Isckon

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The reason why I say that Prbhupada is not a pro-hindu if not anti hindu kindly follow the website

 

http://www.hinduweb.org/home/general_sites/sita/sitakasansar/ISKCON.htm

 

First of all he degrade others gods saying demigods and so on what right he has to say so. He may be in love with Lord Krishna but i don't think Lord krishna preached in gita the way he is preaching now. His(Bhagavatm as it is )is not actually is. There has been various cults before and will be in future as hindusim does not restrict them . The basics of hindusim are strong and will remain strong. The fact is the trinity and u cannot change them.

[yasodanandana 0]

some thoughts:

 

1st of all your message and the sad article shows that you have not read from start to end even one book of srila prabhupada

 

the assumption that all practitioners of hinduism are all advaita, and that the sanatana dharma is advaita is of course imaginary. Mainstream? what mainstream? go to the true and authentically religious simple people of villages in india and say that that krsna, vishnu, venkatesvara and even shiva, durga that they love with all their heart, are simply idols manifested from an impersonal, formless, undefinited (but very gratifying for a pseudo intellectual) brahman.... but bring with you some body guards.. go to tirupati and say that they are worshiping merely a shape coming kindly from brahman for the unintelligent people, and say it even at ayodya if you do not fear to be given some kicks in the ass..

 

hinduism is the only important religion who is calling himself with the name of a nation, christianism is not called "palestinism", islamism ... not "arabism", buddhism .. not "tibetanism". But you insist to be proud to keep your religion in materialistics and political boundaries, with a false name.. india is not india, india is bharata varsa.. even if this name was originally used to define all the world, the saint king bharata was the emperor of the world, not simply the president of "india".

 

i would also to say to you that before srila prabhupada in the west we were believing that the indian religion was merely a mix of tribal, awesome and strange (but funny, from a touristic point of view) beliefs.. and even erotic or pornographic. The average imagine of indian religion was like the indiana jones movies, or the jungle book of kipling or some sort of indian "playboy" magazine (and instruction manual) that some one was relating to the kamasutra...

 

even now, sometimes, india in the west is kamasutra acrobatic sex, and smoking mariuana listening to ravi shankar... and this was the average before prabhupada came in usa

 

but now in 2003 the majority of westerners think that sanatana dharma, or the "indian" religions are a serious thing, not the beliefs of australian abhorigins (even if in a sense they also are serious)... i am italian, practicing gaudya vaishnavism(or "harekrishnism" if you prefere) from 20 years, and i had with great joy to have seen recently a school book used widely in italy by boys from 8 years of age, with the photo of krishna and a nice chapter on "hare krishna mantra" and "hinduism"

 

the other thing is that the beliefs of prabhupada are not iskconian or somewhat new, but also from the famous gaudya vaishnava sampradaya school, traditional, coming from sri chaitanya mahaprabhu (an indian!!) that have exactly the same idea of an "hinduism" as i have explained, and who work somewhat conjointly with iskcon (that is a gaudya math too!!!) making thousands of practising disciples in all india and in the west

 

so the equation "sanatana dharma"="hinduism"="advaita impersonalism".. is not so right

 

who represent well the so called hinduism in the west? sai baba? osho? ananda marga? sri mataji? the new age?

 

so

 

india is famous for the importance given to the elders and to the recognized masters.. so learn to listen attentively to the exact teaching of prabhupada, not a sentimental/superficial/materialistic/politic examine of it, even if you have to change a long time belief

 

learn to recognise, who, even if with different views on some subjects, is bringing and widespreading the culture of your wonderful nation and people (whom i offer my deep respect) all over the world

 

try to understand when a gaudya vaishnava (=hare krishna) says (even if too often and maybe often out of context.. i must say it honestly) "we're not hindu"

 

and let the nice hindunet site to engage them selves in speaking of cheap astrology and matrimonial ads, things they do very well... not spirituality

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna,

 

 

First of all he degrade others gods saying demigods and so on what right he has to say so. He may be in love with Lord Krishna but i don't think Lord krishna preached in gita the way he is preaching now. His(Bhagavatm as it is )is not actually is. There has been various cults before and will be in future as hindusim does not restrict them . The basics of hindusim are strong and will remain strong. The fact is the trinity and u cannot change them.

 

 

What Srila Prabhpada has said is not different from what Acharya Ramanuja, Acharya Madhva and Sri Raghavendra Swamy has said.

 

Vaishnavism is the TRUE form of Vedic religion.

 

I would suggest you visit some webites.

 

Go to the following website and

Look for "Visistadvaitha - Tutorial"

 

http://sriramanujar.tripod.com

 

Go to this website and learn what Acharya Madhva has taught.

 

http://www.dvaita.org/index.shtml

 

Go this link that teaches Lord Visnu's supremacy according Acharya Madhva's tradition.

 

http://www.tatvavada.org/eng/works/pdf/vtvn.pdf

 

Lord Visnu or Lord Krishna is ONE GOD of Hinduism and Vedas while other Devas are under HIS control.

 

Rig Veda(7:40:5)

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asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viSNoreSasya prabhRthe havirbhiH

vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAvat

 

With offerings I propitiate the branches of this swift-moving God, the bounteous Visnu.

Hence Rudra gained his Rudra-strength: O Asvins, ye sought the house that hath celestial viands.

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Rig Veda: 10:125

 

Verse 5:

 

yaM kAmaye taM--tamugraM kRNomi tambrahmANaM taM RSiM taM sumedhAm

 

I make whoever I like Ugra(Rudra), Brahma, Rsi or a wise man.

 

verse 6:

 

ahaM rudrAya dhanurA tanomi brahmadviSe sharave hantavAu

ahaM janAya samadaM kRNomyahaM dyAvApRthivI Avivesha

 

6 I bend the bow for Rudra that his arrow may strike and slay the hater of devotion.

I rouse and order battle for the people, and I have penetrated Earth and Heaven.

 

Verse 7:

 

ahaM suve pitaramasya mUrdhan mama yonirapsvantaH samudre

 

She says that the source of her might is the being from the ocean.

 

Again Rudra, Brahma etc. are found here to be lower in Taratamya to this Goddess and she says that her home is in the ocean. This is again the unmistakable reference to Goddess Laksmi. She is subservient to Lord Visnu.

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Vishvakarma Sukta(10:82)from Rig-Veda

 

5. paro divA para enA pRthivyA paro devebhirasurairyadasti

kaM svid garbhaM prathamaM dadhra Apo yatra devAHsamapashyanta vishve

6. tamid garbhaM prathamaM dadhra Apo yatra devAHsamagachanta vishve

ajasya nAbhAvadhyekamarpitaMyasmin vishvAni bhuvanAni tasthuH

 

5 That which is earlier than this earth and heaven, before the Asuras and Gods had being,-

What was the germ primeval which the waters received where all the Gods were seen together?

6 The waters, they received that germ primeval wherein the Gods were gathefed all together.

It rested set upon the Unborn's navel, that One wherein abide all things existing.

 

Unborn's navel: The unmistakable mark or refrence to VISNU.

Verse 3 of same Sukta: What does it say ?

yo devAnAM nAmadhA eka eva taM samprashnambhuvanA yantyanyA

Even he alone, the Deities' narne-giver,him other beings seek for information.

Can be better translated as "One who bears the name of all other Deities".

So it is Lord Visnu who is Sarvottama.

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"all the deities are Agni; the sacrifice is Visnu; verily he lays hold of the deities and the sacrifice; Agni is the lowest of the deities, Visnu the highest; in that he offers to Agni and Visnu on eleven potsherds, the sacrificer envelops the gods [4] on both sides and wins them." Yajur Veda 5:5:1

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In the 10th book of Rig Veda, Vayu Sukta mentions Vayu Deva powdering and making the Visha (from the ocean that was churned) edible to Lord Siva. So Lord Shiva is even lower in Taratamya with respect to Vayu Deva.

 

Rig Veda: 10:136:7

 

vAyurasmA upAmanthat pinaSTi smA kunannamA

keshIviSasya pAtreNa yad rudreNApibat saha

 

Vayu hath churned for him: for him he poundeth things most hard to bend,

 

When he with long loose locks hath drunk, with Rudra, water from the cup.

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What else you require. The last verse is to show that there is gradation among Devas and that what we believe in the name of Hinduism is not right as per the Vedas.

 

The point is Srila Prabhupada taught VEDIC principles and he was absoulutely right when he said Lord Krishna is THE GOD in VEDAS and that all other Devas are Demi-Gods.

[Guest guest]

dear guest,

 

hindus and hare krishnas need to unite at this time and need to understand each other. if you are a hindu hater only then you will keep aggravating arguments between these two groups who essentially are same.

 

the final word in hinduism is not advaita.

we the vedic people have advaita and dwaita (vaishnavism) ever since the time of creation. the debates between these two will never end. but the this is not time to debate it when the terrorists are lurking around, for whom both these groups are on the cross-wire of ak-47. islam is the enemy of all. let us focus on it and unite as the devotees of krishna, the speaker of gita, THE BOOK OF HINDUISM.

 

See below aticle for more.

jai sri krishna! -madhav

 

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Hindus & Hare Krishnas (HK’s) Unity

by “Madhav”

 

Background:

 

Terms Defined:

 

The word Hindu is about 1200 years old. When the Islamists started invading India around 900 AD, they had to cross the river Sindhu at the NW border of Bharat (India).

They would pronounce Sindhu as Hindu. So, the world Hindu to them meant the people who lived on the East and South side of Sindhu. These people were (and most of them still are) the followers of Sanatana Dharma or Varnasrama Dharma that is described in the ancient Vedas and the Vedic literature. Their culture is known as the Vedic culture. People accept the authority of the Vedas and live by it. The culture is such that every one in the society has equal opportunity to progress spiritually towards God. Every act of daily life is geared towards God in mind and for spiritual progress. According to the Vedas, Sanatana Dharma is as old as the creation. So, the word Hindu meant the Vedic person and Vedic way of living (Sanatana Dharma) came to be known as Hinduism. The words Hindu or Hinduism are not mentioned in the Vedic literature because the name change occurred long after the scriptures were put on paper. Originally the literatures were kept in memory of the Brahmana class of the society.

 

Hinduism is a very tolerant Dharma. The Book of Hinduism is Bhagavad Gita that is generally known is Gita. It is a 700-verse summary of 80,000-verse Vedas. While other religions give a set of beliefs for one to accept or reject. Hinduism provides spiritual truths that are as true and universal as the laws of science, like gravity or mathematics. Once can accept these truths and live by it, or choose to not accept and eventually suffer if the laws are violated. Just as the laws of gravity does not change no matter what you believe about it, the spiritual laws and facts about God and soul do not change whether you believe them or not. Hinduism, in principle, provides all possible ways of realizing God. That is why it talks of many names of gods. That is why it is difficult for non-Hindus to understand it. Consequently most non-Hindu cultures have misunderstood it and even condemned it. Every religion has some people who malpractice it. Hinduism is not any exception, but malpractice does not and cannot change what a religion originally is. While Islam and Christianity tells the followers to convert the whole world, Hinduism tells not talk about Hinduism to any one who is not showing friendly interest to know it. Consequently, the Hindus have never invaded another’s country and never have converted any one by force. Hinduism is inherently a secular way of living. Consequently the phrase “Hindu Fundamentalism” or “Hindu Fanatic” is an oxymoron. Unlike Islam and Christianity, Hinduism is not an organized religion.

 

Bharat is described in the Vedic literature as devabhoomi, the land of the gods. It is a holy land of rishis (spiritual scientist), saints, sanyasis (people who give up worldly life for spiritual life), sadhus (godly people), and yogis and mystics. Most Hindus are God conscious.

 

Hinduism says God is one. As creator He is Brahma, as maintainer, He is Vishnu, and as destroyer, He is Shiva. Then there are many demi-gods who serve God, just as there are many Governors and Mayors who serve the President. Consequently a Shiva worshipper Hindu is known a Shivite, and Vishnu worshipper is known is Vaishnava, etc. The philosophy of Vaishnavas is called Vaishnavism. This, Vaishnavism is a major part of Hinduism ever since Hinduism exists.

 

Hinduism is non-sectarian. It addresses or is for all the people of all times and places.

Hinduism has no pagans. Hindus are skin-color-blind. Race is transparent to them.

Bharat is the cradle of the Vedic civilization. So, Bharat is the land of the Hindus, just as Israel is the land of the Jews.

 

Hindu Nationalism is a new phenomenon, although Bharat is a nation of the Hindus since thousands of years. Since 1200 years the Hindus have been kicked and persecuted in their own land by Islamists and for 200 or so years before 1947 ruled over by the British people. Even after so much and so long suffering, the Hindus remained tolerant to the aggressors (Islamists and Christians). Gandhi made it worse for the Hindus by creating Pakistan for the Islamists and still allowing the Muslims to live in Bharat. He did it so because the Muslims threatened a civil war in 1947 and Gandhi did not want a war. What he did in actuality was he made the non-violent Hindus more tolerant of the aggressors, and he failed to make the violent aggressor Islamists non-violent. Now the Hindus do not want to tolerate any more non-sense from the Islamists or any one else. They want to keep Bharat intact, undisturbed, and reserved for the Hindus where they do not want any aggressor religion or ideology that thinks of converting any Hindu. They are working at internal level to stop Hinduism malpractice, and external level to cleanup Bharat of the ideologies that are aggressive to Hinduism and Hindus. Being Hindus, they preferred non-violent ways so far and for long, and none worked. The violent ways are within the scope of Hinduism as described in Gita and they know it. Gandhi’s non-violence message was from Jainism, not Hinduism. So, this sudden change in Hindus’ mood to restore self-respect and get control of their own land and self-rule is seen by the invader outsiders as Hindu fundamentalism, but it is not. Hindus really do not care what other countries do in their own country. They just want to make sure they can practice Hinduism without any hindrance from any one in their own land Bharat.

 

 

The phrase “Hare Krishnas” identifies the Western followers of Bhakti-vedanta Swami Prabhupada who preached Krishna Consciousness (KC). KC is same as Vaishnavism at taught by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu some 500 years ago. His philosophy is slightly different from that taught by three Vaishnava Aacharya (religious authorities) that came before him.

 

The Current Time:

 

This is post 9/11/2001 WTC attack time and early 2003. 9/11 attack on WTC has made the world know the barbaric nature of Islam. The Hindus have many times suffered genocide over 1200 years from Islamists in Bharat. Therefore, the Hindus, being the vitims, know the barbaric nature of Islam since a long time. The current barbaric acts of Islamists towards Hindus are: The destruction of Baminan Buddha statue in Afghanistan, attack on Akshardham and Raghunath temples in Bharat. The web page http://www.hinduunity.org describes many such acts towards the Hindus.

 

The jeehaad or Islamists’ holy war against all the non-Muslim people of the world is an asymmetric war of terrorism. (They do jeehaad as described in their Holy Book, Koran and Hadith.) No government alone can fight terrorism and win it. Everyone (or most of the) citizen needs to fight it in whatever small or big way one can fight it, violently or non-violently. For Hindus, violent war is the last choice. When all have to fight, then unity of purpose, organizing, planning, manning, funding, and executing is required. Therefore, the Hindus and HK’s can unite for this purpose. However, the way Sri Prabhupada has presented KC, it makes difficult for HK’s to unite with the Hindus. When many Hindus see that Hk’s do not understand them, then they turn away from HK’s and sometimes become hostile to HK’s. Still many Hindus do support HK’s. This article aims to discuss it with the hope that it will help HK’s unite with Hindus. Once properly understood, it would be seen that unity is already there but not realized.

 

Now the Article:

 

Some points (facts) are described below.

 

a) Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada who came to USA in 1965 and preached KC for 12 years all over the world was a Hindu. He was born and raised in Bharat (although that is not a condition to become a Hindu.) He practiced and preached KC or Vaishnavism or Krishna bhakti or Bhagavat dharma that is a major part or sect of Hinduism or Sanatana Dharma. He preached Bhagavad Gita and Srimad Bhagavatam. Gita is the Book of Hinduism. Krishna is known as God Vishnu among Hindus and in the Vedic literature.

b) Hare Krishnas are Hindus. This is clear when they practice and preach KC. The Hindus clearly see it this way. If some one who follows Jesus is no doubt a Christian, then one who follows and worships Krishna is no doubt a Hindu. If a bird says it is not a bird, that does note make it a non–bird.

c) Prabhupada said to his followers that he is not preaching Hinduism, so HK’s are not Hindus, he said. So the question is why he said so in light of paragraph a) above. Some answers are as follows:

c1: Many Hindus have malpracticed Hinduism, and Hinduism is more than Vaishnavism. The malpractice is going away now, but is still there somewhat. Most non-Hindus incorrectly think that Hinduism is what the most Hindus practice. Rather than telling about the malpractices to the followers who mostly hated Hinduism because they do not know it correctly, he told he is not preaching Hinduism. This was to avoid the discussion about the malpractices and different sects’ principles of Hinduism. This was a lie, but for good reason, just like parents sometimes lie to a child to take a medicine that ultimately will make the child healthy.

c2) The Islamists and the Christians have introduced Hinduism to the world incorrectly and defamed it for selfish reasons. Consequently most non-Hindus do not know what Hinduism really is, and hate it for what they know about it. If Prabhupada had said, ”I am teaching a part of Hinduism,” most would have turned away from him before listening him any more. So, it helped him teach pure Vaishnavism to them by telling it is not Hinduism or a sect of it.

c3) When he said he is not preaching Hinduism, it became attractive to all, even who hated Hinduism. So, he got more followers, as he wanted.

d) When the Hindus hear that Prabhupada said he is not preaching Hinduism when in reality he is, they (especially those who follow Hinduism correctly) feel that Prabhupada stole Hinduism and did not give due credit to the Hindus who kept Hinduism alive despite many Hindu genocides by the Muslims. This is like a mother (even a prostitute) will feel really bad, upset, and hurt when her son says, “I am not your child.” Although Hinduism is for every human being, it is the Hindus who kept it as their treasured heritage. So, when some one takes this heritage and spreads it, they feel good about it. However, when no credit is given to the Hindus for carrying on the culture for future generations, they feel bad about it. Similarly when the Hindus see that yoga and Aayurveda are silently stolen from Hindu heritage and commercialized, and no credit is given to the Hindus, they feel bad about it. The Hindu nationalists want to understand this heritage correctly and practice it well, especially in Bharat.

 

e) Prabhupada preached pure Vaishnavism but packaged it wrongly to make it attractive to his western audience. Removing this false package does not change his preaching subject (Vaishnavism) at all. Vaishnavism still can be preached as Prabhupada taught it, but saying that it is a major sect of Hinduism. No harm can happen to the KC movement if this is done.

 

f) When KC is recognized by HK’s as a part of Hinduism, millions of the Hindus will feel good about it and support the movement. Note that even without this correction, many Hindus do support KC movement. Hindus have no problem with others if others want to worship only one god exclusively. However, HK’s should not look down to the Hindus just because they worship many gods. They do it because there are many gods (devas/ devis). When they understand dharma correctly then they worship only one god.

 

g) Currently HK’s are not supporting Hindu nationalist movement but the Hindus are supporting KC movement. Thus there is no mutual support that is needed when Islamists have declared war on all the kafirs (HK’s included). If the Hindu nationalists do not keep Islam and Christianity out of Bharat, then over some time not far, there will not be any Hindu temples or pilgrimage places like Vrindavan and Jagannath or Dwarika. It all will be just mosques, and burqa for women and cow slaughters every where. Islam is very intolerant, and Koran and Hadith and Saria are the books of religion as well as the government. Sure HK’s do not want this, and therefore they need to support Hindu nationalist movement as the Hindus support KC movement.

 

h) Hinduism (Vaishnavism included) has four divisions of society. Ideally, the Brahmanas are the spiritual guides of the society. Kshatriyas are the protective class, the police and military to keep law and order so that every one can practice their dharma without any problem from any one. Vaishya are farmers and traders and merchants, and shudras are the labor class. Every society has these four classes. Without kshatriyas or the Hindu nationalists, the Hinduism will be run over by the Islamists in Bharat. Hindu-HK unity is desirable to avoid this and keep Hinduism alive and well for future generations on this earth.

 

Bottom line:

 

Vaishnavism the HK’s practice and preach is a major sect of Hinduism. It is a subset of Hinduism. Therefore, HK’s are Hindus and they need to accept this truth just as a Californian will not say he is not an American. The Hindus have no doubt about it. The HK’s should thank Sri Prabhupada for telling them (even incorrectly) he is not preaching Hinduism and thus making them Krishna devotees. Hinduism is just a recent new name for Varnasrama dharma or Sanatana dharma. The word “Hinduism” should not be used to mean all the malpractice the Hindus did in the past. Rather Hinduism needs to be presented to the world as it actually is given by Krishna in Gita. HK’s need to be sympathetic to the Hindu nationalist movement called Hindutva in reciprocation of the fact that Hindus do support KC movement. The current HK preachers need not say any more that they are not preaching Hinduism because now they know KC is not bad as malpracticed Hinduism was. It is very true and correct to say Vaishnavism is a sect of Hinduism and they are preaching that only in its pure form, and practice it correctly. The purpose of the article is to cause unity that is beneficial for HK’s as well as the Hindus.

 

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

 

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[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna,

 

To my knowledge not all ISKCONites look down on Hindus. Godd example will be Stephen Knapp.

 

http://www.stephen-knapp.com

 

Neither does Gita prevent people from worshipping Devas, but many of us Hindus get hurt seeing Prabhupada's teachings while his is no different than many Vaishnava Acharyas. Nobody is fighting here, only that I am happy to show evidence from Vedas to the person concerned.

[Guest guest]

BG 9.1: The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence.

 

BG 9.2: This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed.

 

BG 9.3: Those who are not faithful in this devotional service cannot attain Me, O conqueror of enemies. Therefore they return to the path of birth and death in this material world.

 

BG 9.4: By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.

 

BG 9.5: And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me. Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the very source of creation.

 

BG 9.6: Understand that as the mighty wind, blowing everywhere, rests always in the sky, all created beings rest in Me.

 

BG 9.7: O son of Kunti, at the end of the millennium all material manifestations enter into My nature, and at the beginning of another millennium, by My potency, I create them again.

 

BG 9.8: The whole cosmic order is under Me. Under My will it is automatically manifested again and again, and under My will it is annihilated at the end.

 

BG 9.9: O Dhanañjaya, all this work cannot bind Me. I am ever detached from all these material activities, seated as though neutral.

 

BG 9.10: This material nature, which is one of My energies, is working under My direction, O son of Kunti, producing all moving and nonmoving beings. Under its rule this manifestation is created and annihilated again and again.

 

BG 9.11: Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be.

 

BG 9.12: Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated.

 

BG 9.13: O son of Pritha, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible.

 

BG 9.14: Always chanting My glories, endeavoring with great determination, bowing down before Me, these great souls perpetually worship Me with devotion.

 

BG 9.15: Others, who engage in sacrifice by the cultivation of knowledge, worship the Supreme Lord as the one without a second, as diverse in many, and in the universal form.

 

BG 9.16: But it is I who am the ritual, I the sacrifice, the offering to the ancestors, the healing herb, the transcendental chant. I am the butter and the fire and the offering.

 

BG 9.17: I am the father of this universe, the mother, the support and the grandsire. I am the object of knowledge, the purifier and the syllable om. I am also the Rig, the Sama and the Yajur Vedas.

 

BG 9.18: I am the goal, the sustainer, the master, the witness, the abode, the refuge, and the most dear friend. I am the creation and the annihilation, the basis of everything, the resting place and the eternal seed.

 

BG 9.19: O Arjuna, I give heat, and I withhold and send forth the rain. I am immortality, and I am also death personified. Both spirit and matter are in Me.

 

BG 9.20: Those who study the Vedas and drink the soma juice, seeking the heavenly planets, worship Me indirectly. Purified of sinful reactions, they take birth on the pious, heavenly planet of Indra, where they enjoy godly delights.

 

BG 9.21: When they have thus enjoyed vast heavenly sense pleasure and the results of their pious activities are exhausted, they return to this mortal planet again. Thus those who seek sense enjoyment by adhering to the principles of the three Vedas achieve only repeated birth and death.

 

BG 9.22: But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My transcendental form — to them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they have.

 

BG 9.23: Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only Me, O son of Kunti, but they do so in a wrong way.

 

BG 9.24: I am the only enjoyer and master of all sacrifices. Therefore, those who do not recognize My true transcendental nature fall down.

 

BG 9.25: Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship the ancestors go to the ancestors; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; and those who worship Me will live with Me.

 

BG 9.26: If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.

 

BG 9.27: Whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you offer or give away, and whatever austerities you perform — do that, O son of Kunti, as an offering to Me.

 

BG 9.28: In this way you will be freed from bondage to work and its auspicious and inauspicious results. With your mind fixed on Me in this principle of renunciation, you will be liberated and come to Me.

 

BG 9.29: I envy no one, nor am I partial to anyone. I am equal to all. But whoever renders service unto Me in devotion is a friend, is in Me, and I am also a friend to him.

 

BG 9.30: Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated in his determination.

 

BG 9.31: He quickly becomes righteous and attains lasting peace. O son of Kunti, declare it boldly that My devotee never perishes.

 

BG 9.32: O son of Pritha, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth — women, vaisyas [merchants] and sudras [workers] — can attain the supreme destination.

 

BG 9.33: How much more this is so of the righteous brahmanas, the devotees and the saintly kings. Therefore, having come to this temporary, miserable world, engage in loving service unto Me.

 

BG 9.34: Engage your mind always in thinking of Me, become My devotee, offer obeisances to Me and worship Me. Being completely absorbed in Me, surely you will come to Me.

 

[Guest guest]

The article link to in the original post erroneously said that Prabhupada was against sanatan-dharma. Actually he is for sanatana dharma and clarified it's meaning.

[Guest guest]

horrified about the huge prejudice attached clearly to these so called jeehads/ islamists...generalization here that they are all violent, do you not think they too have been suffering genocide for centuries? oppression? poverty? clearly read up a bit on islamic history to get facts in perspective.

[Guest guest]

madhaav is not representative of any religion or path, ask him of deep concepts, spiritual concepts, and you will understand that he is able only to make some delirant, terrorist, fanatic, pseudo political messages and nothing more

[Guest guest]

Great website.

100% correct information.

[Guest guest]

the information that iskcon is not hindu is not a secret, we were not waiting for this marvellous site to know this thing

 

prabhupada says it

gaudya vaishnava says it from 16century

iskcon says it

 

no hinduism.... where's the problem?

[Guest guest]

You are talking about a religion thet started in the 16th century.

Hinduism is eternal.

 

And if you are not a hindu, what are you doing here?

This is not the place you are supposed to be. This websie is Hindu religion .net and not ISKON.net or somthing like that. So just pack off.

[Raguraman 0]

Hare Krishna,

 

 

You are talking about a religion thet started in the 16th century.

 

 

Perhaps you think Vedas were written in 16th century.

 

 

Hinduism is eternal.

 

 

What is Hinduism. It is a word coined by some foreigners. and most of the practises within this religion are not Vedic. Should I start,

 

1. Damned caste system

2. Tantric sex

3. So called saints puffing ganja

 

 

And if you are not a hindu, what are you doing here?

This is not the place you are supposed to be. This websie is Hindu religion .net and not ISKON.net or somthing like that. So just pack off.

 

 

If this site is about Hinduism, how come you are discussing about ISKCON ?

[Guest guest]

Thats always the problem with you.

It seems you have what JJ calls " Selective amnesia".

You do not follow the sequence of the posts and are suddenly jumping in.

 

To wake you off from your " Selective Amnesia", let me point out that on guest started claiming that ISKONS are not hindus.

That is the cause. What all followed is a reaction.

 

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You are talking about a religion thet started in the 16th century.

 

 

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Perhaps you think Vedas were written in 16th century.*******

I dont think so, but one of the messages said, they knew it all along since 16th century. Again a case of Selective amnesia" where you have forgotten the statement that provoked this reaction.

 

And what do you mean by practice? Do you mean rituals, or culture, way of living, or attitude?

 

 

[Guest guest]

You are talking about a religion thet started in the 16th century.

Hinduism is eternal.

--no.. vaishnavism is eternal.. hinduism is a kali yuga corruption of sanatana dharma.. in 16th century, with the experience of sri chaitanya mahaprabhu, we saw clearly that the so called hinduists only apparently are very close to vaishnavism

 

And if you are not a hindu, what are you doing here?

--there's a debate called iskcon and i say my opinion.... if hinduism is everything, like very often you say, also a non hindu is hindu

 

This websie is Hindu religion .net and not ISKON.net or somthing like that. So just pack off.

--everything is brahman.. i cannot pack and get out from brahman :-D