What do our bodies in Vaikuntha look like?

[Guest guest]

I know they are immortal bodies, but do they look like human bodies in makeup (2 arms, 2 legs, etc)? (only far more glorious in appearance of course)

[Danielle Field 0]

I don't know but the way I think of it is that our consciousness tries to mould the inferior materials with which it is surrounded into some semblance of its original form. Matter is the prison and conscioiusness is the creative actor. The greater our consciousness the greater our form appears as it would in its original condition. I think of our current material forms being a stool filled replica of our original form.

[Guest guest]

When the jeev is in liberated state through and through and eligible to be transferred to any planet in Karanaloka [aka the Spiritual World] such as Vaikuntha, then all of the exterior koshas [bodies] and sariras [sheaths] fall away at the time of death.

 

At that time, only the body of bliss, saccidananda, is left. You actually have this body of bliss now, saccidananda. It is your soul or pure energy or pure essence. However, most jeevs in this world of Mrtyaloka are identifying with the external koshas and sariras.

 

In Vaikuntha all of the Lord's associates look like Him. Vaikuntha is the planet of Laksmi-Narayana. By properly following our sadhana then we develop our essence, spiritual body more and more. Like how a baby in womb starts out like size of a pin point, then the size of a pea.

 

The soul body develops more and more when we follow the yamas and niyamas [restraints and practices] of Yoga, of which bhakti is one aspect.

When we are fully mature as souls then by the grace of God/dess we

develop fully into our perfected state, much like how a seed turns into a particular type of tree.

[Guest guest]

 

When the jeev is in liberated state through and through and eligible to be transferred to any planet in Karanaloka [aka the Spiritual World] such as Vaikuntha, then all of the exterior koshas [bodies] and sariras [sheaths] fall away at the time of death.

 

At that time, only the body of bliss, saccidananda, is left. You actually have this body of bliss now, saccidananda. It is your soul or pure energy or pure essence. However, most jeevs in this world of Mrtyaloka are identifying with the external koshas and sariras.

 

In Vaikuntha all of the Lord's associates look like Him. Vaikuntha is the planet of Laksmi-Narayana. By properly following our sadhana then we develop our essence, spiritual body more and more. Like how a baby in womb starts out like size of a pin point, then the size of a pea.

 

The soul body develops more and more when we follow the yamas and niyamas [restraints and practices] of Yoga, of which bhakti is one aspect.

When we are fully mature as souls then by the grace of God/dess we

develop fully into our perfected state, much like how a seed turns into a particular type of tree.

 

Great post. Very helpful info. Is there a specific Sanskrit name for this supernal body of the soul? or is just called the Sat-chit-ananda body?

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Dear Guest,

 

Thank you for appreciating post #3.

 

I have to go to work soon and I have some stuff to take care of at home. Okay alot of stuff. Okay so much stuff that I need 72 hours in a day.

 

But when I have time, I will do my level best to answer your question. It might take a few days, so keep watching this space! Thank you for your

interest, patience, and tolerance.

 

Best wishes, pranams, and have a great day!

[Guest guest]

 

Dear Guest,

 

Thank you for appreciating post #3.

 

I have to go to work soon and I have some stuff to take care of at home. Okay alot of stuff. Okay so much stuff that I need 72 hours in a day.

 

But when I have time, I will do my level best to answer your question. It might take a few days, so keep watching this space! Thank you for your

interest, patience, and tolerance.

 

Best wishes, pranams, and have a great day!

 

Thank you. Am looking forward to reading your post. You obviously are very knowledgable on Vedic metaphysics. Such posters are needed on these forums.

[Guest guest]

I thought you might be interested to hear all the names of the different koshas [sheaths] and sariras [bodies] that we all already have:

 

STHULA SARIRA

gross body

+

ANNYNAYA KOSHA

food-made sheath =

the physical body or odic body

 

this sheath and body exist on the physical plane of BHU LOKA [earth]

 

 

next:

PRANAMAYA KOSA

the sheath of vitality

which enlivens the physical body

aka prana; exists on the lower astral dimension

 

next:

MANOMAYA KOSA

the intellectual (odic causal sheath)

and

the instinctive (odic-astral sheath)

this exists on the mid astral plane

aka the gross astral body

 

next:

VIJNANAMAYA KOSHA

the sheath of cognition

the mental or actinodic-causal sheath

 

all animate the:

SUKSHMA SARIRA

the subtle body

also called the astral body

 

 

all of those bodies/ sheaths exist in the Antar Loka dimension

the subtle or astral plane, each body corresponds to a

different chakra also

 

 

finally: Karana Loka dimension

the plane of the Gods

 

KARANA SARIRA causal body +

ANANDAMAYA KOSHA sheath of bliss =

the body of the soul

 

 

We are like onions and already have all of these bodies and sheaths,

it's just that each more subtle and refined essence that is us

exists inside the more gross dense matter layers

 

Each also correspnds to a different chakra and a state of consciousness.

In summary we are already VERY AMAZING and complex beings!

 

Hope this was helpful and interesting information for you.

Pranams + namaste!

[Guest guest]

sorry I mispelled annamaya

anna [sanskrit] = food [english]

 

the food-made body

[Guest guest]

 

I thought you might be interested to hear all the names of the different koshas [sheaths] and sariras [bodies] that we all already have:

 

STHULA SARIRA

gross body

+

ANNYNAYA KOSHA

food-made sheath =

the physical body or odic body

 

this sheath and body exist on the physical plane of BHU LOKA [earth]

 

 

next:

PRANAMAYA KOSA

the sheath of vitality

which enlivens the physical body

aka prana; exists on the lower astral dimension

 

next:

MANOMAYA KOSA

the intellectual (odic causal sheath)

and

the instinctive (odic-astral sheath)

this exists on the mid astral plane

aka the gross astral body

 

next:

VIJNANAMAYA KOSHA

the sheath of cognition

the mental or actinodic-causal sheath

 

all animate the:

SUKSHMA SARIRA

the subtle body

also called the astral body

 

 

all of those bodies/ sheaths exist in the Antar Loka dimension

the subtle or astral plane, each body corresponds to a

different chakra also

 

 

finally: Karana Loka dimension

the plane of the Gods

 

KARANA SARIRA causal body +

ANANDAMAYA KOSHA sheath of bliss =

the body of the soul

 

 

We are like onions and already have all of these bodies and sheaths,

it's just that each more subtle and refined essence that is us

exists inside the more gross dense matter layers

 

Each also correspnds to a different chakra and a state of consciousness.

In summary we are already VERY AMAZING and complex beings!

 

Hope this was helpful and interesting information for you.

Pranams + namaste!

 

Namaste, Guest,

 

Thank you, that was indeed very helpful info.

 

One question: is the Karana Loka where Vaikuntha/Shivaloka are located?

[Guest guest]

Dear Friend,

 

So glad to be of service! Happy to share vidya-dana, knowledge. I must thank you also because by sharing knowledge this helps develop the soul body and it is one of the three great cure-alls in Vedic Jyotish for a better

life. So pranams to you again and again for helping me also.

 

Re: the Karanaloka, yes this abode of the Gods is distinct from the abode

of the devas [demigod/desses] in the Antarloka. All of the three worlds work

together to help each and every jeev become fully mature.

 

As Jesus said, "In my Father's house there are many mansions". So also in

the Karanaloka there is Shivaloka and Vaikuntha as well as Vrndavana/ Braj Mandala.

 

When Swami Prabhupada wrote his small book "Easy Journey to Other Planets" he was talking about if we do our sadhana and follow all of the

yamas and niyamas we can travel to the Antarloka and to the Karanaloka.

He coined the term Spiritual Sky to describe the Karanaloka.

 

This "Easy Journey to Other Planets" is also described in Sri Brhad Bhagavatamrita by Sanatana Goswami. Basically a jeev receives a mantra

and by chanting it he gradually visits all of the planets in the Universe until

he reaches a point where he feels at home and has reached the nicest spot.

 

All the other places he visited were very exciting and amazing at first but after a while he thought, "Gee this is a nice place to visit but I sure wouldn't want to live here forever." He had desires yet unfulfilled and with that came new desires. Just like when we are children we think a toy will make us happy, then as we mature we look for happiness in something more subtle.

 

Also an important point to remember is that the Karanaloka is in another dimension located inside of us and everything. The Karanaloka exists inside the inside of all of the spaces between everything. Perhaps you remember from science class that there is so much space inside of an atom and even in between all of the atoms and molecules of dull matter there is so much space.

 

So inside of the inside of us and of everything that exists and beyond is where the Antar and Karana loka are situated. Think of how vast scientists have discovered this universe and galaxy is, and how many more galaxies they are discovering daily, and how the universe is constantly expanding.

 

So this Karanaloka is existing everywhere and inside of us also. Because the embodied jeev is covered by 36 evolutes or tattvas it can be difficult at times to pick up on it [the understatement of the year!]. However, just continue with your sadhana and following the yamas and niyamas to the best of your ability and you can pick up on it more and more.

 

The 36 tattvas the soul is covered by is:

36 prithivi - earth

35 apas - water

34 tejas - fire

33 vayu - air

32 akasa - ether

31 gandha - odor

30 rasa - taste

29 rupa - form

28 sparsa - feel

27 sabdha sound

26 upastha procreation genitals

25 payu excretion anus

24 pada walking feet

23 pani grasping hands

22 vak speech voice

21 ghrana smelling nose

20 rasana tasting tongue

19 chaksu seeing eyes

18 tvak touching skin

17 srotra hearing ears

16 manas instinctive mind

15 ahamkara external ego

14 buddhi intellect

13 prakriti primal mature

 

those are the ashuddha tattvas

the gross magnetic odic energy

 

[i think you know that shuddha means pure

like shuddha bhakata means pure devotee]

 

then the shuddha-shuddha tattvas

or the actinodic spiritual-magnetic energies

of the Antarloka are:

 

12 purusha - soul shrouded by tattvas #6 - 11

11 raga attachment desire

10 vidya knowledge

9 kala creativity, aptitude

8 niyati karma

7 kAAla time

6 mAAyAA mirific energy

 

then the actinic or pure spiritual energy is

the shuddha tattvas

of the Karanaloka are:

 

5 shuddhavidya tattva: dharma

4 isvara tattva - the power to conceal

3 sadasiva tattva - the power to reveal

2 shakti tattva - paramesvara-bindu Love

1 saccidananda - parashakti-nada pure consciousness

 

Highest of all within the Karanaloka, with more powers than the individual jeev, is the Absolute Reality from which everything emanates

called Atattva because exists beyond all categories.

 

I wonder if you remember a Star Trek movie in which an Indian girl on board ship with shaved had like a monastic gets an impulse to find and go back to V'ger, her Creator?

 

So we also are automatically programmed by the Creator to search for our

true home and everything we need to get there gradually our Creator has cleverly implanted inside of us. I think it is the most cool thing ever!

 

Hope this was helpful information for you; it's been fun sharing. Namaste!

[Guest guest]

Namaste, dear Guest!

 

Wow, thank you so much for taking the time to share all that great information. There is a lot there, and I will keep your post saved as a reference.

 

Some follow up questions to our discussion:

 

1. When we reach the Karanloka, do we remember all our past lives and everything about the history of our soul when we reach that state? and ascend to Vaikuntha/Shivaloka?

 

2. do we know each other and our previous connections when we see each other in our glorious soul bodies? Will I remember you as the kind poster who posted these posts? will I know all my parents and loved ones from my many previous lives?

 

Thanks again for taking the time to answer these questions.

[Guest guest]

Dear Friend,

 

I want to let you know how grateful I am for the opportunity to speak about the nature of the soul with you.

 

Just a few hours ago I was hearing in my head over and over again the most beautiful prayers from Brahma-Samhita. These prayers are sung at the ISKCON temples when the Deities' doors swing open in the AM when They

are dressed with new fresh clothes. And these prayers are also chanted in

unison by the brahmanas at some fire sacrifices in ISKCON.

 

What is being said in these prayers, in one verse, is that the Lord has a body of Saccidananda Vigraha "...and is served by hundreds and millions of Laxshmis, or Gopis..." You can even hear Srila Prabhupada say when he chants the prayers in a CD then discourses on the topic.

 

So that is a nice thing about sharing information, then the Lord reciprocates and makes it deeper and deeper and it comes alive for us. As in "use it or lose it"! Use this rare human birth to discourse about the Lord or lose a valuable moment so rare to obtain in "this precious human birth".

 

I was hearing the beautiful mantras in my mind and seeing the Beautiful Lord and His Beautiful associates in that Realm of Pure Love. So thank you for giving me a chance to talk about these nice topics to create good vrittis impressions on my mind which will help me at the time of death. Plus it is super fun to see and hear and experience at present moment, too.

 

 

I am going to speak sort of stream of consciousness, because you asked two

very good deep questions which can be answered on many, many levels.

For example, the more we do our sadhana, the more positive vrittis and samskaras we are creating in our minds. The more we purify our hearts, the

more we can see the Beautiful Forms of the Lord everywhere.

 

I am sure that you are aware that the Lord has three aspects of Brahman, Paramatma, and Bhagavan [with slightly different names in the different traditions]. In regards to this, the more we become purified, the way in which we perceive other jeevs starts to change gradually and imperceptibly.

 

By doing your sadhana for a long long time then once you become fixed in Param Atma/ Para Shiva realization then all of a sudden jeevs are walking around but you perceive the Lord in all of their hearts. Then the external form that the jeevs are wearing looks almost like Halloween costume. In mundane consciousness we call it "the human body".

 

In truth, the more stabilized you become in Brahman then you can hear Nadi all of the time [the energy of the Lord in His impersonal aspect]. Then the more you become grounded in Paramatma/Parashiva then you will see everyone as "There is [your Istha devata] hiding inside that human form." You perceive it is the Lord pervading everything.

 

That is why it is very very important to study these topics we are talking about. Then after we discuss, we go out into the world and see if these

things are true. So to answer part of your last question, how you perceive

other people will change gradually if you maintain good sadhana.

 

You begin to see everyone as a jeev on the Path and all are on different stages, including family and friends. You begin to have more compassion for people: because when you do not see the Lord in everything, then some people seem very irritating to us and other people seem extra special.

 

Of course some people are very special to us, more on that in a moment. But you begin to see how we are all inter-connected and inter-related. In Buddhism they call it: the jeweled net of Indra.

 

So for example you will start to perceive of your family members more as individual souls who have a distinctive relationship with the Lord and have

their own karmic patterns. You begin to see more than this moment in time. You start perceiving the karmic history of everyone in a subtle way: by their actions and words you can discern their past and future life patterns.

 

So just to whet your appetite here, let's just say that how you perceive people aka other jeevs will change. So magnify that subtle thing that is just starting now by 1000x and think of how differently we will be perceiving others in the Karanaloka.

 

Re: past lives, the more enlightened you become, the more you can remember

your past lives. Not for the purpose of cocktail party conversation but so you

will understand why you are having certain experiences as you wrap up your

karma and to motivate you to be good and stay on the path.

 

Appropos to that, as far as family and friends: there are some people that

are delivering our karma to us, let's put it that way. It is unpleasant and perhaps we were related in a past life and we can now choose to end the connection if they are now harming us. Not all souls evolve at the same rate.

 

On the other hand perhaps you are very close with some family and friends. Then you can choose to keep on relating [remember the soul has free will] and to even serve the Lord together when you become perfect.

 

The analogy of soulmates is given like this: all of the jeevs ever created are like a huge forest. Within that forest is a tree: the people of your "soul family": such as sampradaya, totem animals, archetypal patterns you can relate to, etc.

 

Then on that tree is a branch. Those are the very significant people who have been in your life through many incarnations and they feel things the

same as you. Your teachers and your guides are on that branch. Prabhupada has even said that, "ISKCON is a branch of the Chaitanya tree."

 

Then on that branch there are two leaves blowing in the breeze right next to each other. That is someone you have a very significant karmic relationship with and in fact perhaps even will serve the Lord together in similar mood.

 

I hope this little bit explains some of what you were wondering. In the future how we perceive people will be very very different the more enlightened we become. Even so, some souls may continue to be very special to us. As we change and morph so too will other dear souls, somewhat like classmates all graduating together at the same time.

 

As far as seeing friends and family in forms that we would recognize, what you described happens on the Antarloka platform. For example when you hear about people having NDE (Near Death Experiences) then they see relatives and friends because on the Antarloka is Pitrloka, where the ancestors live.

In fact I am feeling them just as I type this. The ancestors are a type of guardian angel, very protective and always wishing the very best for you.

 

So things having to do with an awareness of this life, family and so forth are the Antarloka, if I am not mistaken. And also remember you ARE in your glorious soul body now, just you have coverings [tattvas or evolutes]. So in the Karanaloka we are relating to others with those coverings stripped away. Yet some people that we love now, we might still be relating with them there also.

 

There are many beautiful intermediate levels on which the soul can live between Earth planet and Karanaloka. For example if you love very purely

and feel connected to others on a deeply spiritual level, there are councils

of Antarloka beings who serve as intermediaries between the Bhu Loka and the Karana Loka.

 

How they relate is telepathically. And also in Goloka Vrndavana, in Braj Mandala it is very crucial for Srimati Radharani, for example, to have Gopi

friends and manjaris who are so telepathic with Her that their minds can all

be in synch. Such as when She is sneaking around in the forest at night you

cannot be talking, the service must all be very telepathic: having one mind

and one goal and hearts all in synch.

 

So I hope this helps put your mind at ease: that if you do feel very strongly

connected with someone, then who knows perhaps you will be doing service together either on the Antarloka or the Karanaloka. A new spin on the phrase

"Best friends forever!" or "Love you forever!" The main thing is it will be very natural situation. Plus Krsna fulfills all of His devotees' desires, so if you have a desire then He is bound and obliged to fulfill it.

 

Once an elderly couple asked the Buddha how they could live in eternity forever together. He said, "If you hear the teachings the same, if you follow the teachings in the same way, and if you give in charity the same, then you both will achieve the same destination."

 

I hope this provides some clues and please let me know if any more questions.

Above the crown chakra [the entrance to the Karanaloka] there are 32 more

chakras. This would correspond with the different stages of bhakti and how the soul develops its bhakti-lata-bija [devotional creeper]. Even when you enter the perfectional stage then there are more and more subtle stages.

 

So main thing is we have good friends now to help us, good teachers to guide us along the way, and the internet in the meantime which is a boon from the Gods. Appreciate all of your blessings and friends and family and thank you once again your interest and good association.

[Guest guest]

In regards to "will I remember the history of my soul" in the Karanaloka?

 

As you get closer and closer to the Karanaloka first you will remember the own history of your own soul, as in the Buddha could remember all of his past lives before he attained enlightenment.

 

It is a siddhi. There are 1008 possible siddhis. So it comes unbidden that ability as you improve in sadhana. If you use it in the service of the Divine then there is no problem with getting that little bit of icing on the cake.

 

The process of going towards Karanaloka in our consciousness is called "Self

Realization". So one of the things imperative in that process is understanding

the self. Part of the self is our many many past lives.

 

When this starts happening to you, at first you might feel kind of alarmed and incredulous. Then as you mature in sadhana, you will feel kinda like, "whew, I wouldn't want to do that again" or "Omigod I was an idiot" [in my case].

However we were not idiots we were abuddhya, without knowledge, that's all.

 

College kids don't go around telling kindergarteners that they are idiots. However maybe a second grader would. So as we mature on the path, we gradually remember all of our major faux pas: as the karma for these bummer things bites back at us.

 

However after we clear off most of our karma then we go to the next stage and have compassion for ourselves and think "Omigod what an idiot" and can laugh about it. And after that you don't take it so personally, because the next stage is you see that every embodied jeev is going through the same template of experiences or archetypal patterns.

 

It is like a curriculum in a sense. Earth is like a school and there is a set curriculum for the jeevs. The teacher is Maha Vishwa Guru: the big bad world. So its like there is a set curriculum but some people have different

classmates and the curriculum varies slightly based on your sanchita and prarabdha karmas and where you are on the wheel of reincarnation.

 

Astrology can help you assess where any jeev is on this wheel to some degree. Then when you get to the graduate level of the Earth plane reincarnation school , then if you are fortunate you come into contact with (a) Sat Guru(s) versus Maha Vishwa Guru. The Sat Guru is like your dissertation advisor on the graduate school level of reincarnation.

 

I hope that answers: "Will I remember all of my past lives?" You will remember past lives while in human form because in the Karanaloka you will be pure saccidananda vigraha also, like the Lord. So to remember past sariras and

koshas won't be part of what you will feel like thinking about or talking about

at that point in time.

 

Like when you are eight years old you think of what being a teenager will be like. However you can't conceive of at that time what kinds of thoughts will be running through your mind when you are a teenager: that you will be boy or girl crazy and have hormones slam dancing in your bloodstream to make you that way. You can't even conceive of it because developmentally your mind cannot do abstract reasoning until about age 12, according to Piaget.

 

So our mind is not totally set up now how it will be in the Karanaloka, as it also is a developmental stage, albeit a spiritual developmental stage. Cool, eh? We can imagine to some degree by our piety and yearning for the Divine.

 

We can imagine what we will be thinking about only, just as a young kid can only imagine what being a teenager and a young adult is all about, but can't actually have the emotions and feelings of one. You can see this in genius kids who graduate from college at age 15: academically they are smart but at heart they are still just kids emotionally.

 

Basically we will be immersed in spiritual emotions in the Karanaloka. Hope this was helpful!

[Guest guest]

 

There are many beautiful intermediate levels on which the soul can live between Earth planet and Karanaloka. For example if you love very purely

and feel connected to others on a deeply spiritual level, there are councils

of Antarloka beings who serve as intermediaries between the Bhu Loka and the Karana Loka.

 

Would this describe beings like Narada Muni?

 

 

How they relate is telepathically. And also in Goloka Vrndavana, in Braj Mandala it is very crucial for Srimati Radharani, for example, to have Gopi

friends and manjaris who are so telepathic with Her that their minds can all

be in synch. Such as when She is sneaking around in the forest at night you

cannot be talking, the service must all be very telepathic: having one mind

and one goal and hearts all in synch.

 

So I hope this helps put your mind at ease: that if you do feel very strongly

connected with someone, then who knows perhaps you will be doing service together either on the Antarloka or the Karanaloka. A new spin on the phrase

"Best friends forever!" or "Love you forever!" The main thing is it will be very natural situation. Plus Krsna fulfills all of His devotees' desires, so if you have a desire then He is bound and obliged to fulfill it.

 

beautiful..!! you have given me a lot to digest!

 

I know in Vaikuntha Planets, we enjoy with the Lord as individual devotees, so we will also be relating to each other as individuals I would expect. The Gopis for example do not think of themselves as ONE Gopi, but react to each other in relationship, no? So Vaikuntha is a place of relationships, pure relationships, where there will be no false barriers between us. Am I correct?

 

 

Above the crown chakra [the entrance to the Karanaloka] there are 32 more

chakras. This would correspond with the different stages of bhakti and how the soul develops its bhakti-lata-bija [devotional creeper]. Even when you enter the perfectional stage then there are more and more subtle stages.

 

I would really like to learn more about these 32 chakras. I have not heard this exact number before. I have read somewhere about 7 Chakras above Sahasrara, but not much detail was given.

 

This brings up another question. When we reach Vaikuntha/Karanaloka, our spiritual evolution will still be continuing - these 32 higher chakras would seem to indicate that? so it's like an eternal growth and ever-expanding into deeper levels of awareness and devotion?

[Guest guest]

I agree with everything you said. I think you already know this stuff intuitively pretty much, n'cest pas? From having studied it in previous lifetimes, no doubt [smile].

 

By the Antarloka beings I meant the devas and all the countless beings in that realm.

 

Yes, individual gopis of course. By "one mind" I meant like even in this world you have some people that you really click with, or people who get the same idea at the same time as you, or you both have complementary experiences that can help each other deal with life; sort of like "great minds think alike!"

 

The 32 chakras above the sahasrara are described in the Vaisnava literaturea also by the Goswamis in particular but they do not call it chakras, they call it the various stages of increasing devotion and devotional symptoms. Also known as the higher stages of devotion.

 

Same thing, different names/ words for it. In all of the traditions the idea is there; just how they categorize it is how the number varies. In devotional Buddhism they count it as 32 chakras. I'll worry about it more how many chakras there are when I get to that stage [ha] [smile].

 

The main thing is for now, just to be aware that there are also chakras above the sahasrara, because when you start getting up into ajna shakra and visuddha chakra some people can get like, "Wow I am almost there!" But maybe it is like wow you almost graduated from middle school, not college or grad school. So whatever the number is, just be amazed that there is always more to learn and realize and grow. And that's really nice! [i think].

 

If even the material universe is expanding, then why shouldn't the spiritual universe and what we learn there be constantly expanding also? I think that

is in Brahma Samhita and the Goswamis literatures, too, confirning that.

 

Even on the gross bodily platform it is true: if you don't keep on learning new things as you get older, then you will just go senile more easily. So probably our Istha Devata doesn't want a bunch of spiritually senile people around Him/Her all day long; what fun would that be? It's more fun to hang out with smart people if you are smart.

 

Well sounds like you've got it all covered! Nice talking to you...! Pranams!

Say hello to the Lord for me when you get there! [smile]

[Guest guest]

Body is very important for us in our world before we come back to Krishna. Or we'll lack time to finish our trip this time. From ShangHai. Hare-bol~

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[Guest guest]

Actually, from an objective stance, the logic of Hinduism would cause one to conclude that a reunion with Brahma would lead to a complete dissolution of the self. If the universe fell from Vishnu's sweat pores, a single atman's achievement of moksha from samsara would be like a water molecule drifting back into the ocean. It is pleasant to think of this reunion as similar to a paradise with a perfect projection of the self, but in truth, this belief is only wishful thinking. In Hinduism, there is no self. There is only the great underlying one. Interesting, right?