Peaceniks on parade

[Guest guest]

<h2>Peaceniks on parade</h2>

 

By Gregory J. Hand

 

It didn't take long after the dust had settled over lower Manhattan for the freakish peaceniks, as if on queue, to crawl out from under their rocks. Dreaming of some sort of perverted sixties rebirth, they were almost gleeful for the excuse to stock up on contraceptives, marijuana and LSD, dust off the bell bottoms, and pull out those old Joan Baez, Grateful Dead, and Janis Joplin LPs as they practiced singing "Give Peace a Chance."

 

Last Thursday was the big kickoff, with rallies at over 100 college campuses, the breeding ground of the leftist ideology infestation, in what was being called a national "day of action" for a variety of radicals to hold hands, whine about capitalism, and publicly posture for the world to see their compassion on display. As these events tend to be, it was not only a grab the ankles for third world terrorists type of day, but one to also fight racism, lest anyone think all Muslims radical terrorists. No doubt the "Free Mumia" crowd participated as well.

 

While the former site of the World Trade Center is called "ground zero" for the terrorist attacks, Berkeley is the equivalent for the protest movement. Berkeley, in fact, is a cesspool of such liberal nonsense. Full of anarchists, communists, and socialists of all flavors, it is what happens when the inmates run the asylum. There is no logic within the city limits; it is practically illegal; and everything that is done is to make as many people as possible feel good about themselves. One would think that with all the 'good vibes' and attention to feelings that this would be a relaxed, peaceful place full of love and harmony. On the contrary, it is filled with some of the most hateful, embittered people in the country, a Democratic Party convention notwithstanding.

 

It centers on the University, where students and aging radicals anxiously linger while hoping for the possibility of a return to the glory days of the protest era. Like those at other colleges and universities last Thursday, protests held there were ridiculous as more than 1,000 demonstrators, some wielding placards with stupid messages like, "An eye for an eye leaves the world blind," gathered in UC Berkeley's Sproul Plaza to rally for peace.

 

"War is unpatriotic. We don't want to see the flag of the United States hitting and killing civilians," said Berkeley lecturer Hatem Bazian, which creates a somewhat comical image, "Send them food rather than bombs." he added to enthusiastic cheers from the mind numbed crowd. Hatem, pardon your ignorance, but we actually have already done as you requested. As President Bush stated in his well received speech the other night, the United States is Afghanistan's largest benefactor in humanitarian aid. This means, ironically enough, that we provide the food which gives those that chant "Death to America" the energy to do so.

 

"As someone who has been directly affected, I'm here to stand in peace against the killing of any innocent people," said Yes Duffy, a UC Berkeley senior in architecture and city planning whose aunt, a flight attendant on American Airlines Flight 77, was killed when that plane crashed into the Pentagon, "We should have learned our lesson from losing enough innocent lives already."

 

Besides Osama bin Laden and his friends, who is for the killing of any innocent people? Although quite a popular leftist technique, it is so absurd to stand up to proclaim being in favor of something on which 99.9% of the world's population agrees with you. The unspoken inference in proclaiming something to the world, like "I support healthy children," is that there are those out there who do not, like a political opponent. Truthfully, however, how compassionate, much less intelligent, can one be stating something so obvious so publicly?

 

"Anyone involved in the terrorism should be taken to an international court and undergo a just trial." Duffy continued, not content to quit humiliating himself, "Indiscriminate bombs won't solve anything." Off to The Hague, they go. That'll teach those nasty bad guys a lesson. Osama is probably trembling in his boots at the mere possibility of being hauled off to a show trial in Europe.

 

As an aside, this call for an international court and a "just trial," strangely enough, seems somewhat out of place for a place like Berkeley. These are usually the people who decry the criminal justice system as unjust, especially for those in minority communities, of which Osama bin Laden and his cohorts are members. One could reasonably expect those in Berkeley to call for bin Laden and Co. to undergo sensitivity and diversity training along with a healthy dose of anger management and a lecture about how bombs pollute our fragile ecosystem, not to be placed on trial.

 

Berkeley, of course, was not alone in protesting an American response to the terrorist attacks that have claimed over six thousand lives. At Lewis & Clark College in Oregon, students formed a human peace symbol and sang, "Give Peace a Chance," but sadly enough came no closer to recreating the sixties, despite the good old college try. "I didn't stop crying for four days," Satya Bycock, a sophomore at the college whined, "But the cycle of violence can't continue." In that she is correct. Unfortunately, bin Laden probably is not going to stop because a hysterical teenager asks him to. That is the purpose of the United States Military.

 

Several hundred students gathered at Harvard Yard to do their part in the national rally. From the library steps, organizers pleaded for peace through a bullhorn. "In denouncing the terrorist attacks, we as a nation must not forget that while we have been grievously wronged, it will do us no good to wrong others in return," said Alisa Khan, 17, of Herndon, Va., who described herself as both a Muslim and an American, and whose statement makes very little sense. American retribution is punishment for crimes already committed. The United States is not going to "wrong others." It is going to penalize criminals and those that harbor them. How is that a 'wrong?'

 

Dan Hooper, 24, a member of the Army Reserves, stood at a peace rally at the University of Wisconsin-Madison holding a sign that read "War kills civilians, not terrorists," although one would hope that the Army is not that inept. "As much as I fear for myself and the role I'm going to have to play in this, I'm much more afraid for the innocent people who are going to suffer for this in other countries," said Hooper, a physics student, which is utter nonsense since his only concern is protecting his own rear end. Isn't it nice that the cowardly peacenik would take the scholarship money and other government compensation for being in the Army Reserves only to get cold feet when his country asks for something in return?

 

Florida International University, in doing their part for peacenik day, held four forums on the university's campus in downtown Fort Lauderdale Thursday afternoon, one of which was about nonviolence, where approximately 60 people attended. "I believe in nonviolence and peace," said Gabriel Hermelin, 35, who is completing a graduate degree in conflict resolution at Nova Southeastern and attended the peace forum, "You don't have to be pro-war to be a patriot. . . .I find myself in inner conflict because I turn on my radio and hear people getting lambasted for wanting to hold prayer vigils. I feel like I have to keep quiet." Oh, the humanity! Can you imagine her teaching a conflict resolution class?

 

Colleges, however, are not alone. "A diverse nationwide coalition of religious leaders, social activists and business leaders - organized by Rosa Parks, Harry Belafonte and others - have," according to the Miami Herald, "issued a message that echoes what's being said by some on college campuses: Those responsible for the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon should be brought to justice, but indiscriminate military retaliation would incite more violence, not end it." Who said anything about the military retaliation being indiscriminate? And Harry Belafonte as peace activist? What is this world coming to?

 

Also by Thursday, the nation day of action, nearly 1,500 religious leaders had endorsed a statement by the National Council of Churches of Christ USA calling for "sober restraint," not military retaliation. These are probably the same church leaders who have just returned from the U.N. World Conference against Racism, where between rounds of Israel bashing they were confessing their racist pasts.

 

There were even protests in New York of all places, where 1,500 protesters marched through the city, snarled traffic and drew hecklers as they walked up Park Avenue, over to the Avenue of the Americas and to Times Square. "This is the belly of the beast and this is where we need to be active," said a protester named Amy, as she drew up posters before the rally. naive, naive, naive. Give her a bucket and let her spend a day down at the ruins of the World Trade Center picking up the random body parts of over six thousand victims and see if her attitude changes.

 

Victim's relatives have also joined in the fray. Judy Keane, whose husband, Richard, was killed in the World Trade Center attacks, helped organize a prayer vigil near her home in Wethersfield, Connecticut, on the Sunday evening after, an event that drew more than 5,000 people. "The World Trade Center was in retaliation for something else, and that was the retaliation for something else," Keane said in The Washington Post Wednesday. "Are we going to continue this in perpetuity? We have to say at some point, OK, let's find another way of doing this." We are. By eliminating the terrorists at the source, this should prevent, or at least severely stifle, this sort of behavior in the future.

 

The peace movement, like other social movements before it, has seen its best times come and go. But like so many others, it will never realize this, and will continue to flail away on the dream that the glory days they once enjoyed can be recreated, if only for a moment. So every time a fighter jet goes into the air, out they come looking for another attempt at summoning the past.

 

"This is not just another (expletive) Berkeley march," said Orinda native Adrian Wilson, a UC Berkeley senior majoring in political science, at the Berkeley protest, "This could be the start of a movement. This is like the marches of the '60s. They stopped the war. We could do it again." No dear, you can't. You can certainly try, as no doubt you are going to do (repeatedly), but the sixties are thankfully dead. Please allow it to rest in peace.

 

It is a sad commentary that the pinnacle of some people's lives was in excess of thirty years ago. Like drug addicts looking for a better high, these aging hippies continue to futilely attempt to relive that heyday, unwilling to accept the reality that society has changed, and that while the clothes may come back one day, the set of circumstances that created that era probably will not. It is time to grow up and move on.

 

That the younger generation looks with affinity at this sort of nonsense only shows the lure of sex, drugs and really bad music, with a little bit of faux compassion and grandstanding thrown in for good measure. Having been continuously brainwashed by this country's education system, they look with awe at their loser professors in their ivory towers, lamenting the unfortunate timing of their birth and wishing, along with their elders, to also attempt to recreate this supposedly magical time.

 

Regrettably this 'hate America' crowd will always be with us. A parasite on society, they ignorantly preach against the very thing, a strong military, which allows them the freedom to act as ridiculous as they do. Theirs is a simplistic world of high flung dreams with no basis in reality, and just because they do not wish Osama bin Laden any harm does not mean he will reciprocate in kind. On the contrary, he seems to get a thrill out of attacking the innocent.

 

Very few people actually enjoy war, but like liberalism itself, it is a necessary evil which must sometimes be accommodated, especially with terrorists with whom there is no reasoning. What the left does not understand is that a hand outstretched in friendship to people like bin Laden is only going to get chopped off, and a hug will only be met with a knife in the back.

 

The only thing a terrorist understands is violence, which is why they enjoy inflicting it on as many innocent people as they can. With impunity they act, until such time as others rise up against them, which is exactly what the United States and its partners are now doing. Despite the wishes and desires of the peace activists for it to be otherwise, this is the only way to solve this problem, for bin Laden is not someone with whom a peace can be negotiated. To be a peacenik in such a brutal world is to slit your own throat, if people like Osama bin Laden don't beat you to it.

 

[Tarun 6]

[don't forget to read last line aloud! (forever)]

^^^^^^^^^^Give Peace A Chance^^^^^^^^^^

^^^John Lennon And The Plastic Ono Band

 

Two, one two three four

Ev'rybody's talking about

Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism

This-ism, that-ism, is-m, is-m, is-m.

 

All we are saying is give peace a chance

All we are saying is give peace a chance

 

C'mon

Ev'rybody's talking about Ministers,

Sinisters, Banisters and canisters

Bishops and Fishops and Rabbis and Pop eyes,

And bye bye, bye byes.

 

All we are saying is give peace a chance

All we are saying is give peace a chance

 

Let me tell you now

Ev'rybody's talking about

Revolution, evolution, masturbation,

flagellation, regulation, integrations,

meditations, United Nations,

Congratulations.

 

Ev'rybody's talking about

John and Yoko, Timmy Leary, Rosemary,

Tommy Smothers, Bobby Dylan, Tommy Cooper,

Derek Taylor, Norman Mailer, Alan Ginsberg,

Hare Krishna, Hare, Hare Krishna

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

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[recruit 0]

Originally posted by rand0M aXiS:

This means, ironically enough, that we provide the food which gives those that chant "Death to America" the energy to do so.

Although it cannot be condoned to slaughter innocents, we also have to rekognize the fact of how Corporate Amerika is ravaging the natural rescources of the Third World, increasing impoverishment, and this US Business imposed impoverishment, which destroys the ancient upkeep systems of these hapless peoples, like burning down their rubber plantations and ancient Teakwood forests, is not sufficiently countered by our aid packages. Honest assessment of these goings on are necessary if the world is going to be stabilized with the inborne right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and justice for all, as delineated by our great Constitution and Bill of Rights. Seems the anti-peaceniks are equally fanatical to the peaceniks but in this, the opposite direction, denial.

 

As an aside, this call for an international court and a "just trial," strangely enough, seems somewhat out of place for a place like Berkeley. These are usually the people who decry the criminal justice system as unjust,...

No, the complaint is the system is corrupt, not unjust. This corruption is a fact, not rhetoric of crazy people. Our Constitution is flagrantly violated daily in the unjust corrupt use of the system that occurs today in our courts. To descry the corruption is not to offend the spirit of the Constitution and the Amerikan belief in justice and liberty!

 

The peace movement, like other social movements before it, has seen its best times come and go. But like so many others, it will never realize this, and will continue to flail away on the dream that the glory days they once enjoyed can be recreated, if only for a moment.

The peace movement has actually moved on to the form of Sri Krsna Sankirtan!!! Time to get out the peace formula and distribute it widely. Take to the streets and chant Harinam! Idealism is not an evil thing, however much arrogant fools wish to deride those whose hearts will not give up their ideals. That the ideals these peaceniks espousements are about cannot be always met, necessary military action being an equally valid activity, does not transform the ideal itself into a bad thing.

 

Like drug addicts looking for a better high, these aging hippies continue to futilely attempt to relive that heyday, unwilling to accept the reality that society has changed, and that while the clothes may come back one day, the set of circumstances that created that era probably will not. It is time to grow up and move on.

Society has changed alright, since Tricky Dick & Co. quelled the revolution of the sixties, waged an actual war against our own citizens to shut them up, thus denying the very freedom our military is supposed to insure. Society is going downhill very very swiftly, and Corporate Amerika has successfully placed 'himself' in the perfect position for enslaving what is left of the world's 'free' people. Watch your backs!

 

...supposedly magical time.

The magic was real, as all devotees know, being that it was a Divine Stage on which Lord Sri Krsna's pure unalloyed devotee danced and distributed Krsna Prema.

 

Regrettably this 'hate America' crowd will always be with us. A parasite on society,...

And here is a perfect example of why there is always so much turmoil instead of commisseration and co-operation. Idealism is not about hating Amerika! It's about loving the TRUE Amerika!

 

Let Freedom Ring!

In Krsna We Trust!

[gopal 0]

Too true, Recruit, unfortunately. I agree and the simplistic statements of our patriots can be much scarier than those whose aims include noncorruption and peace. Statements like these crack me up:

 

Originally posted by rand0M aXiS:

This means, ironically enough, that we provide the food which gives those that chant "Death to America" the energy to do so.

 

Whose this "we" providing the food? More like He. Read Sri Isopanisad if you don't believe it. Someone just took custody of these fair lands and took away our basic rights to settle, build houses of our own choosing, and grow our own food. Who doesn't want to be self-sufficient? Who wants to depend on others' meager mercies? And who wants to be beholden to a corrupt government, with a track record that leaves its people (at least the more thoughtful ones) sorely lacking in trust. It is not a question of lazy hippies here. This is about the people in general, whose basic human rights have been stolen from them.

 

In God We Trust, yes!

Not in America as it is today.

 

As someone recentnly said here, best not to align ourselves too closely with the collective karma of this nation. I add to that, best not to align ourselves with mundane politics, when we as devotees know how a spiritual society runs.

 

Your right Recruit, nothing wrong with the ideals of the peaceniks, at least not on the level that this discussion is on, but I seriously question the ideals of those who seek to crush them.

 

 

[Tarun 6]

Random: your left photo reminds me of what Father Bush did in Panama Christmas 1989.

Nice way to celebrate the Holiday Season.

3,000 in one grave.

No name tags. Wholesale burial.

Gregory J. Hand uses the term parasite. Hmm. Okay.

In our NYC Elementary School we received Weekly Reader.

Remember that?

One week we read how 1 average Amerikan uses/wastes as many/much natural resources as 23 Asian Indians.

1/23 Ratio. Hmm. Who's the Parasite?

Another question.

The Conscientious Objectors aka Peaceniks admittedly refuse to fight.

Bush sends others to fight while he stays peacefully at home.

Or as SP said, "in the parlor chatting".

So who's the Peacenik? Who's the Parasite?

 

 

[paul108 0]

Although I'm not normally attracted to spectator sports, I was thinking that Dubya -vs.- Osama in an arena would be a good match to watch.

 

Would George W. Chicken fight for the former USA?

[gopal 0]

Good question, Paul. Well one thing is sure, you can bet he has his bunker well equipped.

[Tarun 6]

On TV today, amidst famous Latino Stars, Bush looked nervous.

Like if he was thinking:

1) Are these people Hispanic or Arab?

2) Anyone carrying a boxcutter?

3) Where am I? Who am I? Am I? Am I?! Why of course! M I!

M-I-C - see you real soon.

K-E-Y - Why? Because we like you!

M-O-U S-E - our online weapon of choice.

Watch out where you point that there darn thing!

[gopal 0]

Are you a human encyclopedia on oldies but goldies? Are you a consultent to Stephen King? Best part of his books was the humor.

[Tarun 6]

As Mahak typed/posted 2 yrs ago on VNN Forums:

"Anyone who can remember the 60s really wasn't there."

I didn't take any drugs, so maybe I recall more than most.

Then again, there's a big GAP post 1971, after I joined ISKCON.

Peace Rallies were one of our best sources for making new bhaktas.

Peaceniks on Parade reminds me of MayDay Moratorium 1971 at Wash DC.

Even Vietnam Vets were throwing their badges & medals over/at The Capitol Bldg in protest.

 

[Guest guest]

Scroll up this thread to Random's 2 10/08/2001 wreckless photo post.

Look at both. Look again at right photo.

Then watch 1992 Academy Award winning film: "Panama Invasion"

Right photo is precisely what we heavily armed Amerikans did to unarmed Panama civilians to cover up Bushel's Cocaine connections.

[Guest guest]

Look at the photo again, Tyrone. That is what your friends did to the Jews. NEVER AGAIN.

[stonehearted 0]

was the name, I believe.

[Guest guest]

BB, ZrIla PrabhupAd named me TaruN, TaruN KRSNa dAs.

R u having too many California Dreams - fantasizing about Tyrone Power?

In Razor's Edge he was at his height. Even straight men were attracted.

So what to speak of u.

Should we name which famous Amerikan families supported Adolph?

I agree with Bushel on a few points, but not this excessive dependence on foreign oil to the abandonment of all good sense.

On our Capitol tonight there is a hugh banner that even your FBI can't figure out how to remove. Ha!

And it says: "How Many Lives Per Gallon?"

Education means to teach citizens how to become less dependent, more independent.

Bushel has no such program. pratyahara = just the opposite.

Ergo Bushel has no education program whatsover. Non-existent.

Bushel's program SP outlined long ago:

How to keep the people in darkness.

Perhaps he's "envious", a word u used unapplicably elsewhere tonight.

2nd Circuit Appeals Court Judge has rejected our permit to March past U.N. Saturday.

Watch closely what happens next. Om Tat Sat

[theist 1]

The thing is Tarun the only point of view you seem to post is pro Hitler anti-Jew, pro Arab anti- Israel, anti-American talk. If you showed some balance maybe you would gain some credibity.

 

I mean man you claim Bush and Sharon conspired to knock down WTC on 9/11.

 

Put down Baraka and pick up Longfellow for awhile OK?

[Guest guest]

Did u read what Churchill said about Hitler?

I really don't care what this History (Hitler) Channel repeats over & over again, do u?

Using Adolph as a scapegoat after Bush, Ford, Kennedy... uplifted him so they could start another war...

Same thing they r doing with every CIA operative sooner or later: Noriega, Bin Laden, Hussein

U c this ongoing deception as auspicious? Go for it.

I'm not anti-Amerikan, but I know who is.

Systematic polluters r least Amerikan of all.

People who promise efficient, alternative fuel, yet only ever install it in their own home.

Know any foot fitting that shoe? Vicious demons posing as Patriots.

Not funny, not funy at all. Dead serious.

They should be deported, stripped of their citizenship tribunally.

The richer the quicker. Out on their rear ends or head first.

Neither am I pro-Arab.

I think India has a right to make Vedas/PurANas Its State religion just as Muslims do Koran in many countries.

I lived & preached in Malaysia.

Muslims there r given no chance of KC hearing & chanting. What could be worse?

Many Jews r great. They support so many good causes. Many become devotees.

But Zionists r of another ilk altogether. Sincere jews know the dif, do u?

9/11 was planned long ago. Not over there, over here.

Do something so outrageous, have ready who to blame, none will dare to suspect..

Even if I knew nothing else about 9/11, about planted bombs within the towers, who was set up to be killed inside towers, who was warned not to go to work that day, who invested in Amerikan & United Airlines then pulled out 4 days before 9/11 etc.

Even if knew none of the above, just to see former NYC Mayor Ed Koch quickly appear on CNN cheering on the condemners against the condemned...

I knew right away, right then & there the whole schlemiel was bogus, totally trumped up, carefully planned, choreographed so fools like ___ would fall for it like Autumn leaves.

Why? Because Koch himself is thoroughly bogus from head to toe. Thoroughly thorazine.

[Guest guest]

Oh, poor baby. You cannot march past UN because a judge said no. BWAHAHAHAHA!!! LOL!

 

You know what the UN sits on don't you? You, as a Bronx Yankee should remember the slaughterhouses that existed on that land.

 

Instead, you bash what you envy. Buh-bye!

 

Why do you not go to Iraq with your fellow demons and become a human shield? Because you are a worthless pretender. You think you are brahmana, you are not even sudra.

 

Buh-bye.

 

When the people of Iraq dance with joy over their liberation by America and her 27 allies, you and your fellow communistas will start hiding from cover.

 

Buh-bye.

[Guest guest]

U r so thoroughly screwball, I have truly never met anyone as confoundedly corrupt as your semi-divine self.

No poor baby, we'll be out there anyway.

We prefer to follow Jesus, not Graham Cracker's SukrAcArya impersonation.

U just prove how little u know about KC.

Don't stop now. Tell us more.

Your comments r so petty, so flimsy, so false.

U may impress others. No chance with me.

I was just pointing out how freedom is not what it used to be. We used to easily get permits to march.

But since your leaders stole the election & subsequently brought down those Twin Towers, Home Security has become an excuse for oppression, theft, sabotage, murder..

Very well-planned by your group insofar self-aggrandizement's concerned.

Keep it up: special planets hosting special species await u.

You'll be a shoe in. ma sucaH. Full confidence.

[Guest guest]

Tyrone, go to bed. Take of your family. And stop pretending that you know anything about world affairs.

 

Everyone that has read your posts knows what a hate filled bigot that you are. Keep it up. The men with nets are behind you.

[Guest guest]

No bigotry here. Only within your insidious skull.

How can I sleep knowing people like your good self r guarding our nation against imaginary enemies?

And what to speak of those u do prop up only to later castigate?

Prabhuji, u have me shivering in my civies. Have u any remedy for that?

How come I feel more insecure now that your Home Security bill has passed?

[Guest guest]

Tyrone sez: No bigotry here. Only within your insidious skull.

 

Your words on this forum for the past two years prove you a liar, sir.

 

 

 

Tyrone sez: How can I sleep knowing people like your good self r guarding our nation against imaginary enemies?

 

You do not sleep well because of the guilt of your own actions. Do not project your guilt on others, sir!

 

Tyrone sez: And what to speak of those u do prop up only to later castigate?

 

Say what? Please explain.......if you can

 

Tyrone sez: Prabhuji, u have me shivering in my civies. Have u any remedy for that?

 

Yeah, shut up.

 

Tyrone sez: How come I feel more insecure now that your Home Security bill has passed?

 

Who knows? No one can fathom the mind of a lunatic.

 

Have a good day sir ---- and watch your 180.

 

[Tarun 6]

When Suka returned from spying on RAm's army, he advised RAvan to make peace.

RAvan at first appeared surprised. Then he began to laugh.

"Peace? Peace? PEACE? Hahahaha! Hahahaha!

U want me to make peace with some ordinary man?

Don't u know who I am? Me, RAvan!

Me, who can make demigods tremble simply at the sound of my name!

Me make peace with some forest dweller who recently let his wife be kidnapped?

Me, a Peacenik? R u kidding?"

I'm not comparing Iraq's present leader to Sri RAm.

Not at all. Not at all.

Yet I am comparing America's present leaders' attitudes to RAvan's.

ps - RAvan was also against abortion.

Moreover, his vehicle flew on pollution free fuel.

Iow, your choice would require quite some upgrading.