Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2003 hi everyone, can I just know some details about the court case going on with the SRS mutt (mantralayam). i wanted to know what the exact circumstances were and how far it has progressed. prasanna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Hi All, , " Prasanna Kovalam " <kovalamp@t...> wrote: > can I just know some details about the court case going on with the > SRS mutt (mantralayam). i wanted to know what the exact > circumstances were and how far it has progressed. It's prefered not to discuss these issues in public. In any case, I'd like to add that Sri Rayaru will make sure that Sri Suvidyendraru is performing Sri Rama devara pooja soon. Hari Sarvottama, Vayu Jeevottama, Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum, Sri Hanuma Bheema Madhvaya Namaha, Sri Satyatma Teertha Gurubhyo Namaha, Anand Manvi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2003 hi thanks for all your concern, the emails have been forwarded to SRS Matha Authorities, if they wish to give a reply, i would post it on here... Thanks --- Anand Manvi <m_anand_rao wrote: > Hi All, > > , " Prasanna > Kovalam " > <kovalamp@t...> wrote: > > can I just know some details about the court case > going on with the > > SRS mutt (mantralayam). i wanted to know what the > exact > > circumstances were and how far it has progressed. > It's prefered not to discuss these issues in public. > In any case, I'd > like to add that Sri Rayaru will make sure that Sri > Suvidyendraru is > performing Sri Rama devara pooja soon. > > Hari Sarvottama, Vayu Jeevottama, > Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum, > Sri Hanuma Bheema Madhvaya Namaha, > Sri Satyatma Teertha Gurubhyo Namaha, > > Anand Manvi > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Dear all, > It's prefered not to discuss these issues in public. I see no reason why it should not made known to all bhaktas?! I'd also like to take issue with some of the recent happenings in our SRS matha. We all know very well the contravorsy surrounding Sri Suvideyndara sanyasa. Few questions raised by lot of people in our own matha are unanswered. Why was the sanaya deeksha done in Udupi and not in Rayara sannidhana? I learnt from some eyewitnesses at deeksha time that Sri Sushameendraru even refused to give sanyasa when some people of Gautami gotra started creating mess, but Rajgopal, the sarvadhikari and son of Sri Sushameendraru in poorvashrama is said to have forced Sri Sushameendraru to give deeksha, why? Rajgopal, the sarvadhikari is said to have receibed money from Swamiji of some other matha. Recent developments confirm this. What was the need to give money to Pejavar Swamiji at Vijaeendara aradhane time? Also Jayanagar V block rayara matha is probably richest matha after Mantralayam, why is Sri Adhamaru swamiji sitting for chaturmasaya there? So for we've not let our premises to be used but who influenced our administration now? These swamiji's from other mathas are the same one's who attened, and possibly also worshipped Ayyappa, for sake of money. They MUST stop interfering in the matters of our matha, lest rayaru will not forgive them. Is this not known to many bhaktas already, if so, why are you all not speaking out? If it's not stopped it'll rot further. || Sri Moola Ramo Vijayathe || || Sri Ragavendraya namh || Vasu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2003 dear all, 1. we must first quesiton our concionousness and see how qualified are we to talk about ethis who are much more superior to us as Gurus according to Tarathamya? 2. In matters of rayar matha, we must ponder and think nothing will happen without rayar icha and Guru Rayar's icha. first of all sitting in the peetha where Guru Rayar sat is not easy and we must rememeber there have been instances of Non gauthama gothra people sitting in the peetha. 3. Assumtions and people's gossips dont equate Proof of anything. 4.Knowing the greatness of Moola Rama Idol, one should think that they cannot do pooja to it without the permission of Guru Rayar. 5. we must understand that we are not even qualified to comment on suvidheendra Theertharu for the scholar that he is. 6. It is usual for swamijis to camp in other mathas, we have no right to question it, as a true madhwa, we must learn to respect the ethis who cam in the peethas as intiated by SriMadacharya.Camping is always done with the invitation of people of Other Mathas and residents of the area. 7. Court Cases are internal matter of Rayar matha and proof and outcome cannot be revelied as it may jepordize the case. I think one with common sense would have to ponder and stop talking all this as gossip. 9. Both Swamijis of Guru Rayar Matha share a very close bondage among themselves which, i have seen myself by speaking to them and through other people of rayar matha 8. Guru Rayar lived a life in which he did what he said and practiced what he did, so instead of pointing and accusing others, we should see if we can live to what we preach. 9. The Moral is dont call the grapes sour if you cant get it, example if you cannot weild influence in a Matha dont sound foul and accuse others. 10. Such Cheap attitudes dont help bhakthi or spread of gyana.it is really sad that madhwa community has to be reduced to such cheap levels. 11. Probably the person who sent these nasty accusations might assumes others are like him and would do what he would have done in their place. This is not an official reply, but official reply would be posted shortly. Thanks Rajaraman Nagarajan - webmaster- WWW.GURURAGHAVENDRA.ORG --- vasudevra o2003 <vasudevrao2003 wrote: > Dear all, > > > It's prefered not to discuss these issues in > public. > I see no reason why it should not made known to all > bhaktas?! > > I'd also like to take issue with some of the recent > happenings in our > SRS matha. We all know very well the contravorsy > surrounding > Sri Suvideyndara sanyasa. Few questions raised by > lot of people in > our own matha are unanswered. > Why was the sanaya deeksha done in Udupi and not in > Rayara sannidhana? > I learnt from some eyewitnesses at deeksha time that > Sri > Sushameendraru even refused to give sanyasa when > some people of > Gautami gotra started creating mess, but Rajgopal, > the sarvadhikari > and son of Sri Sushameendraru in poorvashrama is > said to have forced > Sri Sushameendraru to give deeksha, why? Rajgopal, > the sarvadhikari > is said to have receibed money from Swamiji of some > other matha. > Recent developments confirm this. > What was the need to give money to Pejavar Swamiji > at Vijaeendara > aradhane time? > Also Jayanagar V block rayara matha is probably > richest matha after > Mantralayam, why is Sri Adhamaru swamiji sitting for > chaturmasaya > there? So for we've not let our premises to be used > but who > influenced our administration now? > These swamiji's from other mathas are the same one's > who attened, and > possibly also worshipped Ayyappa, for sake of money. > They MUST stop > interfering in the matters of our matha, lest rayaru > will not forgive > them. > Is this not known to many bhaktas already, if so, > why are you all not > speaking out? If it's not stopped it'll rot further. > > || Sri Moola Ramo Vijayathe || > || Sri Ragavendraya namh || > > Vasu > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2003 Dear Ahyatma Bandhus, SatyamEva Jayate, " GURU Devo Bhava " Accusing respected swamijies of Raghavendra mut,Pejavar and Adamar mut will not serve any purpose except creating our own hell. Giving money as Biksha can not be questioned by anybody and it is the way it should be. Even all sajjanaas will give biksha to sanyasis irrespective of which mata etc. Please note that POORNAPRAJNA VIDYA PEETA so many swamijis will come,stay, even sit for chaturmasa. If Adamaru swamiji sits for Chaturmasa in Rayara Mata,it is a right symbol and good for madhwa community as a whole. Great gnani is a Swamiji today definately due to RAyara Ichcha as pointed out by Mr.Rangarajan. He is there to spread Great Tatva shastra. I request all Madhwas to allow/support him to do that great task and not to creat any human controversy in AHYATMIC path. I request, as a DASANUDASA to give respect to great peetadipatis irrespective of which mata you are belonging. Few nonmadhwas are laughing on us for this type of writing. Your DASANUDASA, Lakshmi Narayana Rao - Rajaraman Nagarajan <guru_rayar Friday, July 25, 2003 7:40 pm Re: Re: some details needed > dear all, > 1. we must first quesiton our concionousness and see > how qualified are we to talk about ethis who are much > more superior to us as Gurus according to Tarathamya? > 2. In matters of rayar matha, we must ponder and > think > nothing will happen without rayar icha and Guru > Rayar's icha. first of all sitting in the peetha where > Guru Rayar sat is not easy and we must rememeber there > have been instances of Non gauthama gothra people > sitting in the peetha. > 3. Assumtions and people's gossips dont equate Proof > of anything. > 4.Knowing the greatness of Moola Rama Idol, one > should think that they cannot do pooja to it without > the permission of Guru Rayar. > 5. we must understand that we are not even qualified > to comment on suvidheendra Theertharu for the scholar > that he is. > 6. It is usual for swamijis to camp in other mathas, > we have no right to question it, as a true madhwa, we > must learn to respect the ethis who cam in the peethas > as intiated by SriMadacharya.Camping is always done > with the invitation of people of Other Mathas and > residents of the area. > 7. Court Cases are internal matter of Rayar matha and > proof and outcome cannot be revelied as it may > jepordize the case. I think one with common sense > would have to ponder and stop talking all this as > gossip. > 9. Both Swamijis of Guru Rayar Matha share a very > close bondage among themselves which, i have seen > myself by speaking to them and through other people of > rayar matha > 8. Guru Rayar lived a life in which he did what he > said and practiced what he did, so instead of pointing > and accusing others, we should see if we can live to > what we preach. > 9. The Moral is dont call the grapes sour if you cant > get it, example if you cannot weild influence in a > Matha dont sound foul and accuse others. > 10. Such Cheap attitudes dont help bhakthi or spread > of gyana.it is really sad that madhwa community has to > be reduced to such cheap levels. > 11. Probably the person who sent these nasty > accusations might assumes others are like him and > would do what he would have done in their place. > > This is not an official reply, but official reply > would be posted shortly. > > Thanks > > Rajaraman Nagarajan - webmaster- > WWW.GURURAGHAVENDRA.ORG > > > --- vasudevra > o2003 <vasudevrao2003 wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > > It's prefered not to discuss these issues in > > public. > > I see no reason why it should not made known to all > > bhaktas?! > > > > I'd also like to take issue with some of the recent > > happenings in our > > SRS matha. We all know very well the contravorsy > > surrounding > > Sri Suvideyndara sanyasa. Few questions raised by > > lot of people in > > our own matha are unanswered. > > Why was the sanaya deeksha done in Udupi and not in > > Rayara sannidhana? > > I learnt from some eyewitnesses at deeksha time that > > Sri > > Sushameendraru even refused to give sanyasa when > > some people of > > Gautami gotra started creating mess, but Rajgopal, > > the sarvadhikari > > and son of Sri Sushameendraru in poorvashrama is > > said to have forced > > Sri Sushameendraru to give deeksha, why? Rajgopal, > > the sarvadhikari > > is said to have receibed money from Swamiji of some > > other matha. > > Recent developments confirm this. > > What was the need to give money to Pejavar Swamiji > > at Vijaeendara > > aradhane time? > > Also Jayanagar V block rayara matha is probably > > richest matha after > > Mantralayam, why is Sri Adhamaru swamiji sitting for > > chaturmasaya > > there? So for we've not let our premises to be used > > but who > > influenced our administration now? > > These swamiji's from other mathas are the same one's > > who attened, and > > possibly also worshipped Ayyappa, for sake of money. > > They MUST stop > > interfering in the matters of our matha, lest rayaru > > will not forgive > > them. > > Is this not known to many bhaktas already, if so, > > why are you all not > > speaking out? If it's not stopped it'll rot further. > > > > || Sri Moola Ramo Vijayathe || > > || Sri Ragavendraya namh || > > > > Vasu > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2003 I guess there are a lot of like minded people in the Madhwa community and i am proud to be a part of that group. Enough is enough. Let us forget our Mathas and follow our mata (Madhwa mata) Namaskaras Pavan Panchamukhi - <rao " Rajaraman Nagarajan " <guru_rayar Cc: ; <nandana18 Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:04 AM Re: Re: some details needed > Dear Ahyatma Bandhus, > > SatyamEva Jayate, " GURU Devo Bhava " > > Accusing respected swamijies of Raghavendra mut,Pejavar and Adamar mut > will not serve any purpose except creating our own hell. Giving money > as Biksha can not be questioned by anybody and it is the way it should > be. Even all sajjanaas will give biksha to sanyasis irrespective of > which mata etc. Please note that POORNAPRAJNA VIDYA PEETA so many > swamijis will come,stay, even sit for chaturmasa. If Adamaru swamiji > sits for Chaturmasa in Rayara Mata,it is a right symbol and good for > madhwa community as a whole. > > Great gnani is a Swamiji today definately due to RAyara Ichcha as > pointed out by Mr.Rangarajan. He is there to spread Great Tatva > shastra. I request all Madhwas to allow/support him to do that great > task and not to creat any human controversy in AHYATMIC path. > > I request, as a DASANUDASA to give respect to great peetadipatis > irrespective of which mata you are belonging. Few nonmadhwas are > laughing on us for this type of writing. > > Your DASANUDASA, > > Lakshmi Narayana Rao > > > - > Rajaraman Nagarajan <guru_rayar > Friday, July 25, 2003 7:40 pm > Re: Re: some details needed > > > dear all, > > 1. we must first quesiton our concionousness and see > > how qualified are we to talk about ethis who are much > > more superior to us as Gurus according to Tarathamya? > > 2. In matters of rayar matha, we must ponder and > > think > > nothing will happen without rayar icha and Guru > > Rayar's icha. first of all sitting in the peetha where > > Guru Rayar sat is not easy and we must rememeber there > > have been instances of Non gauthama gothra people > > sitting in the peetha. > > 3. Assumtions and people's gossips dont equate Proof > > of anything. > > 4.Knowing the greatness of Moola Rama Idol, one > > should think that they cannot do pooja to it without > > the permission of Guru Rayar. > > 5. we must understand that we are not even qualified > > to comment on suvidheendra Theertharu for the scholar > > that he is. > > 6. It is usual for swamijis to camp in other mathas, > > we have no right to question it, as a true madhwa, we > > must learn to respect the ethis who cam in the peethas > > as intiated by SriMadacharya.Camping is always done > > with the invitation of people of Other Mathas and > > residents of the area. > > 7. Court Cases are internal matter of Rayar matha and > > proof and outcome cannot be revelied as it may > > jepordize the case. I think one with common sense > > would have to ponder and stop talking all this as > > gossip. > > 9. Both Swamijis of Guru Rayar Matha share a very > > close bondage among themselves which, i have seen > > myself by speaking to them and through other people of > > rayar matha > > 8. Guru Rayar lived a life in which he did what he > > said and practiced what he did, so instead of pointing > > and accusing others, we should see if we can live to > > what we preach. > > 9. The Moral is dont call the grapes sour if you cant > > get it, example if you cannot weild influence in a > > Matha dont sound foul and accuse others. > > 10. Such Cheap attitudes dont help bhakthi or spread > > of gyana.it is really sad that madhwa community has to > > be reduced to such cheap levels. > > 11. Probably the person who sent these nasty > > accusations might assumes others are like him and > > would do what he would have done in their place. > > > > This is not an official reply, but official reply > > would be posted shortly. > > > > Thanks > > > > Rajaraman Nagarajan - webmaster- > > WWW.GURURAGHAVENDRA.ORG > > > > > > --- vasudevra > > o2003 <vasudevrao2003 wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > It's prefered not to discuss these issues in > > > public. > > > I see no reason why it should not made known to all > > > bhaktas?! > > > > > > I'd also like to take issue with some of the recent > > > happenings in our > > > SRS matha. We all know very well the contravorsy > > > surrounding > > > Sri Suvideyndara sanyasa. Few questions raised by > > > lot of people in > > > our own matha are unanswered. > > > Why was the sanaya deeksha done in Udupi and not in > > > Rayara sannidhana? > > > I learnt from some eyewitnesses at deeksha time that > > > Sri > > > Sushameendraru even refused to give sanyasa when > > > some people of > > > Gautami gotra started creating mess, but Rajgopal, > > > the sarvadhikari > > > and son of Sri Sushameendraru in poorvashrama is > > > said to have forced > > > Sri Sushameendraru to give deeksha, why? Rajgopal, > > > the sarvadhikari > > > is said to have receibed money from Swamiji of some > > > other matha. > > > Recent developments confirm this. > > > What was the need to give money to Pejavar Swamiji > > > at Vijaeendara > > > aradhane time? > > > Also Jayanagar V block rayara matha is probably > > > richest matha after > > > Mantralayam, why is Sri Adhamaru swamiji sitting for > > > chaturmasaya > > > there? So for we've not let our premises to be used > > > but who > > > influenced our administration now? > > > These swamiji's from other mathas are the same one's > > > who attened, and > > > possibly also worshipped Ayyappa, for sake of money. > > > They MUST stop > > > interfering in the matters of our matha, lest rayaru > > > will not forgive > > > them. > > > Is this not known to many bhaktas already, if so, > > > why are you all not > > > speaking out? If it's not stopped it'll rot further. > > > > > > || Sri Moola Ramo Vijayathe || > > > || Sri Ragavendraya namh || > > > > > > Vasu > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 28, 2003 Hi All, I guess lot of you guys seem to be carrying some baggage of 'matha- differences' because most of you have seen my opinion from that prism. I did not auucse any swamiji from either our Rayara matha or Adhamaru matha, some people seem to be reading too much between the lines. Kindly do not use Rayara Icha as an excuse to coverup anything. We're all extremely happy about pontification of Guru Venkatachar as Sri Suvidyendraru. Those who have talked about math-differences also need to keep in mind that interfernece can't be explained away this way. Lot of people in Matralaya were extremely unhappy with the way Pavamanachar behaved with UM Swamiji, so we're not matha-fanatic like you would like to imagine. My only argument, after all, was that interference MUST STOP and here I've presented a clear case of interference in SRS matha by pontiffs of some other matha, this obviously will not be accepted by top SRS matha officials, so no proof can be produced for these. Those who want to find out these details unofficially. || Sri Moola Ramo Vijayathe || || Sri Raghavendraya namh || Vasu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 29, 2003 Dear Adhyatma Bandhus, We are all should note the following from Shri Vasudeva Rao's writing: " We're all extremely happy about pontification of Guru Venkatachar as Sri Suvidyendraru " . He is a very great scholar. As I understood he translated " Parimala " of Raghavendra Swamiji to Kannada. He was a professor in Poornapragna Vidya peeta for a lomg period. Hundreds of his students had Sudha- mangala. He has got initiated as Swamiji near Udupi Srikrishna,Guru Madhwa's dearest Aradhya Murthy. With all this let us forget all other things and make great pranaamaas to his padambujaas. Your DASANUDASA Lakshmi Narayana Rao. - vasudevrao2003 <vasudevrao2003 Monday, July 28, 2003 3:01 pm Re: some details needed > Hi All, > > I guess lot of you guys seem to be carrying some baggage of 'matha- > differences' because most of you have seen my opinion from that > prism. > I did not auucse any swamiji from either our Rayara matha or > Adhamaru > matha, some people seem to be reading too much between the lines. > Kindly do not use Rayara Icha as an excuse to coverup anything. > We're all extremely happy about pontification of Guru Venkatachar > as > Sri Suvidyendraru. > Those who have talked about math-differences also need to keep in > mind that interfernece can't be explained away this way. Lot of > people in Matralaya were extremely unhappy with the way > Pavamanachar > behaved with UM Swamiji, so we're not matha-fanatic like you would > like to imagine. > My only argument, after all, was that interference MUST STOP and > here > I've presented a clear case of interference in SRS matha by > pontiffs > of some other matha, this obviously will not be accepted by top > SRS > matha officials, so no proof can be produced for these. Those who > want to find out these details unofficially. > > || Sri Moola Ramo Vijayathe || > || Sri Raghavendraya namh || > > Vasu > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 29, 2003 All, Few people have written to my personal box asking for some clarification. One particular individual who claims to be sending 'Official' mails from SRS Matha has used abusive language for which I gave fitting replay. I do not see why such individuals should be spared at all. Also this individual sounded to me like an Advaitin in the guise of a Madhva. Unfortunately there are some such people polluting Mantralayam too. Nevertheless, as I mentioned earlier too, quite a few people on this list seem to be carrying some baggage or the other. Most of you guys remind me of Indian communist who claim to be speaking against caste but endup seeing and speaking caste and only caste in anything and everything. Also another striking similarity with the secularists is that you guys take no time in associating people with that group or this. Like one person asked me why only person from Gautami gotra should get SRS peetha!? What do I say? I never supported this ridiculous line of argument, but these Madhva-secularists seem to insist on getting answers. You Madhva-secularists! step down from the high-moral-pedastal and be proper Madhvas. || Sri Moola Ramo Vijayathe || || Sri Raghavendraya namh || Vasu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
