ram 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2002 Yesterday in ISKCON, LA there was a program celebrating the grand success of LA Rath Yatra. During that program, there was a wonderful Odissi dance for the song : guru brahma guru vishnu guru sAkshAt majeshwara ... As per this song the guru is called parabrahman! I was wondering how this related to the gaudiya vaishnava school of thought. I thought it was very advaitic in content. Is this sign of growing tolerance towards advaitam ? Any thoughts ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sha 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2002 <center>Great Jnani devotee Uddhava revealed in Srimad Bhagavatam: naivapanyanty apachitim kavaya tavesa barhmayasapi krtamrddam udah smarantah yo' antarbahis tanubhritam asubham vidhunvan na acarya caitaya vapusa svagatim vyanakti The devoted Uddhava said to Lord Krishna : <font color="red">"O Lord, the surrendered devotees, whose joys increase as they THINK of THY favours, can NEVER- not even in the lifetime of Brahma (Cosmic creator)- repay their DEBT of gratitude to Thee, Who revealest Thy naure, by removing the evil (hankering for sense-pleasures) of ALL beings </font><font color="blue">in a DOUBLE form - outside, as the TEACHER, and inside as the Indwelling Ruler."</font> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 11, 2004 Have u got a story of a guru, who give a wooden stick to a person who wants to see god Krishna and tell hims to do the puja of the stick and give water every day and gods will come to you. He followd that n 1 day god Krishna comes and gives him darshan and then this person/bhagat bring this guru who told him to do that and then he says: "Guru Govinb Dono Khade Kisi ke Lagun paye" i want this story in full detail and i will be greatfull if you could send me this story on my email if you want. Thank you Suriya_shakti@hotmail.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadhav 0 Report post Posted July 11, 2004 ram ji, your question is to the HKs, but i woudl asnwer it as a hindu. the vedic literature describes advaita and dvaita both. so, the words 'guru sakshat para brahma just gives importane to having a guru. krishan also recommeds to have a guru. tad viddhi praNipAtena pariprashnena sevayA.. now, if HKs understand this and not debte dvaita advaita with the hindus till the terrorism etc. rpoblems re solves, then it would be nice. but sooner or later the HK's would come to the understandig that they are following the vaishnav branch of hinduism. advaita is another branch and still vedic, as vaishnavism is vedic. so, it deserves due respect. the BTG monthly of HK's also once published an article on sankaracharya and showed respect for him. so it seems the HKs are moving in the right direction about their attitude towards the hindus. prabhupada was a great guru. he made many hippies first class HKs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 11, 2004 prabhupada was a great guru. he made many hippies first class HKs. it is very offensive to think at "first class gaudya vaishnavas" as ex hippies gaudya vaishnavas are only a little percentage "ex hippies" prabhupada did'nt like that prayer.. because it is impersonalists (=leading to atheism) we accept the complessive result of the ratha yatra as very good and transcendental... but that prayer had not to be chanted shankaracharya is well respected by gaudya vaishnavas.. prabhupada cites shankaracharya in the introduction of bhagavad gita please be informed before judging (shankaracharya's advaitist approach is only purposeful to get out from buddhism.... it is to demonstrate that belongs to bhagavata dharma the impersonalist positions in the gita do not negate krsna as absolute truth and source of brahman) you can disagree... but do not make a cheap thing of these subjects only for the purpose of joining indian nationalism Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadhav 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 you are an HK and so a hindu, so i would not waste time debting with you. we have more serioues bisiness to take care first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 12, 2004 we have more serioues bisiness to take care first. -- so take care of your businesses instead of speaking of philosophy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barney 0 Report post Posted July 12, 2004 This classification is only done by God himslef. Man's clasification is unvalid as he has weaknesses. So your classification means nothing. A Guru is taken to be the manifestation of God himself. He would be bias or say such things as rascals or mundane. To be a guru one must qualify as followes: Brahmaanandham Parama Sukhadam Kevalam Jnaana Murthim Dhvandhvaa Theetham Gagana Sadhrisham Tathvam Asyaadi Lakshyam Ekam Nithyam Vimalam Achalam Sarvadhee Saakshi Bhutham Bhavaatheetham Thriguna Rahitham Sadhgurum Tham Namaami. Meaning: This sloka tries to describe the qualities of a true Guru. A real Guru has the following qualities. He experiences the supreme Bliss of Brahmaananda (transcedental divine bliss). He enjoys and confers changeless supreme happiness. He is beyond space and time (there is nothing higher than him). He is the embodiment of wisdom which is the basis for all types of knowledge. He transcends the pair of opposites (such as happiness and sorrow, gain and loss). He is more Omnipresent than space itself. He is the very embodiment of the Divine principle, which is the inner meaning of the four great pronouncements Prajnaanam Brahma, Aham Brahmasmi, Thath Thvam Asi and Ayam Aathma Brahma. He is One without a second (ekam). He never changes under any circumstances (nithyam). He is without any type of impurity (vimalam). He is steady and motionless(achalam). He is the witness of everything. He transcends mental comprehension and verbal explanation. He is beyond the three gunas (sathva, rajas and thamas). I offer my humble salutations to such a Guru who possesses all these qualities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 12, 2004 a guru is only first class your features are all right.. but guru is not the supreme but the supreme servant of the supreme he has divine features because they're given by god to give him the power (=shakti... so he's shaktiavesha avatara) to perform his service to teach the word of god.. not that he's god the master who claims to be god is tenth class... a big cheater and rascal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites