Does Vedas approves krishna as supreme God ?

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Recently I read one article . It says - " The Adhistrati Devata ( the object of devotion ) is indra . The name of Vishnu is definately there in Vedas But vishnu is Updevata or subordinate to the Indra ( i.e. vishnu or krishna are demigod according to vedas )

Is this true ? Can anybody cite example from vedas that approves Krishna as supreme personality .

I want reference from Vedas only (Rig YAJUR SAM Athrva) and NOT FROM ANY UPNISHDAS SMRITIS ARANYAKAS or BRAHIMINAS

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idaM viSNurvi cakrame tredhA ni dadhe padam

samULhamasya pAMsure || RV 1.22.17 ||

 

trINi . vi cakrame viSNurgopA adAbhyaH

ato dharmANi dhArayan || RV 1.22.18 ||

 

 

As you can see, these mantras name Vishnu as the preserver of the world, and indicate that He traversed the whole world, which is collected as the dust in His footprints. All attributes of a Supreme Deity, wouldn't you say?

 

 

tad viSNoH paramaM padaM sadA pashyanti sUrayaH

divIva cakSurAtatam || RV 1.22.20 ||

 

This states that the seers see always that "Supreme Abode" of Vishnu. Hmmm, "supreme abode..." does that, like, mean He's God or something?

 

tad viprAso vipanyavo jAgRvAMsaH samindhate

viSNoryat paramaM padam || RV 1.22.21 ||

 

And yet another reference to the "Supreme Abode" of Vishnu. Is it me, or do you see a trend here?

 

Now here is a reference to Vishnu as the creator of the three worlds:

 

 

viSNornu kaM vIryANi pra vocaM yaH pArthivAni vimamerajAMsi

yo askabhAyaduttaraM sadhasthaM vicakramANastredhorugAyaH || RV 1.154.1 ||

 

Hmmm, so not only is He the preserver, but also the creator? All functions of a supreme Deity, wouldn't you say?

 

 

pra tad viSNu stavate vIryeNa mRgo na bhImaH kucaro giriSThAH

yasyoruSu triSu vikramaNeSvadhikSiyanti bhuvanAni vishvA || RV 1.152.2 ||

 

Now this says that the three worlds abide in Vishnu's three paces. So, again, we have an explicit reference describing Lord Vishnu as the maintainer of the three worlds. That hardly sounds like the function of an administrative devata. Or maybe you think such a position can be applied for?

 

 

pra viSNave shUSametu manma girikSita urugAyAya vRSNe

ya idaM dIrghaM prayataM sadhasthameko vimame tribhirit padebhiH || RV 1.154.3 ||

 

And another reference to Vishnu, "who alone made, by three steps, these three worlds." Gee... He did that all by Himself with three steps? Does that make Him, OMNIPOTENT or something? And what is one of the qualities of a Supreme God?

 

yasya trii puurNaa madhunaa padaanyakShiiyamaaNaa svadhayaa madanti ya u tridhaatu pR^ithiviim uta dyaam eko daadhaara bhuvanaani vishvaa || RV 1.154.4 ||

 

And yet again, Vishnu as the maintainer of the three worlds. Hey, Atlas only held up one world. Vishnu holds up all three!

 

tA vaM vAstUnyushmasi gamadhyai yatra gAvo bhUrishRN^gAayAsaH

atrAha tadurugAyasya vRSNaH paramaM padamava bhAti bhUri || RV 1.154.6 ||

 

And yet again, the "Supreme station" of Vishnu. Hey, who does this Vishnu guy think He is living in that Supreme Station? Oh wait, He's the Supreme God. That's right.

 

 

Yeah, those dumb Vaishnavites. Maybe they should read the following shruti:

 

 

agnirvai devAnamavamo viShNuH paramaH || aitareya brAhmaNa 1.1.1 ||

 

Oh wait, that says that among devatas, Agni is "lowest" and Vishnu is "highest." So, that supports what the Vaishnavas say! Oh, well never mind. We don't agree with that, so let's ignore it!

 

Those poor, dumb Vaishnavites, they should have read the following shruti mantra:

 

 

aniravamo devatAnAM viShNuH paramaH || taittirIya saMhitA 5.5.1 ||

 

Err, wait a minute! That's also saying the same thing, that Vishnu is the highest devata!

 

I'm sorry, poor dear!

 

asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viSNoreSasya prabhRthe havirbhiH

vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAvat || RV 7.40.5 ||

 

This makes it abundantly clear that Rudra derives his power from worship of Vishnu!

 

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Dear gokul

Many many thanks .Perhaps this is enough for my "indologist " friend who claims that "Firstly Indra was popular god (in vedic times) and then he was replaced by Krishna . hence we find many references praising indra in vedas and vishnu in smritis,puranas,aranyakas etc"

But my guess was right . there are less examples

So does that mean that "Indologist are right "

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Prabhuji,

 

In order to know real meaning of vedas & its "real" essence, we shouldnt read vedas as translated by so called "MAX muller's or other westerners". These westerners are ordinary people who dunno anything about God.

 

So We should read the translations & commentaries of vedas made by Divine Acharyas & scholars. All these Scholars have descended into the earth out of mercy on us. Best is to read "Rig Veda Bhashya" By Sri Sri Madhvacharya (I dunno whers its available, you can query it on Dwaitha mutts) & get "enlightened" so that you can know "Lord Krishna" is parabrahma.

 

If your indologist friend refuses to consider "Rig veda bhasya" of Sri Madhvaru, then you can somewhat stay away from him, since these people just confuse others.

 

/images/graemlins/smile.gif Om Namah Shivaya

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/images/graemlins/smile.gif Jai Shri Krishna

 

[Guest guest]

"we shouldnt read vedas as translated by so called "MAX muller's or other westerners". These westerners are ordinary people who dunno anything about God."

 

Ya its like the pizza delivery guy giving his medical opinion on a broken leg. He doesn't know what the heck he's talking about. The bigoted western indologists aren't learned in the meaning of the vedas nor are their ulterior motivated opinions accepted among vipras. These unfortunate bewildered souls try and impose their own ignorance on the veda (knowledge).

 

"So We should read the translations & commentaries of vedas made by Divine Acharyas & scholars"

 

Yes, they know the real meaning of the veda, they are vipras

[maadhav 0]

i agree.

 

 

[krishna26 0]

 

idaM viSNurvi cakrame tredhA ni dadhe padam

samULhamasya pAMsure || RV 1.22.17 ||

 

trINi . vi cakrame viSNurgopA adAbhyaH

ato dharmANi dhArayan || RV 1.22.18 ||

 

 

As you can see, these mantras name Vishnu as the preserver of the world, and indicate that He traversed the whole world, which is collected as the dust in His footprints. All attributes of a Supreme Deity, wouldn't you say?

 

 

tad viSNoH paramaM padaM sadA pashyanti sUrayaH

divIva cakSurAtatam || RV 1.22.20 ||

 

This states that the seers see always that "Supreme Abode" of Vishnu. Hmmm, "supreme abode..." does that, like, mean He's God or something?

 

tad viprAso vipanyavo jAgRvAMsaH samindhate

viSNoryat paramaM padam || RV 1.22.21 ||

 

And yet another reference to the "Supreme Abode" of Vishnu. Is it me, or do you see a trend here?

 

Now here is a reference to Vishnu as the creator of the three worlds:

 

 

viSNornu kaM vIryANi pra vocaM yaH pArthivAni vimamerajAMsi

yo askabhAyaduttaraM sadhasthaM vicakramANastredhorugAyaH || RV 1.154.1 ||

 

Hmmm, so not only is He the preserver, but also the creator? All functions of a supreme Deity, wouldn't you say?

 

 

pra tad viSNu stavate vIryeNa mRgo na bhImaH kucaro giriSThAH

yasyoruSu triSu vikramaNeSvadhikSiyanti bhuvanAni vishvA || RV 1.152.2 ||

 

Now this says that the three worlds abide in Vishnu's three paces. So, again, we have an explicit reference describing Lord Vishnu as the maintainer of the three worlds. That hardly sounds like the function of an administrative devata. Or maybe you think such a position can be applied for?

 

 

pra viSNave shUSametu manma girikSita urugAyAya vRSNe

ya idaM dIrghaM prayataM sadhasthameko vimame tribhirit padebhiH || RV 1.154.3 ||

 

And another reference to Vishnu, "who alone made, by three steps, these three worlds." Gee... He did that all by Himself with three steps? Does that make Him, OMNIPOTENT or something? And what is one of the qualities of a Supreme God?

 

yasya trii puurNaa madhunaa padaanyakShiiyamaaNaa svadhayaa madanti ya u tridhaatu pR^ithiviim uta dyaam eko daadhaara bhuvanaani vishvaa || RV 1.154.4 ||

 

And yet again, Vishnu as the maintainer of the three worlds. Hey, Atlas only held up one world. Vishnu holds up all three!

 

tA vaM vAstUnyushmasi gamadhyai yatra gAvo bhUrishRN^gAayAsaH

atrAha tadurugAyasya vRSNaH paramaM padamava bhAti bhUri || RV 1.154.6 ||

 

And yet again, the "Supreme station" of Vishnu. Hey, who does this Vishnu guy think He is living in that Supreme Station? Oh wait, He's the Supreme God. That's right.

 

 

Yeah, those dumb Vaishnavites. Maybe they should read the following shruti:

 

 

agnirvai devAnamavamo viShNuH paramaH || aitareya brAhmaNa 1.1.1 ||

 

Oh wait, that says that among devatas, Agni is "lowest" and Vishnu is "highest." So, that supports what the Vaishnavas say! Oh, well never mind. We don't agree with that, so let's ignore it!

 

Those poor, dumb Vaishnavites, they should have read the following shruti mantra:

 

 

aniravamo devatAnAM viShNuH paramaH || taittirIya saMhitA 5.5.1 ||

 

Err, wait a minute! That's also saying the same thing, that Vishnu is the highest devata!

 

I'm sorry, poor dear!

 

asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viSNoreSasya prabhRthe havirbhiH

vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAvat || RV 7.40.5 ||

 

This makes it abundantly clear that Rudra derives his power from worship of Vishnu!

 

 

hare krishna

[krishna26 0]

Hare Krishna.

 

The explanations are great but can anyone clarify about the demon named KRISHNA IN RIGVEDA who fought with indra ?

[Guest Mike Beckenbauer]

Even Raj Kapoors wife was named Krishna......There are lakhs of humans named Krishna in India...

 

Which verse are u talking about....u need to be specific.

 

I have not found any verse yet about any demon named Krishna in the Rg Veda......who fought with Indra.......

 

 

Ultimately all great masters or gurus said the same thing.....that is the bottomline......

 

 

The west has one Jesus Christ.....The middle east has one Prophet Muhammad......

 

 

But here in India.....we have had thousands of such great masters and prophets over the last five thousand years........No big deal.....We never tried to spread their teachings by force or deception around the world.......

 

See the difference.....

 

 

All great masters said the same things.......They were right......

 

The problem is the followers.....they are all wrong....

 

The philosophy is perfect........the followers are not.....

 

 

[hinduism♥krishna 0]

 

Prabhuji,

 

In order to know real meaning of vedas & its "real" essence, we shouldnt read vedas as translated by so called "MAX muller's or other westerners". These westerners are ordinary people who dunno anything about God.

 

Pranam... Hare Krishna Hari..

 

I totally agree ! Veda is not an ordinary scripture which can be translated by any top and harry. Only Dvija is allowed to learn or hear Veda .

 

 Vedas don't describe about personal form of god . Vedas are interested in original nature of gods , which they call Nirakara Bramhan . In entire veda , they sing glory of Nirguna and Narakara Bramhan.

 

Now the question , does veda accept krishna as supreme god ? 

 

Yes , vishnu is supreme god . Besides veda glorifies Bhagavan shiva too . In puranas too , both shiva and krishna are mentioned as supreme gods . Sages instructs us that there is no any difference between Hari and Hara . Bhagavata Purana says the same.

 

So my dear friends , they don't have any doubt about unity of Hari and shiva . They both are same . Although they have different forms , only wise people can see them as one all-pervading truth, parabramhan .

 

( ekam sad Vipro Bahudha Vadanti - Rig Veda- Truth is one , sages call it by different names like krishna ,shiva , ganesha , durga etc )

 

Hari Krishna Hari Hari......