Desires are important part of creation and continuance of the
Universe.

Desires brought us from dead matter to plants and to animals and
finally to human being. Hence we can not blame desires for our
Bandhan/chains.

Had we not have desired, we would have been lying as dead matter
somewhere in the universe.

But the same desire is keeping us busy in the universe too.
One
Desire, if fulfilled, gives birth to dozen other desires. It is like
Raktabeeja of Devi Bhagvatam.

And if desire is supressed, it comes back with tremendous force
destroying all our tapas, all our yoga and leaves us far behind from
our progress.

What is the solution then ?

Baba

Agreed. One should desire and work hard for it's fulfillment,
honestly, diligently and ethically. But don't get attached to the
result of the desire. If after all the sincere effort a contrary
result ensues, accept it as the will of the Lord. Surrender the
fruits of your actions and desires at the feet of the Lord, If
the desire is fulfilled, accept it as the grace of the Lord,
rather than the result of your efforts. Have a Prasad Buddhi and
Isvara Arpana Buddhi. That is the trick.

God Bless,
radhakutir


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To: <saadhnaa (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: 06 June, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: [SAADHNAA] Re: Desire universe and creation !!


> Desires are important part of creation and continuance of the
> Universe.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> And if desire is supressed, it comes back with tremendous
force
> destroying all our tapas, all our yoga and leaves us far behind
from
> our progress.
>
> What is the solution then ?
>
> Baba
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Babaji is very knowledgeable, he does not need any answers.
However!

In the philosophy of Advaita Vedanta, this universe was never
created, it is apparent only. It's like a dream, but not your or
my dream. We are all parts of this larger dream.

Because this creation is apparent, the philosophy takes great
pains to explain its components to the minutest detail and in the
rejects it as non-existent. It makes lot of sense, because when I
am present in flesh and blood, it shall make no sense to say that
I do not exist. Therefore the philosophy helps us to raise the
level of our understanding very beautifully before rejecting the
creation.

The ultimate answer lies in understanding of our true nature, the
Self, one without a second. Who Am I?

We have to climb the ladder rung by rung until we reach the top
and not start dancing in the middle lest we fall. This is
Sadhana.

God Bless,
radhakutir.


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Sent: 06 June, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: [SAADHNAA] Desire universe and creation !!


> --- In saadhnaa (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, SRI RADHA KUTIR
<radhaktr@v...>
> wrote:
> > And desire is based on what ??
> >
> > It is based on a sense of lacking, sense of incompleteness,
not
> > knowing that I am complete, lacking nothing. I am not the
body, I
> > am the Self, the pure Consciousness, One without a second.
> > KNOW WHO AM I?
> > and be HAPPY!
> >
> > radhakutir
> >
> Thanks swamiji. My question was that Brahm who is beyond
desires
> and needs, why creates the Universe ? what forces him to start
this
> creation and if he is forced, then he is not absolute !
>
>
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Radhe Radhe to all,

Here I would like to add , Kripaluji Maharaj says........You can not stop
desiring....there are two area to desire from.....one material area and another
spiritual area.....Desiring for material things is no no for any sadhak......but
desire in spiritual area also is dangerous...as if desire something from God and
if it is not fulfilled......you are bound to become Nastik....The best way for
sadhak is to desire for happiness of swami.....be happy in happiness of
Krishna...That way even if you are sad for any reason you will always remain
happy thinking its my Swami's wish and I should accept it for HIS
happiness.......

Regarding surrendering fruits of action.........There is another thing which we
need to keep in mind.............whatever we offer or surrender to
Krishna........HE returns it back to us with thousand times........so you need
to be careful while surrendering or offering something to Krishna.........All
you good deeds must be offered and surrendered.....and not the bad deeds....or
it will be returned back with multiplication....when you offer good deeds, it no
more remains yours , so you will not have Ego of doing anything good.....But the
bad deed has to be repented and never to be repeated....That way your progress
in spiritual area will be faster...

Desire for Krishna's darshan, HIS seva........Those are good desires......

Radhe Radhe

Who_make_sense

Three things are sanatan one YOU..., MAYA and GOD.....

SRI RADHA KUTIR <radhaktr@...>

Three things are sanatan one YOU..., MAYA and GOD.....

SRI RADHA KUTIR <radhaktr@...>

--- In saadhnaa (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, SRI RADHA KUTIR <radhaktr@v...>
wrote:

I bow to the divinity in you. Your mere presence is sufficient to
convert knowledge into wisdom.

But kindly allow me to differ on this point. I do not accept the
world as apparent and Maya. Advait Vedanta only says there is only
one consciousness....it never said world is fake (yes Yoga vashishta
said this but that book is not a complete and authentic version of
Vedanta)

Shruti says :-
Sarvam Khalvidam Brahmam - Whatever is, is Brahm himself.

Hence the statement of Upanishads Brahm Satyam Mithya Jagat....is
half truth Ardh-Satya.

The world is a continuous creation (manifestation) of the Supreme.
Untruth can not be outcome of Truth.

The world may be a Maya but it is a relative statement...not
absolute truth.

Gita which can be taken as an authenticated source of wisdom of
Santan Dharam, as it was uttered by no other than the Supreme
himself, no where tells us that Universe is fake and it was never
created.

Rather Shri Krishna himself tells in Gita that the Nature is Yoni
whereas i m the Father who puts his seeds in that yoni

Also Shri Krishna says....Nature, under my supervision creates
this Universe with the help of three gunas !

In my humble opinion saying the Universe as apparent and Maya or
fake, may be a part of truth but not complete truth.

I treat the whole universe as the body of my beloved
Krishna...how can i accept it as fake ? it is as dear to me as He
himself is....it is as alive with his breath as I am.

with my pranams

baba
beirut wala

--- In saadhnaa (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, SRI RADHA KUTIR <radhaktr@v...>
wrote:

I bow to the divinity in you. Your mere presence is sufficient to
convert knowledge into wisdom.

But kindly allow me to differ on this point. I do not accept the
world as apparent and Maya. Advait Vedanta only says there is only
one consciousness....it never said world is fake (yes Yoga vashishta
said this but that book is not a complete and authentic version of
Vedanta)

Shruti says :-
Sarvam Khalvidam Brahmam - Whatever is, is Brahm himself.

Hence the statement of Upanishads Brahm Satyam Mithya Jagat....is
half truth Ardh-Satya.

The world is a continuous creation (manifestation) of the Supreme.
Untruth can not be outcome of Truth.

The world may be a Maya but it is a relative statement...not
absolute truth.

Gita which can be taken as an authenticated source of wisdom of
Santan Dharam, as it was uttered by no other than the Supreme
himself, no where tells us that Universe is fake and it was never
created.

Rather Shri Krishna himself tells in Gita that the Nature is Yoni
whereas i m the Father who puts his seeds in that yoni

Also Shri Krishna says....Nature, under my supervision creates
this Universe with the help of three gunas !

In my humble opinion saying the Universe as apparent and Maya or
fake, may be a part of truth but not complete truth.

I treat the whole universe as the body of my beloved
Krishna...how can i accept it as fake ? it is as dear to me as He
himself is....it is as alive with his breath as I am.

with my pranams

baba
beirut wala

Babji, I totally agree with you. Whatever the world may be, it
must be taken as very real to be able to do any Sadhana and make
progress towards the ultimate goal. The tools for Sadhana
available to us are the body - mind complex and the whole world
spread before us. There is no contradiction.

The Sanskrit word used in the scriptures is Mithiya, meaning it
does not have an independent existence. Its existence depends
upon the existence of the Absolute Truth or Reality. In fact it
is all a superimposition upon the Reality. Remove the veil of
superimposition, the Truth shines forth. Truth can exist
independent of all else (in fact there is nothing else) but the
world cannot. The contemplation on this statement is sufficient
for Moksha. Please try to analyze the dream state, the dream
world and the dreamer, you should get the answers. In the dream
state there is no dreamer or the dream world but only the
sub-conscious mind is present, which projects all this. Similarly
the truth behind the visible world is the Self alone and none
else.

Hari Om,
radhakutir


----- Original Message -----
From: "beirut_ka_baba" <no_reply (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
To: <saadhnaa (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: 14 June, 2005 11:34 AM
Subject: [SAADHNAA] Re: Desire universe and creation !!


> --- In saadhnaa (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, SRI RADHA KUTIR
<radhaktr@v...>
> wrote:
>
> I bow to the divinity in you. Your mere presence is sufficient
to
> convert knowledge into wisdom.
>
> But kindly allow me to differ on this point. I do not
accept the
> world as apparent and Maya. Advait Vedanta only says there is
only
> one consciousness....it never said world is fake (yes Yoga
vashishta
> said this but that book is not a complete and authentic version
of
> Vedanta)
>
> Shruti says :-
> Sarvam Khalvidam Brahmam - Whatever is, is Brahm himself.
>
> Hence the statement of Upanishads Brahm Satyam Mithya
Jagat....is
> half truth Ardh-Satya.
>
> The world is a continuous creation (manifestation) of the
Supreme.
> Untruth can not be outcome of Truth.
>
> The world may be a Maya but it is a relative
statement...not
> absolute truth.
>
> Gita which can be taken as an authenticated source of
wisdom of
> Santan Dharam, as it was uttered by no other than the Supreme
> himself, no where tells us that Universe is fake and it was
never
> created.
>
> Rather Shri Krishna himself tells in Gita that the Nature is
Yoni
> whereas i m the Father who puts his seeds in that yoni
>
> Also Shri Krishna says....Nature, under my supervision
creates
> this Universe with the help of three gunas !
>
> In my humble opinion saying the Universe as apparent and
Maya or
> fake, may be a part of truth but not complete truth.
>
> I treat the whole universe as the body of my beloved
> Krishna...how can i accept it as fake ? it is as dear to me as
He
> himself is....it is as alive with his breath as I am.
>
> with my pranams
>
> baba
> beirut wala
>
>
>
>
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Babji, I totally agree with you. Whatever the world may be, it
must be taken as very real to be able to do any Sadhana and make
progress towards the ultimate goal. The tools for Sadhana
available to us are the body - mind complex and the whole world
spread before us. There is no contradiction.

The Sanskrit word used in the scriptures is Mithiya, meaning it
does not have an independent existence. Its existence depends
upon the existence of the Absolute Truth or Reality. In fact it
is all a superimposition upon the Reality. Remove the veil of
superimposition, the Truth shines forth. Truth can exist
independent of all else (in fact there is nothing else) but the
world cannot. The contemplation on this statement is sufficient
for Moksha. Please try to analyze the dream state, the dream
world and the dreamer, you should get the answers. In the dream
state there is no dreamer or the dream world but only the
sub-conscious mind is present, which projects all this. Similarly
the truth behind the visible world is the Self alone and none
else.

Hari Om,
radhakutir


----- Original Message -----
From: "beirut_ka_baba" <no_reply (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
To: <saadhnaa (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: 14 June, 2005 11:34 AM
Subject: [SAADHNAA] Re: Desire universe and creation !!


> --- In saadhnaa (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, SRI RADHA KUTIR
<radhaktr@v...>
> wrote:
>
> I bow to the divinity in you. Your mere presence is sufficient
to
> convert knowledge into wisdom.
>
> But kindly allow me to differ on this point. I do not
accept the
> world as apparent and Maya. Advait Vedanta only says there is
only
> one consciousness....it never said world is fake (yes Yoga
vashishta
> said this but that book is not a complete and authentic version
of
> Vedanta)
>
> Shruti says :-
> Sarvam Khalvidam Brahmam - Whatever is, is Brahm himself.
>
> Hence the statement of Upanishads Brahm Satyam Mithya
Jagat....is
> half truth Ardh-Satya.
>
> The world is a continuous creation (manifestation) of the
Supreme.
> Untruth can not be outcome of Truth.
>
> The world may be a Maya but it is a relative
statement...not
> absolute truth.
>
> Gita which can be taken as an authenticated source of
wisdom of
> Santan Dharam, as it was uttered by no other than the Supreme
> himself, no where tells us that Universe is fake and it was
never
> created.
>
> Rather Shri Krishna himself tells in Gita that the Nature is
Yoni
> whereas i m the Father who puts his seeds in that yoni
>
> Also Shri Krishna says....Nature, under my supervision
creates
> this Universe with the help of three gunas !
>
> In my humble opinion saying the Universe as apparent and
Maya or
> fake, may be a part of truth but not complete truth.
>
> I treat the whole universe as the body of my beloved
> Krishna...how can i accept it as fake ? it is as dear to me as
He
> himself is....it is as alive with his breath as I am.
>
> with my pranams
>
> baba
> beirut wala
>
>
>
>
>
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