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, " kundaflame "

<kundaflame wrote:

>

> ok, didnt read all the post, not everyone is being compassionate but

> can you forgive them, can you allow them to have reactions as you have

> had your reactions, can you go beyond reactions into a state of peace?

>

> , " kundaflame "

> <kundaflame@> wrote:

> >

> > what you're not realizing is that everyone is being compassionate

> > toward you but you won't accept it.

> > craig

 

OF COURSE!

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, " ntaroiu " <lsirca

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> , " kundaflame "

> Everything is allright.

> love,nicole

 

> <kundaflame@> wrote:

> >

> > it's a sad case, to have to fight the world like this. i understand,

> > it was my heroic duty too.

>

 

Yeah, I have no worries about my future (though I am concerned). And my

psychedlic

usage is no mistake, my only mistake is not being able to use more. I don't

think people

here get it; I don't care about ANY society or its rules, I'm in this for the

long haul. I want

to expand indefinitely......

 

I don't think others are out to get me, they're just ignorant at this instance

of time.

 

 

Thanks for your input!

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Hello again, Sal,

 

You may find that there is room to grow in

the way you think things to be.

 

Many of us in this Group who have had the

Safeties as part of our practice for a year

or more have come to experience the balancing

and clearing out that occurs when we embrace and

live out forgiveness, tolerance and love. We find

it to be the beginning of the true path.

Without doing this work we stay very dense

and live completely through the ego with all

the emotional imbalances that can happen,

amplified by the k energy. Have you had time

to look the Safeties over? They help the

experience of the Kundalini to be one of

beauty and a natural unfolding. It can be a

very positive experience when the ego can be

reined in and the bodies balanced.

 

Have you had a chance to visit our website?

There is a wealth of information about the

Journey there, too, and the search engine works

quite well. BUT, dear one, if the cup

is too full, it can't receive any more. So,

if you want to learn, let there be space for it.

 

Love, dhyana

 

 

>

> I think the END of the path is tolerance, forgiveness, and love

towards others, not

> NECESSARILY the means. I've learned that acting spiritual is not the

same as BEING

> spiritual, and if you can't be spiritual, then solving any issues

that impend spirituality

> should be top priority.

>

> I never said I looked down on unawares, I just prefer to avoid their

company if they don't

> wish to expand their awareness.

>

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, " novalees " <dhyana

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>Welcome to our Group. You've made quite an entrance!

> I've read your posts about financial problems, not

> fitting in to the way things are in the workplace,

> and all the rest. It sounds like the way you're going

> about it just isn't working for you.

>

> Welcome and Love,

> dhyana

>

 

I don't care about fitting in with people at the workplace, I'd rather not

become THAT, if

you can understand me.

 

What is meant by " way I'm going " (not angry at all, just want to know)? Do you

mean in

general, or here?

 

 

I don't think there should be any negativity here; it all stemmed from my

pschedelic drug

use, and the fact is, everyone here is WRONG about them, so this issue should be

settled now. Erowid.org is the best resource for non-biased drug information. If

one hasn't

done extensive researsch on a topic, it's ridiculous for that person to believe

he/she is

more knowledgeable on said topic. That is all.

 

Thanks for your input!

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from my experience, i thought that drug usage would expand my mind and

open me up to infinite possibilities. it took me 8 years to figure out

that it was very limiting, i was actually drifting further and further

into suffering, further and further into unconsciousness, spiritually

speaking. the craving, the actual doing, all of it clouds the mind and

decreases awareness. so maybe that's the path you have to take. but

this reality that you want to escape from will never be over come

through drugs, it will not speed up progress, it will not bring you

closer to the Truth, it will in fact pull you farther away. you can

awaken through immense suffering though (but the way of the cross is

no longer the only option). until you fully accept this reality as it

is, you will be bound to it. until you fully accept people for the way

they are, you will be bound to their perceived faults. instead of

looking at the ego in another, look through it to that being's essence

which is inseparable from who you are. when you can do this, it will

be like you are looking in a mirror, you'll see your Self in another.

Craig

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, " novalees " <dhyana

wrote:

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> Hello Sal,

>

> Welcome to our Group. You've made quite an entrance!

> I've read your posts about financial problems, not

> fitting in to the way things are in the workplace,

> and all the rest. It sounds like the way you're going

> about it just isn't working for you. I know how

> frustrating that can be.

>

> The members of this Group come from so many different

> backgrounds and experiences. Its a wealth of information

> to draw on. But it seems that before that can be of

> any use to you, you may need to see that the way you

> are going may NOT be working for you. Then will you be

> able to see the value in all that may be offered to

> assist in finding what does work for you.

>

 

> If I'm assuming I apologize. Its just the picture

> your words are painting. Whatever the case, if you are

> interested in growing and balancing, you will find this

> to be a warm loving family to assist and travel with you.

>

> Welcome and Love,

> dhyana

> > , " Sal "

> > > <lonelyloredbird@> wrote:

>

> > There's still the issue of my financial situation.

> >

> > But back to drugs, you can't possibly respect my choice if you don't

> even fully understand

> > it.

>

There is always room to grow. But what I've said about psychedelics is pure

fact, if that's

what you 're getting at.

 

I already naturally do some of the safeties, but I will make a point of making

them a habit.

For ME, using LSD while meditating or yoga is infinitely more effective than all

the

safeties put together. I've already done extensive research on Kundalini, but I

will

continue looking through this website, of course.

 

What's the main thing you find wrong with me or what I've said?

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Nothing, Sal. You are accepted and loved just the way

you are.

 

Hugs.

 

, " Sal "

<lonelyloredbird wrote:

>

 

> What's the main thing you find wrong with me or what I've said?

>

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Sal,

The the vowels a, e, i, o, and u, make good mantras for balancing the

chakras so you would not have to use drugs. They are so free to say,

would not cost you anything, but a little effort and time, which you

should have plenty since you are not working. We do not support drug

use on this group, not even the legal kinds, if we can manage without

them. We try not to use drugs at all. The safeties are really great,

you could at least give them a try since you don't have the money for

drugs. I don't think anyone here is going to send you money so you can

go buy drugs. Sorry! you are in the wrong group for that.

 

Blessings,

Linda

 

, " kundaflame "

<kundaflame wrote:

>

> it's a sad case, to have to fight the world like this. i understand,

> it was my heroic duty too. but what i didnt realize was that what i

> reacted to most in another was also in me and i was making that

> perceived " error " in character of the other person into their identity

> and in so doing, cutting off the depth of their being as well as my

> own, for what you see in the outer world is a reflection of your inner

> world. when you apply a mental label to someone and believe that to be

> who they are, then you limit yourself. and let me leave you with this

> quote from eckhart tolle " words reduce reality to something the human

> mind can grasp, which isn't very much. language consists of five basic

> sounds produced by the vocal cords. they are the vowels a, e, i, o, u.

> the other sounds are consonants produced by air pressure: s, f, g, and

> so forth. do you believe some combination of such basic sounds could

> ever explain who you are, or the ultimate purpose of the universe, or

> even what a tree or stone is in its depth? "

>

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Seems to me that you just need to slow down some , no need in storming

the gates . Choices are a crucial part of this lifetime and they can

lead to many different experiences . Good or bad choice is irrelevant

when only the experience and what you learn from it concerns your growth .

 

You have a choice to learn tolerance of others in order to hold a job

and support yourself . You also have the choice to not and rely on

others to sustain you if that is the case . Kundalini is the shining

path to our true self(ve's) . Realization is part of that path . Our

perception of this realization and the choices we make will have an

affect in many ways .

 

To one man who has it all and then realizes that he can no longer live

that way . He might then become poor and curse kundalini . The man

living on the street that welcomes death and instead is gifted with a

realization may have a new perception on life and embrace every moment .

 

Make your choices in life . No one can give you all the answers that

you might want to hear . Life is an experience we must learn from

everyday .

 

 

 

PS : " I have years of research and some experience on psychedelics, so

I know the facts "

 

This spoke volumes to me when i read your post . You put so much time

and effort into this research . Maybe we are not the only ones you are

trying to convince that the use of drugs is helpful ?

 

 

blessings

Chris_H

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Hi Sal my name is Gabriel.

 

I post on occasion here and usually come from a more science based

background (don't let that bias you please :P). The topic of drugs

and kundalini is most definitely a sensitive one, and if you look at

the world statistically it is sensitive for good reason! Some people

are simply not able to take psychadelics, and some are in a

psychologically dangerous position where psychs can seriously damage them.

 

I've talked with Chris about this before and I believe the point he is

trying to make is that psychadelics can be dangerous. However, you

add kundalini energy on top and they turn into a possible nuclear

bomb!! Since mushrooms and l.s.d have a very real chemical effect on

the body, if things go bad then they STAY bad for the 4 - 10 hours of

your trip. Many people have a hard time dealing with kundalini energy

on various occasions (search " shadow " in the message archive for posts

about people's experiences with their shadow selves) and it does sound

like you are having some problems; though you have not given anyone

more information.

 

Even if psychs have helped you so far, there is a possibility on EACH

trip that they can hurt you. Also, nearly every spiritual tradition

has been influenced by drugs at some time and place but they also came

to realize that drugs ultimately can not get a person to their highest

state. That comes from within. Because of these facts Chris is

compelled to advise against drug usage ESPECIALLY when mixed with the

inner fire.

 

True progress is achieved through hard work and effort. That is

simply part of being human I guess :\ If you are having physical

tension problems, then do the 5 tibetans every day 21 reps each. I

don't know if you have a daily routine, but that is the key to KEEPING

stress out of the body.

 

The permanent changes you speak of are not actually permanent (if you

mean physical stress/tension leaving you). They might last a week or

a few months, perhaps 6 months. But slowly and surely they will

return unless you have modified your daily habits. I have shoulder

tension from using a computer too much. I can relieve that tension,

but in one day of heavy use it can come roaring back. Perhaps you

have relieved some really deep tension, but unless you deal with your

physical posture, and perhaps emotional issues, such tension will return.

 

I have tried psychadelics myself. They are interesting, but for me

they just showed me some aspects of the world I was unsure of before;

along with a few embarrassing moments of miscommunication due to the

trip... The real permanent changes are simply changes in

consciousness, a new way of perceiving what is around you. Drugs are

not needed for this, and due to their nature they can create a deeper

impression on your mind than is necessary or beneficial. So meditate

without them and let the true gems be your guide instead of whatever

comes your way during a trip. It may feel slower, but ultimately its

more lasting and meaningful.

 

Blessings and safe travels,

 

Gabriel

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Hi Sal,

I just wanted to welcome you to our group. Hopefully, you will find what you need here, and resonate with one or more of us. I am sending you light and love on your journey. May you find peace and the employment you seek. I live in Austin, Tx where long hair, tattoos, and alternative appearance have no effect on your employment opportunity. It took me a long time to find the place where I am in comfortable in life, not just with my geography. Religion, alcohol, sex, and other forms of ease and comfort never did what yoga and kundalini have done for me. People have always let me down, as I have let them down. There has been nothing sustainable in my life until I began this practice. It seems to work for me, where all else has failed. I smoked one joiXt in my life, that is my drug experience; so I have no advice to offer you there, except I have seen what it has done to some people from

a legal, physical, and emotional sense. I work in an area of town where I get the opportunity to see the ravages of drugs on people who lose their very souls to certain substances. I call them the "walking dead". I choose life today. My friends here have not surprised me with their many posts of love, experience, and advice for you. After all, the old saying, "Be careful what you ask for, you may surely get it" comes to mind. Hopefully, you are getting the caring natures of the people here. I hope you come to question, but that you stay to learn. I learn everyday from these people of infinite knowledge. I look forward during the day to what is on the minds and agenda of this group.

 

May you find peace in your heart.................may the awakening of kundalini bring you closer to the Divine who lives in you, dear Sal.

 

Namaste,

Julie (pollyanna)

Julie--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Sal <lonelyloredbird wrote:

Sal <lonelyloredbird Re: Overwhelming - Sal Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 7:07 PM

 

 

Thou shalt not bear false witness!But seriously, this is an open and honest forum, so please be understanding when I tell you that some of the things you said really pissed me off. Now, that doesn't mean I don't appreciate you or your advice(s), it's simply how I feel, it is merely the TRUTH. All that being said, don't be offensed by or take personally what I say."I will suggest that you stop using psychedelics! "Why would you suggest such a thing, and who are you to suggest it? Core of my problems and issues? LOL, you don't know anything about me or my body, and our problems/issues! Yes, Kundalini and RECREATIONAL drug use don't mix well, and that's why I prefer the meditative use of drugs over the recreational. Learn more about psychs before you utter such notions. (By the way, I am mostly into entheogenic drugs like LSD, mushrooms, and mescaline, not stuff like speed, cocaine, or heroin). I

don't have the resources to indulge; I've hardly done enough psychs to acheive a lasting positive change, let alone a negative. I've got NO $$$!"Kundalini "by itself" will not cause you to not be able to work"I know this, but the thing is, I can't hire myself! I can't stand the insane fakeness of the professional world, I literally absolutely CANNOT tolerate the madness. Employers likely sense this of me, so they don't hire me. Plus, I have long hair that, for spiritual reasons, I refuse to cut, and they drug test. I don't want to surround myself with a bunch of sober, short haired inscure people, that isn't my type of person AT ALL. I can't stand that particular vibe, you know? I just want to live off odd-jobs until I graduate from massage therapy school, which I have yet to attend.I dont us psychedelics merely for entertainment purposes, how dare you daw that conclusion on me. My "chemical

entertainments" are very few (in dose and frequency), and are NOT for "having fun", and I already do experience love and joy, so I find what you said extremely insulting and ignorant.Whenever I do get the chance to use psychs, it balances me out and fixes my energies, and the change is permenant; it's a catalyst for "spiritual progression" , as opposed to just fasting, yoga, and meditation, and boring old time. Of course, there are those who can't handle the speedy progression, and to those the advice you gave me may be suitable. Still there are others who just plain don't react well with psychs, for whatever reason. Don't assume that I'm either, or anybody; just don't assume things of me, so far, you've assumed ALOT of things that are plain false, like that I don't or haven't realized that I am responsible for my life.I'm sorry, but the thing that pissed me off the most is that you're telling me that

I feel a NEED to use psychedelics for inner peace and yoga, etc. Again, psychs are a catalyst, I use them like medicine, and the only reason I would "need" them is to speed through and out of this painful, stiff body in as timely a manner as possible. If you burn your arm, wouldn't you want ice right away? Yep!Again, I don't mean to sound like an egotistical jerk, I'm merely expressing how I feel, uncensored, and I hope to receive a similar minded response.Blessings,Sal

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Sal:You're in the right place. There are no mistakes in the universe that you are here and one of us. The other night I couldn't relate to a racist e-mail directed at an older participitant at a political campaign. I said to myself that my friend should know me better than to send me that. My wife was watching Ukrainian thug politicians asking for a new election at the expense of a poor public. I couldn't relate to that at all. I went for a meditative walk hoping that I wouldn't have to talk to anyone. During the walk I wondered how in the world I got to retirement since I had trouble relating to most people, especially supervisors, on a daily basis even in my last years of work. I felt alienated and then I remembered the glorious people of this site and how they pray for each other and even animals. Since I joined I felt like an integral part of the

site and the advanced spirituality of the members always echoes in my mind even when I'm away. There are miracles in the universe. I feel that you are one of them. I feel that you are an advanced human going higher up the evolutionary scale because of kundalini. I don't presently have long hair and a long beard because I only have hair on the sides of my head and it boozoes out if I let it grow. You remind me of myself. I like your spirit. I wish that I found this site at your age. I just found it a few months ago. Hang in there and have a good time and enjoy journey and relax at where you are in life. Oh yea, I did a ton of psychodelics and everything for more years that you are old so I know a little of that side of your journey. Love,Jake--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Sal <lonelyloredbird wrote:Sal <lonelyloredbird Re: Overwhelming - Sal

 

 

 

You, as anyone else, SHOULD be sympathetic to my situation, and my 

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I do agree that acting spiritual does not make one spiritual.

I respectfully disagree about love/forgivenss being the end of the path. I don't believe that you can reach the places you want to go without tolerance, forgiveness and love. They don't follow, they lead to.

Sarita

, "Sal" <lonelyloredbird wrote:>> , "Sarita" sarita1969@> wrote:> >> >> > Part of this path is tolerance, forgiveness and love towards others.> > Thanks for your post, I definitely felt the love!> > > I think the END of the path is tolerance, forgiveness, and love towards others, not> NECESSARILY the means. I've learned that acting spiritual is not the same as BEING> spiritual, and if you can't be spiritual, then solving any issues that impend spirituality> should be top priority.> > I never said I looked down on unawares, I just prefer to avoid their company if they don't> wish to expand their awareness.>

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It is through love, forgiveness and understanding that we heal ourselves to become more spiritual... (If there in actuality is such a thing, as we are all spiritual beings, we can never be anything but spirit) Its more a case of acting from the places of love within in everyday situations rather then the ego place of fear and seperation.Each side is valid and needed to make the whole within our learning, but to progress upwards one must fully intergrate the two in to compassionate love, only through constant forgiveness is this reachable. In this moment and every moment.Lots of love and radiant blessings, wish you luck for the job/money etc, it will work its way out :-)elektra x x xthen solving any issues that

impend spirituality> should be top priority.

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At 01:08 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:

We do not support drug use on

this group, not even the legal kinds,

if we can manage without them. We try not to use drugs at all.

 

I don't believe in using drugs for spiritual growth but I don't believe

in prohibition either. Sal ... it's not about moral judgement for most of

these folks here. It's about safety. Both in terms of what these

substances do to the user physically, but safety from the mind police at

and out in the world at large.

Brandi

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, " Sarita " <sarita1969

wrote:I do agree that acting spiritual does not make one spiritual.

>

> I respectfully disagree about love/forgivenss being the end of the path.

> I don't believe that you can reach the places you want to go without

> tolerance, forgiveness and love. They don't follow, they lead to.

>

> Sarita

>

>

> , " Sal "

> <lonelyloredbird@> wrote:

>

No, I think you're right that you won't go far without being compassionate

towards others.

But what I said is that kindness etc. in not NECESSARILY the means but it is

definitely

the end, meaning that being unkind or angry every once in a while does not

automatcally

make one unspiritual. Even Jesus snapped at people.

 

- Sal

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, Julie <jewelport

wrote:

>

> Hi Sal,

> I just wanted to welcome you to our group. 

> --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Sal <lonelyloredbird wrote:

>

 

Thank you for your post!

 

I think you'll be happy to know that I've already found a few folks here who

resonate with

me here on the phenomenon of drugs.

 

I was thinkng of moving to El Paso after winter, do you think having long hair

over there

will affect my chances of employment (I don't have tatoos, piercings, or

anything else

unnatural on my body)?

 

I like to use psychedelics, not drugs like c@caine, her@in, or m & th. I've done

my share of

c & ke and her & in (smoking, never done it intraveously), and never was there a

need for

me to be concerned about becoming addicted; I just have a stronger mind than

most.

People becoming zombies isn't merely the result of the drugs, and amost always

happens

to people who were already on a downward spiral. It's not nearly the drugs as

much as it

is the internal process of the individual.

 

Thanks again for your posts!

- Sal

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Couldn't tell you about El Paso, only been there once with a bunch of dentists. (now there is a short-haired crew). Congratulations on your control of the usage of mind-altering substances. Others have not been so lucky. May all your spirals be upward!!!!

 

Namaste

Julie--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Sal <lonelyloredbird wrote:

Sal <lonelyloredbird Re: Overwhelming - Sal Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 8:59 PM

 

 

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , Julie <jewelport@. ..> wrote:>> Hi Sal,> I just wanted to welcome you to our group. > --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Sal

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Sal,

 

this will be blunt. but as a genuine truth-seeker I am sure you

appreciate that.

 

sounds like you have a lot of resentment and anger towards society.

psychedelics won't help you. what will help you is looking at yourself

completely honestly and openly. maybe seeing a therapist or meeting a

good spiritual teacher and actually trusting what they say. you have a

huge ego and its hanging out your pocket. it also sounds like you're

using spirituality as a means to escape reality.

 

oh and kundalini didn't force you to drop out of school and leave your

parents. you did that. the only person to blame here is you. you are

the reason you are an unenlightened bum mooching off peoples welfare

as you selfishly cling to this notion of " enlightenment " which is

really just escapism. so you are the problem, why keep trusting

yourself? why keep defending your habitual selfish thoughts and desires?

 

find a teacher my friend, learn to trust. and give up. i'm young too

so I know how hard it can be to get over the stubborn know-it-all

tendency we have, but really you gotta accept it. you're the problem

and you don't know anything.

 

with love

 

mikael

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Hello Sal... many people have a reaction to drugs. I certainly have

had, as my father died a heroin addict when I was 18. He was a

musician and started out with mild drugs to keep him awake, etc, and

then he went on to harder drugs etc. I have a son and I told him that

we make choices and have to live with them. I hear you Sal, and know

that you are trying. I am sure that you can reach your goal of

coming off drugs.

CV

 

 

 

 

, " Sal "

<lonelyloredbird wrote:

>

> , " kundaflame "

> <kundaflame@> wrote:

> >

> > what you're not realizing is that everyone is being compassionate

> > toward you but you won't accept it. you feel as though you are

being

> > attacked, but you're not, the ego's in survival mode. the body

cannot

> > tell the difference between and actual event and your thoughts,

hence

> > your thoughts about how you are always being attacked because of

the

> > way you are (and other attack thoughts upon yourself) makes your

body

> > contract and cause a build up of tension. can you become aware of

your

> > reaction and separate it from what's happening in the " outer "

world?

> > can you be there as the witness to both levels, inner and outer?

if

> > you can you will have stepped out of thousands of years of human

> > conditioning, this is a step toward freedom. just try it, feel the

> > emotion fully, allow the thoughts to be there but be interested

in how

> > the emotion feels in the body. accept that it's there, don't

judge or

> > interpret, just allow. see what happens after that.

> > craig

> >

>

>

> I know everyone is being compassionate. But don't you understand

that I want to better

> myself, and through others' feedback of my true expressions, that

can be done. I don't

> want to suppress ANYTHING, and I am grateful to have other Kundi's

to discuss with and

> who will (hopefully) tolerate any negativities.

>

> I already know I am in that situation you described, but what am I

to do? I have years of

> research and some experience on psychedelics, so I know the facts,

as do millions of

> others. But, so far, ignorance about psychs seems somewhat rampant

here (to my

> surprise), so how am I to react? That's one big problem I have, I

am clueless when it

> comes to confronting ignorance.

>

> I've been the witness for quite a while in both worlds, and am

currently working on

> coordinating the two, which is difficult with the tensions.

>

> Craig, you've been by favorite poster so far, thanks so much for

your input.

>

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Why do you want to speed up the process, Sal?

Everything has its time and hurrying is not necessarily the way.

CV

 

 

 

 

, " Sal "

<lonelyloredbird wrote:

>

> , " ntaroiu "

<lsirca@> wrote:

> >

> > , " kundaflame "

> > Everything is allright.

> > love,nicole

>

> > <kundaflame@> wrote:

> > >

> > > it's a sad case, to have to fight the world like this. i

understand,

> > > it was my heroic duty too.

> >

>

> Yeah, I have no worries about my future (though I am concerned).

And my psychedlic

> usage is no mistake, my only mistake is not being able to use more.

I don't think people

> here get it; I don't care about ANY society or its rules, I'm in

this for the long haul. I want

> to expand indefinitely......

>

> I don't think others are out to get me, they're just ignorant at

this instance of time.

>

>

> Thanks for your input!

>

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The drug path is no good. Having seen my father die of it. I think

that drugs is cheating. Why not just go down the path in full

consciousness of who you are, and face things? So what if it takes a

bit longer. Thats ok. You can stop and smell the flowers.

CV

 

 

 

 

 

, Brandi Jasmine

<jazztalk wrote:

>

> At 01:08 AM 10/30/2008, you wrote:

> >We do not support drug use on this group, not even the legal

kinds,

> >if we can manage without them. We try not to use drugs at all.

>

> I don't believe in using drugs for spiritual growth but I don't

believe in prohibition either. Sal ... it's not about moral judgement

for most of these folks here. It's about safety. Both in terms of

what these substances do to the user physically, but safety from the

mind police at and out in the world at large.

>

> Brandi

>

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