Thread: True/Mean Rahu

For judgement purposes is it better to use Mean Rahu OR True Rahu.This is
important since sometimes the number of Dasa years can change,in Narayana dasa,
and sometimes the order of Varga Narayana dasa can change ( besides other
possible changes),because True & Mean Rahu can sometimes be in different
signs---eg: In the second half of this month.
Looking forward to a considered opinion of the Gurus,
Regards,
Fayyaz

There must be one thing that's right & one that's not.
How can both positions,with the two often in different houses, be right at the same time?
regards,
Fayyaz

I'm glad you spared time to give your comments.
Regards,
Fayyaz

Thanks for your reply. You've been of help.
I tend to agree with your views.
Best regards,
Fayyaz

Dear Fayyaz
I use true Rahu .All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and for
all of them we use the true motion .Significant events are often seen when Rahu
or Ketu goes stationary in the chart .There are good jytotishis however who
swear by mean Rahu so you have to see what works for you .The traditional
teaching however is to use true .
Best Wishes
Nicholas
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Subject: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu
Dear List/Gurus, For judgement purposes is it better to use Mean Rahu OR True
Rahu.This is important since sometimes the number of Dasa years can change,in
Narayana dasa, and sometimes the order of Varga Narayana dasa can change (
besides other possible changes),because True & Mean Rahu can sometimes be in
different signs---eg: In the second half of this month. Looking forward to a
considered opinion of the Gurus, Regards, Fayyaz Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya;
Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo unsubscribe, send an email to:
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Yes, I understand that some people really believe in True Nodes, and Andrew
told me that the Mean node is always the best.
Yes, and the nodes are in different houses if I go from one to another.
Thanks,
Chris Hanlon

Dear Chris
Not just believe but predict on that basis .They see where the Rahu Ketu
axis is going stationary and identfy the trouble .Sateesh K Batas is one
pandit/guru who does like that .
Nicholas
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From: "Chris Hanlon" <chrys333@...>
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Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu


> Yes, I understand that some people really believe in True Nodes, and
Andrew
> told me that the Mean node is always the best.
> Yes, and the nodes are in different houses if I go from one to another.
> Thanks,
> Chris Hanlon
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Dear Nicholas,

Thanks, read my mind as I was just about to chime in with that.

Cheers - the Big P.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicholas" <jyotish108@...>
To: <gjlist>
Sent: 07 February 2002 23:20
Subject: Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu


: Dear Chris

: Not just believe but predict on that basis .They see where the Rahu Ketu
: axis is going stationary and identfy the trouble .Sateesh K Batas is one
: pandit/guru who does like that .

: Nicholas

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: ----- Original Message -----
: From: "Chris Hanlon" <chrys333@...>
: To: <gjlist>
: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:13 AM
: Subject: Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu
:
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: > Yes, I understand that some people really believe in True Nodes, and
: Andrew told me that the Mean node is always the best.
: > Yes, and the nodes are in different houses if I go from one to another.

Dear Fayyaz,

There's room for 2 types, although I swear by the True Node - after all,
there are several differing methods of Astrology (KP, SA, Tropical, Vedic)
and they all seem to work for the most part - so 2 sets of Nodes is ok in my
book - I'll just pass on the Mean.

Sateesh.

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Sent: 08 February 2002 01:32
Subject: Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu


: So! What do we do then,My dear chris?
: There must be one thing that's right & one that's not.
: How can both positions,with the two often in different houses, be right at
: the same time?
: regards,
: Fayyaz

Dear Fayyaz
It is good to get this cleared up early .It is easier to ascertain astrological
principles using the actual planetary positions rather than approximated ones .

Best Wishes
Nicholas
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Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu
Dear Nicholas, Thanks for your reply. You've been of help. I tend to agree with
your views. Best regards, Fayyaz Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om
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Best regards,
Fayyaz

Dear List
A couple of points .I'm not familiar that Parasara ever said that the nodes
are always retrograde although this is often stated .I'm also not familiar
with any statement from Parasara that a mean calculation for Rahu should be
used as distinct from the other planets where the actual position is used .
In any case any astrologer should verify the statements of Parasara
..Battopala who was the main commentator on Varahamahira who had access to
all the collections of Kings and lived centuries ago could not get a copy of
BPHS .So it is doubtful if the copies around nowadays are clean
,unadulterated ,complete writings of sage Parasara .
BPHS is a great reference but the current version is historically doubtful
and therefore it cannot be given infallible status .

Best Wishes
Nicholas

Dear Nicholas,

I'm just trying to reconcile your statements re: Rahu. First, you wrote
this in your first email:

"The traditional teaching, however, is to use true [nodes]" .

Then, however, you wrote this:

>Dear List
>A couple of points .I'm not familiar that Parasara ever said that the nodes
>are always retrograde although this is often stated .

So if Parasara is not the traditional teaching you refer to above, then
what is? Or in other words, from whom or what is the traditional teaching
that you accept? Thanks in advance!

Best wishes,
Robert

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Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA
Phone: 541-318-0248
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Dear Robert
My first point was the traditional teaching is to use true nodes the same
as the true position is used for all planets .
My other point is that the traditional teachings should not be seen as
infallible because there is doubt as to the authenticity of the texts .
So if you want to follow the tradition you will use true nodes .
However there is room to manouvre for those who find the tradition does not
accord with their experience .

In the middle of 2000 Ketu went stationary (true nodes) on my natal Saturn
(Virgo Lagna) .I was warned before hand by a prominent Vedic astrologer to
watch out for health problems . I came down with the flu and was flat on my
back for three days .That is about one half of the total time I have been
off work in the last 17 years . It was 3 days of suffering but a lifetime
lesson on the importance of studying the points where Rahu and Ketu go
stationary .

Best Wishes
Nicholas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert A. Koch" <rkoch@...>
To: <gjlist>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu


> Dear Nicholas,
>
> I'm just trying to reconcile your statements re: Rahu. First, you wrote
> this in your first email:
>
> "The traditional teaching, however, is to use true [nodes]" .
>
> Then, however, you wrote this:
>
> >Dear List
> >A couple of points .I'm not familiar that Parasara ever said that the
nodes
> >are always retrograde although this is often stated .
>
> So if Parasara is not the traditional teaching you refer to above, then
> what is? Or in other words, from whom or what is the traditional teaching
> that you accept? Thanks in advance!
>
> Best wishes,
> Robert
>
> =====================================
> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer
> Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA
> Phone: 541-318-0248
> visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail
> rk@.... mailto:rk@... and
> rkoch@... mailto:rkoch@...
>
>
>
>
> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat
> To unsubscribe, send an email to: gjlist-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT) com
> http://www.goravani.com
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om gurave namah---------------------------------------------------------Dear Fayyaz,
You should get a copy of my book on Narayan dasa. So many such things have been
answered in detail with explanation. It is mean rahu. the basic principle of
the nodes for Vedic Astrology is that they should be retrograde always. This
cannot happen with true nodes. In fact true in true nodes is a misnomer.With
best wishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com
----- Original Message ----- From: Fktareen (AT) aol (DOT) com
To: vedi-astrology
Cc: gjlist
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:33 AM
Subject: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu
Dear List/Gurus, For judgement purposes is it better to use Mean Rahu OR True
Rahu.This is important since sometimes the number of Dasa years can change,in
Narayana dasa, and sometimes the order of Varga Narayana dasa can change (
besides other possible changes),because True & Mean Rahu can sometimes be in
different signs---eg: In the second half of this month. Looking forward to a
considered opinion of the Gurus, Regards, Fayyaz Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya;
Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo unsubscribe, send an email to:
gjlist-unsubscribe (AT) egroups (DOT....goravani.comYour use of
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om gurave namah---------------------------------------------------------Dear Nicholas,
Which text are you referring to regarding the tradition of jyotish and using the
true nodes as defined by their calculations? Kindly elucidate.With best
wishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com
----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas
To: gjlist
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu
Dear Fayyaz
I use true Rahu .All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and for
all of them we use the true motion .Significant events are often seen when Rahu
or Ketu goes stationary in the chart .There are good jytotishis however who
swear by mean Rahu so you have to see what works for you .The traditional
teaching however is to use true .
Best Wishes
Nicholas
----- Original Message -----
From: Fktareen (AT) aol (DOT) com
To: vedi-astrology
Cc: gjlist
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:03 AM
Subject: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu
Dear List/Gurus, For judgement purposes is it better to use Mean Rahu OR True
Rahu.This is important since sometimes the number of Dasa years can change,in
Narayana dasa, and sometimes the order of Varga Narayana dasa can change (
besides other possible changes),because True & Mean Rahu can sometimes be in
different signs---eg: In the second half of this month. Looking forward to a
considered opinion of the Gurus, Regards, Fayyaz Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya;
Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo unsubscribe, send an email to:
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Dear Sanjay
I am talking about the South Indian tradition which is the more intact Vedic
tradition since South India was not conquered by the Muslims and thus until
recently it was rare to find foreign elements such as Tajaka being used there .
I really do not want to keep discussing this issue . Using true nodes and
watching the points where they go stationary leads to the easiest predicting in
jyotish. These retro studies in which so many charts are supposed to fit better
using mean nodes tell us nothing in terms of prediction .
To each their own
Nicholas
----- Original Message -----
From: Sanjay Rath
To: gjlist
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu
om gurave namah---------------------------------------------------------Dear Nicholas,
Which text are you referring to regarding the tradition of jyotish and using the
true nodes as defined by their calculations? Kindly elucidate.With best
wishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com
----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas
To: gjlist
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu
Dear Fayyaz
I use true Rahu .All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and for
all of them we use the true motion .Significant events are often seen when Rahu
or Ketu goes stationary in the chart .There are good jytotishis however who
swear by mean Rahu so you have to see what works for you .The traditional
teaching however is to use true .
Best Wishes
Nicholas
----- Original Message -----
From: Fktareen (AT) aol (DOT) com
To: vedi-astrology
Cc: gjlist
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:03 AM
Subject: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu
Dear List/Gurus, For judgement purposes is it better to use Mean Rahu OR True
Rahu.This is important since sometimes the number of Dasa years can change,in
Narayana dasa, and sometimes the order of Varga Narayana dasa can change (
besides other possible changes),because True & Mean Rahu can sometimes be in
different signs---eg: In the second half of this month. Looking forward to a
considered opinion of the Gurus, Regards, Fayyaz Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya;
Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo unsubscribe, send an email to:
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