Initiation (?)

On 13 May 1999, Samba das wrote:


>
> I am not so sure he would not want to train them more. He did speak of
going to Gita Nagari to teach them to live off the land. Personaly I feel they
needed to learn a lot more about surrender, as we never actualy got varnasrama
off the ground, and now practicaly no one wants to do it.
>

Yes, Prabhupada said he enjoyed the association of his disciples and wished to
stay with them, but Krsna had other plans. So I guess in that case we can
blame Krsna.

In any event, I find myself disagreeing with the idea 'no one wants to do it.'
I'd propose that many devotees are beginning to realize that becoming KC or
establishing Vedic culture in general is a bit more involving that becoming a
KC cheerleader.




> > The guru has not potency beyond that.
>
> By Krsna's mercy you get guru.



And the instructions of the guru come in many forms, as experienced by
Bivamangala Thakur and that king M. Gosh mentioned from the 11th canto.

In other words, the influence of the guru isn't limited to his physical
presence, as the folks on that india conference are so fond of saying.

ys,

Sthita