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12-29-2004, 07:07 PM

The goings-on at the ashram of Mata Amritanandamayi Devi, known to the world as
the “hugging mother” and the subject of a television documentary on BBC TV, were
also in the news recently. It is said that she hugs people and passes on to them
‘energy’. Reportedly she has hugged and healed some 20 million people all over
the world as part of her mission. Last year grand five-day celebrations were
organised on her 50th birth anniversary at Kochi which was attended not only by
the then PM and DPM but many disciples from other countries.
Only a few months back one came across an appeal sent by the PUCL, Kerala
requesting people to save the life of a writer and a rationalist leader, Sreeni
Pattathanam, against whom the Kerala Government had passed an inhuman order. A
book written by him in Malayalam way back in 1985 [Mata Amritanandamayi : Divya
Kathakalum Yathar-thyavum (Mata Amritanandamayi: Sacred Stories and Realities)
Mass Publications, Kollam, Kerala, revised edn.], had caused the police to swing
into action.
According to the petition drafted by the PUCL, Kerala the book had questioned
the veracity of the mutt’s claims to miracles and had stated that there have
been many suspicious deaths in and around her ashram, which need police
investigation. Interestingly the painstaking research work contained elaborate
references to court records, newspaper reports and quotations from well-known
literary figures, including statements from the mutt’s close relatives, as well
as an interview with Mata Amritanandamayi herself. Interestingly, when the book
was published there was no demand from the mut for prosecuting the author.

"B. Arun Raj" wrote

ear Yogaman,

I am not quite sure of this info, but few devotees i know from cohcin, say they
saw Amma running to the balcony, and taking off Her sari shawl threw it into the
water, and the water stopped flowing and sea started receding.

The no. of people in the the ashram area and nearby was above 10,000 at that
time. the death toll in the whole state of kollam is 142 as of now.

Namah Sivaya!
In Amma,
arun

----- Original Message -----
From: childofdevi
To: Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 6:54 AM
Subject: [Ammachi] Re: Mata's Prediction

--- In Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "B. Arun Raj" wrote:
> Aum Amriteswaryai Namah!
>
> Dear friend,
>
> If you are not a follower of Ammachi, what are you doing in this
list for followers?
>
> Pls read the below account of events preceding the event of tsunami
hitting the beach near Amritapuri.
> There were more than 10, 000 devotees from outside of the ashram

This is really a miracle. 10,000 people within the ashram which is
located right on the sea shore and not one person died. A few hundred
people living outside of the ashram and most of them died. What
further testimony regarding Amma's divinity is needed.

-yogaman

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

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12-30-2004, 01:23 AM

Aum Amriteswaryai Namah!

All the material in the book are speculations, opinions and data all of which
are presented without sufficient study. All the opinions collected were ONLY
from those people who were opposed to Amma, and the growth of Her Ashram.
Moreorless, the book is an archive of rumours, speculation and misinformation.

Which court in the human world can explain phenomena that occur around Amma?

My only suggestion to my friend is not to waste our time of these trivial
issues... pls take ur list of rumours, speculations and misinformation somewhere
else.

Namah Sivaya!

s c wrote:

The goings-on at the ashram of Mata Amritanandamayi Devi, known to the world as
the “hugging mother” and the subject of a television documentary on BBC TV, were
also in the news recently. It is said that she hugs people and passes on to them
‘energy’. Reportedly she has hugged and healed some 20 million people all over
the world as part of her mission. Last year grand five-day celebrations were
organised on her 50th birth anniversary at Kochi which was attended not only by
the then PM and DPM but many disciples from other countries.
Only a few months back one came across an appeal sent by the PUCL, Kerala
requesting people to save the life of a writer and a rationalist leader, Sreeni
Pattathanam, against whom the Kerala Government had passed an inhuman order. A
book written by him in Malayalam way back in 1985 [Mata Amritanandamayi : Divya
Kathakalum Yathar-thyavum (Mata Amritanandamayi: Sacred Stories and Realities)
Mass Publications, Kollam, Kerala, revised edn.], had caused the police to swing
into action.
According to the petition drafted by the PUCL, Kerala the book had questioned
the veracity of the mutt’s claims to miracles and had stated that there have
been many suspicious deaths in and around her ashram, which need police
investigation. Interestingly the painstaking research work contained elaborate
references to court records, newspaper reports and quotations from well-known
literary figures, including statements from the mutt’s close relatives, as well
as an interview with Mata Amritanandamayi herself. Interestingly, when the book
was published there was no demand from the mut for prosecuting the author.

"B. Arun Raj" wrote

ear Yogaman,

I am not quite sure of this info, but few devotees i know from cohcin, say they
saw Amma running to the balcony, and taking off Her sari shawl threw it into the
water, and the water stopped flowing and sea started receding.

The no. of people in the the ashram area and nearby was above 10,000 at that
time. the death toll in the whole state of kollam is 142 as of now.

Namah Sivaya!
In Amma,
arun

----- Original Message -----
From: childofdevi
To: Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 6:54 AM
Subject: [Ammachi] Re: Mata's Prediction

--- In Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "B. Arun Raj" wrote:
> Aum Amriteswaryai Namah!
>
> Dear friend,
>
> If you are not a follower of Ammachi, what are you doing in this
list for followers?
>
> Pls read the below account of events preceding the event of tsunami
hitting the beach near Amritapuri.
> There were more than 10, 000 devotees from outside of the ashram

This is really a miracle. 10,000 people within the ashram which is
located right on the sea shore and not one person died. A few hundred
people living outside of the ashram and most of them died. What
further testimony regarding Amma's divinity is needed.

-yogaman

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

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12-30-2004, 01:24 AM

well I have a comment.. I have no idea why you joined
this list, except to discredit Amma in the midst of
some of her most ardent devotees. Surely there's a
Rationalist Yahoogroup you can join.

As moderator I am reluctant to reject postings unless
they have nothing whatsoever to do with Amma. and I
won't boot anyone from this list unless they joined
with the specific purpose of spamming.

Keval

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12-30-2004, 05:39 AM

These rationalists and communists are the biggest morons; the true
spirit of communism is to serve selflessly and to share unselfishly;
taken from that sense Amma is the ONLY true communist in kerala. The
rest are just plain opportunists looking to pilfer from the people.

I come from Amma's village, so I know a lot worse comments and
opinions circulate among the local people; which are far removed from
any truth nearly as far as I can tell. I too have a questioning mind
and am not willing to take things on blind faith - a healthy
skepticism is a very good thing and I have to say from time to time,
Amma has consistently removed all my doubts. In a few personal
instances, she has demonstrated her omniscience and I dont need the
second-hand opinion of people whose sole intention is to rake up
controversy(eg Sreeni Pattathanam).

There is another famous rationalist that goes by the name of Abraham
Kovoor; some of his attempts to explain away religions experiences
are plainly ridiculous and I wont go into more detail. Truthfully
speaking, these rationalists should be called "irrationalists" coz
really thats what they are.

There is a famous parable I think by Ramakrishna : an old man and a
child were walking with a donkey; some people on seeing them commented
that how stupid they were because one of them could have ridden the
donkey. So know the child rides on the donkey; on seeing this some
people commented how cruel the child is because he is making the old
man walk. So now the child walks and the old man rides on the donkey;
now some people commented how cruel the old man was because he was
making a small child walk.

So no matter what you do, there will always be critics. So when
10,000 people were saved, people still question why the neighbouring
villages were not spared. Now suppose that the neighbouring villages
were also saved, the same critics would say, well why did not Amma
save all the people in other parts of the world. NOW suppose again
that everybody was saved, they would say, now why did Amma let the
tsunami happen in the first place LOL.

And even during the times of Jesus or Krishna, there were earthquakes
and calamities around where they lived; can I then conclude that
Jesus and Krishna were fakes?

As to why so many people died, I dont have any answer and it is truly
sad. I find it remarkable that there was no catastrophe in the ashram
considerig how heavily occupied it was.

-yogaman

--- In Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, s c wrote:
>
> The goings-on at the ashram of Mata Amritanandamayi Devi, known to
the world as the "hugging mother" and the subject of a television
documentary on BBC TV, were also in the news recently. It is said
that she hugs people and passes on to them `energy'. Reportedly she
has hugged and healed some 20 million people all over the world as
part of her mission. Last year grand five-day celebrations were
organised on her 50th birth anniversary at Kochi which was attended
not only by the then PM and DPM but many disciples from other
countries.
> Only a few months back one came across an appeal sent by the PUCL,
Kerala requesting people to save the life of a writer and a
rationalist leader, Sreeni Pattathanam, against whom the Kerala
Government had passed an inhuman order. A book written by him in
Malayalam way back in 1985 [Mata Amritanandamayi : Divya Kathakalum
Yathar-thyavum (Mata Amritanandamayi: Sacred Stories and Realities)
Mass Publications, Kollam, Kerala, revised edn.], had caused the
police to swing into action.
> According to the petition drafted by the PUCL, Kerala the book had
questioned the veracity of the mutt's claims to miracles and had
stated that there have been many suspicious deaths in and around her
ashram, which need police investigation. Interestingly the
painstaking research work contained elaborate references to court
records, newspaper reports and quotations from well-known literary
figures, including statements from the mutt's close relatives, as
well as an interview with Mata Amritanandamayi herself.
Interestingly, when the book was published there was no demand from
the mut for prosecuting the author.

12-30-2004, 09:45 AM

Om Namah Shivayah,

Keval, I'm glad you're so supportive of free speech.
Over the last few years there have been a few negative
postings about Amma on this list. In the past it
really bothered me, but now that I have directly
experienced so many miracles through Her grace in my
own life, these kinds of postings just open my heart.
I think it's natural for people to be wary of large
gatherings of people in the name of spirituality. No
one can deny that this little planet has seen a lot of
abuse in the name of God. One time I asked Amma how to
deal with my doubts about Her and the organization in
general, and She told me to go ahead and question
everything until I had no more doubts. She said that
we should never blindly believe something until we
have a direct experience. With constant spiritual
practice we gain the experiences that open us to grace
and help us build faith. So my advice to any in doubt
is, go ahead and question. Amma has nothing to hide.
She is just here to spread love and peace, to nurture
compassion and humility in the hearts of Her devotees,
and to set an example of what greatness we can all
reach when we open our hearts.

love,

Prajna

--- Mike Brooker wrote:

>
> well I have a comment.. I have no idea why you
> joined
> this list, except to discredit Amma in the midst of
> some of her most ardent devotees. Surely there's a
> Rationalist Yahoogroup you can join.
>
> As moderator I am reluctant to reject postings
> unless
> they have nothing whatsoever to do with Amma. and I
> won't boot anyone from this list unless they joined
> with the specific purpose of spamming.
>
> Keval
>
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12-30-2004, 09:55 AM

Perhaps those in the ashram were unharmed because of
the pure energy raised there by the constant prayer
and selfless action of the devotees, and the holiness
of that land, and not because Amma was playing
favorites with the other people of South Asia. It
would be interesting to know how other holy places in
the Tsunami's wake were affected.

love,

Prajna

--- childofdevi wrote:

>
> These rationalists and communists are the biggest
> morons; the true
> spirit of communism is to serve selflessly and to
> share unselfishly;
> taken from that sense Amma is the ONLY true
> communist in kerala. The
> rest are just plain opportunists looking to pilfer
> from the people.
>
> I come from Amma's village, so I know a lot worse
> comments and
> opinions circulate among the local people; which are
> far removed from
> any truth nearly as far as I can tell. I too have a
> questioning mind
> and am not willing to take things on blind faith - a
> healthy
> skepticism is a very good thing and I have to say
> from time to time,
> Amma has consistently removed all my doubts. In a
> few personal
> instances, she has demonstrated her omniscience and
> I dont need the
> second-hand opinion of people whose sole intention
> is to rake up
> controversy(eg Sreeni Pattathanam).
>
> There is another famous rationalist that goes by the
> name of Abraham
> Kovoor; some of his attempts to explain away
> religions experiences
> are plainly ridiculous and I wont go into more
> detail. Truthfully
> speaking, these rationalists should be called
> "irrationalists" coz
> really thats what they are.
>
> There is a famous parable I think by Ramakrishna :
> an old man and a
> child were walking with a donkey; some people on
> seeing them commented
> that how stupid they were because one of them could
> have ridden the
> donkey. So know the child rides on the donkey; on
> seeing this some
> people commented how cruel the child is because he
> is making the old
> man walk. So now the child walks and the old man
> rides on the donkey;
> now some people commented how cruel the old man was
> because he was
> making a small child walk.
>
> So no matter what you do, there will always be
> critics. So when
> 10,000 people were saved, people still question why
> the neighbouring
> villages were not spared. Now suppose that the
> neighbouring villages
> were also saved, the same critics would say, well
> why did not Amma
> save all the people in other parts of the world. NOW
> suppose again
> that everybody was saved, they would say, now why
> did Amma let the
> tsunami happen in the first place LOL.
>
> And even during the times of Jesus or Krishna, there
> were earthquakes
> and calamities around where they lived; can I then
> conclude that
> Jesus and Krishna were fakes?
>
> As to why so many people died, I dont have any
> answer and it is truly
> sad. I find it remarkable that there was no
> catastrophe in the ashram
> considerig how heavily occupied it was.
>
> -yogaman
>
> --- In Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, s c
> wrote:
> >
> > The goings-on at the ashram of Mata
> Amritanandamayi Devi, known to
> the world as the "hugging mother" and the subject of
> a television
> documentary on BBC TV, were also in the news
> recently. It is said
> that she hugs people and passes on to them `energy'.
> Reportedly she
> has hugged and healed some 20 million people all
> over the world as
> part of her mission. Last year grand five-day
> celebrations were
> organised on her 50th birth anniversary at Kochi
> which was attended
> not only by the then PM and DPM but many disciples
> from other
> countries.
> > Only a few months back one came across an appeal
> sent by the PUCL,
> Kerala requesting people to save the life of a
> writer and a
> rationalist leader, Sreeni Pattathanam, against whom
> the Kerala
> Government had passed an inhuman order. A book
> written by him in
> Malayalam way back in 1985 [Mata Amritanandamayi :
> Divya Kathakalum
> Yathar-thyavum (Mata Amritanandamayi: Sacred Stories
> and Realities)
> Mass Publications, Kollam, Kerala, revised edn.],
> had caused the
> police to swing into action.
> > According to the petition drafted by the PUCL,
> Kerala the book had
> questioned the veracity of the mutt's claims to
> miracles and had
> stated that there have been many suspicious deaths
> in and around her
> ashram, which need police investigation.
> Interestingly the
> painstaking research work contained elaborate
> references to court
> records, newspaper reports and quotations from
> well-known literary
> figures, including statements from the mutt's close
> relatives, as
> well as an interview with Mata Amritanandamayi
> herself.
> Interestingly, when the book was published there was
> no demand from
> the mut for prosecuting the author.
>
>
>
>
>

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01-01-2005, 05:15 AM

--- In Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prajna - Brianna
wrote:
> Perhaps those in the ashram were unharmed because of
> the pure energy raised there by the constant prayer
> and selfless action of the devotees, and the holiness
> of that land, ..... It would be interesting to know how other holy
places in the Tsunami's wake were affected.
>
> love,

> Prajna

Prajna,

Apparently "the south eastern tip of india is home to some very holy
places of Shaivism. Being buffered by Sri Lanka, they witnessed the
pre-tsunami water recession, but not the subsequent wave of
destruction... it was viewed as divine protection by many."

Not affected areas are Rameshwaram (Shiva's temple) and Tiruchendur
(Murgan's temple) The sea water went back a kilometer inside the
sea and did not flood the temple even though it damaged other
places.

Ofcourse both these temples are centuries old and the priests and
trustees follow a very strict code - simple, unstiched garments,
strict vegetarian food - no garlic, onion or beans. No TV, internet
or films.

Here are some pictures from Sri Lanka.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/4139739.stm

01-04-2005, 11:18 AM

thanks, this was good to know.
--- anamikafisher wrote:

>
> --- In Ammachi (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prajna - Brianna
>
> wrote:
> > Perhaps those in the ashram were unharmed because
> of
> > the pure energy raised there by the constant
> prayer
> > and selfless action of the devotees, and the
> holiness
> > of that land, ..... It would be interesting to
> know how other holy
> places in the Tsunami's wake were affected.
> >
> > love,
>
> > Prajna
>
>
> Prajna,
>
> Apparently "the south eastern tip of india is home
> to some very holy
> places of Shaivism. Being buffered by Sri Lanka,
> they witnessed the
> pre-tsunami water recession, but not the subsequent
> wave of
> destruction... it was viewed as divine protection by
> many."
>
> Not affected areas are Rameshwaram (Shiva's temple)
> and Tiruchendur
> (Murgan's temple) The sea water went back a
> kilometer inside the
> sea and did not flood the temple even though it
> damaged other
> places.
>
> Ofcourse both these temples are centuries old and
> the priests and
> trustees follow a very strict code - simple,
> unstiched garments,
> strict vegetarian food - no garlic, onion or beans.
> No TV, internet
> or films.
>
> Here are some pictures from Sri Lanka.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/4139739.stm
>
>
>
>

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