Tarun 6 Report post Posted July 8, 2005 rUpAdi-mattvAc ca viparyayo darzanAt from possessing colour, taste... VaizeSik's atoms have odor, touch...; and reverse, opposite; from observation 188) VaizeSik's Theory's further untenable, for its atoms have perceivable (saguN) qualities, yet opposite (nirvizeSa) is also seen in them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted July 12, 2005 ubhayathA ca doSAt = in both ways and from imbalance And there r hardships in both cases. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted July 20, 2005 aparigrahAc cAtyantam anapexA from (orthodox sages) no support, acceptance; and/so altogether, disregard 190) Atomic Theory not favored by any scholarly, scientific saint, so avoid it. Anything impersonal should b immediately rejected. That is my personal opinion. Any person wish 2 disagree? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted July 21, 2005 samudAya ubhaya-hetukepi tad aprAptiH aggregate, all objects; having 2 ccauses: external & internal; unestablished, unproven Even admitting whole aggregate has as its cause these 2 object classes, still World Order remains unexplained. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted July 27, 2005 itaretara pratyayatvAd iti - cenotpattimAtra nimittatvAt Washington Mutual = one another; from one causing other; thus if; merely of origin, production; from there being efficient cause only 192) If it b said material world is caused by Avidya's mutual causality, ZrIla Baladev VidyAbhUSaNa says no; they r only efficient causes of immediate subsequent links. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted August 1, 2005 uttarotpAde ca pUrvanirodhAt in next, subsequent; at origin, production; and preceding stoppage, cessation 193) No causal relation may exist betwixt avidyA + rest, for when next manifests, former dissolves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted August 1, 2005 asati pratijnoparodho yauga-padyam anyathA non-being, pratijnA = stated fact; uparodhaH = contradiction; stepping together; were it not so 194) If cause ceases existence when effect begins, then admitted principle that Skandhas cause universe contradicts. Otherwise cause & effect arise simultaneously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted August 4, 2005 prati-sankhyAprati-sankhyA nirodhAprAptir avicchedAt (destruction) depending upon conscious entity's volition; destruction) not depending upon any voluntary agent nirodhaH = cessation, breakdown aprapti = non-establishment; avicchedAt = no complete interruption 195) Nor can one establish 2 destruction sorts, volitional & non-volitional, for there's never any total extinction. ======= I heard all 8,400,000 species exist at all times on one planet or another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted August 5, 2005 ubhayathA ca doSAt in either case, and from objections, imbalances In both cases, there r substantial arguments, hence release idea is unestablishable. antidisestablishmentarianism? "U can't have one, u can't have 1, u can't have nor not the other." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted August 12, 2005 akAzE cAvizeSAt in space case, ether example and from no specific difference 196) Sky's absolute non-existence tenet also untenable because no difference in this case too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted September 7, 2005 anusmRtez ca from remembrance also Memory & recollection both prove things r not momentary. 2 Lewsnic and AnePi reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted September 22, 2005 nA'sato'dRSTatvAt not, of unreal, of destroyed object no longer existing; because it's not perceived 199) Of that disintegrated, there can't b persistence in cognition, for it's nowhere seen. Should first a be A or a? Similar 2 2nd chptr Gita verse... which one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted September 29, 2005 udAsInAnAm api caivaM siddhiH of persons persons indifferent + inactive; if, even and; cooked, complete, well done If things r momentary, then even inactive persons would accomplish all their objectives sans exertion ATTENTION! CALLING ALL COUCH POTATOES!!! THIS SUTRA'S 4U-U-U&U!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted October 20, 2005 nAbhAva upalabdheH not, never external objects' non-existence; due to being perceived, we r conscious of them 201) Ephemereal not without substance, 4 our senses bear testimony, witness daily. This reminds me of ZrIla PrabhupAd saying: "This temple room is beautifully decorated. If somebody says 'this is false'... no, this is not false, though it is temporary." Bob Dylan also sang Gates of Eden: "And the princess & the prince discuss what's real & what is not, It doesn't matter inside the Gates of Eden" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted November 3, 2005 vaidharmyAc ca na svapnA'divat from distinct nature and not dreamlike: hypnotic nsuggestion, mirage, illusion 202) Awake-state ideas r unlike dream-state due to different mature. In KRSNA Book VyAsadev/PrabhupAd give example: During day we may see Gold & Mountain. At night we may dream of a Golden Mountain. No such mountain exists, at least not on this planet. Everly Brothers sang: When I want u in my arms When I want u & all your charms Whenever I want u all I have 2do is DREEEEAM, dREAM dREAM dREAM... bUT IS IT A FACT? Gee wiz, I'm dreamin' my life away... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted November 3, 2005 vaidharmyAc ca na svapnA'divat from distinct nature and not dreamlike: hypnotic nsuggestion, mirage, illusion 202) Awake-state ideas r unlike dream-state due to different mature. In KRSNA Book VyAsadev/PrabhupAd give example: During day we may see Gold & Mountain. At night we may dream of a Golden Mountain. No such mountain exists, at least not on this planet. Everly Brothers sang: When I want u in my arms When I want u & all your charms Whenever I want u all I have 2do is DREEEEAM, dREAM dREAM dREAM... bUT IS IT A FACT? Gee wiz, I'm dreamin' my life away... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted November 10, 2005 na bhAvo 'nupalabdheH not, mere ideas' existence sans corresponding things or mere VAsanAs' being, because they r not perceived 203) VAsanAs DON'T exist w/o corresponding external objects; at least it's never been experienced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted November 17, 2005 xaNikattvAc ca from fleeting, transitory, brief, less than briefness and 204) VAsanAs have no permanent substratum according to/because of their (YogAcaryas') universal momentariness theory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted January 24, 2006 sarvathAnupapatez ca sarvatha = in every way; an-upapatteH = from not probable, unproven; ca = plus 205) And Void Doctrine is totally unsubstantiated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 26, 2006 I am here Tarun. And oh.... you are getting to an interesting part now! Can you save us the wait and tell us what you find in II.2.42 ( Utpattyasambhavat ) and the verses around it. Ramanuja's commentary is interesting, and he crushes Sivanananda, which is odd considering he lived a thousand years before Sivanananda. But you see I don't have this section in my damaged copy of Govinda Bhasya so do you have Baladev's commentary to Utpattyasambhavat ? - Muralidhar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted January 31, 2006 naikasmin na sambhavAt not, in one substance from impossibility These categories can't b established, for it's impossible that in one substance there may simultaneously exist opposing qualities, such as real & unreal etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted January 31, 2006 evaM cAtmAkArtsnyam thus, and, soul, not entireness, limitedness And in this Jaina view, soul becomes mutilated, losing its completeness. Jains believe soul's dimensions adjust according to occupied body size. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aupmanyav 0 Report post Posted May 2, 2006 What soul? Who partitions? It is all 'Brahman'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted May 18, 2006 Elastic Soul? to match our elastic sole slippers? 2.2.35 na ca paryAyAd apy avirodha vikArAdibhyaH 208) Nor would this contradiction be removed by ParyAya Theory, 4 then Soul would b liable/subject to change accordingly ParyAya = successive change = soul contracts & dilates (as do pupils & utter body parts) in proportion to occupied body. avirodha = non-contradiction dharmAviruddha kaunteya kAmo'smi bharataRSabha He was truly a Great Soul" ( at least 6 feet 200 lbs worth) Soul Train - the more the passengers, the longer it gets? Did Jaina Eyre have kids? If so, what size was their souls at birth? age 7? 14? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted August 24, 2006 antyAvasthitez cobhaya nityatvAd avizeSAt due to permanency/permanence; and both; being permanent; on account of being same dvaita/advaita; bheda/abheda Final condition or released state non-different from worldly state because both r eternal, so this theory untenable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites