Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2003 Namaste. Whassup People, I am writing an article at the moment - and to help, I would really appreciate ANY authentic references from Hindu sacred texts referring to standards of sexual conduct as well as to alcohol and other intoxication. Thanking You, Laxman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guruvani 0 Report post Posted June 13, 2003 Actually, the Ksatriyas of Vedic times drank alcohol at certain times. After the disappearance of Lord Krishna the Yadu warriors got drunk and killed each other off. It was all a part of Lord Krishna's will to rid the world of the Yadu army which needed to be dissolved after his departure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2003 Anybody else??? I was thinking that if anybody could help me on this it would be at this website. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2003 i am agree with guruvani.... i do not remember (in srimad bhagavatam, mahabharata ecc,) things like smoke for example of course krsna eats betel nut , in some (perhaps many) temples, also in vrindavan, they offer it to the deity sex was intended to have children.... give semen was considered a religious act and to waste it surely a sin the normal behavoiur was polygamy especially ksatryas had many, many wives no sexual repression or demonization (original sin or something like that) chaste was a word used for faithful wives more than for virgins homosexuals were not emarginated, in some circumstances marriage and adoption was allowed there was prostitution... but, if we read kamasutra, they had so many saint qualities to be more similar to a guru, than a prostitute like we can see today Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Narayanidd 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 My dear spirit soul, Please accept my humble obeisances. The goal of life is to develope love of God. This is a long and arduous process. There are sciptural injunctions that help us along the way. Following the four regulative principles is one of the things to be done for purification. No eating meat,fish, or eggs No intoxication (alcohol,drugs,caffeine) No gambling No illicit sex (intercourse outside of wedlock or intercourse in wedlock other than for the procriation of children) These all sound like impossible feats but, they are sacrifices. The ultimate goal is worth fighting for. You will always appreciate attaining your goal if the way is a struggle with sacrifices. Some things are worth the sacrifices. Ultimate freedom is definately one. In Bhagavad-gita Srila Prabhupad writes, "The supreme instruction of morality is stated in the ninth chapter, thirty-fouth verse: man-mana bhava mad-bhaktah. One must become a devotee of Krsna, and the essence of all religion is to surrender unto Krsna. The instuctions of Bhagavad-gita constitute the supreme process of religion and morality. All other processes may be purifying and may lead to this process, but the last instruction of the Gita is the last word in morality and religion; surrender unto Krsna. This is the verdict of the Eighteenth chapter." Following the four regs is one of the processes that bring one to "the last word in morality and religion," develope love and surrender unto God, Krsna. hope this helps. Your servant, Narayani Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gHari 0 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 Jagai and Madhai, both grossly addicted to intoxication and womanizing finally find redemption in the Sri Caitanya Bhagavata:<blockquote>PART ONE (Click here) PART TWO (Click here)</blockquote> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Subala 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 I would like to see reference what they drunk alhogol - I know for sure you can get "high" by dinking gulabjamun syrop as well... And wine drunk by kshatriyas is not same wine we drink now btw. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 SB 1.17.1 - Süta Gosvämi said: After reaching that place, Mahäräja Pariksit observed that a lower-caste südra, dressed like a king, was beating a cow and a bull with a club, as if they had no owner. SB 1.17.2 - The bull was as white as a white lotus flower. He was terrified of the südra who was beating him, and he was so afraid that he was standing on one leg, trembling and urinating. SB 1.17.3 - Although the cow is beneficial because one can draw religious principles from her, she was now rendered poor and calfless. Her legs were being beaten by a südra. There were tears in her eyes, and she was distressed and weak. She was hankering after some grass in the field. SB 1.17.4 - Mahäräja Pariksit, well equipped with arrows and bow and seated on a gold-embossed chariot, spoke to him [the südra] with a deep voice sounding like thunder. SB 1.17.5 - Oh, who are you? You appear to be strong and yet you dare kill, within my protection, those who are helpless! By your dress you pose yourself to be a godly man [king], but by your deeds you are opposing the principles of the twice-born kñatriyas. SB 1.17.6 - You rogue, do you dare beat an innocent cow because Lord Krsna and Arjuna, the carrier of the Gändiva bow, are out of sight? Since you are beating the innocent in a secluded place, you are considered a culprit and therefore deserve to be killed. SB 1.17.7 - Then he [Mahäräja Parékñit] asked the bull: Oh, who are you? Are you a bull as white as a white lotus, or are you a demigod? You have lost three of your legs and are moving on only one. Are you some demigod causing us grief in the form of a bull? SB 1.17.8 - Now for the first time in a kingdom well protected by the arms of the kings of the Kuru dynasty, I see you grieving with tears in your eyes. Up till now no one on earth has ever shed tears because of royal negligence. SB 1.17.9 - O son of Surabhi, you need lament no longer now. There is no need to fear this low-class südra. And, O mother cow, as long as I am living as the ruler and subduer of all envious men, there is no cause for you to cry. Everything will be good for you. SB 1.17.10-11 - O chaste one, the king’s good name, duration of life and good rebirth vanish when all kinds of living beings are terrified by miscreants in his kingdom. It is certainly the prime duty of the king to subdue first the sufferings of those who suffer. Therefore I must kill this most wretched man because he is violent against other living beings. SB 1.17.12 - He [Mahäräja Pariksit] repeatedly addressed and questioned the bull thus: O son of Surabhi, who has cut off your three legs? In the state of the kings who are obedient to the laws of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna, there is no one as unhappy as you. SB 1.17.13 - O bull, you are offenseless and thoroughly honest; therefore I wish all good to you. Please tell me of the perpetrator of these mutilations, which blackmail the reputation of the sons of Prtha. SB 1.17.14 - Whoever causes offenseless living beings to suffer must fear me anywhere and everywhere in the world. By curbing dishonest miscreants, one automatically benefits the offenseless. SB 1.17.15 - An upstart living being who commits offenses by torturing those who are offenseless shall be directly uprooted by me, even though he be a denizen of heaven with armor and decorations. SB 1.17.16 - The supreme duty of the ruling king is to give all protection to law-abiding persons and to chastise those who stray from the ordinances of the scriptures in ordinary times, when there is no emergency. SB 1.17.17 - The personality of religion said: These words just spoken by you befit a person of the Pandava dynasty. Captivated by the devotional qualities of the Pandavas, even Lord Krsna, the Personality of Godhead, performed duties as a messenger. SB 1.17.18 - O greatest among human beings, it is very difficult to ascertain the particular miscreant who has caused our sufferings, because we are bewildered by all the different opinions of theoretical philosophers. SB 1.17.19 - Some of the philosophers, who deny all sorts of duality, declare that one’s own self is responsible for his personal happiness and distress. Others say that superhuman powers are responsible, while yet others say that activity is responsible, and the gross materialists maintain that nature is the ultimate cause. SB 1.17.20 - There are also some thinkers who believe that no one can ascertain the cause of distress by argumentation, nor know it by imagination, nor express it by words. O sage amongst kings, judge for yourself by thinking over all this with your own intelligence. SB 1.17.21 - Süta Gosvämi said: O best among the brähmanas, the Emperor Pariksit, thus hearing the personality of religion speak, was fully satisfied, and without mistake or regret he gave his reply. SB 1.17.22 - The King said: O you, who are in the form of a bull! You know the truth of religion, and you are speaking according to the principle that the destination intended for the perpetrator of irreligious acts is also intended for one who identifies the perpetrator. You are no other than the personality of religion. SB 1.17.23 - Thus it is concluded that the Lord’s energies are inconceivable. No one can estimate them by mental speculation or by word jugglery. SB 1.17.24 - In the age of Satya [truthfulness] your four legs were established by the four principles of austerity, cleanliness, mercy and truthfulness. But it appears that three of your legs are broken due to rampant irreligion in the form of pride, lust for women, and intoxication. SB 1.17.25 - You are now standing on one leg only, which is your truthfulness, and you are somehow or other hobbling along. But quarrel personified [Kali], flourishing by deceit, is also trying to destroy that leg. SB 1.17.26 - The burden of the earth was certainly diminished by the Personality of Godhead and by others as well. When He was present as an incarnation, all good was performed because of His auspicious footprints. SB 1.17.27 - Now she, the chaste one, being unfortunately forsaken by the Personality of Godhead, laments her future with tears in her eyes, for now she is being ruled and enjoyed by lower-class men who pose as rulers. SB 1.17.28 - Mahäräja Pariksit, who could fight one thousand enemies single-handedly, thus pacified the personality of religion and the earth. Then he took up his sharp sword to kill the personality of Kali, who is the cause of all irreligion. SB 1.17.29 - When the personality of Kali understood that the King was willing to kill him, he at once abandoned the dress of a king and, under pressure of fear, completely surrendered to him, bowing his head. SB 1.17.30 - Mahäräja Pariksit, who was qualified to accept surrender and worthy of being sung in history, did not kill the poor surrendered and fallen Kali, but smiled compassionately, for he was kind to the poor. SB 1.17.31 - The King thus said: We have inherited the fame of Arjuna; therefore since you have surrendered yourself with folded hands you need not fear for your life. But you cannot remain in my kingdom, for you are the friend of irreligion. SB 1.17.32 - If the personality of Kali, irreligion, is allowed to act as a man-god or an executive head, certainly irreligious principles like greed, falsehood, robbery, incivility, treachery, misfortune, cheating, quarrel and vanity will abound. SB 1.17.33 - Therefore, O friend of irreligion, you do not deserve to remain in a place where experts perform sacrifices according to truth and religious principles for the satisfaction of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. SB 1.17.34 - In all sacrificial ceremonies, although sometimes a demigod is worshiped, the Supreme Lord Personality of Godhead is worshiped because He is the Supersoul of everyone, and exists both inside and outside like the air. Thus it is He only who awards all welfare to the worshiper. SB 1.17.35 - Sri Süta Gosvämi said: The personality of Kali, thus being ordered by Mahäräja Pariksit, began to tremble in fear. Seeing the King before him like Yamaräja, ready to Kill him, Kali spoke to the King as follows. SB 1.17.36 - O Your Majesty, though I may live anywhere and everywhere under your order, I shall but see you with bow and arrows wherever I look. SB 1.17.37 - Therefore, O chief amongst the protectors of religion, please fix some place for me where I can live permanently under the protection of your government. SB 1.17.38 - Süta Gosvämi said: Mahäräja Pariksit, thus being petitioned by the personality of Kali, gave him permission to reside in places where gambling, drinking, prostitution and animal slaughter were performed. SB 1.17.39 - The personality of Kali asked for something more, and because of his begging, the King gave him permission to live where there is gold because wherever there is gold there is also falsity, intoxication, lust, envy and enmity. SB 1.17.40 - Thus the personality of Kali, by the directions of Mahäräja Pariksit, the son of Uttarä, was allowed to live in those five places. SB 1.17.41 - Therefore, whoever desires progressive well-being, especially kings, religionists, public leaders, brähmanas and sannyäsis, should never come in contact with the four above-mentioned irreligious principles. SB 1.17.42 - Thereafter the King reestablished the lost legs of the personality of religion [the bull], and by encouraging activities he sufficiently improved the condition of the earth. SB 1.17.43-44 - The most fortunate Emperor Mahäräja Pariksit, who was entrusted with the kingdom of Hastinäpura by Mahäräja Yudhisthira when he desired to retire to the forest, is now ruling the world with great success due to his being glorified by the deeds of the kings of the Kuru dynasty. SB 1.17.45 - Mahäräja Parikst, the son of Abhimanyu, is so experienced that by dint of his expert administration and patronage, it has been possible for you to perform a sacrifice such as this. ------------- There are elaborate purports to each of these verses by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami and these should also be read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Govindaram 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 hare krishna i u trying to promote your site Ghari, it hurts my EYES! /images/graemlins/mad.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 I like the Kingdom of God. Everyone should have it bookmarked. Govindaram, get the scowl off your face and be happy someone took the time to glorify Krsna and his devotee on the web. All devotees, please promote your web sites. Cyberspace belongs to Krsna. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livingentity 0 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 images too much for your eyes? If looking at this website is painful - then give me more!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Govindaram 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 Hare Krishna sensitive or what, i like the site I WAS JOKING! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 But the subtle inflections don't show up on a web page. If you would have used a smiling or winking emoticon then people could tell you are joking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Narayanidd 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 Dear theist, What wonderful nectar! A great referance that hits the question of why we should follow the four regs. right on the head!Thank you. Your servant, Narayani Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Govindaram 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 Hare Krishna my sence of humour-thought it was funny to put /images/graemlins/mad.gif(so cute) instead of /images/graemlins/smile.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Govindaram 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 Hare Krishna wonder how many hits GHari's site has got now! /images/graemlins/wink.gif /images/graemlins/smirk.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/laugh.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 Narayanidd, you are very welcome vaisnavi. Govindaram, Yes, now that the Kindom of God has generated some contraversy it should be buzzing. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Hey, do you work for gHari by any chance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
