Pritesh01 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2003 Is there a need for a guru if we belive Krishna is Jagat Guru "i belive there is is a stuti for this" if we follow his words and actions Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pritesh01 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2003 Vasudeva sutam devam, Kansa chanur mardanam, Devaki parmanandam, Krishnam vande jagat Guru. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 29, 2003 1)ask questions to krsna and wait for answers 2)how can you will became humble without anyone chastizing yourself when you're wrong? 3)if you think that krsna is jagat guru, follow His instructions to find a living spiritual master (like he did with sandipani muni) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I_love_krishna_ 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2003 that you do not need a guru if you accept chaitanya as your guru and chant and be happy. With chaitanya and krishna and also prabhupada guiding you, you don't need a guru. However, having a guru is a good thing, because he/she can answer your questions in the matters of spirituality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 29, 2003 "However, having a guru is a good thing, because he/she can answer your questions in the matters of spirituality" is it only a detail for you? /images/graemlins/smile.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted July 29, 2003 It is not a question of "having" a guru or not. You cannot be without guru in some form. Caitya-guru for example. It is a question of recognizing guru and accepting the instructions. The Lord directs each individual to his or her guru. He may emphasize on guru form more than another according to the individual. It's not that someone who serves the vapu form of guru by doing his chores etc. has more guru, is closer to guru, than one who remains 10,000 miles away serving his instructions to preach. A devotee who has received even a small fraction of the mercy of the Lord can understand Him. Others may engage in theoretical speculation to understand the Lord, but they cannot know anything about Him. Although Mahäräja Pratäparudra was very eager to see Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu, the Lord refused to see him. But when Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu saw the King engaged in menial service for Lord Jagannätha, He became very happy. Thus the King became eligible to receive Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu’s mercy. If a devotee accepts Lord Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu as the universal guru and Lord Jagannätha as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Krsna, he is benefited by the combined mercy of Krsna and guru. That is stated by Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu in His instructions to Rüpa Gosvämé (Cc. Madhya 19.151): brahmäëòa bhramite kona bhägyavän jéva guru-kåñëa-prasäde päya bhakti-latä-béja The seed of devotional service fructifies and becomes a transcendental creeper. Finally it reaches the lotus feet of the Lord in the spiritual sky. This seed is obtained by the mercy of the Lord and the guru. By the Lord’s mercy one gets the association of a bona fide guru, and by the mercy of the guru one gets a chance to render devotional service. Devotional service, the science of bhakti-yoga, carries one from this material world to the spiritual world. Madhya 13.18 purport Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 29, 2003 " It's not that someone who serves the vapu form of guru by doing his chores etc. has more guru, is closer to guru, than one who remains 10,000 miles away serving his instructions to preach." am i saying anything different? (but vapu is not optional, we cannot remain forever in the state of emergency of having only a master, srila prabhupada... if we live so far by the guru we obviously have to go on with sadhana and devotional service, but it is surely a misfortune.... krsna and balarame were living in the house of guru) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted July 29, 2003 Are you living in the house of your guru? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 29, 2003 no.. in a little tent in his garden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted July 29, 2003 Not close enough. You do not have a living guru. His house plants are closer than you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 29, 2003 i am ringing the doorbell.... thanks for the advice /images/graemlins/smile.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted July 29, 2003 If he is taking bath or not wanting to be diturbed, fret not, just go back to your tent and chant the japa he already recommended for you to chant. Doing that will solidify the connection. It's not that the door can separate you from your guru. The connection is held secure through vani. I hope you are chanting while waiting at the door. You are conscious life force. He is conscious life force. It is important to see guru as more than his temporary form, as it is important to see ourselves as more as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
