Newari Kali, Shakta Blood-Sacrifice

But why was I told that Newari artisans would not make

images of Kali? Do they import Kali murthies from

outside the Newari community?

The gory photos of goat sacrifice were depressing.

Although I still eat some meat (mostly eggs, fish, and

chicken), I was surprised that there isn't a movement

towards bloodless sacrifices in the temples. Are any

of the Newari/ Nepali Hindus vegetarians?

-- Len/ Kalipadma

--- mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha wrote:

> The Newari do of course worship Kali. It is a custom

> to take a chicken

> or goat and go for a family picnic on Saturdays to

> Dakshinkali Temple

> which is 18 kms out of Kathmandu in nice

> surroundings.

> Since we are now alignend lightyears closer to the

> sapta rishi because

> spaceship SS warped near the center of Hinduism have

> Darshan of tantric

> Newari Dakshinkali.

> http://www.catmando.com/images/postcrds/dkshnkli.jpg

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Their craftmanship is excellent, and their murtis legendary.

Nepal is the last country in the world where shakta cult is reigning

supreme, thats why at Dasain (navaratri) you wade through blood on

the streets and in every Household blood offerings are done.

Vegeterain or not at Dasain everybody eats Meat Prasad.

(I knew the hindu warp would not effect all members.)

, Len Rosenberg

<kalipadma108> wrote:

>

> But why was I told that Newari artisans would not make

> images of Kali? Do they import Kali murthies from

> outside the Newari community?

>

> The gory photos of goat sacrifice were depressing.

> Although I still eat some meat (mostly eggs, fish, and

> chicken), I was surprised that there isn't a movement

> towards bloodless sacrifices in the temples. Are any

> of the Newari/ Nepali Hindus vegetarians?

>

> -- Len/ Kalipadma

>

>

> --- mahahradanatha <mahahradanatha> wrote:

>

> > The Newari do of course worship Kali. It is a custom

> > to take a chicken

> > or goat and go for a family picnic on Saturdays to

> > Dakshinkali Temple

> > which is 18 kms out of Kathmandu in nice

> > surroundings.

> > Since we are now alignend lightyears closer to the

> > sapta rishi because

> > spaceship SS warped near the center of Hinduism have

> > Darshan of tantric

> > Newari Dakshinkali.

> > http://www.catmando.com/images/postcrds/dkshnkli.jpg

> >

> >

> http://www.ad.jyu.fi/~jej/photos/travel/asia/nepal/123_32_www.jpg

> >

> >

> http://www.ad.jyu.fi/~jej/photos/travel/asia/nepal/123_24_www.jpg

> >

> >

> http://www.ad.jyu.fi/~jej/photos/travel/asia/nepal/123_28_www.jpg

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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>

, Len Rosenberg

<kalipadma108> wrote:

> [....] Are any of the Newari/Nepali Hindus vegetarians?

The Newari ethnic/linguistic group (Newari is in the Tibeto-Burman

language family) contains a number of castes. And, as the article

on the Kumari indicates, there are both Hindu and Buddhist Newars.

I wouldn't be suprised if some Newars are vegetarian, but I really

don't know.

I think the majority of people in Nepal eat primarily vegetarian

food, at least partly out of economic necessity. However, goat

seems to be fairly common (or popular) at festival times:

Nepal Food Corporation to supply 4000 goats for Dashain

As Dashain, the longest and most popular festival of Nepalis, inches

closer, Kathmandu streets are witnessing huge crowds these days with

people rushing around to finish their shopping for the festival.

Dashain is the festival of worship and sacrifice to goddess Durga.

Hundreds of goats, sheep and buffaloes are sacrificed at various

religious shrines and this is also the time when Nepalis consume a

fair amount of meat. [....]

[edited for brevity]

http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2005/sep/sep30/news05.php

Slightly off topic, the latest (Oct. 2005) issue of _Hinduism Today_

has a feature article on the plight of the lower castes in Nepal;

the article begins with a discussion of caste in Nepal.

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/

, "msbauju" <msbauju> wrote:

> , Len Rosenberg

> <kalipadma108> wrote:

> > [....] Are any of the Newari/Nepali Hindus vegetarians?

>

> The Newari ethnic/linguistic group (Newari is in the Tibeto-Burman

> language family) contains a number of castes. And, as the article

> on the Kumari indicates, there are both Hindu and Buddhist Newars.

> I wouldn't be suprised if some Newars are vegetarian, but I really

> don't know.

Most are vegeterian, but this does prevent nobody from eating meat at

Dasain. I was living with a Brahmin Family in Kathmandu during Dasain

they are Vaishnavas, the lady of the house is a most ardent devotee

of krishna, but that would not prevent her from having 4 goats

offered at Dasain to Durga in our Courtyard and she served the meat

as Prasad which would be rather unusual for an indian Vaishnava.

Nepal Airways does offer a goat and each Airplane has a Bhairav (Head)

painted on it which is smeared with the blood and hairs. Every

workshops tools like hammers saws etc. and vehicles and technical

devices like Bycicles Cars, Carts rikshas motorcycles etc. are

smeared with the blood and Hairs of the sacrificed Goats.

This prevents accidents to happen during the next year.

>

> I think the majority of people in Nepal eat primarily vegetarian

> food, at least partly out of economic necessity.

There are many different Communities and castes with different

customs especially the tibetan Population though buddhist is primarly

meat eating.

However, goat

> seems to be fairly common (or popular) at festival times:

>

> Nepal Food Corporation to supply 4000 goats for Dashain

The actual Number of scrifices must be much bigger because most of

the familys have their own goats which they sacrifice at the festival.

If i rememebr it right 1000 goat are beheaded at the same time at

one offering in the kings courtyard.

Each family that can afford it will sacrifice at least one goat.

>

> As Dashain, the longest and most popular festival of Nepalis,

inches

> closer, Kathmandu streets are witnessing huge crowds these days

with

> people rushing around to finish their shopping for the festival.

>

> Dashain is the festival of worship and sacrifice to goddess Durga.

> Hundreds of goats, sheep and buffaloes are sacrificed at various

One hundred offerd goats would be my estimation for one street not

the town.

I remember walking at midnight in the towncenter during Dasain and

the blood was continually flowing in two big canals or streams at the

left and right of the main populated streets, the whole street was

red and sticky and slippery while i had the impression that i was

surrounded by a thick misty steamy cloud of blood all around and

above,that occluded my sight and seemend to lift my feet up the

ground so that i felt more like i was skating through the streets on

a cloud of blood rather than walking by moving my feet i really can

not say if this mist was physical rising up from the warm blood

diffusing from the ground and rising up in the hot air or if i was

imagining its density because of the twilight and all the fires and

their red glow and the impact of the constant sacrifices on my state

of mind.

my wife once watched a tantric who sacrificed something like 12-14

full grown goats, he cut of the head lifted the goat up and emptied

all the blood that was gushing out of the cut throat of all the

rather big goats into his mouth and drank it all, he drank the blood

of one goat after the other after he emptied one he threw it by his

side and then sacrificed the next.

Does anyone in this group live in Benares?

-

mahahradanatha

Sunday, October 02, 2005 1:30 PM

Re: Newari Kali, Shakta Blood-Sacrifice

, "msbauju" <msbauju> wrote:

> , Len Rosenberg

> <kalipadma108> wrote:

> > [....] Are any of the Newari/Nepali Hindus vegetarians?

>

> The Newari ethnic/linguistic group (Newari is in the Tibeto-Burman

> language family) contains a number of castes. And, as the article

> on the Kumari indicates, there are both Hindu and Buddhist Newars.

> I wouldn't be suprised if some Newars are vegetarian, but I really

> don't know.

Most are vegeterian, but this does prevent nobody from eating meat at

Dasain. I was living with a Brahmin Family in Kathmandu during Dasain

they are Vaishnavas, the lady of the house is a most ardent devotee

of krishna, but that would not prevent her from having 4 goats

offered at Dasain to Durga in our Courtyard and she served the meat

as Prasad which would be rather unusual for an indian Vaishnava.

Nepal Airways does offer a goat and each Airplane has a Bhairav (Head)

painted on it which is smeared with the blood and hairs. Every

workshops tools like hammers saws etc. and vehicles and technical

devices like Bycicles Cars, Carts rikshas motorcycles etc. are

smeared with the blood and Hairs of the sacrificed Goats.

This prevents accidents to happen during the next year.

>

> I think the majority of people in Nepal eat primarily vegetarian

> food, at least partly out of economic necessity.

There are many different Communities and castes with different

customs especially the tibetan Population though buddhist is primarly

meat eating.

However, goat

> seems to be fairly common (or popular) at festival times:

>

> Nepal Food Corporation to supply 4000 goats for Dashain

The actual Number of scrifices must be much bigger because most of

the familys have their own goats which they sacrifice at the festival.

If i rememebr it right 1000 goat are beheaded at the same time at

one offering in the kings courtyard.

Each family that can afford it will sacrifice at least one goat.

>

> As Dashain, the longest and most popular festival of Nepalis,

inches

> closer, Kathmandu streets are witnessing huge crowds these days

with

> people rushing around to finish their shopping for the festival.

>

> Dashain is the festival of worship and sacrifice to goddess Durga.

> Hundreds of goats, sheep and buffaloes are sacrificed at various

One hundred offerd goats would be my estimation for one street not

the town.

I remember walking at midnight in the towncenter during Dasain and

the blood was continually flowing in two big canals or streams at the

left and right of the main populated streets, the whole street was

red and sticky and slippery while i had the impression that i was

surrounded by a thick misty steamy cloud of blood all around and

above,that occluded my sight and seemend to lift my feet up the

ground so that i felt more like i was skating through the streets on

a cloud of blood rather than walking by moving my feet i really can

not say if this mist was physical rising up from the warm blood

diffusing from the ground and rising up in the hot air or if i was

imagining its density because of the twilight and all the fires and

their red glow and the impact of the constant sacrifices on my state

of mind.

my wife once watched a tantric who sacrificed something like 12-14

full grown goats, he cut of the head lifted the goat up and emptied

all the blood that was gushing out of the cut throat of all the

rather big goats into his mouth and drank it all, he drank the blood

of one goat after the other after he emptied one he threw it by his

side and then sacrificed the next.

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