True/Mean Rahu

Cc: gjlist

Friday, February 08, 2002 9:03 AM

[GJ] True/Mean Rahu

Dear List/Gurus, For judgement purposes is it better to use Mean Rahu OR True

Rahu.This is important since sometimes the number of Dasa years can change,in

Narayana dasa, and sometimes the order of Varga Narayana dasa can change (

besides other possible changes),because True & Mean Rahu can sometimes be in

different signs---eg: In the second half of this month. Looking forward to a

considered opinion of the Gurus, Regards, Fayyaz Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya;

Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

is subject to the

February 7, 2002

Yes, I understand that some people really believe in True Nodes, and Andrew

told me that the Mean node is always the best.

Yes, and the nodes are in different houses if I go from one to another.

Thanks,

Chris Hanlon

February 7, 2002

Dear Chris

Not just believe but predict on that basis .They see where the Rahu Ketu

axis is going stationary and identfy the trouble .Sateesh K Batas is one

pandit/guru who does like that .

Nicholas

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"Chris Hanlon" <chrys333

Friday, February 08, 2002 10:13 AM

Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu

> Yes, I understand that some people really believe in True Nodes, and

Andrew

> told me that the Mean node is always the best.

> Yes, and the nodes are in different houses if I go from one to another.

> Thanks,

> Chris Hanlon

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

February 7, 2002

Dear Nicholas,

Thanks, read my mind as I was just about to chime in with that.

Cheers - the Big P.

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"Nicholas" <jyotish108

07 February 2002 23:20

Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu

: Dear Chris

: Not just believe but predict on that basis .They see where the Rahu Ketu

: axis is going stationary and identfy the trouble .Sateesh K Batas is one

: pandit/guru who does like that .

: Nicholas

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: -

: "Chris Hanlon" <chrys333

: <gjlist>

: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:13 AM

: Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu

:

: > Yes, I understand that some people really believe in True Nodes, and

: Andrew told me that the Mean node is always the best.

: > Yes, and the nodes are in different houses if I go from one to another.

February 7, 2002

Dear Fayyaz,

There's room for 2 types, although I swear by the True Node - after all,

there are several differing methods of Astrology (KP, SA, Tropical, Vedic)

and they all seem to work for the most part - so 2 sets of Nodes is ok in my

book - I'll just pass on the Mean.

Sateesh.

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<Fktareen

Cc: "Chris Hanlon" <chrys333

08 February 2002 01:32

Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu

: So! What do we do then,My dear chris?

: There must be one thing that's right & one that's not.

: How can both positions,with the two often in different houses, be right at

: the same time?

: regards,

: Fayyaz

February 7, 2002

Dear Fayyaz

It is good to get this cleared up early .It is easier to ascertain astrological

principles using the actual planetary positions rather than approximated ones .

Best Wishes

Nicholas

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Cc: Nicholas

Friday, February 08, 2002 1:34 PM

Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu

Dear Nicholas, Thanks for your reply. You've been of help. I tend to agree with

your views. Best regards, Fayyaz Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om

Tat Sat:

- Fktareen (AT) aol (DOT) com

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February 7, 2002

Best regards,

Fayyaz

February 8, 2002

Dear List

A couple of points .I'm not familiar that Parasara ever said that the nodes

are always retrograde although this is often stated .I'm also not familiar

with any statement from Parasara that a mean calculation for Rahu should be

used as distinct from the other planets where the actual position is used .

In any case any astrologer should verify the statements of Parasara

..Battopala who was the main commentator on Varahamahira who had access to

all the collections of Kings and lived centuries ago could not get a copy of

BPHS .So it is doubtful if the copies around nowadays are clean

,unadulterated ,complete writings of sage Parasara .

BPHS is a great reference but the current version is historically doubtful

and therefore it cannot be given infallible status .

Best Wishes

Nicholas

February 8, 2002

Dear Nicholas,

I'm just trying to reconcile your statements re: Rahu. First, you wrote

this in your first email:

"The traditional teaching, however, is to use true [nodes]" .

Then, however, you wrote this:

>Dear List

>A couple of points .I'm not familiar that Parasara ever said that the nodes

>are always retrograde although this is often stated .

So if Parasara is not the traditional teaching you refer to above, then

what is? Or in other words, from whom or what is the traditional teaching

that you accept? Thanks in advance!

Best wishes,

Robert

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk and

rkoch rkoch

February 8, 2002

Dear Robert

My first point was the traditional teaching is to use true nodes the same

as the true position is used for all planets .

My other point is that the traditional teachings should not be seen as

infallible because there is doubt as to the authenticity of the texts .

So if you want to follow the tradition you will use true nodes .

However there is room to manouvre for those who find the tradition does not

accord with their experience .

In the middle of 2000 Ketu went stationary (true nodes) on my natal Saturn

(Virgo Lagna) .I was warned before hand by a prominent Vedic astrologer to

watch out for health problems . I came down with the flu and was flat on my

back for three days .That is about one half of the total time I have been

off work in the last 17 years . It was 3 days of suffering but a lifetime

lesson on the importance of studying the points where Rahu and Ketu go

stationary .

Best Wishes

Nicholas

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"Robert A. Koch" <rkoch

Saturday, February 09, 2002 10:28 AM

Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu

> Dear Nicholas,

>

> I'm just trying to reconcile your statements re: Rahu. First, you wrote

> this in your first email:

>

> "The traditional teaching, however, is to use true [nodes]" .

>

> Then, however, you wrote this:

>

> >Dear List

> >A couple of points .I'm not familiar that Parasara ever said that the

nodes

> >are always retrograde although this is often stated .

>

> So if Parasara is not the traditional teaching you refer to above, then

> what is? Or in other words, from whom or what is the traditional teaching

> that you accept? Thanks in advance!

>

> Best wishes,

> Robert

>

> =====================================

> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA

> Phone: 541-318-0248

> visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

> rk. rk and

> rkoch rkoch

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat

> : gjlist-

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

February 9, 2002

om gurave namah------------------------Dear Fayyaz,

You should get a copy of my book on Narayan dasa. So many such things have been

answered in detail with explanation. It is mean rahu. the basic principle of

the nodes for Vedic Astrology is that they should be retrograde always. This

cannot happen with true nodes. In fact true in true nodes is a misnomer.With

best wishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com

Cc: gjlist

Friday, February 08, 2002 3:33 AM

[GJ] True/Mean Rahu

Dear List/Gurus, For judgement purposes is it better to use Mean Rahu OR True

Rahu.This is important since sometimes the number of Dasa years can change,in

Narayana dasa, and sometimes the order of Varga Narayana dasa can change (

besides other possible changes),because True & Mean Rahu can sometimes be in

different signs---eg: In the second half of this month. Looking forward to a

considered opinion of the Gurus, Regards, Fayyaz Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya;

Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

is subject to the

February 9, 2002

om gurave namah------------------------Dear Nicholas,

Which text are you referring to regarding the tradition of jyotish and using the

true nodes as defined by their calculations? Kindly elucidate.With best

wishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com

- Nicholas

Friday, February 08, 2002 4:29 AM

Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu

Dear Fayyaz

I use true Rahu .All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and for

all of them we use the true motion .Significant events are often seen when Rahu

or Ketu goes stationary in the chart .There are good jytotishis however who

swear by mean Rahu so you have to see what works for you .The traditional

teaching however is to use true .

Best Wishes

Nicholas

-

Cc: gjlist

Friday, February 08, 2002 9:03 AM

[GJ] True/Mean Rahu

Dear List/Gurus, For judgement purposes is it better to use Mean Rahu OR True

Rahu.This is important since sometimes the number of Dasa years can change,in

Narayana dasa, and sometimes the order of Varga Narayana dasa can change (

besides other possible changes),because True & Mean Rahu can sometimes be in

different signs---eg: In the second half of this month. Looking forward to a

considered opinion of the Gurus, Regards, Fayyaz Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya;

Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare

Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

is subject to the

February 9, 2002

Dear Sanjay

I am talking about the South Indian tradition which is the more intact Vedic

tradition since South India was not conquered by the Muslims and thus until

recently it was rare to find foreign elements such as Tajaka being used there .

I really do not want to keep discussing this issue . Using true nodes and

watching the points where they go stationary leads to the easiest predicting in

jyotish. These retro studies in which so many charts are supposed to fit better

using mean nodes tell us nothing in terms of prediction .

To each their own

Nicholas

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Sanjay Rath

Saturday, February 09, 2002 9:35 PM

Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu

om gurave namah------------------------Dear Nicholas,

Which text are you referring to regarding the tradition of jyotish and using the

true nodes as defined by their calculations? Kindly elucidate.With best

wishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com

- Nicholas

Friday, February 08, 2002 4:29 AM

Re: [GJ] True/Mean Rahu

Dear Fayyaz

I use true Rahu .All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and for

all of them we use the true motion .Significant events are often seen when Rahu

or Ketu goes stationary in the chart .There are good jytotishis however who

swear by mean Rahu so you have to see what works for you .The traditional

teaching however is to use true .

Best Wishes

Nicholas

-

Cc: gjlist

Friday, February 08, 2002 9:03 AM

[GJ] True/Mean Rahu

Dear List/Gurus, For judgement purposes is it better to use Mean Rahu OR True

Rahu.This is important since sometimes the number of Dasa years can change,in

Narayana dasa, and sometimes the order of Varga Narayana dasa can change (

besides other possible changes),because True & Mean Rahu can sometimes be in

different signs---eg: In the second half of this month. Looking forward to a

considered opinion of the Gurus, Regards, Fayyaz Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya;

Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare

Krishna; Om Tat Sat:

is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare

Krishna; Om Tat Sat: