jijaji 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2002 Check this... http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/mapstellstory.html jijaji Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted April 6, 2002 JagannAth Jalebi Jijaji ki jaya! Although Ji has posted this, he can't be labelled anti-semitic. He's just pointed out historical facts, rather rare these days. Chances r Ji's plan for a better, safer Israel far surpasses in a practical way Sharon's, Dayan's or anyone else's. How? Very simple. Ji knows Torah As It Is. Tenach As It Is. Everything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jijaji 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2002 Originally posted by Tarun: JagannAth Jalebi Jijaji ki jaya! Although Ji has posted this, he can't be labelled anti-semitic. He's just pointed out historical facts, rather rare these days. Chances r Ji's plan for a better, safer Israel far surpasses in a practical way Sharon's, Dayan's or anyone else's. How? Very simple. Ji knows Torah As It Is. Tenach As It Is. Everything. The Jews need to go back and find their mystical roots in the kabbalah and zohar etc. The arabs can turn inward with dervish whirling and other mystical sufi practices. And forget all this mind-chatter about whos owns what land etc etc... But also the world needs to learn the lesson of how BAD FUNDADMENTALISM is *NO MATTER FROM WHOM*.. that is part of why this happening! (hope we live to tell the story) DESTROY ALL BORDERS IS THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE THE EARTH. BECAUSE BORDERS MEAN ONE THING... WAR WAR WAR!!!!! ALWAYS HAS ALWALYS WILL!!! THE BORDER IS THE ENEMY NOT THE JEW OR ARAB. MANS GREED TO POSSESS THAT WHICH IS NEVER HIS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! DESTROY BORDERS TODAY!!! JagannAth Jalebi Jijaji ki jaya! jijaji [This message has been edited by jijaji (edited 04-06-2002).] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted April 7, 2002 There's a 'Borders' bookstore chain. What about it? Same story? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kundhara 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2002 From the NY Rag: THE Middle East is on the brink of war. Pundits and political leaders around the world are concerned. Acts of Palestinian terror, no matter how egregious or how frequent, can never bring the Middle East to the brink of war, because for most world political and opinion leaders, the killing of Jews is of small consequence. There are calls for a halt to violence only when Israelis retaliate. In a bow to world opinion, President Bush has called upon the Israelis towithdraw their forces and will dispatch Secretary of State Colin Powell to the region to try to negotiate yet another truce. But premature negotiating will harm the cause of peace. During the Cold War, there was reason to suppose an Arab-Israeli war could spark a third world war. In those days, Israel was a client of the United States. The radical Arab states were clients of the Soviet Union. If the proxies got into a tiff, the conflict could spread to the principals. The closest we came to this was during the Yom Kippur War of 1973, when Egyptians, in a surprise attack, dealt a severe blow to Israeli defense forces. Only an airlift of M-60 tanks from U.S. bases in Germany kept Israel from being overrun. Once its initial battle losses had been replaced, Israel quickly regained the initiative, routing Egyptian and Syrian forces. Israeli troops were poised to take Cairo and Damascus. The Soviets were willing to permit the United States to restore the status quo ante. But they threatened to intervene to prevent a decisive Israeli victory. So we prevailed upon the Israelis to stop short of humiliating their enemies. The Yom Kippur War was a near thing for the world. Only three times in U.S. history have U.S. forces gone to DEFCON 1, the highest war footing. The Yom Kippur War was one of those times. Now the Cold War is over. Russia is a shadow of what we thought the Soviet Union was, and is more or less an ally in the war on terror. Radical Arabs have lost their sponsor. And Egypt has, after a fashion, switched sides. There is no longer good reason to suppose a conflict between Israelis and Palestinians would spread. Another consequence of the Yom Kippur War was the Arab oil embargo. But the oil "weapon" has lost much of its bang. We are more dependent upon foreign oil now than we were then, but less dependent on oil from the Persian Gulf, since new sources elsewhere have been developed. And Arab governments have become so dependent upon oil revenues that the loss of them would harm Arabs more than the loss of their oil would harm us. If the Israelis crush the Palestinians, there will be a howling from Arab mobs, but little else. And Israel must inflict a severe military defeat upon the Palestinians if there ever is to be peace. Most Palestinians believe they can destroy Israel. The Palestinians think they are winning, and think things can't get worse for them than they are now. They must be disabused of these notions. Palestinians have good reasons for thinking they are winning. Before the Passover massacre, Palestinian terror was met with Israeli concessions, not Israeli force. Palestinian terror evokes expressions of sympathy from Europe, not words of condemnation. Palestinian terror gets Yasser Arafat on evening newscasts, while peace would doom him to obscurity. Israel Defense Forces have been rounding up the terror suspects Arafat promised to arrest but didn't and destroying weapons caches. This will do more to protect Israelis from suicide bombings than any agreement diplomats make. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon would like to send Arafat into exile. His intelligence services tell him this would be a bad idea. But only when the old Palestinian leadership has been swept away can a new Palestinian leadership emerge. Once Palestinian attitudes have been adjusted, a settlement very likely can be reached along the lines proposed by former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak at Camp David in the summer of 2000. But Palestinians will not tread the path of peace until they've been convinced that they can't get what they want through suicide bombings. Negotiations before this occurs are, as we have seen, doomed to failure. The Mitchell Report, the Tenet Plan and the Zinni "bridge" have all collapsed. The "peace process" has failed. It's time to give war a chance.Email: jkelly@post-gazette.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sha 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2002 Originally posted by jijaji: Check this... http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/mapstellstory.html jijaji Get the real news from - http://www.democracynow.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gauracandra 1 Report post Posted April 9, 2002 I must admit I'm a bit disturbed at the way a holy site like The Church of the Nativity is being treated. I don't know the full history of the region, but it does seem to me that if they were in a war, and Israel conquered certain territory, it only makes sense that you don't then just give back the land you have conquered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted April 9, 2002 www.democracynow.org ki jaya! Shaji! How did u know? I just met Amy Goodman on Wall St a few weeks back. She's part of my morning sAdhana = 99.5FM WBAI Pacifica. She's dynamite (peacefully speaking). = = = = = Kundharaji: I'm neither on Israeli nor Palestinian side. However, there's growing support amongst Israelis, Europeans & even Amerikans for Palestinian sovereignty + to stop supporting Israeli aggression. What's going on right now is totally outrageous. We're not even getting 1/10 the story from commercial media. And what we do get is totally biased. Talk about BLIND SUPPORT. "Tax dollars going where? I don't know, do u?" As vaiSNavas, we want everyone to become KC, to taste bhakti-rasa, the nectar of Hari-kathA, bhajan & kirtan. If not, then at least they should follow their own religion carefully, up to & including Halal or Kasher (Kosher), id est, no slaughterhouse, Lo Tirtzach, Thou Shalt not Kill (unless atatayinaH = one of 6 aggressor types show up, as u yourself pointed out). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
