of

his court, retired to the Himalaya Mountains, the paradise of the world. Thus

there was none in the court of Raja Parikshit who could understand the

principle of correctly calculating the ages of the several yugas. Hence, after

the completion of the 2400 years of the then current Dwapara Yuga, no one dared

to make the introduction of the dark Kali Yuga more manifest by beginning to

calculate from its first year and to put an end to the number of Dwapara years.

According to this wrong method of calculation, therefore, the first year of

Kali Yuga was numbered 2401 along with the age of Dwapara Yuga."

 

In the above passage Sri Yukteswar has very clearly indicated the following:

"......is NOT CORRECTLY shown in the Hindu almanacs."

"......have been guided by WRONG annotations of certain Sanskrit scholars...."

"And fortunately one NOT TRUE."

"The MISTAKE crept into almanacs for the first time about 700 B.C. during the

reign of Raja Parikshit, just after the completion of the last Descending

Dwapara Yuga."

"According to this WRONG method of calculation,......"

>From the above it is clear that there has been an ERROR, a MISTAKE, a WRONG

method of calculation. He has also gone on to explain WHY and HOW this ERROR,

MISTAKE and WRONG method of calculation came into effect. How do you explain

all this? Was there an "ERROR, MISTAKE and WRONG method of calculation" or

wasn't there?

 

One other point. The footnote at page 237 of Autobiography of a Yogi, was it

written by Swami Yogananda Paramahansa or one of his disciples when the book

was being published? I would tend to think that it is the latter.

 

In the Foreword to the booklet, The Holy Science, Swami Yogananda Paramahansa

seems to endorse his guru's placement of the world in the Yuga Cycle by adding

the following below his name, "249 Dwapara (A.D. 1949)."

 

Also, Sri Yukteswar in the last paragraph of the Introduction in the booklet,

The Holy Science, writes:

 

"Now, in this 194th year of Dwapara Yuga, the dark age of Kali having long

passed away, the world is reaching out for spiritual knowledge, and men require

loving help one from the other. The publishing of this book, requested from me

by my holy Param-Guru Maharaj, will, I hope, be of spiritual service.

 

Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri

 

Serampore, West Bengal

The 26th Falgun, 194 Dwapara

(A.D. 1894.)"

 

>From the above it seems that Sri Yukteswar is of the firm opinion that we are

now in Dwapara Yuga and NOT Kali Yuga, as 99.9% of people today believe. Are

we in Dwapara Yuga or are we in Kali Yuga? Which is it? It can't be both.

 

On pages iii to vi of the booklet, The Holy Science, Sri Yukteswar writes:

 

"The object of this book is to point out the harmony underlying the various

religions, and to help in binding them together. This task is indeed a

herculean one, but at Allahabad the sacred Praya tirtha, the place of

confluence of the Ganges, Jumna, and Saraswati rivers, is a site for the

congregation of worldly men and of spiritual devotees at the time of Kumbha

Mela. Worldly men cannot transcend the mundane limit in which they have

confined themselves: nor can spiritual devotees, having once renounced the

world, deign to come down and mix themselves in its turmoil. Yet men who are

wholly engrossed in earthly concerns stand in definite need of help and

guidance from those holy beings who bring light to the race. So a place there

must be where union between the two sets is possible. Thirtha affords cuha

meeting place. Situated as it in the beach of the world, storms and buffets

touch it not; the sadhus with a message for the benefit of humanity find a

Kumbha Mela to be an ideal place to impart instruction to those who can heed

it.

 

A message of such a nature I was chosen to propagate when I paid a visit to the

Kumbha Mela being held at Allahabad in January, 1894. As I was walking along

the bank of the Ganges, I was summoned by a man and was afterwrds honoured by

an interview with a great holy person, Babaji, the gurudeva of my own guru

Lahiri Mahasaya of Banaras. This holy personage at the Kumbha Mela was thus my

own Param-Gurujui-Maharaj, though this was our first meeting. During my

conversation with Babaji, we spoke of the particular class of men who now

frequent these places of pilgrimage. I humbly suggested that there were men

greater by far in intelligence than most of those then present, men living in

distant parts of the world - Europe and America - professing different creeds,

and ignorant of the real significance of the Kumbha Mela. They were men fit to

hold communion with the spiritual devotees, so far as their intelligence is

concerned; yet such intellectual men in foreign lands were, alas, wedded in

many cases to rank materialism. Some of them, though famous for their

investigations in the realms of science and philosophy, do not recognise the

essential unity in religion. The professed creeds serve as nearly

insurmountable barriers that threaten to separate mankind for ever.

 

My Param-Guruji-Maharaj, Babaji, smiled and, honouring me with the title of

Swami, imposed on me the task of this book. I was chosen, I do not know the

reason why, to remove the barrier and to help in establishing the basic truth

in all religions."

 

>From the above it is clear that Sri Yukteswar was tasked to write The Holy

Science by the most venerable Mahavatar Babaji himself.

 

Before I close, I wish to reiterate that I am not a scholar. I am not an

authority on this subject. I only know what I read on this subject.

 

Yours respectfully, In humility

 

Vaidun Vidyadhar

Tamworth, NSW

Australia

Email: vvidya (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au

 

 

valist [valist] On Behalf Of Dr.

Gurudatta DashSaturday, 20 August 2005 20:21To:

valistSubject: Re: On Sri YUKTESWARS OPINION ON

MAHABHARATA and Kali Yuga

 

Dear sri Vidyadhara,

 

You had written in one of your previous letters relating to our discussion on

the beginning of present Kali Yuga and in that connection to Mahabharata War

referring to Sri Yukteswara Giri, the Great Master of kriya yoga.

 

 

 

“At that time (700 BC) Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing the appearance of

the dark Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson, the said Raja

Parikshit. Maharaja Yudhisthira, together with all the wise men of his court,

retired to the Himalaya Mountains, the paradise of the world.".

 

It would appear the Mahabharata War would have taken place sometime between 700 to 800 BC.

 

 

With great respect to you I am constrained to say that no where Sri Yukteswara

Giri had said that Mahabharata war or Kali Yuga had started in 700 or near 700

BC.

After searching considerably in the literature of YOGADA SATSANG , and after

querying many of his disciples who has deep knowledge about him and his work ,I

came across no such date which the Great yogi had recommended for the said

beginning of Yuga.

Even the lines you have quoted 700 BC is written in bracket and so Sri

Yukteswara was of opinion that Yudhistira lived in 700 BC does not seem true .

 

However it is very clear from the statement that Yudhistira lived very near the

coming Kali Yuga. If we refer to the equinoctial cycle as spoken by Sri

Yukteswara ( as diff from the Universal cycle derived traditionally –

please see below) of 24000 years consisting of a ascending and descending arc

of 12000 years each , as per his calculation 500 yr AD is taken as the

beginning of Kali Yuga of this ascending arc which ended in 1700 AD and now we

are in Dwapara of the ascending arc. So 700 BC or 800 BC if you calculate

correctly would be no where near ascending or descending Kali.

 

Now while describing his calculation of the 4 YUGAS he does not ignore or speaks

the traditional calculation as inappropriate. The two calculations are for

different purposes and not contrary to each other as some of has understood.

They are differentiated by two different terms Equinoctial cycle and Universal

cycle by the great yogi and his disciple Sri Yogananda Paramahamsa as would be

clear from the following passage from the AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF YOGI of Paramahansa

Yogananda.

 

"The start of the materialistic ages, according to Hindu scriptural reckoning,

was 3102 BC. This year was the beginning of the last Descending Dwapara Yuga of

the 12,000 –year " Equinoctial cycle" , and also the start of Kali Yuga

of the Vast "Universal cycle."

 

~The science of

Kriyaa yoga- page 237.

 

 

In this connection I would refer you to the Chapter entitled “Outwitting

the stars”- Page 166, 167 and other passages of Autobiography of a yogi,

regarding this and the Bhagabad Gita, date of Adi Sankara, probable date of

Vedic period and such alike things where the opinion of the Great Masters are

very apparent if not very direct.

 

 

 

 

SEERs, or Yogis or Great Souls of his caliber seldom even if Trikaalagyan

declare historical dates publicly or they would have written the history.

Neither he nor any of the great souls of the present era is known for his

expression of historical dates or similar things, even during discussion they

may refer to certain things. Their mind is inseparable from the Universal Mind

and so they interfere not in the play of God or the Basic laws of nature that

confuses the present generation about the past and which we mortals must toil

hard with our earthy intelligence and evidenve finding to rediscover . Their

indeed lies the experience that would give human civilization the next leap for

its evolution .

 

We must be very very careful while assigning opinion to these great Masters

esp. in a controversial topics like this , who like the Maharshis of the past

are said to be of direct and unfailing vision . and all Seers of the present

Era are in tune and inseparable from the Seers from the past , for, in the

point they all stand there exist no time or no space.

 

With regards

 

Gurudatta Dash

Dr. Gurudatta Dash

wrote:

 

 

1)

What are the books authored by Sri Yukteswara directly

other than Holy Book?

Dear Dr. Dash and Vaidun,

Apparently, Swami Yukteswar has written a commentary on the first six chapters on the Bhagavad Gita.

http://www.angelfire.com/yt/Yukteswar/index.html

Your mention of books by Sri Yukteswara brought back a recollection

of an incident that happened to me about 10 years ago.

A friend of mine was initiated into Kriya by a Swami from India (I won't mention

his name here because of the controversy involved) about 15 years ago.

This swami had association with one of Swami Yukteswara's chief disciples, Swami

Satyananda, for 20 years.

He told my friend that he had purchased an entire collection of books

from the family of Lahiri Mahashya.

In the collection of books was an unpublished manuscript of astrology

authored by Swami Yukteswara.

After hearing about this from my friend many years ago, I called the Swami's

home and begged him to publish the manuscript and even offered to help in any

way I could. I mentioned that the astrological community would be indebted to

him for this.

He flatly denied having such a manuscript (although I trust my friends

word on this--he would have no reason to make up such a story). He also

said he had no interest in any astrological community and he would certainly

not need my help in publishing any books. We had a rather short and intense

conversation.

My friend had a number private conversations with the Swami and I am now

convinced that such a manuscript does in fact exist.

Best,

Steve

Dear Steven,

 

Thank you for your email below.

 

I visited the website that you referred to. I have an intuitive feeling Sri

Yukteswar's comments on the Yuga cycle is correct. His description of the

develpments that are taking place in the present Dwapara Yuga seems to fit

actual, real time events that are happening in this world. Somehow, the rest

of the world doesn't seem to entertain the same faith and belief.

 

With best wishes.

 

Vaidun Vidyadhar

Tamworth, NSW

Australia

Email: vvidya (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au

valist [valist] On Behalf Of Steven

StuckeyTuesday, 23 August 2005 08:27valistSubject: Re:

On Sri YUKTESWARS OPINION ON MAHABHARATA and Kali Yuga

Dr. Gurudatta Dash wrote:

 

 

1) What are the books authored by Sri Yukteswara directly other than Holy

Book?

Dear Dr. Dash and Vaidun,Apparently, Swami Yukteswar has written a commentary on

the first six chapters on the Bhagavad

Gita.http://www.angelfire.com/yt/Yukteswar/index.htmlYour mention of books by

Sri Yukteswara brought back a recollection of an incident that happened to me

about 10 years ago.A friend of mine was initiated into Kriya by a Swami from

India (I won't mention his name here because of the controversy involved) about

15 years ago. This swami had association with one of Swami Yukteswara's chief

disciples, Swami Satyananda, for 20 years.He told my friend that he had

purchased an entire collection of books from the family of Lahiri Mahashya.In

the collection of books was an unpublished manuscript of astrology authored by

Swami Yukteswara. After hearing about this from my friend many years ago, I

called the Swami's home and begged him to publish the manuscript and even

offered to help in any way I could. I mentioned that the astrological community

would be indebted to him for this.He flatly denied having such a manuscript

(although I trust my friends word on this--he would have no reason to make up

such a story). He also said he had no interest in any astrological community

and he would certainly not need my help in publishing any books. We had a

rather short and intense conversation.My friend had a number private

conversations with the Swami and I am now convinced that such a manuscript does

in fact exist. Best,Steve

Dear Sri Steven

 

I most gratefully acknowledge the valued information you have given me.

In fact many such manuscripts which are very ancient ( this one we are talking

of is not ancient of course) exist in more than one place. However because of

unknown reasons the possessors do not want part with it. What is known to the

public or is published till date is just a tip of the ice- burg. There are

secret texts on naadi principles of Yotish that give astonishingly correct

result. If time permit I would share with you some of my interesting

experiences latter.

And also many interesting facts which you would be pleased to hear.

Thanks a lot.

Gurudatta Dash-

Steven Stuckey

valist

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:56 AM

Re: On Sri YUKTESWARS OPINION ON MAHABHARATA and Kali Yuga

Dr. Gurudatta Dash wrote:

 

 

1) What are the books authored by Sri Yukteswara directly other than Holy

Book?

Dear Dr. Dash and Vaidun,Apparently, Swami Yukteswar has written a commentary on

the first six chapters on the Bhagavad

Gita.http://www.angelfire.com/yt/Yukteswar/index.htmlYour mention of books by

Sri Yukteswara brought back a recollection of an incident that happened to me

about 10 years ago.A friend of mine was initiated into Kriya by a Swami from

India (I won't mention his name here because of the controversy involved) about

15 years ago. This swami had association with one of Swami Yukteswara's chief

disciples, Swami Satyananda, for 20 years.He told my friend that he had

purchased an entire collection of books from the family of Lahiri Mahashya.In

the collection of books was an unpublished manuscript of astrology authored by

Swami Yukteswara. After hearing about this from my friend many years ago, I

called the Swami's home and begged him to publish the manuscript and even

offered to help in any way I could. I mentioned that the astrological community

would be indebted to him for this.He flatly denied having such a manuscript

(although I trust my friends word on this--he would have no reason to make up

such a story). He also said he had no interest in any astrological community

and he would certainly not need my help in publishing any books. We had a

rather short and intense conversation.My friend had a number private

conversations with the Swami and I am now convinced that such a manuscript does

in fact exist. Best,Steve

Vaidun Vidyadhar wrote:

Dear Steven,

 

Thank you for your email below.

 

I visited the website that you referred to. I have an

intuitive feeling Sri Yukteswar's comments on the Yuga cycle is correct.

His description of the develpments that are taking place in the present

Dwapara Yuga seems to fit actual, real time events that are happening in

this world. Somehow, the rest of the world doesn't seem to entertain the

same faith and belief.

 

Dear Vaidun,

It's hard to discount the words of a great master like Swami Yukteswar---but

I am not as certain as you on the matter. We seem to be experiencing some

of the effects of the Kali Yuga at present, and yet it's hard to imagine

that there will be more than 400,000 years left of further degradation.

The Kalki Avatar is supposed to appear at the end of the age of Kali, but

there is no reference to this happening in the Middel Ages.

Is is possible that Yukteswars 24,000 year cycle repeats inself many times

within a particular age?

In the case of the Kali Yuga this would be 432,000 divided by 24,000 equals

18.

Best,

Steve

Dr. Gurudatta Dash wrote:

Dear Sri Steven

 

 

I most gratefully acknowledge the valued

information you have given me.

In fact many such manuscripts which are very ancient ( this one

we are talking of is not ancient of course) exist in more than one place.

However because of unknown reasons the possessors do not want part with

it. What is known to the public or is published till date is just a tip

of the ice- burg. There are secret texts on naadi principles of Yotish that

give astonishingly correct result. If time permit I would share with you

some of my interesting experiences latter.

And also many interesting facts which you would be pleased to

hear.

Thanks a lot.

Dear Dr. Dash,

I believe this, that this is merely the tip of the iceberg. This knowledge

is very powerful, perhaps it is not supposed to get into the hands of the

general public.

..I would be very interested in hearing your stories of the naadis and other

experiences as well.

Best wishes,

Steve

The Kalki Avatar is supposed to appear at the end of the age of Kali, but there

is no reference to this happening in the Middel Ages.

I haven’t been following this thread, so excuse me, but I saw this

statement, and wondered if Sri Caitanya could fit the bill of the “middle

ages Kalki Avatar” ?

Just a thought from one thoughtless generally,

Rick MacQuoid das (AT) goravani (DOT) com

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