Re: [HarshaSatsangh - Ramana Guru] To see a light, no other light is needed.

01-30-2005, 12:01 PM

Harsha wrote:

>*From Atma Bodha, verse 29 (From Bhagavan's translation to Tamil from
>Sanskrit - see the Collected Works).
>
>"To see a light, no other light is needed.
>So also, the Self being self-effulgent, needs no other means of knowledge.
>It shines of itself."*
>
>
There's another translation of that verse, presented on
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iam/message/4774

> (1) Like the way (we) do not desire (to hold) another lamp
> to clarify the form of a lamp,
> (2) the (self-) shining Self that is(!) of the form of (Supreme)
> Intelligence, to know (It)self,
> will not happen to require another intelligence.
>
> Translation
>
> of Sri Bhagawan's Tamil Atma Bodha verse 29
>
> Yours in Sri Bhagawan
> RK Shankar

The translation "To see a light, no other light is needed" is incorrect.
Many stars have to form in a series, fusing elements starting with
hydrogen and exploding after a lifetime, before creatures composed of
the formed elements can evolve, actually seeing light and that without
light first (star light) no light can be seen at all.

Peace,
Jan

01-30-2005, 12:38 PM

ecirada wrote:

>
>
> The translation "To see a light, no other light is needed" is incorrect.
> Many stars have to form in a series, fusing elements starting with
> hydrogen and exploding after a lifetime, before creatures composed of
> the formed elements can evolve, actually seeing light and that without
> light first (star light) no light can be seen at all.
>
> Peace,
> Jan
>
Good point Jan. Sri Ramana was simply indicating that Self-Knowing does
not require a medium separate from itself to know it self. The words
always fall short of Silence. As far as which translation is better, I
have no idea but got mine from the "Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi"
that is published by Ramanashram and it was translated by Professor K.
Swaminathan. Good enough for me! Also it made sense to me! :-).

Harsha

01-30-2005, 01:06 PM

Harsha wrote:

>ecirada wrote:
>
>
>
>>The translation "To see a light, no other light is needed" is incorrect.
>>Many stars have to form in a series, fusing elements starting with
>>hydrogen and exploding after a lifetime, before creatures composed of
>>the formed elements can evolve, actually seeing light and that without
>>light first (star light) no light can be seen at all.
>>
>>Peace,
>>Jan
>>
>>
>>
>Good point Jan. Sri Ramana was simply indicating that Self-Knowing does
>not require a medium separate from itself to know it self. The words
>always fall short of Silence. As far as which translation is better, I
>have no idea but got mine from the "Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi"
>that is published by Ramanashram and it was translated by Professor K.
>Swaminathan. Good enough for me! Also it made sense to me! :-).
>
>Harsha
>
>
I also understood what Ramana meant and knowing he expressed himself
concisely always, sought for the translation showing that beyond doubt.
I could have remarked as well that to see (physical) light, light (of
awareness) is needed.
:-)
Jan