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Today's Topics:

1. Re: humour only (David Rose)
2. Re: humour only (Christopher Cleirigh)
3. Re: humour only and reading models (Bill & Rose Winser)
4. Re: humour only and reading models (David Rose)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:14:45 +1000
From: David Rose <d.rose@...>
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Organization: University of Sydney
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Subject: Re: [Sys-func] humour only

It may be funny, but its also a brilliant illustration of why phonics is
such a misguided approach to teaching early literacy - sequences of
meaning are far more important for reading words than sequences of
lettering. If they know a text well orally, kids can read English words
like Chinese, uing just first ketters to recognise wrds in sequence.

I wndoer wihc rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy?

David

ChRIS CLEiRIGh wrote:

> Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it
> deosn't mttaer in waht
> oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt
> tihng is taht the frist
> and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.
> The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it
> wouthit porbelm.
> Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
> lteter by istlef, but the
> wrod as a wlohe.
>
> amzanig huh?
>
>
>
>
>
> :-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:
>
> Hofstadter's Law:
>
> It always take longer than you expect,
> even when you take into account
> Hofstadter's Law.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:16:57 +1000
From: Christopher Cleirigh <Christopher.Cleirigh@...>
Subject: Re: [Sys-func] humour only
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This was one of two English versions whizzing around the net last week; the
other replaced 'Cambridge' with an 'English'. There are also French, Spanish &
German versions I believe. It's already been listed on an 'urban legends'
website. Given the spelling of 'iprmoetnt' and 'rscheearch', I'd guess it was
the brainchild of an engineering student.
:-)



Dr Chris Cleirigh
Centre For Language & Literacy
Faculty of Education
UTS

----- Original Message -----
From: David Rose <d.rose@...>
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:14 am
Subject: Re: [Sys-func] humour only

> It may be funny, but its also a brilliant illustration of why
> phonics is
> such a misguided approach to teaching early literacy - sequences of
> meaning are far more important for reading words than sequences of
> lettering. If they know a text well orally, kids can read English
> words
> like Chinese, uing just first ketters to recognise wrds in sequence.
>
> I wndoer wihc rscheearch at C
mabrigde Uinervtisy?
>
> David
>
> ChRIS CLEiRIGh wrote:
>
> > Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it
> > deosn't mttaer in waht
> > oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt
> > tihng is taht the frist
> > and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.
> > The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it
> > wouthit porbelm.
> > Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
> > lteter by istlef, but the
> > wrod as a wlohe.
> >
> > amzanig huh?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > :-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:
> >
> > Hofstadter's Law:
> >
> > It always take longer than you expect,
> > even when you take into account
> > Hofstadter's Law.
> >
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Message: 3
From: "Bill & Rose Winser" <biro@...>
To: <d.rose@...>,
"sys-func" <sys-func@...>
Subject: Re: [Sys-func] humour only and reading models
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:03:14 +0930

I've been reading with a 3 year old for a while now, and the other day we
collaboratively wrote a note, explaining that we were going out. When I took
it to her parents she promptly picked it up and read it to them - not
precisely word for word, but, in line with David's comment, with a well
constructed meaning pattern ie., textually it was fine.
Martin and I are at present battling with the problem of how beginning
readers can read aloud, handling syllable patterns perfectly well, and doing
it meaningfully, while getting advice from (well meaning) teachers that is
the opposite of what they are doing. The assumption made usually runs along
the lines that the speech patterns (which children can handle) 'consist of
sequences of relatively discrete sounds' (Martin) which the child knows is
not true. And then there is the question of how you tell where a syllable
begins and ends, with another little delight: what about the child uttering
both segmental phonemes and supra-segmental elements simultaneously (Martin
again)?
Djavagudwiken?
Cheers,
Bill Winser.
University of Adelaide.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Rose" <d.rose@...>
To: <Christopher.Cleirigh@...>
Cc: <sys-func@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Sys-func] humour only


> It may be funny, but its also a brilliant illustration of why phonics is
> such a misguided approach to teaching early literacy - sequences of
> meaning are far more important for reading words than sequences of
> lettering. If they know a text well orally, kids can read English words
> like Chinese, uing just first ketters to recognise wrds in sequence.
>
> I wndoer wihc rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy?
>
> David
>
> ChRIS CLEiRIGh wrote:
>
> > Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it
> > deosn't mttaer in waht
> > oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt
> > tihng is taht the frist
> > and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.
> > The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it
> > wouthit porbelm.
> > Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
> > lteter by istlef, but the
> > wrod as a wlohe.
> >
> > amzanig huh?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > :-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:
> >
> > Hofstadter's Law:
> >
> > It always take longer than you expect,
> > even when you take into account
> > Hofstadter's Law.
> >
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>
> --
> Dr David Rose
> Faculty of Education
> University of Sydney
> 02 9816 2893
> 0408 487 086
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:44:48 +1000
From: David Rose <d.rose@...>
Reply-To: d.rose@...
Organization: University of Sydney
To: Bill & Rose Winser <biro@...>
Cc: sys-func <sys-func@...>
Subject: Re: [Sys-func] humour only and reading models

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Bill<br>
<br>
Sounds good. &nbsp;The next step for your 3 year old is one-fr-one word
recognition,
which is also possible without spelling.<br>
<br>
David<br>
<br>
Bill &amp; Rose Winser wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">I've been reading with a 3 year old for a while now, and the
other day we
collaboratively wrote a note, explaining that we were going out. When I took
it to her parents she promptly picked it up and read it to them - not
precisely word for word, but, in line with David's comment, with a well
constructed meaning pattern ie., textually it was fine.
Martin and I are at present battling with the problem of how beginning
readers can read aloud, handling syllable patterns perfectly well, and doing
it meaningfully, while getting advice from (well meaning) teachers that is
the opposite of what they are doing. The assumption made usually runs along
the lines that the speech patterns (which children can handle) 'consist of
sequences of relatively discrete sounds' (Martin) which the child knows is
not true. And then there is the question of how you tell where a syllable
begins and ends, with another little delight: what about the child uttering
both segmental phonemes and supra-segmental elements simultaneously (Martin
again)?
Djavagudwiken?
Cheers,
Bill Winser.
University of Adelaide.
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<pre wrap="">It may be funny, but its also a brilliant illustration of why
phonics is
such a misguided approach to teaching early literacy - sequences of
meaning are far more important for reading words than sequences of
lettering. If they know a text well orally, kids can read English words
like Chinese, uing just first ketters to recognise wrds in sequence.

I wndoer wihc rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy?

David

ChRIS CLEiRIGh wrote:

</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it
deosn't mttaer in waht
oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt
tihng is taht the frist
and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.
The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it
wouthit porbelm.
Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
lteter by istlef, but the
wrod as a wlohe.

amzanig huh?





:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:-(-:-)-:

Hofstadter's Law:

It always take longer than you expect,
even when you take into account
Hofstadter's Law.

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