OM NAMAH SIVAYA

its funny you post on this as i was just thinking about this. to me
this is where Amma's words about having faith help me. i personally
think it is not possible to explain or understand that which is
unlimited(Divine Mother) with our limited capacity(or mine anyway).
Muktimaa once wrote, "words are at BEST a mere reflection of
Truth." Truth, Ma, Energy is the One. it is the essence of the
many. just as lemons are the essence of lemonade. grapes are the
essence of wine. but lemonade is not the same as lemons. and wine
is not the same as grapes. they have other ingredients as well. to
me in the same way the energy of God is our essence but we have
other ingredients, namely the mind and the ego (that i know for sure
as i am long on both.) so for me when i pray it is really
my "other" praying to my essence. prayer must be something because
if it wasn't it would be nothing. prayer IS more than nothing. and
once i know it's something all i can do is have faith as Amma says.

JAI MA

--- In Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, GeorgeSon <leokomor@y...> wrote:
> Dear One(s):
>
> Much of the collective energy of this List based Satsang is
directed toward praying.
>
> In Advaita Vedanta it is contended that the one unit is appearing
as the many.
>
> Amma says in the Deccan Herald (a Bangalore Newspaper) Sunday May
1, 2005)
>
> " "I don't think of myself as doing things for people, I am not
separate, I am like the limbs of the body, if I come to the aid of
the unfortunate, it's really like one hand caressing the other when
it hurts. I teach my children to be prepared to do anything."
>
> So when we pray to Amma to stop a hurricane who is praying to
whom? How is She different from the wind, rain and the victims on
the ground. How is the Divine Mother separate from even a virus
like West Nile? We in our ignorant condition feel that we are down
here and She is up there. The deluded ones (myself very much
included) cry for help. Who is crying to whom?
>
> With Love,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Eric:

Your explanation was quite articulate. I appreciate your insight.

The lemon and grape example you offer can be meditated upon.

Amma starts evey Satsang bowing to everyone in the hall. This is
because She see's "us" as brahman or pure consciousness manifesting
as objects. Amma sees the unity in diversity. We are part and
parcel of Her holy limbs.

There is no doubt that Amma or any Realized Mahatma is in-
comprehensible to personages (like me)tormented by the MIND/BODY/EGO
complex. Swami Vivekananda aptly called this the "apparent man" Who
then is Real?

I sm walking about in a daze within a mirage.

Nevetheless Brahman is Brahman. Brahman alone Is. Ouspensky
said "EVERYTHING IS" Cutting edge quantum physics unification
theorists are scientifically validating the ancient Rishis and the Rg
Veda's claims.

Gold is gold. We may make it into a ring. Another may craft gold
into a bracelet. Some dental crowns are made of gold. Onc
can view gold as representing terror if viewed to be a golden sword
or golden bullet. Melt them down, Eric. What remains?

A lemon, a grape and/or a human body are primarily composed of H2O.
Go deeper and you will find that within their sub-stratum they are
consciousness or Chit. "Chit" is appearing as the many.
Consciousness is appearing as grape, lemon and gold, as well as you
and I.

Brahman alone is. Amma alone is.

So ... for practical purposes plumber John will interact with
customer GeorgeSon. If GeorgeSon needs a plumber I will not call a
gardener. If my sink backs up I need a plumber. This and that must
be done for practical purposes. I cannot sit in my bedroom
meditating 24/7. A job is necessary to pay the plumber etc etc.

We need to function properly within a empirical dream.

For practical purposes we do our best within the confines of
dream/illusion.

Om Peace Peace.

GeorgeSon


--- In Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "ecjensen_us" <ecjensen_us@y...>
wrote:
> OM NAMAH SIVAYA
>
> its funny you post on this as i was just thinking about this. to
me
> this is where Amma's words about having faith help me. i
personally
> think it is not possible to explain or understand that which is
> unlimited(Divine Mother) with our limited capacity(or mine
anyway).
> Muktimaa once wrote, "words are at BEST a mere reflection of
> Truth." Truth, Ma, Energy is the One. it is the essence of the
> many. just as lemons are the essence of lemonade. grapes are the
> essence of wine. but lemonade is not the same as lemons. and wine
> is not the same as grapes. they have other ingredients as well.
to
> me in the same way the energy of God is our essence but we have
> other ingredients, namely the mind and the ego (that i know for
sure
> as i am long on both.) so for me when i pray it is really
> my "other" praying to my essence. prayer must be something because
> if it wasn't it would be nothing. prayer IS more than nothing. and
> once i know it's something all i can do is have faith as Amma says.
>
> JAI MA
>
> --- In Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, GeorgeSon <leokomor@y...> wrote:
> > Dear One(s):
> >
> > Much of the collective energy of this List based Satsang is
> directed toward praying.
> >
> > In Advaita Vedanta it is contended that the one unit is appearing
> as the many.
> >
> > Amma says in the Deccan Herald (a Bangalore Newspaper) Sunday May
> 1, 2005)
> >
> > " "I don't think of myself as doing things for people, I am not
> separate, I am like the limbs of the body, if I come to the aid of
> the unfortunate, it's really like one hand caressing the other when
> it hurts. I teach my children to be prepared to do anything."
> >
> > So when we pray to Amma to stop a hurricane who is praying to
> whom? How is She different from the wind, rain and the victims on
> the ground. How is the Divine Mother separate from even a virus
> like West Nile? We in our ignorant condition feel that we are down
> here and She is up there. The deluded ones (myself very much
> included) cry for help. Who is crying to whom?
> >
> > With Love,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
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