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1. Re: humour only (David Rose)

2. Re: humour only (Christopher Cleirigh)

3. Re: humour only and reading models (Bill & Rose Winser)

4. Re: humour only and reading models (David Rose)

 

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Message: 1

Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:14:45 +1000

David Rose <d.rose

d.rose

Organization: University of Sydney

Christopher.Cleirigh

Cc: sys-func

Re: [sys-func] humour only

 

It may be funny, but its also a brilliant illustration of why phonics is

such a misguided approach to teaching early literacy - sequences of

meaning are far more important for reading words than sequences of

lettering. If they know a text well orally, kids can read English words

like Chinese, uing just first ketters to recognise wrds in sequence.

 

I wndoer wihc rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy?

 

David

 

ChRIS CLEiRIGh wrote:

> Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it

> deosn't mttaer in waht

> oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt

> tihng is taht the frist

> and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.

> The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it

> wouthit porbelm.

> Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey

> lteter by istlef, but the

> wrod as a wlohe.

>

> amzanig huh?

>

>

>

>

>

> :-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:

>

> Hofstadter's Law:

>

> It always take longer than you expect,

> even when you take into account

> Hofstadter's Law.

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Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:16:57 +1000

Christopher Cleirigh <Christopher.Cleirigh

Re: [sys-func] humour only

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This was one of two English versions whizzing around the net last week; the

other replaced 'Cambridge' with an 'English'. There are also French, Spanish &

German versions I believe. It's already been listed on an 'urban legends'

website. Given the spelling of 'iprmoetnt' and 'rscheearch', I'd guess it was

the brainchild of an engineering student.

:-)

 

 

 

Dr Chris Cleirigh

Centre For Language & Literacy

Faculty of Education

UTS

 

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David Rose <d.rose

Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:14 am

Re: [sys-func] humour only

> It may be funny, but its also a brilliant illustration of why

> phonics is

> such a misguided approach to teaching early literacy - sequences of

> meaning are far more important for reading words than sequences of

> lettering. If they know a text well orally, kids can read English

> words

> like Chinese, uing just first ketters to recognise wrds in sequence.

>

> I wndoer wihc rscheearch at C

mabrigde Uinervtisy?

>

> David

>

> ChRIS CLEiRIGh wrote:

>

> > Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it

> > deosn't mttaer in waht

> > oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt

> > tihng is taht the frist

> > and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.

> > The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it

> > wouthit porbelm.

> > Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey

> > lteter by istlef, but the

> > wrod as a wlohe.

> >

> > amzanig huh?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > :-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:

> >

> > Hofstadter's Law:

> >

> > It always take longer than you expect,

> > even when you take into account

> > Hofstadter's Law.

> >

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> University of Sydney

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Re: [sys-func] humour only and reading models

Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:03:14 +0930

 

I've been reading with a 3 year old for a while now, and the other day we

collaboratively wrote a note, explaining that we were going out. When I took

it to her parents she promptly picked it up and read it to them - not

precisely word for word, but, in line with David's comment, with a well

constructed meaning pattern ie., textually it was fine.

Martin and I are at present battling with the problem of how beginning

readers can read aloud, handling syllable patterns perfectly well, and doing

it meaningfully, while getting advice from (well meaning) teachers that is

the opposite of what they are doing. The assumption made usually runs along

the lines that the speech patterns (which children can handle) 'consist of

sequences of relatively discrete sounds' (Martin) which the child knows is

not true. And then there is the question of how you tell where a syllable

begins and ends, with another little delight: what about the child uttering

both segmental phonemes and supra-segmental elements simultaneously (Martin

again)?

Djavagudwiken?

Cheers,

Bill Winser.

University of Adelaide.

-

"David Rose" <d.rose

<Christopher.Cleirigh

Cc: <sys-func

Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:44 AM

Re: [sys-func] humour only

 

> It may be funny, but its also a brilliant illustration of why phonics is

> such a misguided approach to teaching early literacy - sequences of

> meaning are far more important for reading words than sequences of

> lettering. If they know a text well orally, kids can read English words

> like Chinese, uing just first ketters to recognise wrds in sequence.

>

> I wndoer wihc rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy?

>

> David

>

> ChRIS CLEiRIGh wrote:

>

> > Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it

> > deosn't mttaer in waht

> > oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt

> > tihng is taht the frist

> > and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.

> > The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it

> > wouthit porbelm.

> > Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey

> > lteter by istlef, but the

> > wrod as a wlohe.

> >

> > amzanig huh?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > :-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:

> >

> > Hofstadter's Law:

> >

> > It always take longer than you expect,

> > even when you take into account

> > Hofstadter's Law.

> >

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> --

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> Faculty of Education

> University of Sydney

> 02 9816 2893

> 0408 487 086

>

>

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Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:44:48 +1000

David Rose <d.rose

d.rose

Organization: University of Sydney

Bill & Rose Winser <biro

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Re: [sys-func] humour only and reading models

 

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Bill<br>

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Sounds good.  The next step for your 3 year old is one-fr-one word

recognition,

which is also possible without spelling.<br>

<br>

David<br>

<br>

Bill & Rose Winser wrote:<br>

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<pre wrap="">I've been reading with a 3 year old for a while now, and the

other day we

collaboratively wrote a note, explaining that we were going out. When I took

it to her parents she promptly picked it up and read it to them - not

precisely word for word, but, in line with David's comment, with a well

constructed meaning pattern ie., textually it was fine.

Martin and I are at present battling with the problem of how beginning

readers can read aloud, handling syllable patterns perfectly well, and doing

it meaningfully, while getting advice from (well meaning) teachers that is

the opposite of what they are doing. The assumption made usually runs along

the lines that the speech patterns (which children can handle) 'consist of

sequences of relatively discrete sounds' (Martin) which the child knows is

not true. And then there is the question of how you tell where a syllable

begins and ends, with another little delight: what about the child uttering

both segmental phonemes and supra-segmental elements simultaneously (Martin

again)?

Djavagudwiken?

Cheers,

Bill Winser.

University of Adelaide.

-

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<pre wrap="">It may be funny, but its also a brilliant illustration of why

phonics is

such a misguided approach to teaching early literacy - sequences of

meaning are far more important for reading words than sequences of

lettering. If they know a text well orally, kids can read English words

like Chinese, uing just first ketters to recognise wrds in sequence.

 

I wndoer wihc rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy?

 

David

 

ChRIS CLEiRIGh wrote:

 

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<pre wrap="">Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it

deosn't mttaer in waht

oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt

tihng is taht the frist

and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.

The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it

wouthit porbelm.

Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey

lteter by istlef, but the

wrod as a wlohe.

 

amzanig huh?

 

 

 

 

 

:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:

 

Hofstadter's Law:

 

It always take longer than you expect,

even when you take into account

Hofstadter's Law.

 

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