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I see that the IRM now has a very strong start and has held its first council meeting. Apparently they will soon elect a GBC and appoint ritviks. I for one am happy to see this finally. I just pray that Krsna will bless this spirit of cooperation in further establishing Prabhupadas ISKCON! Maybe now I can recieve initiation as a disciple of Srila Prabhupada, my One and Only Spiritual Master!

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Why do you feel you need the sanction of this IRM commitee to appoint a ritvik priest before you can contact Srila Prabhupada.

 

What if they don't appoint someone as to act as ritvik?

 

Why do you think you need some ritvik's approval before you can know Krsna and be blessed by His devotee?

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You're assuming,prabhu. Maybe my previous post misled you. I already have that connection to Prabhupada and thus, to Krsna. However, it has been my fervent desire to take this step for a number of years. It isn't something to be taken lightly, nor trivialized by a simplistic understanding of our connection to Guru. While I do agree with your basic premise I also see that there is a special connection between the initiated disciple and his Guru. And while the ritual itself may just be a formaility, it is one cherished by Prabhupada disciples the world over. I choose to share that special experience.

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Nothing wrong with that desire prabhu.More than I have ever had that is for sure.

 

Here are some questions I have though.

 

Who appointed the IRM?

 

Are other disciples not involved with the IRM capable of acting in same capacity or will they need some sanction from the IRM?

 

Does Prabhupada now feel a personal committment to the person undergoing this ritual?

 

How long will this practice be in place for?

 

Are Prabhupada's disciples who take on disciples themselves possible of being bonafide in the eyes of IRM?

 

Isn't this a new practice in GV?

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PAMHO. AGTSP.I encourage you to ask those questions to the devotees better qualified to answer than I. I asked much the same thing and recieved quality answers. I encourage you to read "The Final Order" as well. It explains things very nicely. If you don't know how to contact or find IRM on the net please let me know and I will provide the link for you. The IRM was appointed by Prabhupada, since they are the ISKCON that SP established and authorized before he chose to leave the body.

It is my understanding (and belief) that the ISKCON that we see today is not in accord with Prabhupadas wishes, not maintaining the standards he put in place, and therefor not the "true" ISKCON. This is not to say that the devotees are not true devotees, I'm sure there are more who are than aren't, but they have been duped into accepting so many unauthorized and novel approaches that they are mostly unsure of what is correct. Not to mention the younger generation of devotees (those who have entered since 1979) don't really have an understanding for the most part of how SP wanted things to be, or how they had been. The initiations in IRM as I have discovered by my research of their positions will be exactly according to Prabhupadas Final Order for such, and not by any of the dubious methods we have witnessed destroying lives and ruining the preaching. Other than this,Prabhu, I do not really feel qualified to expound upon. So I respectfully ask you to contact IRM, and they can provide you with any of the answers you may need. I do enjoy your conversation too, so I look forward to more.

 

Hare Krsna!

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Prabhupadanuga,

 

My questions were really meant to be more rhetorical than anything else.But you say you have already pondered them.

 

Frankly those 1977 conversations about initiations have been argued over and over.

 

I distrust both the IRM and the GBC.

 

Acarya is self-effulgent and when we are ready Supersoul will point out His devotee.

 

That is the only system I will trust.

 

Hare Krsna

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I have told someone to remove any URL that may be viewed as offensive by readers. The policy isn't anything against IRM or any particular group.

 

This includes websites that are filled with criticisms of devotees (whether valid or not), websites that focus on violence, websites that contain pornography or excess profanity, etc.

 

I apologize if anyone feels badly because of this policy.

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