Is Brahman neither Spiritual nor Material?

[Astra_king 0]

The philosophy of Advaita Vedanta says that Brahman is indescribable (neti neti). Bhagavad gita describes the abode of Krishna as non-dual but purely spiritual (Spiritual world/ Goloka). But by the very definition of "neti neti" shouldn't non duality be considered as neither material nor spiritual?

[razious 1]

No "neither material nor spiritual" is not the right application of neti neti or right interpretation of the non dual of Brahman. Because Brahman is Spiritual stuff. "Prakgnanam Brahma" - Consciousness (spirit) is Brahman - is the Vedic conclusion. The right application of Neti-neti (not this... not this ) is to apply this logic to all that we know and describe empirically (that is material entity that we know through our sense organs) and our conceived idea based on that empirical perception - those abstract conceived notions that is based on empirical perception. We have to reject all these as not Brahman.

 

All that we know by our sense organ and abstract objects created by thinking are to be rejected. The knower - the thinker- the perceiver - the very consciousness itself cannot be rejected.

 

Perceived things and conceived things are describable. But the perceiver the conceiver the very knower is indescribable is int it?

 

Just like the eye which sees the entire world cannot se itself, and just like a camera which take the photograph of everything in the world cannot photograph itself , the knowing self which can know every object - -concrete and abstract - cannot know itself.

The knowing self the very consciousness itself the spiritual stuff is Brahman. This is the correct understanding of Advida Vedanta

 

Regards,

Ra zious

[inertin 0]

I Would Humbly Suggest To Read At Least "Yoga Vasishta" To Get Some Idea About Extent Of Maaya As Duality, And The Uselessness of Named Gods In The Grand Design...

For your Question, Literally Translate "Lokas" or Abode May Be As Imaginative Dimensions Where You Are Trained To Strip Off Duality And Finally realize in your Mind To Be Unified With Source At Last; To Understand That You Were There All This Time...

 

And Krishna is a name may be argued to be assigned to an attributabe brahman in a dualistic imaginary representation of unattributable universal consciousness... Represented in the BG To make Third And Lower Fourth Dimensional Minds To Understand At Least The Concept Of Spirituality... For Starters... Every one is not at the same level...

Please, we may have to bear in mind that after Indian and sumerian civilizations started with forced worship of gods and goddesses, may be around 4000-3500 BC; there have been secular idea injections in all these written scriptures - originally an oral tradition; so may be it would be wise for an aspirant to take literal translations with a little bit of salt... I may say...

This is applicable for Indian ones and also Apocrypha, Old Testament, Pistis Sophia, Hypocrypha of the Archons, Nag Hammadi, Book of Enoch, And Even Qabbala To some extent...

You May Have To Pick Your Own Poison; I Think...

[hinduism♥krishna 0]

 

The philosophy of Advaita Vedanta says that Brahman is indescribable (neti neti). Bhagavad gita describes the abode of Krishna as non-dual but purely spiritual (Spiritual world/ Goloka). But by the very definition of "neti neti" shouldn't non duality be considered as neither material nor spiritual?

 

Pranams ,

It seems that you are totally unaware of Bhagavad Gita's teachings . In Bhagavad Gita , krishna never used Goloka word . Check this with Sanskrit verses .

 

In BG 8.21 , Krishna confirms that his the real abode is unmanifested . ( Nirakara )

 

" It is called the eternal Unmanifest; they speak of it as the highest goal. "  ( Bhagavad Gita 8.21 )

 

While Goloka/Vaikuntha is a manifested spiritual world having form . Vedanta declares that everything along with vaikuntha gets annihilated after the final dissolution of All spiritual and Material worlds . After total destruction , residents of vaikuntha gets united with Bramhan . They get their real nature , which is indeed Bramhan .

 

Vedanta says " Goal is Bramhan and Anatma is Bow . One should hit this bow to the target and should get united with it .

 

Vedanta uses " Neti Neti " to negate anatma ( Jiva made up of  mind , intellect and prana ) and to hit that target which is Bramhan . In short , Neti Neti logic is used to realise the self as that target-Bramhan .

 

Hari krishna hari hari