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Narayana is the supreme God of the Hindus. He took many avatars & represent many gods like Rama, Krishna, Narasimha etc. Shiva, Brahma are also forms of Narayana only. Hindus can worship any God of their choice. It is the freedom given by Hindu religion alone in this world. Ganesh represents to destroy obstacles in our life. Saraswati represents to give Knowledge. Laksmi represents to give wealth. But ultimate God is Narayana. He is the main deity.

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krsna is not an avatara, he's the supreme personality of godhead

 

read bhagavad gita before giving wrong informations

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You know a lot of hindus say Krishna is an

Avatara of Lord Vishnu, when they say this

they mean non-different, even when I was

say 5 years or so I knew Krishna is Lord Vishnu

they are non-different, you always see

Lord Vishnu turn into baby Krishna in

movies and pictures, so this means they

are non-different.

 

So when people say Krishna is an avatar of

Lord Vishnu/Narayana this is what they

mean.

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“Sri KRSNa Caitanya MahAprabhu, the original guru of the entire

world, has explained that there are three fundamental principles

in vaiSNava-dharma:

sambandha-tattva, knowledge of one’s relationship with BhagavAn (the Lord);

abhidheya-tattva , the means by which the ultimate goal is achieved; and

prayojana-tattva , the ultimate goal of kRSNa-prema (sweetest love of God).

A Suddha (pure)-vaiSNava or Suddha-bhakta is one who

knows these three principles and acts in accordance with them.

“The first principle, sambandha-tattva, includes three separate

topics:

The first topic is the material world (jaDa-jagat), or the fundamental

truth regarding the potency that creates bewilderment

(mAyika-tattva);

the second topic is the living beings (jivas), or the

fundamental truth regarding the predominated entities (adhinatattva);

and

the third topic is BhagavAn , or the fundamental truth

regarding the predominating entity (prabhu-tattva).

“Bhagavan is

one without a second and

endowed with all potencies.

He is all-attractive,

the exclusive abode

of opulence

and sweetness , and

is the sole shelter for all jivas .

Athough He is the only shelter of maya and all the jivas, still

He is aloof

and independent

and exisits in His own supreme, independent form

which is uncommonly beautiful .

The effulgence of His limbs radiates to a great distance,

manifesting as the nirvishesha-brahma (the white loving light realized by impersonalists).

Through His divine potency known as aisha-shakti

He manifests the jivas and the material world, and

then enters into that world as ParamAtmA, who is His partial expansion.

This is the fundamental truth concerning Ishvara, the supreme controller, or ParamAtmA, the indwelling

Supersoul.

 

(Source Jaiva Dharma by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Chapter 4 - Vaishnava Dharma is nitya (eternal) dharma (true nature of the soul))

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“In the VaikuNTha region of the spiritual sky, beyond this material

universe,

He manifests as NArAyaNa,

His feature of supreme opulence and majesty .

In Goloka VRndAvana, which is beyond VaikuNTha,

He manifests as Gopijana-vallabha

(the most dear of the gopis- cowheard girs),

Sri KRSNacandra,

His feature of supreme sweetness .

 

His various types of expansions,

such as identical manifestations (prakASa) and

pastime forms (vilasa), are eternal and unlimited.

Nothing and no one is equal to Him,

what to speak of being superior to Him.”

 

Source Jaiva Dharma by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Chapter 4 - Vaishnava Dharma is nitya (eternal) dharma (true nature of the soul)

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THere are no hindu gods. Krsna is God in vedic Culture. Narayan and visnu are expansions of lord krsna. Krsna explains in the bhagavat gita that he is the supreme personality of godhead. Everything comes from him. The rest are demigods.

 

Read the Bhagavat gita before we give any misinformation

 

Hare krsna

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Hare Krishna,

 

Lord Narayana = All Avatars(Lord Krishna, Lord Narasimha, Lord Vamana etc.).

 

Avatars are IDENTICAL with Lord Narayana.

 

Lord Shiva, Lord Bramha etc. are JIVA tattvas like us. They are superior to humans but can never be compared to Lord Narayana and HIS avatars.

This is what Vedas declare. Search for quotes provided in this section.

 

Vayu Sukta, Devi Sukta, Visvakarma Sukta of Rig veda shows this clearly.

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His identical manifestations and pastime forms,

prakASa and vilAsa,

are manifested by His superior potency known as parA-Sakti .

This parA-Sakti displays its prowess (vikrama) in many different features,

out of which only three are known to the jives (spiritual soul). The first is

the internal potency, cid-vikrama , which arranges Sri Hari’s

transcendental pastimes and everything related to them.

The second is the marginal potency, jiva or taTastha-vikrama, which manifests

and sustains innumerable jivas (spiritual souls).

The third is the potency that creates bewilderment ,

mAyA-vikrama, which creates

material time,

material activities, and

all the insubstantial objects

of this world.

 

Source Jaiva Dharma by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Chapter 4 - Vaishnava Dharma is nitya (eternal) dharma (true nature of the soul)

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“Sambandha-tattva comprises

Ishvara’s (Supreme Controler) relationship with the jivas (spiritual souls),

the relationship of the jivas and of matter with Ishvara , and

the relationship of Ishvara and of the jivas with matter .

One who understands this sambandha-tattva completely

is situated in sambandha-jnana, and

one who does not have sambandha-jnana

cannot become a pure Vaishnava (devotee of the Supreme Personality)

by any means.”

Source Jaiva Dharma by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Chapter 4 - Vaishnava Dharma is nitya (eternal) dharma (true nature of the soul)

 

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one who does not have sambandha-jnana

cannot become a pure Vaishnava (devotee of the Supreme Personality)by any means.

 

 

"I have heard from some Vaishnavas that

one is a real Vaishnava only if he experiences the path of devotion

through bhAva (emotions), so there is no need for knowledge. How

much truth is there in this statement? Up until now I have simply

tried to evoke emotions through the singing of hari-nAma saNkirtana;

I have not made any attempt to understand sambandha-jnana.”

 

(This is the question of Lahiri Mahasaya in the same book)

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Babaji said, “The highest fruit of attainment for the Vaishnavas

is the development of bhava, the first sprout of prema (pure love of God)

and the basis for all transcendental emotions.

However, that state of bhäva must be pure.

Even a single drop of shuddha (pure) bhAva

can fulfill the highest aspiration of the jiva, but (for example) the display

of emotions by those who are polluted with the jNana (knowledge) that is aimed

at attaining nirvishesha (without qualities)-brahma (pure light) is a great calamity for the jivas.

The devotional sentiments of people who feel that they are one with

brahma are merely a cheating display. Therefore, sambandha-jnana is absolutely essential for pure devotees.”

 

(Quelle: Jaiva Dharma by Srila B Vinoda Thakura)

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Krishna of the Gita was indeed the supreme personality of Godhead aas he showed the Vishwa Roopa(Vishw - Universal, Roopa - Form) to Arjuna. But Krishna also refers to himself as Narayana and to Arjuna as Nara.

 

So I think both were the same.

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Lord Krishna means the fountian head of which all incarnations and demigods are comming from.He is the oringal seed giving father and all things are resting on Him as pearls are apon a tread.

Krishna out of His sweet will creates 3 catalogries of souls for His pleasure

Vishnu Tatva ,Siva Tatava ,Jiva tattva

Lord Krishna in Vrindaban is Krishna but when He appears to leave Vrindanban and preform other leela he does so in His Narayana Vashudeva portion like Krishna is Dwarka is actually not really Krishna Leela but Vasudeva Leela as actually Krishna ia allways eternally only personally present in Vrindaban

So Krishna means Goloka Vrindaban the orginal source of all spiritual and material universes.

And His like expansions like Balarama Vasudeva Annirudha Pradumnyna and then He expanses into Narayan which means He is laying with the Nara ocean or the Causual Ocean in His huge Naranya Form in Yoga Nirdra Maha Vishnu and as He sleeps from the pour of His skin zillion apon zillion od material universes emerge and in these He also incarnates in a small Naranaya Form on Floating on an Ocean of MilK or Sira dah si Vishnu and His planet is the central planet with these Universes from His navel sprouts the lotus Flower in which Lord Brahma is born and from Brahma all the demi gods with Mahadeva as the head enter into these Universes in this way.

This is all explained in Srimate Bhagavatum but present day practioners of Vedic culture must understand that the process of understanding Lord Krishna is threw the bonifide Guru Prarumpara not by hearing from unaurthorized sources such as so called Hindus gurus which are self appointed and present cults which become popular from time to time.

Hinduism the term is clouded at best and it is considered to be like bamboo in comparision to the sugar cane of Krishna Consciousness by Shree Chaitanya Deva.

Hinduism is dry and tasteless as dry bamboo there is much confuishion because of the teaching of Buddhism and the Shree Shankara much misunderstanding .

We in the west have been blessed by the saint Srila Prabhupada who has Presented Shree Krishna Himself as Shree Chaitanya Mahaprabhu if one wants to know who is Krishna he must study who is Shree Chaitanya Mahaprabhu for Krishna in truth as He reveals Himself

Hari Bolo

Jai Gour Nitai

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There is only one Spirit eternal, which has divided itself into higher (soul) and lower (nature) energies. Your spiritual destiny is to separate yourself from nature's workings and realize that you are an eternal spark of the divine. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't confuse yourself with gods and goddesses.

 

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refer to Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 10 Chp 1 text 2

 

"yados ca dharma-silasya

nitaram muni-sattama

tatramsena vatirnasya

visnor viryani samsa nah"

 

the above text "visnor viryani " - activities of Visnu clearly indicates Krsna to be a Vibhava (activity) avatara of Lord Visnu .

 

 

 

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Anadi

 

Jaiva Dharma by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura can be authoritative to the Gaudiyas but its not the absolute authority for all other Hindus.

 

This is not a Gaudiya forum, its a discussion forum on Hindu philosophy and religion. Abandon your tunnel vision and hear what other Hindu sects have to say on this matter

 

 

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can anybody tell me some hindu gods' names??or anyhting about an ancient family tree? thank you

 

 

The most well known among Hindu gods are as follows:

 

Vishnu (Krishna/Rama)

Shiva

Shakti (Durga)

Ganesh

Skanda (Muruga/Kartikkeya)

Surya

 

It is said in our scriptures that there are 330 million devas or gods. They are not to be confused with the Supreme God, who is described in our scriptures as Vishnu or Krishna. Thus they are sometimes referred to as demigods in English.

 

All of the demigods are empowered by Lord Vishnu to carry out universal affairs, much like government servants working under the central government.

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Vayu: lord of the winds.

Soorya: Lord of the sun.

Varuna: Lord of the waters.

Saraswati: Godess of the wisdom.

Indra: Lord of the heavens.

 

these are some of the ones i can remember in this very moment i hope it can help in some way.

You have to remember that sometimes gods and demigods as Srila Prabhupada called them have different names in different sircumstances.

But in spite of everything Krishna is GOD.

 

Hari bol.

 

 

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Maha Vishnu lies on the casual oceon, from him everyting emenates by his internal potency. As he breathes out, the universe is formed, thus forming expansions of visnu, who then create the appropriate demigods and in turn they create the environment that we live in. When this universe will end, it will go back to Maha Visnu and everything will rest inside his stomach.

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But in spite of that every demigod is a different person. Everythig emanates from Maha Vishnu, Krishna, but they are independets one.

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Thanks, dear friend from Chennai. It is really good to know that there are some who know what they are talking about!

 

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1. vishnu (bhagavan)

has many names and forms.

2. siva (bhagavan)

3. pArvati (also known as uma, sati, etc.) devi

manifests in different characters, forms and names,

likeambaa, bahuchara, chandi, durga, kaali,

bhavaani, sita, raadhaa, etc.

 

4. Ganesh deva

5. SUrya (sun) deva.

 

devas are many, god- bhagavaan is one.

 

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